2006 VW Passat problem- Fuel injector 2nd failure in 10 months

macken04

Hi all,

My dad has a 2006 VW passat 2.0 TDi estate. Last december one of the fuel injectors failed and had to be replaced. This was handled by park motors and took over a month due to some horrendous service between themselves and VW.

Now the other day the fuel injector went again the exact same problem. The car just died on the m50, now warning nothing. As the service was so poor lastime and the price was so high my dad took the car to another garage he was recommended to by a friend, who said he cant tell if it was the new injector which failed. I however told his that he should take it straight back to the dealer and demand some action be taken.

Some info about the car

EST 80,000 KM
Mainly driven 20k round trip to work mon - sat
No accidents
Always serviced within 1,000km of warning
No other problems

Any help with this issue would be great as i think this may be a underlying issue with this model as the VW forum shows many also complaining about a similar issue. Luckily in Ireland we have decent consumer laws which may be able to force VW to do something if one could prove the car was not fit for its advertised purpose of a reasonable amount of time

R.O.R

macken04 wrote: »

Hi all,

My dad has a 2006 VW passat 2.0 TDi estate. Last december one of the fuel injectors failed and had to be replaced. This was handled by park motors and took over a month due to some horrendous service between themselves and VW.

Now the other day the fuel injector went again the exact same problem. The car just died on the m50, now warning nothing. As the service was so poor lastime and the price was so high my dad took the car to another garage he was recommended to by a friend, who said he cant tell if it was the new injector which failed. I however told his that he should take it straight back to the dealer and demand some action be taken.

Some info about the car

EST 80,000 KM
Mainly driven 20k round trip to work mon - sat
No accidents
Always serviced within 1,000km of warning
No other problems

Any help with this issue would be great as i think this may be a underlying issue with this model as the VW forum shows many also complaining about a similar issue. Luckily in Ireland we have decent consumer laws which may be able to force VW to do something if one could prove the car was not fit for its advertised purpose of a reasonable amount of time

Good luck getting blood from stone that is VWGI.

We have 100's of Passat's on fleet, and VW give us no goodwill at all on replacing injectors.

I wouldn't bother taking it back to a main dealer as they'll charge you to diagnose it. Take it straight to your friendly indy mechanic and get them to do it as reasonably as possible.

Our indy did injector no2 on one recently for around €700 + VAT.

macken04

thanks for the reply. My dads issue is that he payed to have the it replaced 10 months ago and its gone again. Surly these parts should last longer then 4 years the car was brand new when purchased.

From my reading a lot of people seem to e having related problems with the 2006 tdi model

kildare.17hmr

If your in dublin ring AD Dublin, their off the naas road and they will tell you what injector is giving the trouble in 2 mins. they can also repair the problem or replace parts if needed. all you will do complaining about this to the dealer is give yourself a headach, its been too long since it was with them and it may not even be the same injector!

mickdw

If they are not giving huge fleet customers any goodwill, Id say its a lost cause. Having said that, they should get plenty abuse over each & every one of these failures. Those early cars of that model really are terrible.

EPM

If it is the same injector surely there is a warranty on the replacement? I reckon you might have a case with a replacement part if it is under 12 months. I dont know about the labour side of things though.

Moanin

I believe the loom could be the culpret in alot of the cases.Get it replaced first of all and if no success get the injector replaced?

macken04

thanks all
its booked into local garage and he said its defo the injector. A few things are going to be done. If its the same part we will take our case to VW under warranty. If its a different one we are going to look into the quality of the parts and see if there may be a known issue as many people have a similar problem. My dad is also going to look into the diesel being used to see if poor quality diesel could be causing an issue

ktp

looks like I am in the same boat.. my 2.0L diesel 2007 B6 passat sat down on roadside the other day.. was removed to VW dealer and have said I have to replace the injector (and wire loom).

I gather from previous posts that no-one out there has got any satisfaction from VW Ireland??? or even some contribution.. the repairs are serious money.

any comments welcome..

galwaytt

Moanin wrote: »

I believe the loom could be the culpret in alot of the cases.Get it replaced first of all and if no success get the injector replaced?

ktp wrote: »

looks like I am in the same boat.. my 2.0L diesel 2007 B6 passat sat down on roadside the other day.. was removed to VW dealer and have said I have to replace the injector (and wire loom).

I gather from previous posts that no-one out there has got any satisfaction from VW Ireland??? or even some contribution.. the repairs are serious money.

any comments welcome..

Add me to the list as well. 06 B6 Passat 2.0Tdi. 2 injectors, and 2 looms, in........3 month's ? €800 each time........:mad:

Only a matter of time before it does it again. Will not be replaced by another VW, I assure you.......

I was told by garage that the loom is a sacrificial part, but not sure how true that is..........

