Daily Mail go for Gately

The_Minister

I think no-one was surprised that the Daily Mail took a swipe at Gately, but I thought they would have let him get buried first.

Why there was nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death

Firstly, they call his death 'sleazy'

Whatever the cause of death is, it is not, by any yardstick, a natural one. Let us be absolutely clear about this. All that has been established so far is that Stephen Gately was not murdered.

And I think if we are going to be honest, we would have to admit that the circumstances surrounding his death are more than a little sleazy.

Then they link it as the fault of civil partnership:rolleyes:

Another real sadness about Gately's death is that it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships.

Gay activists are always calling for tolerance and understanding about same-sex relationships, arguing that they are just the same as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone, they say, is like George Michael.

Of course, in many cases this may be true. Yet the recent death of Kevin McGee, the former husband of Little Britain star Matt Lucas, and now the dubious events of Gately's last night raise troubling questions about what happened.

It is important that the truth comes out about the exact circumstances of his strange and lonely death.

As a gay rights champion, I am sure he would want to set an example to any impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine.

For once again, under the carapace of glittering, hedonistic celebrity, the ooze of a very different and more dangerous lifestyle has seeped out for all to see.

and to the death of Kevin McGee.
Gotta like the use of the word ooze as well.


and then they are just mean

But, hang on a minute. Something is terribly wrong with the way this incident has been shaped and spun into nothing more than an unfortunate mishap on a holiday weekend, like a broken teacup in the rented cottage.

Consider the way it has been largely reported, as if Gately had gently keeled over at the age of 90 in the grounds of the Bide-a-Wee rest home while hoeing the sweet pea patch.

The sugar coating on this fatality is so saccharine-thick that it obscures whatever bitter truth lies beneath. Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again.

Too soon?
Too harsh?
Or not fast enough and not harsh enough?

It's obvious that some of the spin around Gately's death is a little dishonest, but damn that article is cold.
I have to admit I was surprised to see them come out so fast against Gately.

mike65

Just read that (are you browsing the Guardian blogs as well?!). Real POS from the Daily Fail. Is this in the Orish ed? I bet its not.

Kiera

Did you expect anything else from the Mail? They're a pack of scumbags in that paper.

Borneo Fnctn

What absolute arseholes.

big_show

Derren Brown summed it up well on twitter

Jan Moir manages to walk the difficult tightrope between being a bitch and a c**t

Elessar

Typical sh*te from the Daily Rag.

Although I DO want to know how an otherwise health 33 year old ended up with a pulmonary oedema. Heart failure of some kind is all I can think of. Although there are many causes.

geeky

I feel ill after reading that.

mike65

Elessar wrote: »

Typical sh*te from the Daily Rag.

Although I DO want to know how an otherwise health 33 year old ended up with a pulmonary oedema. Heart failure of some kind is all I can think of. Although there are many causes.

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ejmaztec

The Daily Mail is by far the most popular toilet paper in the northern hemisphere.

It's so full of unfounded bile and sh1t on all kinds of a-z listers, I don't know why anyone would buy the rag.

Any truth found in that "paper" must be purely coincidental.

xzanti

Vultures

deadhead13

mike65 wrote: »

Is this in the Orish ed? I bet its not.

No. They have a "Boyzone will sing at Stephen's funeral" headline on the front page.

herya

Elessar wrote: »

Typical sh*te from the Daily Rag.

Although I DO want to know how an otherwise health 33 year old ended up with a pulmonary oedema. Heart failure of some kind is all I can think of. Although there are many causes.

I understand that pulmonary oedema can be a result of heart failure so that was probably his case.

General Zod

I hate the Daily Mail, but lets not kid ourtselves that this is the article most irish papers would be writing if Steven Gately wasn't Irish.

Steven Gately died due to fluid on the lungs. The cause of this hasn't been determined. but this has nothing to do with who he was married to. The Mail may want to spin this as some sort of Family Values OMG THE GAYS bull**** so they can appeal to the comfortable middle class which is scared of what is different.

And the link to Kevin McGee is disgusting.

Morlar

The_Minister wrote: »

Too soon?
Too harsh?
Or not fast enough and not harsh enough?

No to all of the above.

stovelid

Bunch of fucking ghouls.

fryup

they give away great cds though, like robbie williams last weekend

tricky D

Cheap shot by a cheapsh1t toilet rag, when the fella isn't even in the ground yet

happyfriday

I saw this earlier and was livid!! Tried to comment about what a disgusting women she was and a few other harsh but lets face it true words but of course it was not posted!!! She is just a horrible person, how people can make a living from writing such awful things is disgusting!! This women has not a single ounce of human kindness in her whole disgusting body!! I'm so mad I'm quite shocked!!! Vile, vile vile women!!!! :mad:

The_Minister

Morlar wrote: »

No to all of the above.

