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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Stinicker wrote: »
    It is very relevant to me.

    Do you live in the same house as the OP

    Unless you share a letterbox it is not relevant in the slightest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Mike 1972 wrote: »


    FAIL !

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Religious_beliefs

    To be fair he was an atheist and he did murder a lot of Ethiopians but his ideology caused him to kill those people not his non-belief in God.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Stinicker wrote: »
    It is very relevant to me.

    ... and it is irrelevant to others. The thing is these sort of magazines shouldn't be sent out to people if they don't want them. You should register on a subscription service to receive them if they are relevant to you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    To be fair he was an atheist .

    Hardly

    More of a hypocrite really
    He denounced socialists who were tolerant of religion, or who had their children baptized. ..............Mussolini would try to win popular support by appeasing the Catholic majority in Italy. In 1924, Mussolini saw that three of his children were given communion. In 1925, he had a priest perform a religious marriage ceremony for himself and his wife Rachele, whom he had married in a civil ceremony 10 years earlier.[100] In 1929, he signed a concordat and treaty with the Roman Catholic Church......He wanted to persuade Catholics that "[f]ascism was Catholic and he himself a believer who spent some of each day in prayer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Hardly

    More of a hypocrite really

    Well he was an atheist, but he probably didn't say it in public as much because of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Italians were Roman Catholic and he would have lost public support if had utterly denounced religion.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Hardly

    More of a hypocrite really

    +1

    He had the full RC funeral works as well. Like most megalomaniacs, he wasn't driven by a lack of belief in god/s, he was driven by a thirst for power - which meant doing everything he could to destroy his opposition in influential establishments ie the church.


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭Mat the trasher


    Got that rag through my door the other day also, really pissed off that they stuff through your letter box. Anyway took a look at it and as it turns out I know the editor and I can tell you he's a nut. Will not listen to any contary arguments, I mean will not even discuss your point of view. I spent alot of time in the Muslim world and they are more tolerant than this guy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    panda100 wrote: »
    How can you not like Alive?Its bleedin priceless! My fave section is 'The Satan in training' bit on the back page. Thats quality.

    I wouldn't mind alive if it didn't have Dermot Ahern as an avid reader (that's the only rational explaination i can think of for all the backward stuff he's done).


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    What's the problem with getting Alive! in the mail? Since it started down here we've not had to purchase bog roll once.

    Win.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    wild_cat wrote: »
    I have a no junk mail sign up on my front door. The only people who seem unable to read it are the people that deliver the Alive Catholic news paper door to door.

    I rang them last month requesting that they refrain from putting it through the door in future. The lady refused to tell me who was delivering them to my area but said it wasn't one of their own group of delivery people, as they adhere to no junk mail signs.

    Came home today and there was another one stuck in the door.

    I do not agree with any of the crap they write and feel I shouldn't have this kind of stuff thwarted at me in my own home.


    I'd enjoy it like a copy of Viz if I didn't know they were actually being serious.

    Anyway how do I get this to stop?

    Call around to all your neighbours and get their copies. Dump them down the road and call the litter warden. How can they prove that they where delivered and then they'll get a nice little bill off the council.

    Mine just goes straight into the recycling bin, only every got to the 2nd line on the title page where it says it's "Catholic ...."


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Got that rag through my door the other day also, really pissed off that they stuff through your letter box. Anyway took a look at it and as it turns out I know the editor and I can tell you he's a nut. Will not listen to any contary arguments, I mean will not even discuss your point of view. I spent alot of time in the Muslim world and they are more tolerant than this guy.

    Actually, one thing i noticed about alive is that it can be really right wing. Obviously we all knew they''d be authoritarian, but there seems to be an anti-socialist, pro-capitalist message, which surprised me.
    A lot more like something you'd expect from an american christian fundamentalist publication rather than an irish catholic one.
    I always though Irish catholocism was more left-leaning and love-your-neighboury. I definitely haven't heard of the pope preaching any right-wing messages.