Darsad

OP if it is the same OE injector that has failed then it would be covered under the manufacturers warranty as they are legally obliged under block exemption to provide a minimum of 12 months warranty on parts supplied and fitted at a dealership.
However if it is the same injector and the fault has been caused by bad fuel then it would not be covered. Either way I would have thought that the only way for you to have any come back would have been to let the opriginal repairing dealer diagnose the fault at least then you could have decided to bring it to an indy repairer if it was not covered.

Tea 1000

macken04 wrote: »

thanks for the reply. My dads issue is that he payed to have the it replaced 10 months ago and its gone again. Surly these parts should last longer then 4 years the car was brand new when purchased.

From my reading a lot of people seem to e having related problems with the 2006 tdi model

Yep, the joys of modern diesels. They're pressed to within an inch of their lives for low CO2 and high bhp.
Our diesel in this country is part of the problem. Some makes will be worse than others, but there's no such thing as a reliable diesel anymore. Petrol's for the win! (until twin-charging and other such low cc high bhp moves cripple those too).

BigEejit

Yikes, VW have really gone to the dogs.

The list of really expensive parts that break on these cars is crazy.

DMF
DPF?
Injectors + looms

Any other expensive parts that go on relatively new VW's?




Surely total cost of ownership up to 100k km's on these diesels must be way higher than the petrol versions (unless you have a good one)

sentient_6

Off topic kinda.......so what is the usual lifespan of diesel injectors & do they have any sort of service interval to be checked/cleaned etc?

silver campaign

Two points,

As somebody allready mentioned. If it is the same injector that has failed and you allready paid for one to be replaced ten months ago, it will be covered under warranty.
If your new mechanic can't tell if it is the replaced injector that has failed again, its probably best to bring it to someone else that can determine this for you.
If it is another injector that is the original from new, then thats just bad luck, there are two more there that could also fail over time.

Either way, its best to bring into any VW dealer to determine which injector is gone. You have no hope of getting warranty any other way.

flanzer

I always get worried with all this talk of problems in the TDi. I've a new model '05 1.9 one and that I bought in '08 and barring a DMF failure under warranty, she's perfect for me!

I'd did test drive a 2.0 Tdi one at the time I was buying her, that was a highline model with leather, but the price was a bit out of reach for me. I subsequently heard that the injector failed on it twice and in the end, the garage had to take it back.

Is the problem only with the 2.0 Tdi?

-Corkie-

galwaytt wrote: »

Add me to the list as well. 06 B6 Passat 2.0Tdi. 2 injectors, and 2 looms, in........3 month's ? €800 each time........:mad:

Only a matter of time before it does it again. Will not be replaced by another VW, I assure you.......

I was told by garage that the loom is a sacrificial part, but not sure how true that is..........

God your really having car trouble. First with the Mazda. Is there any way of preventing injector failure such as replacing the fuel filter more frequently..

OldmanMondeo

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

If your in dublin ring AD Dublin, their off the naas road and they will tell you what injector is giving the trouble in 2 mins. they can also repair the problem or replace parts if needed. all you will do complaining about this to the dealer is give yourself a headach, its been too long since it was with them and it may not even be the same injector!

Or if you know which injector is gone, snd it to them and they can fix / recondition it and sent it back, 01-4260552

_Kaiser_

You guys really aren't making me feel better here!

I've a 06 2.0 TDI Passat with the DSG box and 137000 km on the clock. Haven't had any major issues - so far! - with it, although the DMF is gradually on the way out (there's a rattle coming from that area when the car is idling) and I've been quoted 1000 STERLING to fix it

galwaytt

-Corkie- wrote: »

God your really having car trouble. First with the Mazda. Is there any way of preventing injector failure such as replacing the fuel filter more frequently..

I don't think so, and a fleet manager I know, who has looked into his fleet, comprised of Renault, Mondeo, Mazda etc finds that troubles are across the board. Interestingly, he sees more trouble on diesel cars used within striking distance of NI. Make of that what you will.

Passat is co car, so no skin off my nose - my private car is a Saab 9-3 diesel which has, thus far, beaten everthing else..........

But, given my own money, I'd be back to petrol, and I like the idea of a Lexus GS in the future.

JJJJNR

I've 178,000km on my 05 2.0Tdi (BKD) and have suffered from nothing more than non starter one morning totally random about 4 months ago after an indy done an oil change. Just as a matter of interest are these cars remapped?

dub7_2010

You should return to the dealer for a diagnostic to confirm which injector has failed. You have 2 years warranty on the injector that was replaced if it has failed. Looms are replaced with each injector as recommended by VW.