So, just right?

Fey!

I saw that article earlier.

Personally, I don't think that it's a direct attack on Gately; I think that it's an indirect attack on the homosexual community by either a homophobe or a closet case.

It's fearmongering at its finest; "if you become a homosexual, your body and mind are going to rot and turn on you".

Regarding what she has spewed forth, could her "article" be construed as hatred enciting?

Nobody deserves to have her diatribe printed about them, and no family needs to endure it at their time of grief.

ejmaztec

fryup wrote: »

they give away great cds though, like robbie williams last weekend

That whining tool.

Every time that gimp tries to make a comeback, he has to tell everybody about his personal problems, in the hope that people will by his stuff out of sympathy.

Morlar

The_Minister wrote: »

So, just right?

It is an article, not a vendetta to fuel a persescution complex. Get over it.

I think considering the 'princess Di' style coverage this persons death has achieved in the cringefully Politically Correct media (including the z-list celebrity/non entity funeral live on sky news) it is not unexpected for at least one publication to buck the trend. Having said that there is nothing particularly offensive in the text. It is not a glowing admiration of his lifestyle or lifeswork for that matter but hardly worth throwing a hissy fit over.



Why there was nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death

The news of Stephen Gately's death was deeply shocking. It was not just that another young star had died pointlessly.

Through the recent travails and sad ends of Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger and many others, fans know to expect the unexpected of their heroes - particularly if those idols live a life that is shadowed by dark appetites or fractured by private vice.

There are dozens of household names out there with secret and not-so-secret troubles, or damaging habits both past and present.

Robbie, Amy, Kate, Whitney, Britney; we all know who they are. And we are not being ghoulish to anticipate, or to be mentally braced for, their bad end: a long night, a mysterious stranger, an odd set of circumstances that herald a sudden death.

In the morning, a body has already turned cold before the first concerned hand reaches out to touch an icy celebrity shoulder. It is not exactly a new storyline, is it?

In fact, it is rather depressingly familiar. But somehow we never expected it of him. Never him. Not Stephen Gately.

In the cheerful environs of Boyzone, Gately was always charming, cute, polite and funny.

A founder member of Ireland's first boy band, he was the group's co-lead singer, even though he could barely carry a tune in a Louis Vuitton trunk.

He was the Posh Spice of Boyzone, a popular but largely decorous addition.

Gately came out as gay in 1999 after discovering that someone was planning to sell a story revealing his sexuality to a newspaper.

Although he was effectively smoked out of the closet, he has been hailed as a champion of gay rights, albeit a reluctant one.

At the time, Gately worried that the revelations might end his ultra-mainstream career as a pin-up, but he received an overwhelmingly positive response from fans. In fact, it only made them love him more.

In 2006, Gately entered into a civil union with internet businessman Andrew Cowles, who had been introduced to him by mutual friends Elton John and David Furnish.

Last week, the couple were enjoying a holiday together in their apartment in Mallorca before their world was capsized.

All the official reports point to a natural death, with no suspicious circumstances. The Gately family are - perhaps understandably - keen to register their boy's demise on the national consciousness as nothing more than a tragic accident.

Even before the post-mortem and toxicology reports were released by the Spanish authorities, the Gatelys' lawyer reiterated that they believed his sudden death was due to natural causes.

But, hang on a minute. Something is terribly wrong with the way this incident has been shaped and spun into nothing more than an unfortunate mishap on a holiday weekend, like a broken teacup in the rented cottage.

Consider the way it has been largely reported, as if Gately had gently keeled over at the age of 90 in the grounds of the Bide-a-Wee rest home while hoeing the sweet pea patch.

The sugar coating on this fatality is so saccharine-thick that it obscures whatever bitter truth lies beneath. Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again.

Whatever the cause of death is, it is not, by any yardstick, a natural one. Let us be absolutely clear about this. All that has been established so far is that Stephen Gately was not murdered.

And I think if we are going to be honest, we would have to admit that the circumstances surrounding his death are more than a little sleazy.

After a night of clubbing, Cowles and Gately took a young Bulgarian man back to their apartment. It is not disrespectful to assume that a game of canasta with 25-year-old Georgi Dochev was not what was on the cards.

Cowles and Dochev went to the bedroom together while Stephen remained alone in the living room.

What happened before they parted is known only to the two men still alive. What happened afterwards is anyone's guess.

A post-mortem revealed Stephen died from acute pulmonary oedema, a build-up of fluid on his lungs.