    They also seem to hate gender equality for some reason :confused:.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Indubitable


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Have you seen the Swedish reported crime rates recently?
    http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html

    It doesn't look too rosy compared to countries that value our Christian ideals and have at least Moral and Ethical values.

    Have you seen their hot birds?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    OMG!!!! What they did was based on ideology not on their belief in God.

    Oh yeah, you forgot to mention Adolf Hitler, oops, he was Roman Catholic.

    Oh yeah, the Spanish Inquisition, forgot about them and the burning of hundreds and thousands of people because of the beliefs and accusations of 'witchcraft'.

    One more thing, you're not addressing the statistics I gave you above ^^^

    Edit: Forgot to mention the crusades.
    Not to forget the 'Christian' Bush and, now Catholic, Tony Blair and how they both believed God wanted them to slaughter millions of innocents for oil.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 856 ✭✭✭Carl Sagan


    To be honest, a good sit down with Alive is better than watching some of the best comedies on tv.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    save up all the pizza delivery leaflets and other types of junk you can get your hands on and send it back to the catholic scum


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Scarinae


    Mena wrote: »
    What's the problem with getting Alive! in the mail? Since it started down here we've not had to purchase bog roll once.

    Win.

    That sounds chafey


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    I definitely haven't heard of the pope preaching any right-wing messages.

    He got that out of his system in his Youth days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭clikityclak


    Carl Sagan wrote: »
    To be honest, a good sit down with Alive is better than watching some of the best comedies on tv.
    ^^^^^^
    This is true.

    Not a problem now I'm home from college but used to get that dung through the letter box however often it comes out. Really strange view of the world, but it gave me a chuckle over breakfast or whatever.

    Also the argument that atheism=lack of morals??? I'll make my own thank you, and not because of the fear of 'judgement' by an imaginery friend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    A lot of hatred of Catholics being expressed here. How long would this thread last if it was about Gibbs or Essence being pushed through your letterbox. Bigots TBH.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    squod wrote: »
    A lot of hatred of Catholics being expressed here. How long would this thread last if it was about Gibbs or Essence being pushed through your letterbox. Bigots TBH.


    Calling people bigots because of a thread that hasn't gone on for pages because it hasn't been created about a problem that doesn't exist.

    What the ****?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    squod wrote: »
    A lot of hatred of Catholics being expressed here. How long would this thread last if it was about Gibbs or Essence being pushed through your letterbox. Bigots TBH.

    I think it is more hatred of bigots, idiots and onetruewayism who think they have the right to push their beliefs on us.

    I don't hate catholics, I have respect for people of faith but I have no time for that rag of a publication, have you read it?

    http://www.alive.ie/aboutus.php

    If anyone wants to try stop it being delivered try contacting them.
    Alive!,
    St Mary's Priory,
    Tallaght Village,
    Dublin 24,
    Ireland

    Tel: 01-4048187
    Fax: 01-4596784

    Email: editor@alive.ie

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alive!_%28newspaper%29
    Alive! is a free monthly publication in the style of a newspaper which has been produced, since its first edition in 1996, by Alive Group, an organization with an address at the Dominican Order St Mary's Priory, Tallaght in Dublin, Republic of Ireland. The current editor is a Catholic priest, Fr Brian McKevitt, who refers to the publication as a 'newszine'. While it claims a circulation of over 300,000 copies, its actual readership is difficult to establish since a substantial portion of its circulation is delivered door-to-door, with most of the remainder being available through Ireland's network of Catholic churches (who do not provide estimates of take-up).[1] It is printed by Datascope, an independent publishing company in Enniscorthy and contains an appeal in each issue for donations totalling EUR160,000 annually to remain in circulation.[2]

    Since September 2008, the front page has contained a disclaimer text "The content of the newspaper Alive! and the views expressed in it are those of the editor and contributors, and do not necessarily represent the views of the Irish Dominican Province".

