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Queen Elizabeth II to visit Ireland.

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    #152
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    I couldnt give a flying F%$% whether she comes or not. i wont have to listen to her. :P


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    #153
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    aDeener wrote: »
    how is that trolling. it is true, it would make a lot of people happier, granted it would also make a lot of people unhappy, but what he said still holds :confused:

    Explain how it would change peoples lives?

    Most of the people who it would make happy are the same people who had IRA written on their pencil case.


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    #154
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    rovert wrote: »
    Are you trollling or what?



    Because they are very different situations. Just a guess mate.

    they are remarkably similar in a lot of ways - both oppressed ireland for years, both have leaders who apparently have no real control over those below them, both left a lot of victims still struggling today as a result


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    #155
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    rovert wrote: »
    Explain how it would change peoples lives?

    ehh are you serious? different currency, different tax rates...


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    #156
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    rovert wrote: »
    Explain how it would change peoples lives?

    Most of the people who it would make happy are the same people who had IRA written on their pencil case.

    :rolleyes:

    so you are admitting that it would make people happy? odd


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    #157
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    rovert wrote: »
    Explain how it would change peoples lives?

    Most of the people who it would make happy are the same people who had IRA written on their pencil case.
    Thats just retarded.


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    #158
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    aDeener wrote: »
    i find it funny how whenever anglo-irish relations are brought up people always trot out the "move on, its all in the past" line and tell everyone to mature and grow up. but whenever the ills of the catholic church and the horrible things they did in the past is brought up the same is never said. i wonder why?

    Perhaps because the issue of Priest paedophilia is a current affair, happening now, whereas this anti-British begrudgery is based on things that happened nearly 90 years ago.
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Unification would make a lot f people happier.

    But how would it? The only difference will probably be a different crest on letterheads, and different colour postboxes. People idealise this idea of independence or unification, for example the 1916 risers talking of the "august destiny" to which they were called. Or DeV talking about old men spreading wisdom by the fireside. It's all wishy washy, and bears no relation to real life. The things people like to do - read, play sport, watch sport, socialise, drink, court each other etc etc - would be exactly the same if Ireland was unified.

    I just don't see how it bears any relation to me everyday life and my striving to be content and happy.


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    #159
    John C
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭John C


    The UK is Ireland's nearest neighbour. Its people speak our language. Hundreds of thouands of Irish people have lived all their working lives there. They work in virtually all areas of british life. Some have high positions. Ireland's Head of State has been to London.

    Yes the Queen should make a state visit to Ireland.


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    #160
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Perhaps because the issue of Priest paedophilia is a current affair, happening now, whereas this anti-British begrudgery is based on things that happened nearly 90 years ago.



    But how would it? The only difference will probably be a different crest on letterheads, and different colour postboxes. People idealise this idea of independence or unification, for example the 1916 risers taking of the "august destiny" to which they were called. Or DeV talking about old men spreading wisdom by the fireside. It's all wishy washy, and bears no relation to real life. The things people like to do - read, play sport, watch sport, socialise, drink, court each other etc etc - would be exactly the same if Ireland was unified.

    I just don't see how it bears any relation to me everyday life and my striving to be content and happy.

    the crimes of the paedophile priests are long in the past, some of the culprits are still walking around free men today, which is wrong.in the same way the crimes of the british soldier are in the past but they are still walking around as free men today, which is wrong. and bloody sunday was not 90 years ago :rolleyes:


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    #161
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Perhaps because the issue of Priest paedophilia is a current affair, happening now, whereas this anti-British begrudgery is based on things that happened nearly 90 years ago.
    No, not all of it is.


    But how would it? The only difference will probably be a different crest on letterheads, and different colour postboxes. People idealise this idea of independence or unification, for example the 1916 risers talking of the "august destiny" to which they were called. Or DeV talking about old men spreading wisdom by the fireside. It's all wishy washy, and bears no relation to real life. The things people like to do - read, play sport, watch sport, socialise, drink, court each other etc etc - would be exactly the same if Ireland was unified.

