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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2009-2011
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11-08-2009 3:49pm#1
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I wouldn't agree Buck65! As was mentioned before...
...the Waterford minors and u-21 were in munster finals with the minors winning theirs and De La Salle college won back to back Harty cups in a previously unheard of underage scene.
Maybe a year or two of transition but then a second wind of Waterford hurling to come me-thinks!
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Not to mention colleges in Lismore and Dungarvan cleaning up at their respective grades in Munster. This is the brightest the future has looked for Waterford hurling in decades to be honest. The fruits of the initial success of the past decade is now there for all to see with the next generation being inspired by the Tony Browne's and Ken McGraths of their youth to take up the game. Success breeds success, its up to the county board to take measures to ensure as many young lads can be encouraged into the game and development panels and training seminars set up county wide from a young age.I wouldn't agree Buck65! As was mentioned before...
...the Waterford minors and u-21 were in munster finals with the minors winning theirs and De La Salle college won back to back Harty cups in a previously unheard of underage scene.
Maybe a year or two of transition but then a second wind of Waterford hurling to come me-thinks!
It would be disastrous if we slipped back now with so much headway made in the same way that Wexford, Offaly and Clare did after their stunning triumphs in the mid to late 90's.0 -
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I feel the future is bright. I do believe though that time has come for a parting of the ways with Davy. Probably best for all concerned, I think he has gotten the most he can get from this team, and in turn he's picked up a lot of experience that will stand to him. Personally I'd say thanks for everything Davy and best of luck for the future (if he does stay on though I'd give him my full support next year)
The underage has been mentioned a lot, and its important that some of these players are brought through but brought through correctly. No point in having a repeat of 93, when after winning the U-21 all Ireland a raft of changes happened at senior level and we went out and got beat by Kerry at Walsh Park! Blood them in the league games alongside experienced players. Do the right thing, do the simple thing.
We need to find a full back, Fives is a candidate, but it would be a big repsonsibility for one so young. A memo needs to go out to the clubs - have people at games to see the full backs in particular, while not forgetting other positions completely of course.
In terms of a replacement for Davy, well we are in a healthy spot compared to last year, when no one would have touched us with a barge pole. Now with the bones of a strong team in place, a lot of promising underage players, we are something which the likes of Loughnane, O Grady etc would be interested in. I wouldnt rule out a raid and get a KK manager in, we could do with some of that KK ethos I believe. Cork men helped us to Munster titles, perhaps a KK man could get us an All Ireland title. Finally dont forget the locals, Kevin Ryan in particular
As for retirements, I dont see a lot. Perhaps Dan if he doesnt have the desire to do it all for subs starting position, maybe Ken if he doesnt recover fully from the injury. I have it from a very good source that Tony Browne is going no where!
And going on his displays this year he doesnt need to.
In summary, get the right people in, dont be afraid to use the entire panel, blood some new faces to senior level.
The futures bright, the future's blue and white!0 -
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Decided to create this thread as an extension of the AI semi match discussion as that's slowly turning this direction anyway.
Suppose the main questions to be asked over the coming months are...- Is Davy Fitz the right man to lead us? And if not (or he decides to pack it in), who should we replace him with?
- If Davy does stays on, what changes in his approach to the game should he make next year? Similarly, if a new man comes in, should he make wholesale changes to our panel and focus on the younger players, or are only minimal switches required to deliver an All-Ireland?
- Could or should any of the current panel retire, and which players from the starting 15 should be dropped to make way for the youngsters coming through?
- Which of the minors/U21s do you expect to make a big impact next year?
- How would you like to see us line up for the start of the 2010 campaign, and how well do you see us doing?
Hmmm I think I'd leave Davy on, I don't know who we'd replace him with and if he was to go there'd be war about who the next manager would be. In Waterford, not in Waterford. Young, old, east or west of waterford......
I think keep him on another year then deal with all this..
My prefernce would be Donal O Grady but he doesn't seem intrested
I think he has the team fitter then ever and thats good for the young lads but not the likes of Ken and Tony, they dont need much hard phiscial stuff. I think training should start back the start of next year and work on the fitness again but I think a bit more skill has to be worked on, that first stuff and all that.
I think a few of the curret senior panel should only be brought on for some league matches so they have a mixed team of experienced and young. I think Tony and Ken need only be brought on for few games(provided they both stay on) I think the likes of Maurice,Casey, Foley, Power, Connors and a few of them need these games. But they need these games with some experienced players, not to have the whole under 21 team playing at once.
Not sure about next year but in the coming years I expect Maurice, Connors, Power and Foley to feature and be more productive. I know people are saying Ryan but he's to small for now, he'll be cleaned out of it.
