Big Freeze Discussion [Happy New Year]

ltdslipdiff

Su Campu wrote: »

Anyone following that convection in the south Irish Sea? It's taken a turn towards the extreme southeast coast in the last hour, following a slight kink in the 700hPa flow. It could just clip Wexford or Rosslare in the next hour or two.

Saw that on the radar...didn't bother getting the hopes up as I live in the tropics (Waterford).

Our man in Havana

arctictree wrote: »

Thats mad. My brother in law drives one of the gritter trucks for Wicklow CC. He has been out non stop for the last two weeks. In fact, they are out gritting at the moment. Can't believe Dublin CC are not doing the same...

It is all about the money. Dublin don't seem to have any.

Min

dbyrne wrote: »

Spent Christmas in Donegal and it wasnt fun with the ice and snow. I can understand why the Donegal council can say they have no grit or salt as they have had this weather for the last 2 - 3 weeks. Spent last sunday with no water before we left to go back to dublin and there are still people without proper water supply still.
Had to go into work today, here in south dublin and south dublin have not gritted the roads at all. Was talking to a lad up at the Merry ploughboy and he said that the council had stopped gritting the roads over christmas as they have no money, this is the first day of snow in dublin and nothing has been done, which is disgraceful. There were no gritters out last night, there were no gritters out today and I am just back in and i havnt seen a gritter at all this evening. You wonder why we pay taxes, business etc pay rates and the councils waste our money and dont provide basic services

What are we going to do if this weather stays and the council doest grit the roads?????

You are only experiencing what we get in rural Ireland, we pay taxes, yet our roads can have deep potholes, they can be iced/snowed up for several days, we never get the roads treated.

I guess everyone will just have to get use to it and fend for ourselves, the councils will only treat certain areas if they have the resources.

ltdslipdiff

Would it be cheaper to offer everyone subsidised snow-tyres?

pistolpetes11

Su Campu wrote: »

Anyone following that convection in the south Irish Sea? It's taken a turn towards the extreme southeast coast in the last hour, following a slight kink in the 700hPa flow. It could just clip Wexford or Rosslare in the next hour or two.

This one ?

Su Campu

People in Wexford you (EDIT: MAY BE!) about to get snow in the next hour!

A convergence line has formed between Ireland and Wales this evening, generating some pretty hefty precipitation. There is a slight 700hPa trough which is steering the showers southwestwards towards the Wexford coast.

dbyrne

Min wrote: »

You are only experiencing what we get in rural Ireland, we pay taxes, yet our roads can have deep potholes, they can be iced/snowed up for several days, we never get the roads treated.

I guess everyone will just have to get use to it and fend for ourselves, the councils will only treat certain areas if they have the resources.

Donegal council were gritting the main roads at least, I was on them and able to drive on them, we didnt even get that in south dublin today, none of the main roads were gritted, i can understand the side roads not been gritted but the main roads have to be.

My drive from donegal to dublin was as follows
donegal - gritted
leitrim - gritted
sligo - gritted
roscommon - gritted
longford - gritted

side roads on all countys, not gritted and leathal. I made that drive twice over christmas up and down so i know how bad it was.

Su Campu

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

This one ?

Shyte, it's probably only rain......oops!

Mothman

Su Campu wrote: »

Anyone following that convection in the south Irish Sea? It's taken a turn towards the extreme southeast coast in the last hour, following a slight kink in the 700hPa flow. It could just clip Wexford or Rosslare in the next hour or two.

Saw this a while back and the way its going quite a substantial part of Wexford may see this shower.

As for what will fall out of it, it may be sleety at coast but any distance inland snow.

Su Campu

Mothman wrote: »

Saw this a while back and the way its going quite a substantial part of Wexford may see this shower.

As for what will fall out of it, it may be sleety at coast but any distance inland snow.

Yeah, M2 was T5.9/DP2.5°C at 21:00.....that's probably rain in that!

Min

dbyrne wrote: »

Donegal council were gritting the main roads at least, I was on them and able to drive on them, we didnt even get that in south dublin today, none of the main roads were gritted, i can understand the side roads not been gritted but the main roads have to be.

My drive from donegal to dublin was as follows
donegal - gritted
leitrim - gritted
sligo - gritted
roscommon - gritted
longford - gritted

side roads on all countys, not gritted and leathal. I made that drive twice over christmas up and down so i know how bad it was.

I see your point, just look at the nra site- http://www.nra.ie/RoadWeatherInfo/Map/data/htm/WeatherTable.htm

Sandyford - ICY, not treated.

Mothman

and the latest radar update wouldn't inspire as much confidence, it seems to have disapated a little and when I said much of Wexford, I left out "coast"

pistolpetes11

Would the M5 buoy not be more applicable to Wexford ? It currently has a negative DP

M5
62094 1 Jan
22:00 1014.8 n/a n/a 5.2 -0.8 65 4 1.1 10.5

eigrod

Anyone brave enough to predict when we're likely to see a thaw and return to positive temperatures in the Eastern part of the country ?

