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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    By the way, did the cameras catch O'Connor taking a swing at a Kerry player in the first half. By the letter of the law it should have been red. Would have made for a very different game. Referees decisions tend to balance themselves out. Everyone is complaining about the penalty but Mark Collins took about 10 steps in the lead up to the first goal. Very easy to pick out a pass if you can carry the ball as long as you like.

    I won't deny that the Kerry penalty wasn't deserved, but the idea that it cost Cork the game is a bit silly. Cork should have won the game but went overly defensive instead of looking for that killer score. Colm O'Neills miss didn't help either.

    Fionn is blessed he score the point because defensively he cost us 2-2. First and second goals came from getting caught on the wrong side of O'Connor and burned for pace.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    DDC1990 wrote: »
    By the way, did the cameras catch O'Connor taking a swing at a Kerry player in the first half. By the letter of the law it should have been red. Would have made for a very different game. Referees decisions tend to balance themselves out. Everyone is complaining about the penalty but Mark Collins took about 10 steps in the lead up to the first goal. Very easy to pick out a pass if you can carry the ball as long as you like.

    I won't deny that the Kerry penalty wasn't deserved, but the idea that it cost Cork the game is a bit silly. Cork should have won the game but went overly defensive instead of looking for that killer score. Colm O'Neills miss didn't help either.

    Fionn is blessed he score the point because defensively he cost us 2-2. First and second goals came from getting caught on the wrong side of O'Connor and burned for pace.

    how many Kerry players caught Corkmen around the neck, 4 or 5 at least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    how many Kerry players caught Corkmen around the neck, 4 or 5 at least.

    A high tackle is and always has been a yellow card.

    A strike or attempted strike is a Red Card.

    Also 3 Kerrymen made high tackles, Buckley, O'Brien and Donaghy, all got yellow cards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Figsy32


    DDC1990 wrote: »
    A high tackle is and always has been a yellow card.

    A strike or attempted strike is a Red Card.

    Also 3 Kerrymen made high tackles, Buckley, O'Brien and Donaghy, all got yellow cards.

    Donaghy also threw a nice looking elbow at Cadogan. There were plenty of those sort of incidents on both sides. Depending where people were sitting you see different things. Impossible for the red to keep up with off the ball stuff like that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭wackokid


    FatRat wrote: »
    Kerry's bench contains:

    21 All-Irelands
    17 All stars
    2 Players of the year
    1 Young player of the year
    4 All-Ireland Motm awards

    Wow :eek:

    Frightening bench for sure, or is it scary?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Gary Neville


    wackokid wrote: »
    Frightening bench for sure, or is it scary?

    Proves the point - they can't do much, sitting on their holes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Figsy32 wrote: »
    Donaghy also threw a nice looking elbow at Cadogan. There were plenty of those sort of incidents on both sides. Depending where people were sitting you see different things. Impossible for the red to keep up with off the ball stuff like that.

    Of course. If it's off the ball you have to hope the linesman and umpires help them. The O'Connor one was right In front of Hughes. Its those ones you'd hope the referee would have the bottle to call. At the very least he should have hopped the ball. O'Connor nearly decapitated Walsh from the resultant kick out and escaped a card for that as well.

    Anyway there is no point complaining about the referee. A good refereeing performance these days is as rare as hens teeth. But it's good to vent I suppose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Gary Neville


    FitzM has been excellent tactically but today wasn't one of his better days.
    Barry O Driscoll had a field day and was never picked up - unlike FitzM.

    Kerry have 6 guys that can play at MF - Maher, T Walsh, Donaghy, Sheehan, Buckley, Moran - yet had only one of them at MF for the last 15 mins - pretty poor stuff even allowing for Moran's black.

    AFAIK - the loser of the replay, plays a week later and if they win, a week later too in QF prob v Dubs. Tough ask.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    FitzM has been excellent tactically but today wasn't one of his better days.
    Barry O Driscoll had a field day and was never picked up - unlike FitzM.

    Kerry have 6 guys that can play at MF - Maher, T Walsh, Donaghy, Sheehan, Buckley, Moran - yet had only one of them at MF for the last 15 mins - pretty poor stuff even allowing for Moran's black.

