Gardai, Government, Privately owned Corporations. Enslavement

TalkieWalkie

Ok, well I'm still trying to get my head around this information, it's a lot to take in along with the significance of it.
It turns out that the Irish Government and the Gardai Siochana and all other Irish institutions are privately owned corporations who trade for profit on the stock exchange.
There is a website called Dun & Bradstreet which contains information on 151 million companies worldwide, search for yourself and you will come up with the same results as I did.





Here are some direct links to other privately owned institutions of Ireland..

HOUSES OF THE OIREACHTAS
https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductSelection?dunsNumber=4&busName=HOUSES%20OF%20THE%20OIREACHTAS&storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&productId=0&address=Leinster%20House&city=Dublin&state=&zip=2&country=IE

Department of Defense
https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/IballValidationCmd?searchType=NSF&state=&storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&productId=0&manPartNumber=0&fromView=&hiddenSessionId=-1083933202&searchPerform=true&busName=department+of+defense&address=&city=&zipCode=&country=IE#goTop

Department of Finance
https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductSelection?dunsNumber=1&busName=DEPARTMENT%20OF%20FINANCE%20OF%20THE%20REPUBLIC%20OF%20IRELAND&storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&productId=0&address=Government%20Buildings%20Upper%20Merrion%20Str&city=Dublin&state=&zip=&country=IE
TAOSAICH
https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductSelection?dunsNumber=1&busName=DEPARTMENT%20OF%20THE%20TAOISEACH&storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&productId=0&address=Government%20Buildings&city=Dublin&state=&zip=2&country=IE

FIANNA FAIL
https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductSelection?dunsNumber=1&busName=FIANNA%20FAIL&storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&productId=0&address=13%20Mount%20St%20Upr&city=Dublin&state=&zip=2&country=IE
Courts
https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/IballValidationCmd?searchType=NSF&state=&storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&productId=0&manPartNumber=0&fromView=&hiddenSessionId=1344028136&searchPerform=true&busName=circut+court&address=&city=&zipCode=&country=IE#goTop


So, what is the significance of this information ?

Like with any corporation, you are not obligated to do business with them, as a sovereign human being, you can not be forced to do business with any corporate entity that you do not wish to. This relates to laws/act's and taxes created by the government, Act - (Advanced Corporation Tax), eg. The Road Traffic Act or Sale of Goods Act.

How can they hit sovereign human being with these laws taxes and Acts ?

It's a eloberate trick. When you are born, your parents go and apply for a birth certificate for you. This birthcert is called a "legal fiction entity" or "your person". You are not a person, you are given a person or you have a person. This "person or fictional entity" is what they are using to enforce these laws and taxes against you.

Here is a excellent short video which explains this trick/process very well..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUUxoX4ZUhU

This is enslavement. And you thought you were free !!

Click sig for more info on this..

studiorat

I suspect the website you linked to simply finds the address of the search entry, rather than actually lets you know if it's a company or not. Being in the phone book doesn't automatically mean you are a company, if you get what I mean.

Where does D&B get its data?
D&B has built the most extensive business information database in the world with over 140,000,000 business records.. We collect and receive information from a broad array of sources, including:
Direct investigations and interviews with the company principals.
Payment and banking data from company suppliers, with over 1 billion annual trade updates.
Suits, liens, judgment, UCCs, business registrations, corporate details and bankruptcy filings from state and county courthouses.
Corporate financial reports and filings.
Contracts, grants, loans and debarments from the federal government.
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News and media sources.
Telephone company data and print directories.
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Di0genes

Could you point out where exactly on the stock exchange they are? How much do these shares cost? Where's the AGM? Who's on the board?

Richard tea

Hello Talkie, I find this stuff fascinating but confusing.

Here are some of the sites with good info and videos

http://freemanireland.ning.com/video

http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch?blend=2&ob=1

My only problem is, during the videos, the person in question talks the talk ( freeman of the land stuff ) and that all sounds good. But you never really see a follow up video of a success story. Do all these people end up going to court and end up paying a fine

Lab_Mouse

Richard tea wrote: »

Hello Talkie, I find this stuff fascinating but confusing.

Here are some of the sites with good info and videos

http://freemanireland.ning.com/video

http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch?blend=2&ob=1

My only problem is, during the videos, the person in question talks the talk ( freeman of the land stuff ) and that all sounds good. But you never really see a follow up video of a success story. Do all these people end up going to court and end up paying a fine

Its bullsh1t Im afraid--it even gets a special mention in the legal discussion forum charter(post 3 and 5)http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054891512 .