You say he had to wait 1 month for the repair to be completed.....why?
Was that 1 month from the moment he gave authorization?
Also the car is a 2006 model and well outside warranty. Was it serviced at a main dealer?
Is it an import?
How much did the repair cost and did he get any goodwill?

anthony4335

Makes me feel a little better that I bought a petrol 2.5 legacy this year and turned up the chance at a diesel audi. Had a diesel Mondeo a couple of years ago, TDDI engine, had it for 3 years when the fuel lift pump went, cost just shy of a grand to fix after everything was added up, since then have had petrols with no problems. But in saying that most of my friends have diesels and have yet to encounter issues.

ktp

sentient_6 wrote: »

Off topic kinda.......so what is the usual lifespan of diesel injectors & do they have any sort of service interval to be checked/cleaned etc?

I had a 98 passat 110 bhp and it has gone to 250k MILES without problem on the injectors

after I sold on the 98 passat I had a year 2000 90bhp passat .. that is now heading for 200,000 miles ... again no injector problems... there can be no explanation for it other than the injectors being a deficient component... i.e. they are prematurely failing...it is clearly a weak point and very costly one for the owner unless VW help out with the costs.






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ktp

BigEejit wrote: »

Yikes, VW have really gone to the dogs.

The list of really expensive parts that break on these cars is crazy.

DMF
DPF?
Injectors + looms

Any other expensive parts that go on relatively new VW's?


YES... you can add the steering column unit that goes.. it is causing problems in mine.. typical symptoms are having to insert/reinsert the key fob several times to get the car started. It happens intermittently ... could be 5 times in a day or 1 time in a week. It has often taken me 5+minutes to get the car going. It just started happening earlier in the year and has been there since. The repair costs have come down a lot as one time the whole column unit had to be replaced but now just a single component.. but can still cost 300-500 Euro I believe.

I agree with the other posts... there are new costs to owning and repairing diesels that were not there 10 years ago and they are crippling..

ktp

galwaytt wrote: »

Add me to the list as well. 06 B6 Passat 2.0Tdi. 2 injectors, and 2 looms, in........3 month's ? €800 each time........:mad:

Only a matter of time before it does it again. Will not be replaced by another VW, I assure you.......

I was told by garage that the loom is a sacrificial part, but not sure how true that is..........

did you have any joy wity your dealer or VW ireland helping out with the costs???

seems mad that VW would gain from us poor sods having to pay out big money to replace faulty components.

:mad:

dub7_2010

ktp wrote: »

BigEejit wrote: »

Yikes, VW have really gone to the dogs.

The list of really expensive parts that break on these cars is crazy.

DMF
DPF?
Injectors + looms

Any other expensive parts that go on relatively new VW's?


YES... you can add the steering column unit that goes.. it is causing problems in mine.. typical symptoms are having to insert/reinsert the key fob several times to get the car started. It happens intermittently ... could be 5 times in a day or 1 time in a week. It has often taken me 5+minutes to get the car going. It just started happening earlier in the year and has been there since. The repair costs have come down a lot as one time the whole column unit had to be replaced but now just a single component.. but can still cost 300-500 Euro I believe.

I agree with the other posts... there are new costs to owning and repairing diesels that were not there 10 years ago and they are crippling..

DMF and injector are a known issues . DPF's dont give any problem apart from the pressure sensor. Most faults with DPF's are because are due to customers not reading the owners manual regarding the regeneration process.

Steering locks are now being replaced without the need for the complete upper column. You can now expect to pay between 50 and 100% labour cost only (150-300 euros)

As some users may be aware failure of Injectors (unrepairable) in VAG PD170 diesel engines is more than common.. from looking at some UK forums it appears that Audi garages in the UK are replacing injectors in peoples cars that have suffered failure regardless of warranty and independent servicing. Anyone heard of any similar cases here in Ireland?

-Corkie-

Not yet did you email Vosa about it???

who are vosa?

YouTookMyName

Deleted User wrote: »

who are vosa?

Vehicle and Operator Services Agency

-Corkie-

Deleted User wrote: »

who are vosa?

They look after all the recalls for every manufacturer. If you think you have a problem that merits a recall send them the details, I send them all mine as I have that engine. I seen a good thread about it on vagdrivers.net.

they appear to be a UK government body, i would assume they would have no jurisdiction here in the Republic?

What kind of responses have you had Corkie?

-Corkie-

Deleted User wrote: »

they appear to be a UK government body, i would assume they would have no jurisdiction here in the Republic?

What kind of responses have you had Corkie?

They would have a certain amount of control because they are a german built car used all over the UK etc etc. They said they will come back to me on it.

It is a very serious fault which could leave you in the overtaking lane of a Motorway doing 120KPH with a stalled engine. Send them all your details.

will do, thanks for the info.

thats exactly what happened me today, car just died on the dual carriageway, the last time one failed the car just wouldnt start after work one day so no biggy, different story when the car loses all power on the road... i did speak briefly with someone from Audi Ireland today who was less than helpful but i will not let this rest

-Corkie-

Its fairly scary allright. Mine failed in the middle of Limerick city at rush hour and I had fools blowing horns an all sorts.

