Foreign Nationals flying in for the day to sign on the dole

KhanTheMan · 14-10-2008 8:41pm #1

I met a guy who used to live beside me today in the post office. Hes from Poland and moved home about 6 months ago. He told me he was here with his wife for the day.

Now the best bit. They were signing on collecting their money. I was shocked and it showed and he explained it to me.

They have 3 children and are saying they are living with his brother who still lives here. They went home to Poland and he has a job there. This was his last time signing on but his wife is going to sign on saying she was left in Ireland with the kids. She'll just come over here for the day whenever she needs to sign on on the cheap flights. Even if this is once a week (and im sure its less often than that) it will pay her to do it. And childrens allowance etc too.

Still seeing my shocked face he said that he knows lots of people doing the very same thing, that it was normal.

Unbelievable.

445279.ie · 14-10-2008 8:42pm

Well it'll cost them an extra tenner to leave now every month

Bob the Builder · 14-10-2008 8:43pm

If that was me, and I had a knife....

Fúcking tax payers money being given to scabby little fúckers like that.

MagicMarker · 14-10-2008 8:43pm

Are you planning on doing anything about it?

And yes, she will have to come once a week as you have to collect it in the post office yourself now.

Photi · 14-10-2008 8:44pm

While tucking into a swan at the same time I bet. Them there foreign nationals, whatever will they get up to next?

shenanigans1982 · 14-10-2008 8:45pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I met a guy who used to live beside me today in the post office. Hes from Poland and moved home about 6 months ago. He told me he was here with his wife for the day.

Now the best bit. They were signing on collecting their money. I was shocked and it showed and he explained it to me.

They have 3 children and are saying they are living with his brother who still lives here. They went home to Poland and he has a job there. This was his last time signing on but his wife is going to sign on saying she was left in Ireland with the kids. She'll just come over here for the day whenever she needs to sign on on the cheap flights. Even if this is once a week (and im sure its less often than that) it will pay her to do it. And childrens allowance etc too.

Still seeing my shocked face he said that he knows lots of people doing the very same thing, that it was normal.

Unbelievable.

Or did you just really read it in the thread about foreigners and the dole earlier?

If not report the b*stards.

Headshot · 14-10-2008 8:46pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I met a guy who used to live beside me today in the post office. Hes from Poland and moved home about 6 months ago. He told me he was here with his wife for the day.

Now the best bit. They were signing on collecting their money. I was shocked and it showed and he explained it to me.

They have 3 children and are saying they are living with his brother who still lives here. They went home to Poland and he has a job there. This was his last time signing on but his wife is going to sign on saying she was left in Ireland with the kids. She'll just come over here for the day whenever she needs to sign on on the cheap flights. Even if this is once a week (and im sure its less often than that) it will pay her to do it. And childrens allowance etc too.

Still seeing my shocked face he said that he knows lots of people doing the very same thing, that it was normal.

Unbelievable.

report them now

id do it for sure
and have a big grin on my face while doing it

AnonoBoy · 14-10-2008 8:46pm

So she's flying over and back from Poland every week to collect her dole in the post office? Fair play to her - our airlines need all the help they can get these days.

dlofnep · 14-10-2008 8:46pm

Report them, if you don't want to - pass me on the details and I will!

Gran Hermano · 14-10-2008 8:48pm

In the late 1990s I knew several Italians and Spaniards who after living and working here for several years claimed the dole even after they had moved home to their respective countries. They claimed with cheap low cost airfares it was easy and 'cost efficient' to nip back to Dublin once a month to sign on.

todolist · 14-10-2008 8:49pm

Photi wrote: »

While tucking into a swan at the same time I bet. Them there foreign nationals, whatever will they get up to next?

This response is the kind of stuff that makes this place a soft touch for east european fraudsters.You're not bothered that taxpayer money his going to fraudsters in Poland.we have enough Irish doing it without these foreigners at it as well.:mad:

Headshot · 14-10-2008 8:49pm

Photi wrote: »

While tucking into a swan at the same time I bet. Them there foreign nationals, whatever will they get up to next?

dont forget the poor old ducks

Phototoxin · 14-10-2008 8:55pm

right im gonna sign on tomorrow as though i hope to get a job soonas i graduate im gonna leech just as much from my country as these asshats!

Photi · 14-10-2008 8:56pm

todolist wrote: »

This response is the kind of stuff that makes this place a soft touch for east european fraudsters.You're not bothered that taxpayer money his going to fraudsters in Poland.we have enough Irish doing it without these foreigners at it as well.:mad:

Yeah, one isolated anecdotal story means our entire welfare system is under attack. Show me the stats .