    AFAIK - the loser of the replay, plays a week later and if they win, a week later too in QF prob v Dubs. Tough ask.

    Does that not tell you something

    You kind answered your own logic there
    Fit didn't become that poor manager one game he clearly wanted test panel depth like Gavin doing with the dubs


    It nearly back fired but he won't be that naive in the replay
    He should made just two changes but five was too much


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Must look at the Sunday game but we got out of jail. It's a game that Cork ought to have won, yet I would have felt slightly hard done by as a Kerryman given our complete dominance for most of the first half, as DDC1990 already mentioned.

    Losing Moran was huge, particularly when the combination of Maher taking some time to find his feet & Kealys kickouts followed it. It gave Cork the platform to dominate midfield and take control of the game, and when you supply footballers like O'Neill, Goulding, Hurley with enough ball, they'll hurt you. With that said -first half, Marc O'Sé was phenomenal, I was down the other end of the field but you could see him sweeping across and reading the game fantastically.

    As has already been said, we didn't show enough hunger for the breaks - I desperately wanted BJK to swap out to the wing & have Geaney come in, felt like O'Brien didn't offer us a huge pile today.

    It was a fantastic game to take in, hard luck to Cork, I'm off to find some aftersun, I've a dirty red terrace head up on me :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    There is definitely some curse/ hoodoo on Cork teams that have come to Killarney since 1995. Just can't get over the line when in commanding positions. I must give it to Kerry though class team eventhough they werent at the races today. They will never be as bad in the replay.


  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭rvpalldway


    does anyone know what time the replay is on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,155 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    rvpalldway wrote: »
    does anyone know what time the replay is on

    5pm is what I'm hearing


  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭rvpalldway


    mickeyk wrote: »
    5pm is what I'm hearing
    ok ta


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Gary Neville


    D'Agger wrote: »
    Must look at the Sunday game but we got out of jail. It's a game that Cork ought to have won, yet I would have felt slightly hard done by as a Kerryman given our complete dominance for most of the first half, as DDC1990 already mentioned.

    Losing Moran was huge, particularly when the combination of Maher taking some time to find his feet & Kealys kickouts followed it. It gave Cork the platform to dominate midfield and take control of the game, and when you supply footballers like O'Neill, Goulding, Hurley with enough ball, they'll hurt you. With that said -first half, Marc O'Sé was phenomenal, I was down the other end of the field but you could see him sweeping across and reading the game fantastically.

    As has already been said, we didn't show enough hunger for the breaks - I desperately wanted BJK to swap out to the wing & have Geaney come in, felt like O'Brien didn't offer us a huge pile today.

    It was a fantastic game to take in, hard luck to Cork, I'm off to find some aftersun, I've a dirty red terrace head up on me :pac:


    I'd agree with most of your post apart from that bit highlighted. Kerry dominated about 15 minutes before HT. Very fortunate to stay in touch in the first quarter - their first score was never a point IMO - Buckley was stripped of possession twice in the 1st half and got 2 very soft frees IMO. The 1st goal was a gift and was down mainly to Cronin's inexperience. He is only 19 and was 18 when the season started - very young for a defender to play v AI champs - bound to be raw.

    Cork got a few iffy frees too - Hurley got 1 and I couldn't see any infindgement. The penalty decison was a disgrace IMO - never a foul - FitzM agreed - I've a lot of time for that man - no bull****.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    I'd agree with most of your post apart from that bit highlighted. Kerry dominated about 15 minutes before HT. Very fortunate to stay in touch in the first quarter - their first score was never a point IMO - Buckley was stripped of possession twice in the 1st half and got 2 very soft frees IMO. The 1st goal was a gift and was down mainly to Cronin's inexperience. He is only 19 and was 18 when the season started - very young for a defender to play v AI champs - bound to be raw.

    Cork got a few iffy frees too - Hurley got 1 and I couldn't see any infindgement. The penalty decison was a disgrace IMO - never a foul - FitzM agreed - I've a lot of time for that man - no bull****.