Cant look at either clips--is one of them just audio?if so think it was posted here before and fair play to yer man for chancing his arm all the same

Richard tea

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

Its bullsh1t Im afraid--it even gets a special mention in the legal discussion forum charter(post 3 and 5)http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054891512 .

Cant look at either clips--is one of them just audio?if so think it was posted here before and fair play to yer man for chancing his arm all the same

Ill have a look at that charter

First link is just a link to the freemanireland site and the second link is a link to '' The love police'' youtube site (
THE LOVE POLICE
cveitch's Channel )

Ok had a look at the charter, So in a moderators opinion, all this freeman talk is ''not rational or acceptable by right minded thinking people'' This does not prove or disprove anything.

Finnbar01

Di0genes wrote: »

Could you point out where exactly on the stock exchange they are? How much do these shares cost? Where's the AGM? Who's on the board?

They don't have to be. Private owned companies are not listed on the stock exchange either.

Lab_Mouse

Richard tea wrote: »

Ok had a look at the charter, So in a moderators opinion, all this freeman talk is ''not rational or acceptable by right minded thinking people'' This does not prove or disprove anything.

You missed the paragraph after it:

Note: Moderators have a wide discretion to modify, snip, ban and infract on this forum/thread in relation to posters who are just clearly not in touch with the law [at all] and cannot engage in rational discourse with others [without foisting incorrect and dated views about their perceptions of the law on others - you know who you are].

The important part is in bold.
All the freeman talk is just wishful thinking.So you will have answer summon's,pay fines etc.better off joining class war and starting a revolution if the laws in a democracy dont suit:http://www.londonclasswar.org/

EDIT:also it was regular posters here that posting on the legal discussions forum that caused that to be added to the charter.Will see if I can track down that audio clip-it was an irish man ands post it here

Lab_Mouse

Here's a link to the longest thread i could find on it before it being locked.Makes interesting reading:D

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055521538&highlight=freeman

TalkieWalkie

studiorat wrote: »

I suspect the website you linked to simply finds the address of the search entry, rather than actually lets you know if it's a company or not. Being in the phone book doesn't automatically mean you are a company, if you get what I mean.

It's a company listing site, what does that tell you ? It lists companies.

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

You missed the paragraph after it:

The important part is in bold.
All the freeman talk is just wishful thinking.So you will have answer summon's,pay fines etc.better off joining class war and starting a revolution if the laws in a democracy dont suit:http://www.londonclasswar.org/

EDIT:also it was regular posters here that posting on the legal discussions forum that caused that to be added to the charter.Will see if I can track down that audio clip-it was an irish man ands post it here

Sounds to me like this thread is not for you lab mouse, if you cant contribute to the thread, just type nothing then. Quit trying to be a minimod.

"It's bullsh*t , it's wishfull thinking"... perhaps you would like to explain why, no ? ok then.

Lab_Mouse

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Sounds to me like this thread is not for you lab mouse, if you cant contribute to the thread, just type nothing then. Quit trying to be a minimod.

"It's bullsh*t , it's wishfull thinking"... perhaps you would like to explain why, no ? ok then.

Im surprised you can even make it to the keyboard to type the amount of bricks you've swallowed:D.

My post's were aimed at richard tea.I posted a link in the legal discussion forum to show that it was bullsh1t.I also posted a llink to thats forum charter to show that forum had had enough of wannabe new age solicitors posting(from a legal POV)bull.

Also show where I was backseat modding walkietakie.Im goin on weeks hols so this will be me last post for a while(yippee say the CT'ers:D).

A quick point on 1 of the companies you posted.The gardai's telecoms section sell/rent out space on there masts(every station has one) to telecom's companies(O2,vodafone etc) so I presume they would have to make tax returns on any money got from that.So that might explain why its on that list.Thats only a guess at my end.

The garda social club on the SCR can also be rented out for 21st's etc so that again would have to make tax returns.Maybe the 2 other clubs might have a similar type of operation?Dont have time as Im goin in a minute,but maybe see if the clubs have a vat number here?

namloc1980

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It turns out that the Irish Government and the Gardai Siochana and all other Irish institutions are privately owned corporations who trade for profit on the stock exchange.

So which stock exchange do the Gardaí and other Irish Institutions trade on?

mcmoustache

How does a freeman get onto the internet? Don't they need a contract with an isp which needs to comply with the laws of the state?

WildBoots

mcmoustache wrote: »

How does a freeman get onto the internet? Don't they need a contract with an isp which needs to comply with the laws of the state?