    Alive! upholds a right-wing orthodox Catholic position on a number of issues which it believes are of prime importance to Catholics. These include abortion, euthanasia, marriage, teenage sex, homosexuality, feminism, parenting, children's education, "moral decline", the European Union, the idea that Global warming is a hoax and the broad environmental movement is "anti-Catholic" and, ultimately, the necessity for the primacy of Catholic Christianity over all other belief systems.[3] Each edition of the newszine will typically contain at least four or five articles on topics drawn from this list, and the majority of its articles are written anonymously.

    The publication strongly opposed the Nice Treaty and more recently, fiercely protested against the Lisbon Treaty, a position which drew criticism from Irish politicians such as Senator Paschal Donohoe as its position could be erroneously interpreted by many Catholics as representing the official views of the Catholic hierarchy. TD Thomas Byrne, attacked the publication claiming it "bombarded" church goers with its "anti-EU" views.[4] While Senator Ivana Bacik went further and described the publication as being the "equivalent of the paramilitary wing of the Catholic Church"[5] (a reference to the IRA being called the paramilitary wing of Sinn Fein). Following Donohue's comments, Cardinal Seán Brady asked bishops to monitor unofficial literature which was distributed through Catholic churches.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    As of today we call him The Chocolate Monster around these parts.

    Linky

    There's even a book already!

    http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/h1/h8797.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I think it is more hatred of bigots, idiots and onetruewayism who think they have the right to push their beliefs on us.

    I don't hate catholics, I have respect for people of faith but I have no time for that rag of a publication, have you read it?

    http://www.alive.ie/aboutus.php

    The front page story is one of the funniest (albeit one of the most nonsensical) things I've ever read.

    The "sex market" and "marriage market". :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I think it is more hatred of bigots, idiots and onetruewayism who think they have the right to push their beliefs on us.

    I don't hate catholics, I have respect for people of faith but I have no time for that rag of a publication, have you read it?

    http://www.alive.ie/aboutus.php

    If anyone wants to try stop it being delivered try contacting them.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alive!_%28newspaper%29

    I rang them last month.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Quite frankly a lot of Catholics I know wouldnt welcome this crap being pushed through their letterbox.

    Is there any way of getting the home addresses of their distributors in order to send them some unsolicited Gay porn/Communist newspapers/Advertisements for Dignitas/Free Presbyterian leaflets/Headshop price lists..........
    squod wrote: »
    How long would this thread last if it was about Gibbs or Essence

    Wha ?
    squod wrote: »
    A lot of hatred of Catholics being expressed here.

    Hatred of junk mail = Hatred of Catholics ???
    FAIL !


  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 26,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Huge rainbow flag hanging in the window should do the job :pac:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    squod wrote: »
    A lot of hatred of Catholics being expressed here. How long would this thread last if it was about Gibbs or Essence being pushed through your letterbox. Bigots TBH.

    Get over the persecution complex will ye. We don't like junk mail full stop.

    (and I'd be surprised to hear that Alive actually represents catholics, I really would)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    bluewolf wrote: »
    (and I'd be surprised to hear that Alive actually represents catholics, I really would)

    any suggestion that it did would be far closer to anti-catholic bigotry (TM) in fairness


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    I would consider myself a Catholic but would agree with nothing written in Alive, it does not represent my views towards religion. It actively promotes the view that Catholicism is under attack and that to defend itself it should attack any one that speaks out against it. It shames me that anyone could support any of the views contained within it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Quite frankly a lot of Catholics I know wouldnt welcome this crap being pushed through their letterbox.

    One of the first bits of sense on this thread. Alive! is not an official publication and does not represent the views of RCC in Ireland.
    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I think it is more hatred of bigots, idiots and onetruewayism who think they have the right to push their beliefs on us.

    There's a lot of that going around these days, it used to be religion, not any more.


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