M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

cgcsb

SeanW wrote: »

None of what has been suggested as an alternative takes away from the fact that in order to get from East to West, you have go through city streets including the Headford "Road" (which is really a street-road hybrid).

Make the city great again for pedestrians, cyclists, bus users? Awesome, go for it! But don't forget that roads are as important as streets. If you don't provide a road for people to get from the rest of the country to points West, lots of people are still going to be driving up and down the Headford Road for a journey that should be East-West. That's just a fact.

East West traffic can use the existing bypass, which will be much less congested when the vast majority of commutes are done by sustainable modes.

cgcsb

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

That is your assertion/dream not backed by any research. I would agree with further pedestrinization of city center only if there was a way for everyone who doesnt need to go near the city center to bypass it aka a bypass

Not sure what your point is?? 70%+ sustainable modal split is difficult no doubt, in a small city, however assuming it happened the traffic reduction would be undeniable. Galway's City Centre is already bypassed, what is being proposed is a bypass of the bypass.

what_traffic

serfboard wrote: »

Given that houses are scattered like confetti across the County Galway countryside, instead of being clustered in towns, means that you have no critical mass for bus services. You cannot be sending buses up every boreen in the county, and so the solution is multiple Park n Rides on the approaches to the city, and Bus Lanes from there on in.

Agree this is the most logical bus solution to the one off house confetti issue.

SeanW

cgcsb wrote: »

East West traffic can use the existing bypass, which will be much less congested when the vast majority of commutes are done by sustainable modes.

What existing bypass?

JCX BXC

Today was another shocking day for Galway traffic.

Reduce the number of cars in the city by half, you'll still have problems. The existing roads are not fit for purpose and no matter how hard you try these problems will not be fixed without a bypass that is actually fit for purpose, the current situation is not fit for purpose.

youngrun

JCX BXC wrote: »

Today was another shocking day for Galway traffic.

Reduce the number of cars in the city by half, you'll still have problems. The existing roads are not fit for purpose and no matter how hard you try these problems will not be fixed without a bypass that is actually fit for purpose, the current situation is not fit for purpose.

Yes the city is a wreck at the minute with jams and delays very frustrating.
Galway is car bound despite being a small place

Motorway is several years away probably 6 in reality given likely challenges

In the interim there should be at least some Attempts by the City/County Co, NTA etc to alleviate on the public transport front along with the Motorway plan
There are strategies in place they just need action
ie Just implement the Tuam road bus lane - money is there+ plenty of room. Use Park and rides+ buses immediately at 5/6 key orbital routes using for eg Airport, Oranmore, Claregalway, Moycullen, Barna +get the NUIG Moycullen greenway/cycle route up and running again money is there. Dump the roundabouts. Extra trains Oranmore +Craughwell+
Any new major developments should have a concrete bus route/extra lines right beside them and pay for this eg Barretts 2500 worker office space plan.
Load people onto PT if they can use it ,ok not everyone will but get it rolling

snowstreams

youngrun wrote: »

... Extra trains Oranmore +Craughwell+
....

The only problem with extra trains is that by the time you pay parking plus train ticket, it gets quite expensive.
They would need to subsidize the parking & the shorter commuter train journeys if they are realistic about getting people to use trains.

youngrun

snowstreams wrote: »

The only problem with extra trains is that by the time you pay parking plus train ticket, it gets quite expensive.
They would need to subsidize the parking & the shorter commuter train journeys if they are realistic about getting people to use trains.

Will probably get moved threadwise but I think that trains and buses are the answer
Uk isnt cheaper either for trains or parking beside stations. Leap Cards maybe would discount the cost.Value club !

Trains- Straight lines in and out of Galway. No traffic no delays, big P&R beside stops so required density is sorted.
Train stations -Oranmore has one. Add in Parkmore, Claregalway ( use airport ), Menlo/ Headford road . Buses other side given constraints of land and sea ie Barna, Moycullen.
Would take massive ambition and grit to do it but would do the trick .
Somebody should at least do the study on it ...

mcbert

Very quiet here lately, so where are we now with planning or what's the next step?

marno21

mcbert wrote: »

Very quiet here lately, so where are we now with planning or what's the next step?

Waiting for an oral hearing with An Bord Pleanala then waiting for their ruling

Expecting a wide variety of objections

marno21

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase.asp?PID=144713

Galway County Council have tendered for services relating to the CPO process for the land involved in the project. The full details are in the link above.

Ruhanna

JCX BXC wrote: »

Reduce the number of cars in the city by half, you'll still have problems. The existing roads are not fit for purpose and no matter how hard you try these problems will not be fixed without a bypass that is actually fit for purpose, the current situation is not fit for purpose.

