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any updates on the No.4 and why the frequency has gone so bad ?
Apparently it is called an improvement. :rolleyes:I support the Continuity 46B!
Join me, brother, in our revolution. I think we will get support from the Continuity 63 and Real 4 amongst others. There will be many other groups popping up in the coming months if this attack on our services continues. Look out for a Release the Dublin Bus 10 movement for an example. I can see protests that we could join for us to be allowed to go our traditional routes. Even if we can't travel the way we used to, we haven't gone away you know. Of course it will be difficult to co-ordinate our marches and protest meetings, as none of us can say for definite when we will get to the gathering points, if at all.
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Apparently it is called an improvement. :rolleyes:
Join me, brother, in our revolution. I think we will get support from the Continuity 63 and Real 4 amongst others. There will be many other groups popping up in the coming months if this attack on our services continues. Look out for a Release the Dublin Bus 10 movement for an example. I can see protests that we could join for us to be allowed to go our traditional routes. Even if we can't travel the way we used to, we haven't gone away you know. Of course it will be difficult to co-ordinate our marches and protest meetings, as none of us can say for definite when we will get to the gathering points, if at all.
Get in touch with this crowd http://www.swp.ie/news/residents-monkstown-farm-continue-their-protest-against-dublin-bus-cutbacks/3552
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I appreciate that Nutley Lane can have delays but surely taking the direct route along the N11 rather than going via Mount Merrion will compensate for that in running time terms. For goodness sake the Bus Eireann Expressway route 2 operates via Nutley Lane too (and has done for some time) and I don't hear wails of protest about that.
With respect KC61 a comparison between a Bus Eireann express coach and the DB 47 is somewhat tenuous.
I do note the Companys advice to Mount Merrion residents re alternative services....Alternative bus services for customers in the Mount Merrion area include:
•High frequency direct services along the N11 - 145,46a
•Route 11a at Mather Road North,
•Route 5 at Trees Road Upper and Lower,
•Routes 11/11b at Lower Kilmacud Road
Given the some what incredible implosion of service levels on both of the hi-frequency routes mentioned,the greatly reduced service level on the 11A allied with uncertainty which surrounds the 11 route as a whole it is I feel somewhat disingenuous to offer these as a viable alternative.
That does of course leave us with the 5,which perhaps is deserving of a closer look.
As SickCert points out the peak time routing along Nutley Lane presents significant problems,with no active bus priority measures in place.
However if we rewind a bit to Merrion Avenue,we find a substantial amount of newly installed Bus Priority including Stops,Kassel Kerbing and Bus Lanes....all only recently commissioned after a lengthy battle with local sectional interests.
I would suggest re-routing the 47 along Merrion Avenue in both directions,with the option of either Networking it Direct as per the revised Stillorgan leg OR reinstating the old 46B routing via North Ave/Redesdale/Deerpark.
This would retain the Vincents Hospital connection as well as several Dart Stations and Blackrock College to boot !
As the current 47 aspires to a half hourly frequency I am suggesting that in the greater scheme of things it does not add greatly to the N11 QBC and should be approached with a view to establishing a route identity for itself.
I do hope poor old SickCert is not offended by your admonishment ....Sickcert you're thinking a bit too much like a driver here rather than a customer.
I`m not certain that such distinction is relevant,particularly in this case after a very stressful fortnight indeed where even the most laid back,relaxed and unflappable of Drivers were put into the firing line to deal with Customers who were,if we`re honest about it,abandoned to their own devices.
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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The problem with the 47 is it can only go where the time allowance will let it and rubbing wheels with the rte3 down Nutley is just a waste of fuel. Most users want Ballsbridge. I will be hassling the rep again this afternoon and will suggest that bus lane thing on MM ave.
I wish you luck Sickie.
KC61`s customer centred views are highly desirable,but I fear he falls into the trap of percieving the Drivers as a barrier to implimenting Customer Friendly schedules and routes.
If anything can be taken from the initial 10 Days of Network Direct,it`s that the Views,Expectations,and Experiences of a HUGE number of our customers were simply not factored into what we were given to believe was a Master Plan of great scale.
Instead we appear to have taken on the V`s ,E`s and E`s of a select few customers and extrapolated from there leaving us with something,by now,totally disjointed and flailing around aimlessly.
I fully concur with KC61`s opinions on devloping new journey possibilities,and that development is not something we are good at..but we have done it before...for sure with the 4,75,128,140,145, and we could have done it with the 63,84,111 and 116.
However with the ND experience ongoing it now appears clearer than ever that our System is being Planned,Devised and Implimented by a Non-Bus using,remotely located Senior Management Team using some VERY powerful (as in Narcotic) computer modelling software indeed.
It`s perhaps relevant that during the intense negotiations leading up to Phase 1 of ND a serious amount of highly detailed computer data print outs were tabled by Management which purported to give a highly detailed overview of all the relevant routes..