Dont let it lie as its a common problem with the Siemens injector. There is good info over on www.vagdrivers.net on it.

JoeA3

Yeah, have a look over on VagDrivers, there's a long thread on there about it.

A lad I know has had it happen to his 07 Audi A4. First one went in January and it cost him a grand to get it sorted! 2 more went about a month ago and this time Audi coughed up the parts cost.

just having a gander there now thanks

last time one went i got one from a place in the UK a lot cheaper than what my local Audi wanted.. still cost me €360 plus the bolts and fitting

cadaliac

Yet more evidence about the high running costs associated with a modern diesel.
It really is staggering.
Best of luck OP.
A friend of mine had them replaced on his A6 (07) but afaik, it was the 140 engine. Still....

-Corkie-

cadaliac wrote: »

Yet more evidence about the high running costs associated with a modern diesel.
It really is staggering.
Best of luck OP.
A friend of mine had them replaced on his A6 (07) but afaik, it was the 140 engine. Still....

Same Injector Cadillac. The only thing is some of the 140BHP engines used the Bosch injector which has no issues and the rest had the Siemens which were the problem. The newer CR engines dont have these problems at all.

Here is the link to contact them about it. The more people that contact them the better.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/default.asp

El Guapo!

Which cars does this affect?

I've had the same 07 Golf gt tdi in 3 times in the last 2 months (back under our warranty) and I've had to replace 3 injectors, the injector loom, and a set of glow-plugs. I also replaced the dmf last week too. The car just hates me!

My boss had to foot the bill under warranty of course and I know there's no chance of getting anything back from VW, but it'd be just interesting to know if this engine is one of the dodgy ones. Because I just know I haven't seen the last of this car.

-Corkie-

Dean09 wrote: »

Which cars does this affect?

I've had the same 07 Golf gt tdi in 3 times in the last 2 months (back under our warranty) and I've had to replace 3 injectors, the injector loom, and a set of glow-plugs. I also replaced the dmf last week too. The car just hates me!

My boss had to foot the bill under warranty of course and I know there's no chance of getting anything back from VW, but it'd be just interesting to know if this engine is one of the dodgy ones. Because I just know I haven't seen the last of this car.

I would imagine so. Some mechanics say the biggest culprit is the wiring loom as that shorts the Injector.. Its a fair joke the price VW charge for the injector especially when you just throw the old one in the bin..:mad:

El Guapo!

-Corkie- wrote: »

I would imagine so. Some mechanics say the biggest culprit is the wiring loom as that shorts the Injector.. Its a fair joke the price VW charge for the injector especially when you just throw the old one in the bin..:mad:

Yeah it really is a joke. As I said all the work was covered by my boss under warranty but I'd hate to be some poor person just out of warranty when all this starts acting up.

The car I'm talking about has also had a new instrument cluster fitted due to a faulty immobiliser and also both low and high pressure fuel pumps were replaced too.
VAG are really gone downhill imo.

-Corkie-

Its fairly pathetic allright.

_Kaiser_

Dean09 wrote: »

Which cars does this affect?

Common problem (though so far unacknowledged here as a known issue) with the 05-08 2.0 TDI 140 Bhp model Passat too so if your Golf is using the same engine as this then you may have a case.

Corkie: I didn't know some of these cars used Bosch injectors instead - any way to tell which is fitted as I live in fear of my own 2.0 Passat failing like this... but with 176k km done at mostly motorway speeds it seems to be holding up well so far anyway.

-Corkie-

Theres no way of knowing unfortunatley what injector is used.

mickdw

Surely its on the parts system which is fitted when referenced against chassis?

crosshair1

As above
The engine code (or vin) will determine which injector type is fitted

JJJJNR

What engine codes are we talking about presume BKP?

cadaliac

cadaliac wrote: »

Yet more evidence about the high running costs associated with a modern diesel.
It really is staggering.
Best of luck OP.
A friend of mine had them replaced on his A6 (07) but afaik, it was the 140 engine. Still....

i hear ya, between injectors, DMF, DPF & VNT turbo issues i have had my fill.. back to 6 cylinder petrol for me!

i have had 10 year old + sh!tboxes that cost me €1,000 that never gave this kind of trouble..

MAJJ

This is a known issue and known to me as my dads 07 2.0TDI Passaat has had two injectors go on him, one went on a motorway and left him stranded at a w/e.

As others have said there is lot on UK forums and VOSA were to do a report as it's common to Skoda,Audi and VW shared engines.

VW paid 70% of the cost as "goodwill gesture" and my dad the 30% I was about to go chase VW myself to get the remaining injectors done but he has sold on the car.