A man or woman can enter into a contract with anyone if they want to.

robtri

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It's a company listing site, what does that tell you ? It lists companies.

no thats what they call the site to attract most visitors to use their services and hence for them to make most money... doent mean that all they list and all they do.... look at the menu bar on the website marketing centre for example... I doubt that is a company lisitng now is it... so they deal with a lot of other stuff besides listing companies....

just cause it list the name and addresses of Irish Insititutes, means nothing....

TalkieWalkie

robtri wrote: »

no thats what they call the site to attract most visitors to use their services and hence for them to make most money... doent mean that all they list and all they do.... look at the menu bar on the website marketing centre for example... I doubt that is a company lisitng now is it... so they deal with a lot of other stuff besides listing companies....

just cause it list the name and addresses of Irish Insititutes, means nothing....

Look at the pic again.

Company Search Results

Gardai Siochana

Moriarty

I love that the innocence and naiivity still exists in this world to think that something like this would have been missed by everyone with even a passing interest in the law in this country for the past 96 years. I presume you figure that everyone that wants to avoid the law - such as criminals with loads of money - just aren't privvy to this interesting tidbit, right? Bless you guys.

The gardai are a state organisation, not a limited company. They were establised by an act of the oireachtas - The Garda Siochana Act, 1924. Specifically, section 1 which says:

The Garda Síoch&#225 wrote: »

(1) It shall be lawful for the Executive Council of Saorstát Eireann to continue to raise, train, equip, pay and maintain in Saorstát Eireann the force of police called the Gárda Síochána.


(2) The Gárda Síochána aforesaid shall consist of such numbers of officers and men as the Executive Council shall from time to time determine, but not exceeding the total numbers of officers and men respectively specified in the First Schedule to this Act.

TalkieWalkie

Thats wonderful news but doesn't really prove anything considering that the HOUSES OF THE OIREACHTAS are also a privately owned company :rolleyes:
https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductSelection?dunsNumber=4&busName=HOUSES%20OF%20THE%20OIREACHTAS&storeId=10001&catalogId=70001&productId=0&address=Leinster%20House&city=Dublin&state=&zip=2&country=IE

drkpower

Why are people humouring this poor soul?

Moriarty

No they're not.

A listing on a random business directory means nothing. Have a look through the Companies Registration Office records for mention of either being private companies. You won't find it, because they aren't.

Bless.

namloc1980

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Look at the pic again.

Company Search Results

Gardai Siochana

So what stock exchange are the Gardai trading on as you claimed in the OP??

freefromgov

Moriarty wrote: »

I love that the innocence and naiivity still exists in this world to think that something like this would have been missed by everyone with even a passing interest in the law in this country for the past 96 years. I presume you figure that everyone that wants to avoid the law - such as criminals with loads of money - just aren't privvy to this interesting tidbit, right? Bless you guys.

The gardai are a state organisation, not a limited company. They were establised by an act of the oireachtas - The Garda Siochana Act, 1924. Specifically, section 1 which says:

I can see by your post and a few others you've made that you seem to be of the opinion that ... That's just the way it is boys ... like it or lump it ...
However ... Surely you would have to agree then that back in the day Prior to the 1916 rising .... you also if you were arround would have been positing the same position ... Yes ? No ?

I find it interesting that on a website that I'm led to believe was set up to have freethinking discussions on should be maniplulated in the way it is by the not so Moderate " Moderators"

They seem to also share this idea that the very mention that the system in place could somehow be a Grand hoax (which it is BTW imho) so threatning that any mention of it ... they jump into ... "oh, this guy must be off his rocker" mode .....

Well I have an open invitation to anyone that is willing to come on the web radio www.tnsradio.com anytime ... to discuss these issues.
I will treat any and all callers with dignity and respect even if they do not me. the show is on every night (I host wednesday and sunday) 9pm - 11pm
We have a pl=olicy on freeman Ireland not to ban anyone ... ( we used to .... turned out to be a bad idea so we dropped it )

If you want to call into the show on any topic the skype number (you can remain anon if you wish) is 00 353 1 44 333 09 or add vincenttemp1 to your skype.

I'm not here seeking your input guys but if you want to then the offer is open to you .... Perhaps one of the Mods may like to come on ? ?

Ok peace ..... later sorry if I got a little off topic but the show does relate to the OP's Post as that is discussed on a regular basis on the shows ...

bonkey

Let me see if I understand the argument here...

The Garda Siochana are a company, because some site on the internet says that it is.
There is no evidence of it being registered anywhere, no share information, no evidence of any of the various things that are legal requirements for companies....

...but a site on the internet says its a company, without explaining how it arrived at that conclusion, so it is a company.

Is that about right?

IrelandSpirit

bonkey wrote: »

Let me see if I understand the argument here...