Obviously I'd hope for the best but I dunno how we will line out.. Depends whos performing. I'd love to see the Bull playing but I wouldn't hold my breath...0 - Is Davy Fitz the right man to lead us? And if not (or he decides to pack it in), who should we replace him with?
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And unfortunately it looks like midfield will be even weaker next year. Molumphys off to Chad for a year in Oct I believeSpeaking of Phelan, whats the story there? I find it hard to fathom how a guy who was so massively influential in helping get his club to an All Ireland doesn't feature at all, even as a sub, in our entire campaign? Was there a falling out with management? Its even more confusing when you consider midfield wouldn't have been our strongest area this year and he's been outstanding there for De La Salle all year.
I think this is ridiculous.He didnt even have a jersey sunday(was in a blue training top).He mightnt be the most skillful but hes an influential player wholl do the job he has to do. He'll never get a look in with davy there though :mad:0 -
Ultimate Chin wrote: »And unfortunately it looks like midfield will be even weaker next year. Molumphys off to Chad for a year in Oct I believe
If thats true thats a massive loss. He's been absolutely immense for us this year and the amount of unheralded work he does around the pitch often goes unnoticed. I'd go so far as to say hes one of our top three most important players, more so than even Mullane or Kelly.0 -
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Which we have and have been talking aboutNevermind the current team or manager, Waterford have to build up the supply line.
Look at Kilkenny for the last few years, winning at every level, U-21, Minor, Intermediate, etc. This year, again, still in there at every level. Other counties have to realise to be in with a shout, you have to nurture talent at every level and not just concentrate on the senior team.
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Ultimate Chin wrote: »And unfortunately it looks like midfield will be even weaker next year. Molumphys off to Chad for a year in Oct I believe
I had heard he'd be gone for a few months, miss most of the league but be back in time for the Championship. Guess we won't know for sure until we hear it from the man himself.
Personally, I think Davy should go too, but only if we get in Donal O'Grady to replace him. As has been posted before, he's absolutely perfect for the job. He's the one manager from outside the county that probably knows the team inside out going from our meetings with Cork down the years, and he's a highly skilled tactician that worked wonders with the Rebels.
As strange as it sounds, I'd be wary of bringing in someone from the inside, like Jim Greene. Just too much baggage for my liking, and after going with a rookie in Davy it's imperative his replacement would be someone who's proven at this level. With that respect, O'Grady ticks all the boxes. A few years ago I would have jumped at the prospect of someone like Ger Loughnane, but his stint at Galway sullied my opinion of him. Still a great analyst though. That said, if I was told O'Grady was a no-goer, then by all means lets stick with Davy for another year and give him our full backing.
I agree our half forward line needs sorting out next year, finding 1-2 strong guys in that area of the field that can score a few points a game is just as important as getting the full back line sorted out. That's why Moran was moved up there, to add a bit of needed physicality and it actually worked out very well. But he alone is not the solution to our problems, but him and Eoin Kelly in the half forwards together might be.
There's still the question of Ken next year though, what are we going to do with him?! It would seem mad to move Brick out of half back now given his performances this year, but I don't think Ken has the pace for playing a part in the forward line anymore, or midfield for that matter. That said, you can't just drop a player like Ken McGrath. I'd be inclined to move him back in his natural HB with Brick in midfield (for a few league games anyway) and see how it turns out.
As for our starting 15 next year, I'd like to see something like this:
Power
Murphy----Kearney---Connors
Browne
Ken
Foley
Brick
Sully
Kelly
Moran--Molumphy
Mullane--M.Shanahan---Walsh
Of course it's extremely hard to predict a line-up so far in advance with the league still to get through first, but thats how I'd call it at the moment. A part of me would absolutely love to see a midfield pairing of Brick and Molumphy, but I expect Sully to improve even more next year and he doesn't have whats required to play in the forwards.
Then on top of those 15 guys you'll have young guys like Shane Casey, Thomas Ryan, Philip Mahony, Thomas Connors and one or two others making an impact. I'll admit I haven't seen much Kindgeran so I can't really comment on whether he's up for it, but it would be a huge ask for Fives to come in at FB next. Maybe a year or two too early for him. Don't forget about Jake Dillion too. Only 16 years of age and he was absolutely immense in the minor munster final. He won't figure next year, but its just a sign of the kind of players we've got coming through down here 0 -
Ultimate Chin wrote: »And unfortunately it looks like midfield will be even weaker next year. Molumphys off to Chad for a year in Oct I believe
I was reading an interview with Molumphy in some newspaper a week or 2 ago, and also speaking to a friend whose other half is in the army too, the mission to Chad is only for 3-4 months, and they are due to go out mid September or October, so Molumphy should be back around January/February.I had heard he'd be gone for a few months, miss most of the league but be back in time for the Championship. Guess we won't know for sure until we hear it from the man himself.0 -
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