    I just don't see how it bears any relation to me everyday life and my striving to be content and happy.
    Why do you think people have fought and died for years for Irish independence? Wishy washy? The hundreds of thousands of Irish men and women who were left behind to decades of discrimination and suppression when we got our freedom will be much happier upon unification. Bears no relation to real life? Yes it does. Maybe not for you personally but for a huge amount of people on this island it does.


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    #162
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    aDeener wrote: »
    the crimes of the paedophile priests are long in the past, some of the culprits are still walking around free men today, which is wrong.in the same way the crimes of the british soldier are in the past but they are still walking around as free men today, which is wrong. and bloody sunday was not 90 years ago :rolleyes:

    You're still looking towards the past. Bloody Sunday was terrible and I welcome the recent report. Is that a reason to protest at the Queen visiting Dublin? When exactly will people move on and start concentrating on achieving contentedness and happiness, rather than constantly looking backwards?
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Why do you think people have fought and died for years for Irish independence? Wishy washy?

    The Irish people fought for better Irish representation, for sure. However, how much of fight was based upon this idealistic notion that life would be perfect afterwards? That independence was the be-all and end-all? What perceptible difference would unification make to the lives of those in the Republic now?

    But you say that unification would make people happy. Some people will no doubt protest when the Queen comes. Will that make them happy? Will fighting Gardaí make them happy? Does constantly taking a negative view of the governmental systems of the British Isles make them happy?

    I just don't buy it. I'm a content person. I like reading, watching the World Cup and meeting up with friends. None of that is dictated by whether I'm in Ireland, or Northern Ireland, or England, or anywhere else in the EU now.


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    #163
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Thats just retarded.

    Sorry but it is the truth. That is where alot of nationalists down south at least come from.
    aDeener wrote: »
    the crimes of the paedophile priests are long in the past, some of the culprits are still walking around free men today, which is wrong.in the same way the crimes of the british soldier are in the past but they are still walking around as free men today, which is wrong. and bloody sunday was not 90 years ago :rolleyes:

    This is such a ridiclous parrell to the degree it is rather sad. I dont think youve grasp on either situation.


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    #164
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    aDeener wrote: »
    i find it funny how whenever anglo-irish relations are brought up people always trot out the "move on, its all in the past" line and tell everyone to mature and grow up. but whenever the ills of the catholic church and the horrible things they did in the past is brought up the same is never said. i wonder why?

    Because it's hardly in the past is it?? Do you want to forget about it all??


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    #165
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Perhaps because the issue of Priest paedophilia is a current affair, happening now, whereas this anti-British begrudgery is based on things that happened nearly 90 years ago.

    How is it begrudgery?? And this stance is based on things that have happened in the last 30 years and also much longer than 90 yeras ago.


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    #166
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    rovert wrote: »
    Sorry but it is the truth. That is where alot of nationalists down south at least come from.
    So, I am a nationalist from "Down south" and I never had IRA written on my pencil case. So think before you spew out retarded statements like that.


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    #167
    rovert
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    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    How is it begrudgery?? And this stance is based on things that have happened in the last 30 years and also much longer than 90 yeras ago.

    Which many people who were you know actually involved in the middle of have moved on from. Maybe you dont know but Catholics and Protestant work together now up there, not only that they are in goverment together :eek::eek::eek:
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So, I am a nationalist from "Down south" and I never had IRA written on my pencil case. So think before you spew out retarded statements like that.

    ^ Coming from the person that said that unification would change lives thats quite the compliment.


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    #168
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I have many relations and friends who live in Ulster. The would be much happier if Ireland was Unified, their lives would change.

    You aren't blind to that surely?


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    #169
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    How is it begrudgery?? And this stance is based on things that have happened in the last 30 years and also much longer than 90 yeras ago.

    Yeah, I think begrudgery was the wrong word to use, sorry. Perhaps dislike would be better. Consider, for example, the anachronistic phrase "800 years". People have a dislike towards Britain and British people now because of what their ancestors did to our ancestors hundreds of years ago.