Mossy Monk · 14-10-2008 8:56pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I met a guy who used to live beside me today in the post office. Hes from Poland and moved home about 6 months ago. He told me he was here with his wife for the day.

Now the best bit. They were signing on collecting their money. I was shocked and it showed and he explained it to me.

They have 3 children and are saying they are living with his brother who still lives here. They went home to Poland and he has a job there. This was his last time signing on but his wife is going to sign on saying she was left in Ireland with the kids. She'll just come over here for the day whenever she needs to sign on on the cheap flights. Even if this is once a week (and im sure its less often than that) it will pay her to do it. And childrens allowance etc too.

Still seeing my shocked face he said that he knows lots of people doing the very same thing, that it was normal.

Unbelievable.

You have reported this yes?

AnonoBoy · 14-10-2008 8:58pm

todolist wrote: »

This response is the kind of stuff that makes this place a soft touch for east european fraudsters.You're not bothered that taxpayer money his going to fraudsters in Poland.we have enough Irish doing it without these foreigners at it as well.:mad:

This response is the kind of stuff that makes After Hours a soft touch for people like you. You're not bothered that foreign posters are taking all the fun away to eastern europe instead of keeping it here in our homeland. We have enough Irish people ruining the fun without these no-craic foreigners doing it too.

Run_to_da_hills · 14-10-2008 8:58pm

Its these type of f****ers that will help bring in the National ID to stop dole fraud.

AnonoBoy · 14-10-2008 9:02pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its these type of f****ers that will help bring in the National ID to stop dole fraud.

I heard they're getting Polish nationals over to actually implant the microchips into us honest to goodness god-fearing Irish folks.

I got mine already!

(In the ass)

Headshot · 14-10-2008 9:02pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its these type of f****ers that will help bring in the National ID to stop dole fraud.

whats the story with the National ID

cant see it happening for a while with the credit crunch

AnonoBoy · 14-10-2008 9:03pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

whats the story with the National ID

cant see it happening for a while with the credit crunch

Oh God please don't set him off.

ejmaztec · 14-10-2008 9:04pm

I wonder how many EU countries you can fly into each week to collect your pocket-money. It would be extremely tiring, but would it be worth the effort?

anthony4335 · 14-10-2008 9:05pm

Be honest ,is this ture or what. As if it were you can only do one thing, and that is report them as this is making mockery of the whole thing. Along with ruining it for every one else. I think that land loard should be made to report when tenents have moved out ,to the social welfare as this would help in eliminating false claims.

Headshot · 14-10-2008 9:05pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Oh God please don't set him off.

:D

Caoimhín · 14-10-2008 9:06pm

Gran Hermano wrote: »

In the late 1990s I knew several Italians and Spaniards .

See, i knew the fcukin Spaniards were behind all this credit crunch stuff. Ya cant trust the greasy gits with their good looks and shifty eyes.

KhanTheMan · 14-10-2008 9:08pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Are you planning on doing anything about it?

And yes, she will have to come once a week as you have to collect it in the post office yourself now.

I kid you not. I was walking past the po and he's coming out. Couldn't believe it when he told me. Tbh I am giving serious thought to reporting them. But I know nothing will come of it if I do. What really gets me is he said that there are loads of people doing it. They even fly on the same fligths sometimes.

It wouldn't me hard to stop if there was a will. A bit of cooperation with border control and social welfare is all it would take.
A one man job. Tally up passport numbers on flights with days in the country and payments. Job done.

Caoimhín · 14-10-2008 9:09pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its these type of f****ers that will help bring in the National ID to stop dole fraud.

You will find that the damn Spaniards are behind the ID cards too. Im tellin ya Run_to_the_hills, the King of Spain is the man behind the curtain.
Look into it.

Run_to_da_hills · 14-10-2008 9:09pm

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

whats the story with the National ID

cant see it happening for a while with the credit crunch

All the more reason for bringing it in. computerization and centralization of all state departments would save the government a fortune and would also help out stamp out those who are trying to ride the system.

Did you know that anyone who is on the dole is only allowed 12 "Holidays" a year? Anytime someone who is signing on wants to leave the republic must notify their social welfare office in writing even if its going to the UK, if they stay longer they can loose all their privileges and will have to re apply when they come back. They can track you with this card.

When the state ID is set up between the UK and Ireland it wont be easy for those on the dole to go to the UK as it used to be.

stovelid · 14-10-2008 9:10pm

I sense a business opportunity. Chartered dole fraud flights from Eastern Europe.....

KhanTheMan · 14-10-2008 9:15pm

stovelid wrote: »

I sense a business opportunity. Chartered dole fraud flights from Eastern Europe.....

Michael O'Leary has that one

Gran Hermano · 14-10-2008 9:17pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

I wonder how many EU countries you can fly into each week to collect your pocket-money. It would be extremely tiring, but would it be worth the effort?