The Garda Siochana are a company, because some site on the internet says that it is.
There is no evidence of it being registered anywhere, no share information, no evidence of any of the various things that are legal requirements for companies....

...but a site on the internet says its a company, without explaining how it arrived at that conclusion, so it is a company.

Is that about right?

Well yes, I suppose you could be right - Dun & Bradstreet could be some dodgy internet site making dubious claims about our institutions. Very serious and damaging claims all things considered. In which case, maybe you should put them right on that?



Edit: I mean that wink in the healthy spirit of skepticism.

K-9

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Well yes, I suppose you could be right - Dun & Bradstreet could be some dodgy internet site making dubious claims about our institutions. Very serious and damaging claims all things considered. In which case, maybe you should put them right on that?



Edit: I mean that wink in the healthy spirit of skepticism.

Or maybe they are there because it's handy for Companies to have their contact information, eg. contracts with An Garda Siochana.

IrelandSpirit

K-9 wrote: »

Or maybe they are there because it's handy for Companies to have their contact information, eg. contracts with An Garda Siochana.

What's wrong with the contact information in the phone book? Their websites, etc?

K-9

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

What's wrong with the contact information in the phone book? Their websites, etc?

I think post No. 2 addressed that already. The site clearly states it takes information from the phone book anyway.

I don't think there is anything sinister including that type of information on such a reputable site.

IrelandSpirit

K-9 wrote: »

I think post No. 2 addressed that already. The site clearly states it takes information from the phone book anyway.

Well no, it doesn't actually. You're either a company trading for profit or you are not. For instance, D&B clearly lists Garda Siochana under the category Company Name. Why would they do that if the Garda Siochana are not a company?

K-9 wrote: »

I don't think there is anything sinister including that type of information on such a reputable site.

I agree, I'm sure D&B are reputable and are not doing anything sinister by listing Irish institutions as companies. Unless, of course, these institutions are not companies. In which case, stating things like "Garda Siochana Also Traded as GARDA TELECOMMUNICATIONS SECTION" is way outa line, no?

namloc1980

There seems to be alot of confused people on here. That website returns results for all types of businesses and organisations e.g.

Allenwood GAA Club in Co.Kildare GAA clubs are NOT companies

Trocaire Charities are NOT companies

It also lists sole traders and partnerships and even some private individuals. So as others have said it is simply an aggregator of various directory sources. Worst conspiracy ever.

PS What stock exchange does the Gardaí trade on as claimed in the OP???

K-9

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Well no, it doesn't actually. You're either a company trading for profit or you are not. For instance, D&B clearly lists Garda Siochana under the category Company Name. Why would they do that if the Garda Siochana are not a company?

It states "D&B has built the most extensive business information database in the world with over 140,000,000 business records."

An Garda Siochana are a business eg. tenders for the supply of Patrol cars, supplies of office stationery etc. Indeed, the State is a massive user of Private Sector services.

IrelandSpirit wrote:

I agree, I'm sure D&B are reputable and are not doing anything sinister by listing Irish institutions as companies. Unless, of course, these institutions are not companies. In which case, stating things like "Garda Siochana Also Traded as GARDA TELECOMMUNICATIONS SECTION" is way outa line, no?

I think another post may have expanded on that, the deal with Digifone as it was then, IIRC. I know they are looking for a replacement for the out dated PULSE system. Also Traded maybe just another branch of An Garda Siochana, not a literal meaning.

I'm thinking that maybe in some way, EU regulations say, they may have to provide their information on sites like this.

K-9

namloc1980 wrote: »

There seems to be alot of confused people on here. That website returns results for all types of businesses and organisations e.g.

Allenwood GAA Club in Co.Kildare GAA clubs are NOT companies

Trocaire Charities are NOT companies

It also lists sole traders and partnerships and even some private individuals. So as others have said it is simply an aggregator of various directory sources. Worst conspiracy ever.

PS What stock exchange does the Gardaí trade on as claimed in the OP???

Ah, exactly. Organisations like that are often Companies Limited by Guarantee: Private company limited by guarantee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are Companies but have no Share Capital.

namloc1980

K-9 wrote: »

Ah, exactly. Organisations like that are often Companies Limited by Guarantee: Private company limited by guarantee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are Companies but have no Share Capital.

No, Limited companies are different. GAA clubs are not companies, they are trusteeships. Sole traders are not companies, they are just individuals trading.

K-9

namloc1980 wrote: »

No, Limited companies are different. GAA clubs are not companies, they are trusteeships. Sole traders are not companies, they are just individuals trading.

Sorry, was referring to Trocaire and Charities.

robtri

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Look at the pic again.

Company Search Results

Gardai Siochana

and what does that prove..... nothing...

or am i to assume that anything printed on the interent is real and true????