    I can accept the anger directed towards the British government over the Troubles, though not to the levels extended by some. But it begs the question: how will your constant criticism of what the British army did, to someone else 20 years ago, change your life? I'm all for remembering and commemorating the past but I'm against using it as a basis for your attitude towards a whole nation today. I just can't understand how protesting against the Queen will make anyone happier.

    When will people move on?
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I have many relations and friends who live in Ulster. The would be much happier if Ireland was Unified, their lives would change.

    You aren't blind to that surely?

    How would it make them happier?


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    #170
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    rovert wrote: »
    Which many people who were you know actually involved in the middle of have moved on from. Maybe you dont know but Catholics and Protestant work together now up there, not only that they are in goverment together :eek::eek::eek:
    .

    Wow really??? I was merely making the point that anti british feeling doesnt stem solely from something that 'happened 90 years ago'


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    #171
    rovert
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I have many relations and fiends who live in Ulster. The would be much happier if Ireland was Unified, there lives would change.

    You aren't blind to that surely?

    Great typo considering. :pac:

    How exactly would it change?


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    #172
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    Yeah, I think begrudgery was the wrong word to use, sorry. Perhaps dislike would be better. Consider, for example, the anachronistic phrase "800 years". People have a dislike towards Britain and British people now because of what their ancestors did to our ancestors hundreds of years ago.

    I can accept the anger directed towards the British government over the Troubles, though not to the levels extended by some. But it begs the question: how will your constant criticism of what the British army did, to someone else 20 years ago, change your life? I'm all for remembering and commemorating the past but I'm against using it as a basis for your attitude towards a whole nation today. I just can't understand how protesting against the Queen will make anyone happier.

    When will people move on?



    How would it make them happier?

    Where am i constantly criticising the brits?:confused:

    Anyway i was just being a pedantic bore:P


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    #173
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Bit rich picking on a simple mistake dont you think?
    How exactly who it change?


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    #174
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Bit rich picking on a simple mistake dont you think?

    Keep avoiding the question.


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    #175
    Judgement Day
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Fair enough. I'm sure business heads will look forward to her sitting down and discussing at length/detail, business plans and future prospects before signing up to legal contracts.

    I was only putting the usual official spin that goes with these visits - how many actual jobs, contracts etc do you think Biffo signed on his ten second visit to the Oval Office on St.Patrick's Day. :p


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    #176
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    rovert wrote: »
    Keep avoiding the question.
    You must be blind if you cannot see why nationalists will be happy when unification occurs. What will change? For Gods sake man, thats very obvious to be honest. For one nationalists will no longer be under the thumb of a foreign government, the BA will be gone forever, etc etc


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    #177
    rovert
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    You must be blind if you cannot see why nationalists will be happy when unification occurs. What will change? For Gods sake man, thats very obvious to be honest. For one nationalists will no longer be under the thumb of a foreign government, the BA will be gone forever, etc etc

    How would their lives change from day-to-day? What you are talking about is politics and admin really nothing to with the quality of life.


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    #178
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    rovert wrote: »
    How would their lives change from day-to-day? What you are talking about is politics and admin really nothing to with the quality of life.
    Politics and administration have EVERYTHING to do with day to day life and its quality. Whether it be through taxes and what not, or a simple sense of freedom that thousands in the 6 counties crave.
    For example, thousands of posters have called for FFs heads, but by your logic, it doesn't really mater does it?


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    #179
    Judgement Day
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    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    You must be blind if you cannot see why nationalists will be happy when unification occurs. What will change? For Gods sake man, thats very obvious to be honest. For one nationalists will no longer be under the thumb of a foreign government, the BA will be gone forever, etc etc

    I wouldn't hold your breath while you wait for unification. We seem quite far off topic here but at least neither of us want the Queen to visit Ireland.


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    #180
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    It wont happen tomorrow for sure, but one day it will.


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    #181
    sensibleken
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    why would it? Ireland was only ever unified under british rule. before that it was a patchwork of different administrations, usually beating the crap out of one another, don't forget it was an irishman that invited the anglo-normans in. So what makes you think a unified ireland is an inevitability or the natural way it should be.


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