Hate the English??

marco murphy

No reason to hate English people, half of my family are.

orourkeda

livingtargets wrote: »

My family has more in common with a working class English family than with Seanie Fitzpatrick`s or feckin Bono`s.

But I really hate the Royal Family.Not because they`re English,because they`re a bunch of inbred toff wankbags.I think it`s shameful that such an outdated classist "institution" has been allowed to live into the 21st century.

It`s even more shameful that people here applaud them,even if it is as a kneejerk reaction to Republicanism.I`m definitely not a Nationalist by any stretch but I`d never lower myself to cheering on those ****.Not even to piss off the biggest "fuk da brits" head.

The problem is that "elites" will always exist. They dont necessarily have to be royalty.

Why do you pick on the British Monarchy in Particular? The Netherlands, Spain and Mpnaco to name just a few have royal families.

Elliemental

The general consensus is that NI is a pimple on the arse of humanity.

Not a very nice comment, but it made me laugh rather loudly!!

Stevecw

Seillejet wrote: »

I hated maths more!

I dont think any of us give too much of a f%^K nowadays. When I was younger and less mature and studied Irish History and troubles kicking off then I was a bit of a thick and gave out.

However Im usually quite embarrassed by this inside when I meet English people as there so damn friendly when over here or Im over there.

San Marino people though. Delighted we inflicted Brian Kerr on them.

No, seems we like the San Marino people....its the Faroe Islands we must have the problem with i guess as thats who Kerr is actually managing!!

As for original question, no problem with them at all. Although it can be fun to seem them lose in World Cups etc but thats due to being hyped like crazy by media as soon as they qualify more than anything.

aDeener

snyper wrote: »

i dont hate anyone.

I dislike certain sections of english society as equally as i dislike the same in Irish society.

Like it or Loath it, Britain has being good to this little pissant of a county over the years

:eek:

the bad far outweighs any good done

Agricola

No, I dont hate the English. At the moment theres enough Irish people to direct your hatred toward!

The 800 years and what went on during the famine will never be forgotten and shouldnt be, but we have to move on. Being bitter and twisted gets no-one anywhere.
As for the North, I believe if Nationalism ever gets a majority and a referendum is held, Britain wouldnt stand in the way of reunification. Its not the English that are the problem, its the hardcore, dyed in the wool unionists in the North. I think it will take afew generations, and it wont happen until such time that the troubles are ancient history and are just something kids learn about in history class.

PrettyBoy

I like English people for the most part but a lot of them have this prickish attitude where they think they're all God's gift. As far as they're concerned England/GB/UK is the greatest country that's ever existed. It can be seen especially when you are in a foreign country during the summer - English go into the country and all of a sudden think they own the place. It wrecks my head how some of the lads (young and old) go around parading the union jack, be it a shirt, tattoo or beach towel.

They think they're invincible and I love nothing more than seeing them being brought back down to earth, be it through losing an argument or getting a good hiding, usually the latter. Then there's the type that still considers Britain to be a global superpower, comparable to the US or China for instance.

Watching Sky or Bravo any night of the week what a shower of muppets some of them are. The likes of "Britains Hardest Pubs", "Brits Boozing Abroad" and even "Road Wars" are enough to make any other nation breath a sigh of relief and say "Thank **** we're not like them".

Football hooligan seems to be a desired hobby in the UK, since films like Green Street and The Firm came out years ago. Of course, the hooligan Brits in these movies got their heads kicked in at the end. I had to laugh when fights broke out at West Ham V Millwall a few weeks ago. These guys thought they were the real 'Green Street Elite'! I don't even have to mention the movie 'This Is England' because it is just too painfully accurate in portraying the lives of certain English minorities, both in the past and present.

The Queen is a joke, nobody acknowledges Price Charles since he married Camilla and was accused of being behind his wifes death and William and Harry are more socialites than future Kings. William seems OK (traditional English stereotype: quiet, reserved, mannerly and well spoken) but Harry? That Ginger twat thinks he's a rebel!? If I was William I would have given him a few digs and told him to stop being such a little attention whore.

Most English are OK, it's just a few 'ard men that give them a bad name.

getz

good post,now just just change the names and the country, and this could be ireland to day

LordSutch

Several previous posters have said that 'as kids' they were taught to hate the English !!!

Where, and by who was this hatred of the English taught? > at School? at home? or elsewhere?

DamoDLK

PrettyBoy wrote: »

...Then there's the type that still considers Britain to be a global superpower, comparable to the US or China for instance.....

Does the 'G8' mean anything to you chap?

20goto10

No but I do hate Irish people. Moany, ignorant begudgers. I can put my finger on exactly what it is. People get an idea, usually something that is completely wrong and it spreads like wildfire and becomes fact forthe mere reason that everyone says so. Add to that superstition and religious mumbo jumbo. This country is full of ****ing idiots.

ejmaztec

Camelot wrote: »

Several previous posters have said that 'as kids' they were taught to hate the English !!!