TalkieWalkie

I would image the Dun&Bradstreet website is accurate, it lists businesses and corporations from around the world, they could be held liable for providing misinformation if it wasn't.

Here is another example :

Dublin City Council, formerly known as Dublin Corporation :rolleyes:
Also Traded as THE ELECTRICITY AND PUBLIC LIGHTING DEPARTMENT

K-9

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I would image the Dun&Bradstreet website is accurate, it lists businesses and corporations from around the world, they could be held liable for providing misinformation if it wasn't.

Here is another example :

Dublin City Council, formerly known as Dublin Corporation :rolleyes:
Also Traded as THE ELECTRICITY AND PUBLIC LIGHTING DEPARTMENT

Dublin City Council are a business as are all County Councils, probably the reason why they have to charge VAT on refuse charges etc.

Searched here: Company Search,
Nothing coming up but I suppose they are registered in D & B as well!

namloc1980

For the fourth time, TalkieWalkie, which stock echange are the Gardai trading on as you claimed in the OP?

Torakx

Forgive me if this is a stupid question.
But if the gardai create revenue from tickets how are they to be considered candidates for being on any stock exchange?
Do all bussinesses that are running appear on this exchange? I really dont know,not being sarcastic or anything.

studiorat

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It turns out that the Irish Government and the Gardai Siochana and all other Irish institutions are privately owned corporations who trade for profit on the stock exchange.

Lies...

studiorat

freefromgov wrote: »

I can see by your post and a few others you've made that you seem to be of the opinion that ... That's just the way it is boys ... like it or lump it ...

As opposed to what? Use it to shill a radio program? At least they aren't using the fact to promote themselves.

Don't you think it's a bit of a paradox that a 'sovereign' should be mentioning the 1916 rising, which put the government there in the first place.

Scarab80

Torakx wrote: »

Forgive me if this is a stupid question.
But if the gardai create revenue from tickets how are they to be considered candidates for being on any stock exchange?
Do all bussinesses that are running appear on this exchange? I really dont know,not being sarcastic or anything.

The department of justice collected 15.6 million in motor fines last year, this money is returned to the exchequer. The exchequer in return paid out 2,408 million for the running of the justice department.

Irish publicly traded companies are on the ISEQ stock exchange, i.e. anyone can buy shares in them. Private companies are not on any exchange but must be registered with the Companies Registration Office and their accounts are available for anyone to view.

Here is where you can search for companies in Ireland.

Brown Bomber

Corporate/government has turned out to be the same thing anway. The government doesn't care about you and the police certainly don't. The police force are ruled by proxy by various interests. To be fair less so in Ireland than in some other places.

I know this is Canada but who are the Police force representing here? Not the people anyhow.

Watch til the end or skip to the last 25%.

Brown Bomber

And watch this in full
Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhrmQqicopM

bonkey

studiorat wrote: »

Lies...

No call for that. Its one thing to believe someone wrong. Its another to accuse them of spreading a known falsehood or attempting to deceive

namloc1980

So is anyone willing to provide any evidence at all that the Gardai are trading on the stock exchange as claimed in the OP?

Brown Bomber

namloc1980 wrote: »

So is anyone willing to provide any evidence at all that the Gardai are trading on the stock exchange as claimed in the OP?

squod

Good 'un. Should have made those numbers bigger.

squod

government like every other had to be corporatised in order to be able to operate in commerce with other nations. So logic would determine that if the Government is a corporation then its departments and institutions must be corporations too.

http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum/topics/gardai-and-government?commentId=3214356%3AComment%3A74076&xg_source=activity

K-9

The other side of this is, if there is a Conspiracy here, I doubt Dunn & Bradstreet wouldn't be in on it.

Torakx

So where do we stand on this question?
Has it been shown that the Gardai or government is a corporation?

I suppose they would have to be if they are taking money off people for things like traffic tickets.Surely road taxes should pay the "security" bills we have for all those traffic cops and court officials.I mean thats why we have police right? to prosecute tax payers LOL
Sorry for sarcy comments at the end its hard not to laugh at the system.

K-9

Torakx wrote: »

So where do we stand on this question?
Has it been shown that the Gardai or government is a corporation?

I suppose they would have to be if they are taking money off people for things like traffic tickets.Surely road taxes should pay the "security" bills we have for all those traffic cops and court officials.I mean thats why we have police right? to prosecute tax payers LOL
Sorry for sarcy comments at the end its hard not to laugh at the system.

No, it hasn't been shown they are a corporation.

Post 41 explains how much they take in and spend.

There is an easy way of avoiding the traffic fines though.