Gately's family have always maintained that drugs were not involved in the singer's death, but it has just been revealed that he at least smoked cannabis on the night he died.

Nevertheless, his mother is still insisting that her son died from a previously undetected heart condition that has plagued the family.

Another real sadness about Gately's death is that it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships.

Gay activists are always calling for tolerance and understanding about same-sex relationships, arguing that they are just the same as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone, they say, is like George Michael.

Of course, in many cases this may be true. Yet the recent death of Kevin McGee, the former husband of Little Britain star Matt Lucas, and now the dubious events of Gately's last night raise troubling questions about what happened.

It is important that the truth comes out about the exact circumstances of his strange and lonely death.

As a gay rights champion, I am sure he would want to set an example to any impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine.

For once again, under the carapace of glittering, hedonistic celebrity, the ooze of a very different and more dangerous lifestyle has seeped out for all to see.

Lux23

Even if drink/drugs were a contibutory factor in his death what the writer off that article is way off the mark. How on earth can she link tolerance and civil partnerships to a miserable life, any moron can see if a gay man has a lonely life it is probably the result of bigotry and not being able to marry like everyone else. Complete nutjob if you ask me.

ArmaniJeanss

Fey! wrote: »

Regarding what she has spewed forth, could her "article" be construed as hatred enciting?

I doubt it - she doesn't actually say anything thats factually wrong.
She manages to just order those facts in such a way and throw in a few questions, such that its clear to us what she is insinuating, but probably not clearly enough to breach any hate legislation (and probably cleared as such by the Mails lawyers).

"Walking the tightrope btween being a bitch and a c*nt", thats a magic line from Derren Brown.

Goodshape

Really sorry I even took the time to read that.

Euro_Kraut

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I doubt it - she doesn't actually say anything thats factually wrong.

She says his death was not natural contrary to the expert medial verdict of the Spanish pathologist.

She is in one position to second guess that. She calls his death ‘sleazy’ without any evidence to back it up whatsoever.

I don't know how anyone with a conscious could continue to buy this newspaper and fund this type of bile.

herya

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I doubt it - she doesn't actually say anything thats factually wrong.

She does - this is not true from the medical point of view:
"Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again. "

Numerous fit young people actually keel over and die due to sudden and unprovoked heart failure. To state otherwise and therefore suggest his death is suspicious is just ignorant conspiracy. Especially that it was confirmed officially that he died natural death.

And the whole passage on how a gay partnership is harmful just defies logic. Did she pour her vitriol on straight marriage after Fritzl?

Morlar

Goodshape wrote: »

Really sorry I even took the time to read that.

To be honest so am I, it's a non story if ever there was one.

Was it worth a 'mail-bashing' thread though ? I wouldn't have thought so & I don't even read that paper.

AnonoBoy

So in conclusion Jan what are you saying?

......eh... y'know if you're one of the gays and then something happens to you and you die then it's eh..... y'know, because you're a gay and eh.... civil partnership eh.... sleazy clubs eh.... cannabis..... Boyzone..... hybrid cars eh...... gays..... eh...........

Ok Jan - I see you're wallowing in a cesspit of your own feces there. I'll leave you to it but remind me to send you a letter condemning the next family member of yours that dies prematurely you vile muck-racking c*nt.

Bye now!

TheIrishGrover

Folks, it's the Mail.

He was a gay Irishman. Y'know, a terrorist fagg0t. Probably a paedo too, you know all those queers are.........

Kalashnikov_Kid

Goodshape wrote: »

Really sorry I even took the time to read that.

Well I have successfully banned myself from flicking through the print version over here - and really must try to stop reading these little nuggets of loaded tripe online from the Daily Fascist once and for all. I have found that it's just a waste of energy and the end result is invariably the same.

Dozen Wicked Words

Crap column from obnoxious writer but I do find it difficult to understand why a very wealthy young man, with a supposed family history of heart disease, did not get himself checked out to see if he needed to modify his lifestyle or not. Surprised that his insurance company didn't request those tests.

A couple of minor investigations would have shown the health of his heart long before this apparent heart failure.

Poccington

What a useless, fat, vile little woman she is.

markesmith

The daily mail is just garbage, and the Oirish edition is just patronisingly bad.

Elliemental

Normally I`d expect this sort of tripe from the Sun, although it shouldn`t come as a big surprise that the Daily Mail has decided to officially join ranks with the gutter press. They`ve been heading that way for years.
However, was just reading this article in the Guardian aswell, so they`re not getting away with it, exactly.

The Mail is only 2nd to the S*n when it comes to a complete scum newspaper.