Where, and by who was this hatred of the English taught? > at School? at home? or elsewhere?

I know a guy who, for whatever reason, was brought up by his grand-parents, his grandfather in particular teaching him to hate the British as much as he did. Now, the grandson, whenever anything to do with the British comes into the conversation, lets rip with the same ranting poisonous lines.

The irony in this guy's case is that he was born in England, but seems to have forgotten this minor point.

major bill

i dont hate the english i enjoy their company and always got on well with them when abroad.

when it comes to sport however thats a differant story reasons been their media drive me to dislike it.

Alessandra

I don't. I am receiving a good education in England and paying next to nothing for it. So I love them:)

KevR

Camelot wrote: »

Several previous posters have said that 'as kids' they were taught to hate the English !!!

Where, and by who was this hatred of the English taught? > at School? at home? or elsewhere?

I had a Northern Irish teacher for one year of primrary school and I would be surprised if his hatred of English people didn't brush off on some kids in the class.

I personally have family who are English, have some brilliant English friends and have had many enjoyable visits to England.

I know what English people hundreds of years ago did to us was terrible but any English person alive today has been nothing but nice to me so I have great time for them.

LordSutch

KevR wrote: »

I know what English people hundreds of years ago did to us was terrible but any English person alive today has been nothing but nice to me so I have great time for them.

I presume you mean Cromwell ?

getz

Camelot wrote: »

Several previous posters have said that 'as kids' they were taught to hate the English !!!

Where, and by who was this hatred of the English taught? > at School? at home? or elsewhere?

it was mainly in the catholic schooling , i am english and at one time of my life ,my mother took me over to ireland[donegal] for 6 months when she went over to nurse a sick friend, and for a time it was good and i made many friends[i was 12 years old]i loved football but i was quickly told by the brothers that i couldent kick my football around at school ;because it was a not a gaelic sport and only played by the [and i quote british protestants] from that moment on, wasent i glad to go back home,also history lessons were [1950] given a different slant, i think if i had stayed in ireland any longer i would have felt like a jewish boy in nazi germany in 1940,

Hank Scorpio

God awful accents really piss me off

ejmaztec

getz wrote: »

it was mainly in the catholic schooling , i am english and at one time of my life ,my mother took me over to ireland[donegal] for 6 months when she went over to nurse a sick friend, and for a time it was good and i made many friends[i was 12 years old]i loved football but i was quickly told by the brothers that i couldent kick my football around at school ;because it was a not a gaelic sport and only played by the [and i quote british protestants] from that moment on, wasent i glad to go back home,also history lessons were [1950] given a different slant, i think if i had stayed in ireland any longer i would have felt like a jewish boy in nazi germany in 1940,

Were you the boy in the striped pyjamas?:eek:

The_B_Man

i reckon this hatred is more towards the entity that is "The English" rather than any individual english person.
Sometimes, in teenagers, this entity gets confused with real english people, or media figures and they take it out on them.
From my experience, the especially uneducated of these teenagers grow up into twentysomethings and continue this hatred on, instead of doing what the rest of us do, which is aknowledging our past, understanding it, accepting it, but not directing our anger towards the modern english. We all have a right to be angry coz it was wrong what happened, but we just come across as dicks if we give english people **** now!

me_right_one

20goto10 wrote: »

No but I do hate Irish people. Moany, ignorant begudgers. I can put my finger on exactly what it is. People get an idea, usually something that is completely wrong and it spreads like wildfire and becomes fact forthe mere reason that everyone says so. Add to that superstition and religious mumbo jumbo. This country is full of ****ing idiots.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the definition if Irony:rolleyes:

getz

ejmaztec wrote: »

Were you the boy in the striped pyjamas?:eek:

CYRIL is that you ?i havent seen you in years,did you manage to get compensation against father murphy ?

Terrontress

I think it's fair enough in sporting terms to enjoy seeing the English being hammered as they are the nearest rival of any significance. Look at club football, the Man City fans love to see Man U's misfortune. Everton and Liverpool, Villa and Birmingham etc. Even local teams in towns throughout Ireland will revel in the defeat of their nearest neighbour.

This sort of friendly rivalry can continue with no reference to politics and history and is healthy to my mind.

The fact that a lot of the most significant Irish footballers were born in England and the rest have upped sticks and moved there at the first opportunity clouds the issue a bit though I suppose.