    Fair enough. I was extremely confident at half time. Everything was going to plan. We'd coped well with Cork's early blitz, took over around the middle, started to control things and then stepped it up on the scoreboard. While most of the scores came in that 15min stretch, I felt our plan was executed to perfection.

    The second half, Cork kicked on and we looked shell shocked. But we kept within 3 at all stages and never let the game get out of hand.

    The penalty was fortuitous. There was a pull down from Collins after James had touched the ball away from him, but it was fairly unavoidable. I wouldn't have been happy if it were awarded against us. In fact the challenge on Geaney in the square in the lead up to his goal chance was more of a penalty IMO, but he made an honest effort to stay on his feet.

    It was like watching Cork of 2010, with Alan O'Connor, Donnacha O'Connor and Paddy Kelly playing top class football. The dual sweeper system suits your backs who can be got at when exposed. There was great cover for them all day.

    Corks pace and fitness were incredible. However I feel Kerry are not near peak fitness yet, whereas Cork appeared to be. I'd hope to see Kerry being a bit faster, a bit fitter and 100% hungrier for the ball next Saturday week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Gary Neville


    DDC1990 wrote: »
    Fair enough. I was extremely confident at half time. Everything was going to plan. We'd coped well with Cork's early blitz, took over around the middle, started to control things and then stepped it up on the scoreboard. While most of the scores came in that 15min stretch, I felt our plan was executed to perfection.

    The second half, Cork kicked on and we looked shell shocked. But we kept within 3 at all stages and never let the game get out of hand.

    The penalty was fortuitous. There was a pull down from Collins after James had touched the ball away from him, but it was fairly unavoidable. I wouldn't have been happy if it were awarded against us. In fact the challenge on Geaney in the square in the lead up to his goal chance was more of a penalty IMO, but he made an honest effort to stay on his feet.

    It was like watching Cork of 2010, with Alan O'Connor, Donnacha O'Connor and Paddy Kelly playing top class football. The dual sweeper system suits your backs who can be got at when exposed. There was great cover for them all day.

    Corks pace and fitness were incredible. However I feel Kerry are not near peak fitness yet, whereas Cork appeared to be. I'd hope to see Kerry being a bit faster, a bit fitter and 100% hungrier for the ball next Saturday week.

    Certainly things worked to perfection but IMO Kerry were severely rattled until Cronin/Shields gifted the goal - Kerry took over then and kicked some great scores - the goal seemed to settle them and un-nerve Cork. But IMO there was an element of luck involved - u don't expect that kind of gift at IC level but that's twice now in recent times for Kerry. Buckley did dispossess very well and Donaghly finished expertly.

    I fully expected Kerry to drive on and Cork to collapse - the wind seemed fairly strong but instead Kerry collapsed. Moran was a huge loss and he was dominating.

    Kerry were well off full fitness - JOD, Cooper, D Walsh, Murphy etc have little played and I'd say Kerry want to peak later. Sheehan doesn't look fit to me either.

    Kerry will be much improved the next day and someone will be detailed to pick up Barry O Driscoll's runs. Can Cork improve too ? I think Tom Clancy will add a lot to our defence and Cronin will be much better with a big game under his belt. Kerrigan was a big loss and Collins was very poor in going up for the ball in that incident.

    I think that Cork will go down with a lot of confidence and will win another very tight game but Kerry got the luck today - it relaly depends on who gets it the next day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    I'd agree with most of your post apart from that bit highlighted. Kerry dominated about 15 minutes before HT. Very fortunate to stay in touch in the first quarter - their first score was never a point IMO - Buckley was stripped of possession twice in the 1st half and got 2 very soft frees IMO. The 1st goal was a gift and was down mainly to Cronin's inexperience. He is only 19 and was 18 when the season started - very young for a defender to play v AI champs - bound to be raw.

    Cork got a few iffy frees too - Hurley got 1 and I couldn't see any infindgement. The penalty decison was a disgrace IMO - never a foul - FitzM agreed - I've a lot of time for that man - no bull****.