Mothman

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Would the M5 buoy not be more applicable to Wexford ? It currently has a negative DP

M5
62094 1 Jan
22:00 1014.8 n/a n/a 5.2 -0.8 65 4 1.1 10.5

It may be nearer but source air is from nearer M2

francosp

eigrod wrote: »

Anyone brave enough to predict when we're likely to see a thaw and return to positive temperatures in the Eastern part of the country ?

Not anytime soon would be my guess..

pistolpetes11

eigrod wrote: »

Anyone brave enough to predict when we're likely to see a thaw and return to positive temperatures in the Eastern part of the country ?

Looking at the charts that have been posted by the crew on here , we are looking at least another 7 days of it

JanuarySnowstor

I must add my voice to those complaining about lack of gritting
A disgrace is what it is putting drivers, and indeed pedestrians at risk
Yet another example of a leaderless, rudderless country

Su Campu

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Would the M5 buoy not be more applicable to Wexford ? It currently has a negative DP

M5
62094 1 Jan
22:00 1014.8 n/a n/a 5.2 -0.8 65 4 1.1 10.5

M5 is downwind of that system so it doesn't give any insight as to what the system contains. We know that airstream has passed over the M2 buoy, so it's more likely to be similar to those conditions. This would appear to be the case on the Raintoday radar.

pistolpetes11

Su Campu wrote: »

M5 is downwind of that system so it doesn't give any insight as to what the system sontains. We know that airstream has passed over the M2 buoy, so it's more likely to be similar to those conditions. This would appear to be the case on the Raintoday radar.

Cheers ,


Everyday is a lesson in here

Su Campu

I'm going to hedge my bets and say we're going to see some precipitation come up on the radar in the next hour, just west of the Isle of Mann, which may affect the Dublin area. The 700hPa winds are briefly turning northeasterly, which will give a larger sea fetch, which might generate something. They have been northerly all day.

pistolpetes11

Su Campu wrote: »

I'm going to hedge my bets and say we're going to see some precipitation come up on the radar in the next hour, just west of the Isle of Mann, which may affect the Dublin area. The 700hPa winds are briefly turning northeasterly, which will give a larger sea fetch, which might generate something. They have been northerly all day.

You have gone from the Ultimate downgrader to a bit of a Ramper in the last week

Temps took a bit of rise to -2.7 in Newbridge about an hour or two ago but there back down now to -3.6 with a DP of -4.7 .

DO you think that little bit of activity west of the Isle of Man could push in towards my neck of the woods ?

dev_lee

Hi,

Is there a chance Carlow will get snow tonight?

SpitfireIV

dev_lee wrote: »

Hi,

Is there a chance Carlow will get snow tonight?

Nope.....:o

Su Campu

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

You have gone from the Ultimate downgrader to a bit of a Ramper in the last week

Well so have the conditions!

I think if anything did occur it would probably only have time to reach coastal districts as the 700hPa wind is only 15kts and looks to swing back around to northerly/northwesterly by 3am.

owenc

Well what about this trough heading down from Scotland can we expect much snow will it be heavy shold it last long? No one has talked about it

Snowaddict

owenc wrote: »

Well what about this trough heading down from Scotland can we expect much snow will it be heavy shold it last long? No one has talked about it

Owen, depending on your elevation, I would expect sleet rather than snow, with back edge snowfall possible. The latest temperature reports for northern coastal locations are very poor for snowfall, with temperatures well above freezing..

There is a maritime mix of air just ahead of this front, due north of the North coast. As the front slides south it will hit colder air embedded over the land & so has a greater chance of snowfall, however anywhere within 25 miles at least, probably more around 50+ miles of the North coast, I would be very surprised to see anything other than rain or sleet at first, with snow possible later.

It is currently making southward progress, it should be 3AM at least before it is with you.

SA

Tom Cruises Left Nut

Guys... tell me this, whats the best home weather kit to get if you have an interest in keeping track of things ??

Rougies

owenc wrote: »

Well what about this trough heading down from Scotland can we expect much snow will it be heavy shold it last long? No one has talked about it

It'll probably be quite heavy for you, dissipating as it moves south. The problem is it could be rain or sleet, especially for you on the northern coast.

Su Campu

owenc wrote: »

Well what about this trough heading down from Scotland can we expect much snow will it be heavy shold it last long? No one has talked about it

It is generating a good bit of precipitation over Scotland at the moment. The GFS vorticity advection charts hint that this will continue as it reaches the north coast before 6am, so you will see some action - probably snow just inland from the coast.

owenc

Su Campu wrote: »

It is generating a good bit of precipitation over Scotland at the moment. The GFS vorticity advection charts hint that this will continue as it reaches the north coast before 6am, so you will see some action - probably snow just inland from the coast.

This is weird why are people saying just snow inland when right on the coast at eglinton it is -1c and a little bit further inland -3c here it is -4c here now near -5c.. should it be snow here?:(:(

tony1212

is there any sign of the snow heading to limerick....