Jesus Wept

Has heart failure being cited as the cause of death?

Reflector

My Dad reads that paper, it's a shocking piece of conservative trash.

I'd say the pressures of being a celebrity is more a factor in these young mens death than being in a civil partnership.

In any case if these are tru

• Recreational Drugs
• 6 hour holiday binge
• 3 some in the flat

So what, all these things are something people do or want to do, it's a tragic loss of life and whatever way he went he certainly wasn't known for mad drug induced benders so maybe it was just a once off or maybe he just had a rare condition like that kid who dropped dead on a soccer pitch a few years back.
The daily mail is a disgusting rag, avoid at all costs

herya

dooferoaks wrote: »

A couple of minor investigations would have shown the health of his heart long before this apparent heart failure.

There are no 100% sure tests for SADS unfortunately. Besides, his lifestyle doesn't seem outrageous: he was out late and night, drank some alcohol and had a spliff some time before. It's not like he was found drunk as a skunk and high on heroine.

Dozen Wicked Words

The-Rigger wrote: »

Has heart failure being cited as the cause of death?

Well Pulmonary Oedema is listed as cause, heart failure first stage of same.

Kalashnikov_Kid

rarnes1 wrote: »

The Mail is only 2nd to the S*n when it comes to a complete scum newspaper.

I would put it at the top. At least the Sun is by no means pretentious (It was the Sun wot won it etc.) and it's good for a fap when you're stuck.

The sad thing about the Mail is that thousands of middle-class British households use it as their source of fact and informed opinion. And they have the cheek to print in Ireland (you thought they would have been scared off by the charicatures), only when they see there's money to be had of course.

Captain Havoc

Everyone knows that hetrosexual marriages are full of bliss and each day waking up beside your other half only increases your sense of well being. Gay marriages how as ever will get your lungs full of fluid due to the stress that waking up beside someone of the same sex gives you.

Seriously where is the connection between fluid in the lungs and same sex marriage?

I know someone will make the connection and the joke but my point is a serious one.

Dozen Wicked Words

herya wrote: »

There are no 100% sure tests for SADS unfortunately. Besides, his lifestyle doesn't seem outrageous: he was out late and night, drank some alcohol and had a spliff some time before. It's not like he was found drunk as a skunk and high on heroine.

I was thinking more about his fitness regime and stressful lifestyle generally, not really his holiday where he died. If there was a known family cardiac history surely him/his insurance company would have gone through every test going.

herya

dooferoaks wrote: »

I was thinking more about his fitness regime and stressful lifestyle generally, not really his holiday where he died. If there was a known family cardiac history surely him/his insurance company would have gone through every test going.

Maybe they have? It's not like he was jetting around the world like Madonna after all... Maybe that's why the family were not surprised by it. Just guessing.

BTW The Mail has changed the title. It's "A strange, lonely and troubling death" now. I hope they start getting some backlash.

mike65

The headline has been changed.

Jesus Wept

dooferoaks wrote: »

Well Pulmonary Oedema is listed as cause, heart failure first stage of same.

Ok, thanks.
Was it reported that he choked on his own vomit?
Is this as a cause or result of pulmonary oedema?

The_Minister

mike65 wrote: »

The headline has been changed.

They probably realised they put their foot in it.

herya

The-Rigger wrote: »

Ok, thanks.
Was it reported that he choked on his own vomit?
Is this as a cause or result of pulmonary oedema?

I think it was only hearsay before the official report. Also one of the symptoms of pulmonary oedema is bloody foaming at the mouth.

ArmaniJeanss

herya wrote: »

She does - this is not true from the medical point of view:
"Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again. "
Numerous fit young people actually keel over and die due to sudden and unprovoked heart failure. To state otherwise and therefore suggest his death is suspicious is just ignorant conspiracy. Especially that it was confirmed officially that he died natural death.

And the whole passage on how a gay partnership is harmful just defies logic. Did she pour her vitriol on straight marriage after Fritzl?

You see its just clever words.
Because she is actually right about healthy and fit people not suddenly dying - by definition Stephen Gately or anyone else who dies suddenly at 33 wasn't healthy, there was some underlying timebomb in their system which went off.
They may have been outwardly healthy.

So she hasn't actually lied - she has just managed to subtly imply (without stating it overtly) that his gay lifestyle was something to with his death. Even in so far as to remind us that he died on the sofa whilst his husband was doing unmentionables with another man.

I'll stop now before you think I'm defending the cow

MultiUmm

Jan Moir = White trash.

AnonoBoy

But of course we all know that it's a medical fact that being gay means you won't live past 40.

There's no proof for it but it's a fact.