    Just a point to be clear on
    Cronin was born in October 1995 and it makes him nineteenth as you say

    But season started after then with McGrath cup so he's nineteenth not eighteen as you said when season started


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Certainly things worked to perfection but IMO Kerry were severely rattled until Cronin/Shields gifted the goal - Kerry took over then and kicked some great scores - the goal seemed to settle them and un-nerve Cork. But IMO there was an element of luck involved - u don't expect that kind of gift at IC level but that's twice now in recent times for Kerry. Buckley did dispossess very well and Donaghly finished expertly.

    I fully expected Kerry to drive on and Cork to collapse - the wind seemed fairly strong but instead Kerry collapsed. Moran was a huge loss and he was dominating.

    Kerry were well off full fitness - JOD, Cooper, D Walsh, Murphy etc have little played and I'd say Kerry want to peak later. Sheehan doesn't look fit to me either.

    Kerry will be much improved the next day and someone will be detailed to pick up Barry O Driscoll's runs. Can Cork improve too ? I think Tom Clancy will add a lot to our defence and Cronin will be much better with a big game under his belt. Kerrigan was a big loss and Collins was very poor in going up for the ball in that incident.

    I think that Cork will go down with a lot of confidence and will win another very tight game but Kerry got the luck today - it relaly depends on who gets it the next day.

    On what basis will clancy start

    He should but clearly out favour this management as not even sub came on I think

    Kerrigan indiscipline was poor player around block for while shouldn't start as no way would be influence kelly


    Again you seem to choose ignore kerry bench reacted better changes made

    I ask you your master class management cork you said why if did donughe be marked half back converted corner back


    Why Cronin taken off cork best defender and Cork best attacker o Connor taken off


    Why did deane sit bench hour
    He's able least twenty minutes playing with club


    Kerry management reacted three changes to cork one up hour


    Cork management didn't react


    Kerry like I said Cork thread Thursday picked half forward line graft work rate physicality but had no creative guile or attacking cohesion
    O brien couldn't score as seen awful wide and is good with creative centre forward but Buckley and Walsh no real scoring half forward so kerry never set up score and put cork away ist half


    Kerry interested in building panel like Dublin as of taken cork serous would started Murphy Gooch etc to get the game over early as kerry dominated the ist half and Cork were in real trouble
    Kerry just back warm weather camp dog on the street know fitness off the level required and Cork training since November when hard running was started


    Kerry will have a tough weekend I guess training now and two week break suit them

    Also apparently kerry had tough meeting after game and didn't wait for training this week so focus on the replay already


    Dublin in quater final after qualifier if they loose means kerry focus on Cork totally
    Cork had golden chance as clear from Thursday and today kerry were complacent and Cork had backs wall scenario


    Now everyone expects cork to improve but kerry are wounded
    If I learned anything kerry Cork games down the years it's kerry always improve after munster
    They will improve
    Will cork
    Defence is still poor and only total four players scored
    Kerry had ten different players scored on bad day proved kerry have default system when individuals under performance


    Cork individuals played well but when they don't doubts still remains about cork system and structure and organisations as a team particularly in defence and scoring wise still not fluent and five goals last two games kerry conceded there defence will be in lock down mode the next day so Cork must score points and we could struggle here


    Cork can win and have the players but concerns remain on managment too slow make changes again today and pick the correct team

    Cork likely start same team again while kerry have least imo four changes that will hugely strengthen them


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    mosstin wrote: »
    Thinkstoomuch??
    Bloody Writestoomuch and all.

    he probably breaks up the paragraphs a bit but i cant fault his opinion on most things he is usually fairly there and there abouts with his reading on both codes

    but in terms of the game today i found it slightly unusual to see kerry maybe 6 weeks behind the level of intensity that they should be , i think brolly called them a "poor kerry side" on the sunday game live . . . . . obviously forgetting who won the all ireland around 9 months ago


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  • Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Officer999


    Tommy Walsh not even coming on as one of the subs is not a good sign..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    Officer999 wrote: »
    Tommy Walsh not even coming on as one of the subs is not a good sign..