Well if you're flying about Europe claiming the dole in various countries you may as well stock up on cigarettes and sell them when you get back in Ireland. Double whammy!

Vanbis · 14-10-2008 9:19pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I kid you not. I was walking past the po and he's coming out. Couldn't believe it when he told me. Tbh I am giving serious thought to reporting them. But I know nothing will come of it if I do. What really gets me is he said that there are loads of people doing it. They even fly on the same fligths sometimes.

It wouldn't me hard to stop if there was a will. A bit of cooperation with border control and social welfare is all it would take.
A one man job. Tally up passport numbers on flights with days in the country and payments. Job done.

You have to report this friend or no friend, you paying taxes and the increase is more in his pocket. Why dont the goverment spend more money on fraud in this country. Im sure most know of someone who is doing the same. I'd gladly report them and hope you do the same.

randylonghorn · 14-10-2008 9:19pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I kid you not. I was walking past the po and he's coming out. Couldn't believe it when he told me. Tbh I am giving serious thought to reporting them. But I know nothing will come of it if I do. What really gets me is he said that there are loads of people doing it. They even fly on the same fligths sometimes.

It wouldn't me hard to stop if there was a will. A bit of cooperation with border control and social welfare is all it would take.
A one man job. Tally up passport numbers on flights with days in the country and payments. Job done.

I doubt if there are "loads" ... that sounds like a self-justification on his part ... but if you actually know someone who is, report his ass!

I wouldn't think twice in those kind of circumstances.

javaboy · 14-10-2008 9:21pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its these type of f****ers that will help bring in the National ID to stop dole fraud.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

All the more reason for bringing it in. computerization and centralization of all state departments would save the government a fortune and would also help out stamp out those who are trying to ride the system.
...

When the state ID is set up between the UK and Ireland it wont be easy for those on the dole to go to the UK as it used to be.

So you're in favour of the National ID card now? Why the change of heart?

Run_to_da_hills · 14-10-2008 9:23pm

There is also an easy way out of this for the Government. If they suspect any foreign national is traveling here to collect dole they can offer them a short term job / Fas course, If they turn it down they can refuse them dole.

If they take up the job / fas course and finish it they will have to reapply for the dole again. All new Dole applications since August must collect their weekly dole in a post office.

CiaranC · 14-10-2008 9:23pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

Tbh I am giving serious thought to reporting them. But I know nothing will come of it if I do.

What are you on about? Reports of dole fraud are taken extremely seriously. He will be required to produce proof of address next time he signs on, from that sign-on period. He wont be able to, will be cut off, and will be liable to pay all the money back.

Im starting to think there is some kind of agitation going on in AH with all these anti-foreign national threads these days. Either that or weve turned into the Isle of Dogs BNP-land over night.

Krieg · 14-10-2008 9:25pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

I wonder how many EU countries you can fly into each week to collect your pocket-money. It would be extremely tiring, but would it be worth the effort?

Thats what I thought as soon as I read OP

shenanigans1982 · 14-10-2008 9:25pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

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Did you know that anyone who is on the dole is only allowed 12 "Holidays" a year?

Lets be realistic nobody on the dole is going on 12 holidays a year...I work save my ass off and can afford one...maybe another couple of days away every couple of years.

If you mean 12 days holiday thats different and pretty much the standard considering Sunday wouldn't be counted in the social welfare week. Therefore giving them 2 weeks away if they can afford it.

As for the National I.D card it really seems to be something that causes you to lose sleep at night can you list all the negatives to it that will affect us so badly?

Agamemnon · 14-10-2008 9:28pm

I'd be all in favour of this as long as it's only beautiful Polish women popping over here to defraud us. Male? GTFO! Old? GTFO! Ugly? GTFO! Fat? GTFO! Hot young Polish filly? Fáilte go hÉireann! My name's Agamemnon and I'll be your red carpet for today if you're wearing spiked high heels.

Run_to_da_hills · 14-10-2008 9:31pm

javaboy wrote: »

So you're in favor of the National ID card now? Why the change of heart?

Just giving you some insight into the inevitable.

I already mentioned in the Transport and Communication forum that I could give well over a dozen advantages for introducing registered transit smart cards over the pre paid smart cards they are currently using but all at the expense of your civil liberties.

KhanTheMan · 14-10-2008 9:31pm

CiaranC wrote: »

What are you on about? Reports of dole fraud are taken extremely seriously. He will be required to produce proof of address next time he signs on, from that sign-on period. He wont be able to, will be cut off, and will be liable to pay all the money back.