But there is nothing hypocritical in my mind in supporting Rooney in a Man U shirt and then laughing as he gets red carded in an England one.

ejmaztec

The_B_Man wrote: »

i reckon this hatred is more towards the entity that is "The English" rather than any individual english person.
Sometimes, in teenagers, this entity gets confused with real english people, or media figures and they take it out on them.
From my experience, the especially uneducated of these teenagers grow up into twentysomethings and continue this hatred on, instead of doing what the rest of us do, which is aknowledging our past, understanding it, accepting it, but not directing our anger towards the modern english. We all have a right to be angry coz it was wrong what happened, but we just come across as dicks if we give english people **** now!

That's the problem with some people thinking that Cromwell and the Black and Tans are still alive.:eek:

stovelid

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh. The only thing english about it is its based there. Its owned, supported and played mainy by foreigners.
Plus most Irish people follow it for entertainment reasons only, no 'loyalty' if your understand me.

Sweet mother of Jesus.

ejmaztec

getz wrote: »

CYRIL is that you ?i havent seen you in years,did you manage to get compensation against father murphy ?

No, he asked if I wanted to be paid in arrears, and I told him it was his interest in rears that got him in trouble in the first place.

panda100

Elliemental wrote: »

Forgive my first post in this thread, I was being facetious. I can`t say whether Irish people hate the English, but I am an English person living in Ireland, and have been for eleven years now. In all that time i`ve only ever had one nasty remark, while I was at work (as a barmaid). The next afternoon, the person who made that remark had sobered up, came to the bar and finding me not there, asked when my next shift was, and he actually did return again, and apologised for his behaviour. The only other times my nationality has been remarked upon have been the occaisional request from friends to `teach` them my scouse accent!?! (Why on earth would anyone what to speak with a Scouse accent?)

Bit different having a Scouser accent than having a posh English accent though.
I grew up in London but am Irish, I still have a fairly posh English accent.
I would say I encounter a derogatory remark about England and my accent at least once a year.
Last one would have been at the Meath V Limerick game in Portlaoise. I was shouting for my brother,who was playing for Limerick, and a Meath fan told me to f*ck of back to England. It is kind of hurtful when you hear things like that as Im Irish and its not nice being judged on your accent.

I find on the whole though English and Irish people get on very well because they have similar sense of humours, a lot in common,and they both like their booze,that helps a lot too

djScarey wrote: »

I think the type of Englishman that people hate is almost an extinct species. When anyone talks of hating English people in this day and age, they are talking of hating someone who has multiple backgrounds, including that of generational experience of being on the wrong side of cultural and racial oppression and colonialism. Fact: Mohammad (-ed) is the second most common first name of new-borns in England over the last 15 years. It's hard to hate someone who's not sure who he is anymore.

And?
Are you saying that an increase in the Muslim population in England has meant that English people have lost their identity?

I grew up in London during the 80's when there was still a very small Muslim poulation and England had no identity then. English culture has been eroded not because of immigrants but for their embracment of American culture and consumerism. Same thing is happening now in Ireland too.
I think you'll find that most immigrant are very respectful to the cultures of the county they live in.

getz

ejmaztec wrote: »

No, he asked if I wanted to be paid in arrears, and I told him it was his interest in rears that got him in trouble in the first place.

it was a bum rap anyway

Fratton Fred

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

The Premier League is not really an 'english' thing tbh. The only thing english about it is its based there. Its owned, supported and played mainy by foreigners.
Plus most Irish people follow it for entertainment reasons only, no 'loyalty' if your understand me.

Good old catholic guilt eh? how you live with it is up to you I suppose

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

I don't hate the English.

But I do hate their colonial history. I hate the selective reasoning used by many to excuse this history. I hate bigots. I hate racists. I hate being at the butt end of predicatable Paddy/potato jokes. I hate having to explain to people that there is no place called Southern Ireland and that yes indeed we are in the Euro. I hate myself and my hometown being labelled in a derogatory manner (many times by Irish too funnily enough). I hate the way many view nationalism as a dirty word. I hate the condescending post-colonial attitudes of many English people I experience in day-to-day life. I hate having being refused work in the past mainly on the basis that I may be white enough, but not quite English enough. I hate the racist bile that passes for news on the Daily Mail/Express, and the fact that thousands of English believe in this.

But I understand now that much of this is in fact not deliberate ignorance but as a result of a genuine ill-educated and insecure viewpoint. What people forget that the average English person knows jack about their history and that the little they know is one-sided, but often they genuinely don't know any better. The British psyche in general is largely a superiority complex. Still p1sses me off at times though.

Aah, what's up Mick, did someone nick your spuds?:D


Come one guys, you're slipping, 16 pages of this ****e and no ones wheeled out the "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" sign yet

laugh

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Good old catholic guilt eh? how you live with it is up to you I suppose



Aah, what's up Mick, did someone nick your spuds?:D


Come one guys, you're slipping, 16 pages of this ****e and no ones wheeled out the "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" sign yet

Feckin Fwedewic.