Rougies

tony1212 wrote: »

is there any sighn of the snow heading to limerick....

Small chance tomorrow. Probably not.

Just looked outside, big ring around the moon, and ye know what they say

Re the lack of gritters in Dublin and other parts of country, could it be we have no money left, because we gave 100 million to Climate Warming:)
:rolleyes:

owenc

Jake1 wrote: »

Just looked outside, big ring around the moon, and ye know what they say

Re the lack of gritters in Dublin and other parts of country, could it be we have no money left, because we gave 100 million to Climate Warming:)
:rolleyes:

They may well be off on holidays (hard to believe but they do!) as last week they were off on holidays on christmas eve and christmas day in ni maybe this is the case in dublin?

Su Campu

owenc wrote: »

This is weird why are people saying just snow inland when right on the coast at eglinton it is -1c and a little bit further inland -3c here it is -4c here now near -5c.. should it be snow here?:(:(

Winds are very calm at the moment up there. With the arrival of the trough winds will pick up, bringing maritime air onshore.

Winger_PL

t|nt|n wrote: »

Guys... tell me this, whats the best home weather kit to get if you have an interest in keeping track of things ??

I suggest checking out this thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055777057

Tom Cruises Left Nut

Winger_PL wrote: »

I suggest checking out this thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055777057

Cheers !!

Su Campu

23Z Dublin TAF gives just a slight chance of light snow showers from 3-7pm tomorrow. No mention of it for Casement.

TAF EIDW 012300Z 0200/0224 27010KT 9999 FEW022 PROB30 0204/0210 0400 FZFG BKN001 PROB30 TEMPO 0215/0219 1500 -SHSN BKN006 BKN017CB BECMG 0219/0221 07008KT=

Similarly low chance of snow for Knock from 2-6pm.

TAF EIKN 012300Z 0200/0224 29006KT 9999 FEW025 PROB30 0200/0211 0300 FZFG BKN001 PROB30 TEMPO 0214/0218 1000 -SHSN BKN005 BKN016CB BECMG 0218/0220 07007KT=

Shannon too, from 7-10pm

TAF EINN 012300Z 0200/0224 VRB03KT 0500 FZFG BKN002 TEMPO 0200/0210 0200 FZFG OVC001 BECMG 0209/0212 26007KT 9999 SCT022 BKN030 PROB30 TEMPO 0219/0222 3000 -SHSN BKN006 BKN017CB=

owenc

owenc wrote: »

They may well be off on holidays (hard to believe but they do!) as last week they were off on holidays on christmas eve and christmas day in ni maybe this is the case in dublin?

Quite possible alright. But they should maybe be called back for duty.
Also, the army could be put to good use.

any one in Lucan qucik look up at the orange lights seriouslY!!! thats 4 ive seen.. wow. they go very high into atmosphere if they are those lanterns..

owenc

Su Campu wrote: »

Winds are very calm at the moment up there. With the arrival of the trough winds will pick up, bringing maritime air onshore.

but how high should this rise the temperatures? its around -5c now

Drapper

Jake1 wrote: »

any one in Lucan qucik look up at the orange lights seriouslY!!! thats 4 ive seen.. wow. they go very high into atmosphere if they are those lanterns..

weather ballons?

peasant

Jake1 wrote: »

Also, the army could be put to good use.

And do what? Shoot at the snow? Or bring back the three sandbags they laid during the floods and empty them over Dublin?

Gritting needs gritters and grit ...neither of which we have in abundance (as they cost rather a lot of money and are normally not really needed that much)

Sue, did you see those lights?? Please someone tell me you did
My partner and I are have just seen four of them.
Ive heard of these but never ever seen them. Im amazed if these lanterns can go so high..
feckity heckity.

Mobhi1

Jake1 wrote: »

any one in Lucan qucik look up at the orange lights seriouslY!!! thats 4 ive seen.. wow. they go very high into atmosphere if they are those lanterns..

I saw something like that last night - moved slowly across the sky then stopped and just faded away.

Su Campu

owenc wrote: »

but how high should this rise the temperatures? its around -5c now

With calm wind and a clear night, the bottom few metres of the atmosphere near the ground can become several degrees colder than just above, easily by 5 degrees. Once the wind starts blowing, this warmer air gets mixed down and temperatures shoot up. But also the fact that sea air will be blown in will be a big factor.

Mobhi1

Mobhi1 wrote: »

I saw something like that last night - moved slowly across the sky then stopped and just faded away.

These appeared to go upwards at an angle. went really really high. Thats the coolest thing Ive seen in a while

Scubadevils

Jake1 wrote: »

Sue, did you see those lights?? Please someone tell me you did
My partner and I are have just seen four of them.
Ive heard of these but never ever seen them. Im amazed if these lanterns can go so high..
feckity heckity.

Myself and my wife saw them last night too, was convinced it was a spaceship or something, turns out they are chinese lanterns. I dropped over to the Astronomy & Space forum to find out!

Tom Cruises Left Nut

So anyone in Wexford seeing any snow / rain ??