Yes they will be able to provide proof of address easily even if they dont live there. All they say is that they are staying with their brother. Its easy to get letters sent there or put the brothers phone in their name and then there's a bill to them at that address.

tony1kenobi · 14-10-2008 9:33pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I heard they're getting Polish nationals over to actually implant the microchips into us honest to goodness god-fearing Irish folks.

I got mine already!

(In the ass)

Was it a cock shaped microchip? I think you may have been raped.

CiaranC · 14-10-2008 9:34pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

Yes they will be able to provide proof of address easily even if they dont live there. All they say is that they are staying with their brother. Its easy to get letters sent there or put the brothers phone in their name and then there's a bill to them at that address.

Mention that in your report so. The DSW will send someone around to the house.

Run_to_da_hills · 14-10-2008 9:38pm

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Lets be realistic nobody on the dole is going on 12 holidays a year...I work save my ass off and can afford one...maybe another couple of days away every couple of years.

If you mean 12 days holiday thats different and pretty much the standard considering Sunday wouldn't be counted in the social welfare week. Therefore giving them 2 weeks away if they can afford it.

As for the National I.D card it really seems to be something that causes you to lose sleep at night can you list all the negatives to it that will affect us so badly?

Meant 12 Days holidays. The Social welfare includes Saturday as a "work day" so the only "days off" are Sundays. In effect you are only allowed two weeks and two days off to travel abroad without effecting your privileges. This would allow you for only 6 league matches a year if you traveled out on the Friday :eek:

pebbles21 · 14-10-2008 9:38pm

stovelid wrote: »

I sense a business opportunity. Chartered dole fraud flights from Eastern Europe.....

......bring two suitcases full of benskis and hedgeskis and your quids in

KhanTheMan · 14-10-2008 9:39pm

CiaranC wrote: »

Mention that in your report so. The DSW will send someone around to the house.

Oh dear Mr Social Welfare Officer, you've called at a bad time. They are gone to visit friends in Wexford a couple of days. But they'll be back on Tuesday if you'd like to let us know when you are coming up to see them we'll get them to stay in.

javaboy · 14-10-2008 9:43pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

Oh dear Mr Social Welfare Officer, you've called at a bad time. They are gone to visit friends in Wexford a couple of days. But they'll be back on Tuesday if you'd like to let us know when you are coming up to see them we'll get them to stay in.

You seem a bit negative about whether reporting it will do any good. If you really don't want to report it and it actually happened, please pass on the details to one of the people who said they would report it on this thread. With things getting very tight, I'd say they will be getting more and more proactive about chasing up scammers. Maybe they'll even send investigators around to businesses to confirm whether job interviews actually took place etc. You can't fault the system for failing if you don't do your bit and snitch.

shenanigans1982 · 14-10-2008 9:43pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

Oh dear Mr Social Welfare Officer, you've called at a bad time. They are gone to visit friends in Wexford a couple of days. But they'll be back on Tuesday if you'd like to let us know when you are coming up to see them we'll get them to stay in.

Like TV licence inspectors I am sure Welfare Officer's have heard it all, just report and feel good in the knowledge you did the right thing.

KhanTheMan · 14-10-2008 9:47pm

javaboy wrote: »

You seem a bit negative about whether reporting it will do any good. If you really don't want to report it and it actually happened, please pass on the details to one of the people who said they would report it on this thread. With things getting very tight, I'd say they will be getting more and more proactive about chasing up scammers. Maybe they'll even send investigators around to businesses to confirm whether job interviews actually took place etc. You can't fault the system for failing if you don't do your bit and snitch.

As i said, they need to tally up passport arrivals with dole claims. Easy to do. yet they waste all these resources stupidly doing the wrong thing.

Ive sent an email to report him anyway. Lets see what happens.

KhanTheMan · 14-10-2008 9:48pm

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Like TV licence inspectors I am sure Welfare Officer's have heard it all, just report and feel good in the knowledge you did the right thing.

It doesnt matter what they've heard. Unlike a TV on the stand, you cant expect people to be in when you call to the house

AnonoBoy · 14-10-2008 9:51pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

It doesnt matter what they've heard. Unlike a TV on the stand, you cant expect people to be in when you call to the house

Well actually they do sometimes turn up and ring people if they're not there. had a friend that this happened to. They then set a time for him to be there for when they would call around - there was no negotiations involved. He was told that he had to be there between 10 and 1 the next day to meet with the dole inspector.

CiaranC · 14-10-2008 9:56pm

KhanTheMan wrote: »

It doesnt matter what they've heard. Unlike a TV on the stand, you cant expect people to be in when you call to the house

Have you ever had the misfortune to actually be on the dole? They dont exactly invite you in and give you hugs and kisses for your trouble. If the inspector wants to see you and you dont make it, you lose your payments.

Foreign Nationals flying in for the day to sign on the dole

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