This data was,we`re told the main basis for the somewhat inventive scheduling decisions which were implimented and which whilst conforming to the Virtual expectations do not in any way conform to REALITY...but hey,if we need to talk reality perhaps we need the Minister for Finance to take over the ND job ??
Sadly,I hear that at a meeting during the week a Senior Manager expressed the view that 6 "Messers" were responsible for the less than glorious performance of Phase 1.:o
My response to that would have been to enquire if these 6 "Messers" were the ones actually managing to keep to their schedules, as this would only be possible if a high degree of "Messing" were employed :rolleyes:
I do hope that was only some Manager under pressure,venting-to-atmosphere rather than indicative of some actual belief.
For my part I would just advise the Management to pay attention to the Queue`s...all the questions and a fair few answers are contained within them....:) Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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If this is true about the 47, that really blows apart the fallacy that the 47 was an amalgamation of the 47 and 46B. As it was, the overlap was quite small, without this change. Then there are the supposed alternatives. The 5 is a very low frequency route, with just 5 runs a day each way, so that doesn't help Mount Merrion much. The 11a has only about 8 runs and really only serves the bottom of Mount Merrion. With the 46B gone and now the 47 being pulled out, it leaves the area badly served, even if the N11 isn't that far away. It is fine for some people, but for the older generation a walk down to the N11 is a bit of a challenge and even more so going back up the hill. That in itself is an issue which will impact on old people for routes that are being withdrawn or re-routed from many areas of the city. I heard a rumour last night, as you do, that the government may even pull the free pass in the budget which would be a further knock to older people.
Hopefully the 46B will be restored now. Some hope of course. Dublin Bus may be concerned about terminus to terminus times, but there is no point in them being faster if the bus service is harder for people to access. People are having time added to their journey by their buses having been re-routed away from them, so on balance the faster terminus to terminus times have made their actual commute longer. This is why drivers are getting flack. It is not their fault of course, as that can be given to those sitting in the ivory tower of Dublin Bus HQ. If 6 messers are being blamed for the problem, then it must have been 6 messers who came up with the whole idea in the first place. While we are talking about that, hands up who has got an e-mail reply from complaints sent to the Network Direct e-mail address. I expect that is nobody.:) Hands up who is not surprised. I expect that is unanimous.
What is the situation with the 11? What are the proposed changes? Are they more at the north end of the route, which I think I heard it would be? It is funny that the Lower Kilmacud Road may have a QBC on it, when some of its routes have been pulled. The 11 is the only route that does most of it and some of the parts where the proposed changes are to be made. If the doubts over the 11 extend to the southern end of the route, what does that say about plans for a QBC on Lower Kilmacud Road?0 -
I wish you luck Sickie.
KC61`s customer centred views are highly desirable,but I fear he falls into the trap of percieving the Drivers as a barrier to implimenting Customer Friendly schedules and routes.
If anything can be taken from the initial 10 Days of Network Direct,it`s that the Views,Expectations,and Experiences of a HUGE number of our customers were simply not factored into what we were given to believe was a Master Plan of great scale.
Instead we appear to have taken on the V`s ,E`s and E`s of a select few customers and extrapolated from there leaving us with something,by now,totally disjointed and flailing around aimlessly.
I fully concur with KC61`s opinions on devloping new journey possibilities,and that development is not something we are good at..but we have done it before...for sure with the 4,75,128,140,145, and we could have done it with the 63,84,111 and 116.
However with the ND experience ongoing it now appears clearer than ever that our System is being Planned,Devised and Implimented by a Non-Bus using,remotely located Senior Management Team using some VERY powerful (as in Narcotic) computer modelling software indeed.
It`s perhaps relevant that during the intense negotiations leading up to Phase 1 of ND a serious amount of highly detailed computer data print outs were tabled by Management which purported to give a highly detailed overview of all the relevant routes..
This data was,we`re told the main basis for the somewhat inventive scheduling decisions which were implimented and which whilst conforming to the Virtual expectations do not in any way conform to REALITY...but hey,if we need to talk reality perhaps we need the Minister for Finance to take over the ND job ??
Sadly,I hear that at a meeting during the week a Senior Manager expressed the view that 6 "Messers" were responsible for the less than glorious performance of Phase 1.:o
My response to that would have been to enquire if these 6 "Messers" were the ones actually managing to keep to their schedules, as this would only be possible if a high degree of "Messing" were employed :rolleyes:
I do hope that was only some Manager under pressure,venting-to-atmosphere rather than indicative of some actual belief.
For my part I would just advise the Management to pay attention to the Queue`s...all the questions and a fair few answers are contained within them....:)
Alek again I would say that I am not in any way suggesting that drivers are a barrier. But I am saying that customers and drivers will look at a timetable from different viewpoints.
The fundamental problem to operating the schedules is the tight running time and it's fairly obvious from the events of the past fortnight that some journeys have not got enough of it.
I would still think that routing the 47 via Nutley Lane offers more business opportunities on a long term basis.0 -
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