    I'm starting to get really annoyed with all this Tommy love that is coming out of the county.
    Have you seen him play this year? If so- tell me when and rate his performance.

    He has been awful for KOR, awful- in their 2 championship games- he got beat out the gate versus Rathmore and had very little influence against Legion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭darragh_haven


    I'm starting to get really annoyed with all this Tommy love that is coming out of the county.
    Have you seen him play this year? If so- tell me when and rate his performance.

    He has been awful for KOR, awful- in their 2 championship games- he got beat out the gate versus Rathmore and had very little influence against Legion

    I'm from Cork, but have seen Tommy Walsh play 4 or 5 times this years and I think he has been poor. The worst of the subs on the bench imo.
    I might be nullifing my point when ya look at the bench tho


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,770 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    I'm starting to get really annoyed with all this Tommy love that is coming out of the county.
    Have you seen him play this year? If so- tell me when and rate his performance.

    He has been awful for KOR, awful- in their 2 championship games- he got beat out the gate versus Rathmore and had very little influence against Legion

    He just isn't a midfielder. He destroyed Tom Sullivan when he went full forward.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    he probably breaks up the paragraphs a bit but i cant fault his opinion on most things he is usually fairly there and there abouts with his reading on both codes

    but in terms of the game today i found it slightly unusual to see kerry maybe 6 weeks behind the level of intensity that they should be , i think brolly called them a "poor kerry side" on the sunday game live . . . . . obviously forgetting who won the all ireland around 9 months ago

    Brolly was calling it on the team picked to play cork and it was poor kerry team compared to what could been

    Look at the half forward line
    It had no balance at all just hard word and physical players with no creative player There's


    Geaney all star and the Gooch not there
    Maher destroyed tippeary great midfield yet he wasn't there
    Paul Murphy young player of the year on the bench
    Kerry have came from the warm weather camp where they flogged themselves in training
    Recovery was on the agenda after wards
    Now fitness and sharpness be back
    This week would suited cork for the replay but two weeks gives kerry time

    Kerry will be critsed and that's when there dangerous


    Dublin are imo unhappy kerry drew as it gives them the second test of a game while they won't get one v westmeath and kerry defence problem five goals two games shown up well in advance of meeting them
    Kerry are never naive if history taught us anything consistently


    I don't think this dents kerry confidence in kerry know can be better and fitzmaurice know few he's players arent up to it
    The two team that usually learn from wake up calls are kerry and Kilkenny


    Dublin wont fear kerry and could beat them but always team won all Ireland the year after is caught and lethargy is there
    This close shave is good for kerry in it will refocus them


  • Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Officer999


    I'm starting to get really annoyed with all this Tommy love that is coming out of the county.
    Have you seen him play this year? If so- tell me when and rate his performance.

    He has been awful for KOR, awful- in their 2 championship games- he got beat out the gate versus Rathmore and had very little influence against Legion[/quoote]

    No i agree with you. That's my original point. The fact his not even considered as one of 5 subs to come on shows you how bad his been, and obviously not going well in training. I've saw him play a few times this year and he was very poor, way off the pace. I thought it was just ring rust and he just needed time. But we're heading towards mid July not and his not even coming off the bench. It's a bad sign
    for me. I still hope he comes good tho. The pre-Oz Tommy was a beast


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,770 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Paul Geaney isn't an All Star and Paul Murphy wasn't Young Player of the Year.

    The subs for the most part were poor yesterday from where I was stood (admittedly will have to watch it again). Major caveats that all the below is based on live viewing from behind the goals on the Lewis Road side.

    Gooch kicked one ball over the bar where he should have gone inside and at least looked at a goal chance having not touched the ball for ten minutes after coming on. He touched the ball very few times after either and was partially culpable for the third goal.

    Darran O'Sullivan I don't remember touching the ball at all bar jumping over it when Kerry had effected a turnover. With possession crucial he failed to bend his back with two or three defenders closing in, for whatever reason.

    Geaney got a really good point but butchered another point scoring opportunity - will probably end up getting credit for that because his own poor shot almost ended up breaking back to him for a goal. The best of the forwards to come on even so.