What's the evidence for that?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109944810&postcount=192

Fit for what purpose? When schools are closed it's possible to drive across the city east to west in 20 minutes if you pick your time carefully.

The school run is absolutely not half of the entire traffic volume in the city, yet many junctions are free-flowing when schools are off. Not necessarily in Parkmore-Ballybrit of course, but that's because the problem there is thousands of car commuters driving solo in from the county to various areas of employment. But they are not bypassing the city. The city is their destination.

Ruhanna

marno21 wrote: »

Expecting a wide variety of objections

And rightly so.

Ruhanna

Ruhanna wrote: »

And rightly so.

Not likely to stop it though

cgcsb

If anything stops this project it'll be the excessive cost, the disbenefits and the environmental impact. Not to mention that we'll still have to pay the, much smaller, cost for a coherent public transport system that will actually have a positive impact in reducing congestion and emissions from transport.

what_traffic

cgcsb wrote: »

If anything stops this project it'll be the excessive cost

Wonder how much the price has increased with Construction inflation. €650,00,000 -> €700,000,000 was the cost outlined a couple of years back.

serfboard

what_traffic wrote: »

Wonder how much the price has increased with Construction inflation. €650,00,000 -> €700,000,000 was the cost outlined a couple of years back.

Ah yeah, sure with the construction inflation it's probably gone to around the oul' billion mark - sure we're throwing around billions on infrastructure projects (NCH €2B, NBP €3B) like snuff at a wake these days - why not another one?

what_traffic

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

How many billions is city losing out on by everyone sitting in traffic and the oft promised public transport nowhere to be seen (or stuck in same traffic)

Do tell?

veryangryman

cgcsb wrote: »

If anything stops this project it'll be the excessive cost, the disbenefits and the environmental impact. Not to mention that we'll still have to pay the, much smaller, cost for a coherent public transport system that will actually have a positive impact in reducing congestion and emissions from transport.

Unfortunately with the ridiculous house price growth in cities, few can afford to live in them or move to them so a fancy local transport system will suit the few rather than the many.

cgcsb

veryangryman wrote: »

Unfortunately with the ridiculous house price growth in cities, few can afford to live in them or move to them so a fancy local transport system will suit the few rather than the many.

That'll just have to change. Height restrictions have been lifted, cities will get denser and more affordable.

cgcsb

cgcsb wrote: »

That'll just have to change. Height restrictions have been lifted, cities will get denser and more affordable.

Height isn't really the problem, it's suburban & old country houses still in & near the centre that really waste land.

serfboard

Deleted User wrote: »

Height isn't really the problem, it's suburban & old country houses still in & near the centre that really waste land.

I agree that height isn't the problem.

And I would add to your list of causes, vacant or empty sites and properties, and items like Golf and Race Courses that take up huge amounts of land for the benefit of a tiny number of people a few times a year. Dublin is guilty of this as well.

The problem as always is political will to tackle the housing problem - there is none, and there are powerful vested interests who want to keep things as they are.

what_traffic

veryangryman wrote: »

Unfortunately with the ridiculous house price growth in cities, few can afford to live in them or move to them so a fancy local transport system will suit the few rather than the many.

So going by this logic.
Would you propose closing down ALL the current Galway City Bus Services as it suits the few rather than the many?
No wonder your angry.

L1011

Deleted User wrote: »

Height isn't really the problem, it's suburban & old country houses still in & near the centre that really waste land.

Land value is starting to eat those away in Dublin, 40 apartments on the site of one 60s house changes the market for them when they go on sale.

veryangryman

what_traffic wrote: »

So going by this logic.
Would you propose closing down ALL the current Galway City Bus Services as it suits the few rather than the many?
No wonder your angry.

Park and ride at edges of the city is my suggestion. One at every new M6 bypass junction. Certainly until hugh rise comes on stream. Likely not soon.

youngrun

Further information sought by ABP on this project

youngrun

youngrun wrote: »

Further information sought by ABP on this project

Any idea what they are looking for?

youngrun

Deleted User wrote: »

Any idea what they are looking for?

Got this from someone involved, FI due by end May . May be tight if new surveys etc need to be done

what_traffic

veryangryman wrote: »

Park and ride at edges of the city is my suggestion. One at every new M6 bypass junction. Certainly until hugh rise comes on stream. Likely not soon.

So this is for the many(rural car commuters) and not the few(people living in Galway City)?

marno21

MOD:

There is a thread for everything Galway traffic/public transport/is there a need for a bypass discussion: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=109209281

Please keep this thread for updates and discussion of the M6 Galway City Ring Road scheme.