    I don't know Sherwood as a player but there seems to be a divide in the county between those who think he's a star in the making and those who think he has no skills whatsoever. Attempts at taking a high ball that ended up bouncing off his face and a simple hand pass that went two yards over the head of a teammate five yards away suggest the latter rather than the former. He looks like he doesn't really know how to solo the ball either although that's probably just bad optics.

    Maher to me looked like he was destroyed when he came on and didn't look to be moving well. Would probably like to see him in the 15 all the same.

    Paul Murphy I didn't really see much of but would probably think is a player who should be starting.

    From the starters I thought Enright and Marc did as well as could be expected since we were destroyed at midfield. Fionn was absolutely tattooed.

    Lyne seemed to do well to me. Crowley looked really good for the first 20 minutes or so. Whenever Paddy Kelly came on he started to struggle badly and it went downhill from there. Don't know either way re:Killian Young.

    I thought the midfielders themselves actually weren't terrible, despite the fact that we seemed to get wiped out. Moran and Sheehan seemed to be swarmed by Cork players every time the ball came near. Alan O'Connor and his various partners did a lot of breaking the ball down to Cork players, with no sign of green and gold in for breakers. Only so much the midfielders themselves can do.

    Half forward line. I thought Buckley was good in the first half and was one of the players actually winning the dirty ball in the middle. Would guess that him going off and us having 20 minutes of being unable to win a ball at midfield are linked.

    Donnchadh did ok, looked very tired towards the end. Not his best game but offers a lot.

    O'Brien had one of those horrorshow performances that occasionally happen, a bit like Buckley against Tipp. Everything he touched went wrong yesterday. There was a ten minute period in the first half where he lost the ball four (five?) times in a row, badly, then gave away a free which was converted when there was no need. Has a big issue with putting his head down and running into tacklers when on the ball that badly, badly needs to stop.

    James & Donaghy did very well considering the amount and quality of ball that went into them IMO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    keane2097 wrote: »
    He just isn't a midfielder. He destroyed Tom Sullivan when he went full forward.

    Ah Keane come off it- he did not destroy Tom Sullivan.
    He did alright and did very well to win a penalty but what really worried me was his laboured attempts to get around the field even when at full forward.

    As you have said- full forward is his best position and I rate Donaghy as being far better than him so I cant see a way into the team for Tommy


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Having only watchedd live and the Sunday game Highlights these are my ratings:


    1. Kealy (6) - Made a good stop in the first half, but some serious panic when Cork were on top. Kickouts were poor in the second half, and didn't use the short kickout options enough. Wouldn't be sad to see Kelly start the next day.
    2. Enright (8) - One of the few bright sparks. Kept Hurley out of the game completely (scoreless?). Battled hard all day considering the amount of ball rained in on top of them in the second half.
    3. Marc (7) - Had an excellent first half, dominating O'Neill. Let O'Neill in behind him for the goal, but for me Fionn letting O'Connor in behind him was the main cause of that, and Marc had to try and cut him off. Second half, stayed tight to O'Neill but the amount of ball in meant O'Neill got a few scores off him.
    4. Fionn (5) - Without the final score I'd have given him a 3. Looked way off the pace. Burned by the 30+ year old O'Connor all day. At fault for 2-2, due to getting beaten for pace, and poor defensive positioning. A very poor day at the office, and would be shocked to see him start in the replay. What absolute stones though to put over that final score. Have to say when you are having a bad day, some players tend to try and hide and get the game over with, but Fionn showed immense bottle to bang that over.
    5. Lyne (6) - Was anonymous around the breaks. Got caught out of position leading to a score in the first half. Struggled to deal with Cork's pace all day.
    6. Crowley (7) - Brilliant first half, but tank emptied completely. Laid down a marker by hammering into Collins with an early shoulder. Dived onto a dangerous loose ball after Kealy's save. Held the middle well, and forced Cork wide. Struggled on Kelly in the second half. Was dragged out of position a lot. Burned by Shields leading to the 3rd goal.
    7. Young- (?) - Dunno. Did nothing really? Made a couple of jogs at half pace up the left wing, passed it backwards. Nowhere to be found around breaks. Offered nothing. Having said that Gould made very little impact for Cork as far as I could see. Maybe the hidden work was key to getting the draw.
    8. Moran - (6) Torrid start. Kicked a shocking wide. Got pretty beaten up around the middle. Came into the game when Kerry got on top. Didn't look at the top of his game. Still we struggled a lot after the black card.
    9. Sheehan - (7) Kicked a few nice frees, and a lovely point from open play. Was beaten handily in the air by Alan O'Connor. Struggled to get breaks off Moran.
    10. O'Brien (5) - One of those days. Ran down blind alleys, offered very little in attack or defence. Tracked runners reasonably well in the first half, but tackles were sloppy and gave a way a few silly frees. Shouldn'y be ahead of Mikey Geaney for the replay.
    11. Buckley (6) - Was very critical of him, until I watched the Sunday Game highlights. In real time seemed extremely laboured, very slow to breaks, burned regularly by his opposite number and picked up a stupid yellow card for a high tackle. However, watching the Sunday Game, when we were on top Buckley was one of the main providers. He robbed the ball for Dongahy's goal, he kicked a great score, and put one great ball in that led to Kerrigan's black card.
    12. Walsh - (7) - Walsh ran his heart out. Tracked runners well. Got on a lot of ball in the first half and distributed well. Was out on his feet towards the end, but bar one terrible pass towards James, he had a decent if unspectacular outing.
    13. BJK - (7) - Lost the first two balls in towards him. One should have been a free after he was dragged to the ground, but the referee gave a free out. The second one, his man got a good hand to the ball first. Then he kicked 2 excelent scores, when given space inside and won few nice frees. Kicked a high ball into Donaghy which led to Donnacha's score, but got a bollocking from Eamonn for it, which was odd. Didn't see much ball after and was replaced. Did enough for me to hold his place.
    14. Donaghy - (8) - A real danger man. Took his goal really well, and broke a huge amount of ball to Kerry players for vital scores. Pulled an dragged all over the place as usual, but still dealt well with it. Terrible standard of ball in didn't help him, but without him we would have been hammered I fear.
    15. James - (8) - Not at peak fitness at all, but a livewire on the ball. Took his scores well, and burst his gut to get on the end of the ball to draw the penalty (whether it hould have been one or not), which he slotted coolly. Again very poor standard of ball in. Would love to see him at center forward in the replay to get him on the ball more often.

    Subs:
    Maher (5) - Hammered around the middle. Took his point calmly, though a goal may have been on.
    Gooch - (6) - Lovely point. No supply of ball. Poor tackle in the leadup to the 3rd goal.
    Darren - (4) - End of the road perhaps. Pace was his number one asset, and that has been taken away from him by injuries.
    Geaney - (6) - Great point. Missed the goal chance. Could have gone down for another penalty, but honestly stayed up to have the shot.
    Sherwood - (5) - Some people are saying he did really well. I saw a ball go straight through his hands and hit him in the face, and pass a ball way over Gooch's head. Did well to set up Maher.
    Murphy - (?) - Didn't see him on the ball.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Surprised to see Sheehan given a higher rating than Moran. The argument that he came into it more when Kerry got on top is moot seeing as, from what I saw, Moran was largely responsible for us getting on top.

    Fielded well, when he didn't he scrapped and won a turnover by getting a boot in whilst on the ground, and as mentioned, we got hammered at MF when we lost him. I really think on his day he's the best midfielder in the country, that said, I've always been a fan & I'm just happy to see him playing to his potential after a bad spell of injuries.

    Ideally I'd like to have seen Buckley move to MF with Maher & Sheehan at 11 if we were to lose Moran like that again, last time we beat Cork in Killarney in the Munster final, Buckley lorded it at midfield.

    Was actually delighted for O'Connor yesterday for Cork - played against him last year and he was colossal - outstanding at breaking ball and disrupting MFs who like to catch cleanly, Cork were sharp on the breaks but O'Connor really upped it after Moran went off - Maher had no answer, albeit, coming back from an injury to give him some credit.


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