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M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,437 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    No point in wasting money on a rail line that will not be used

    Slava Ukrainii

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭ hans aus dtschl

    I'm not sure which rail upgrades are proposed, but I think they may have ruled out direct-line to Limerick from Charleville. I think it's upgrades of the existing rail line that's proposed now. So twin-tracking the Limerick-Limerick Jn, through-running at Limerick Jn etc. That'll be used alright.

  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21

    IMO money spent on the Cork-Limerick interurban isn’t going to attract many new patrons. The most offputting elements of going from Cork to Limerick by rail are getting to/from Kent and Colbert station at either end. Improving that side of things would have major benefits.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,437 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    Even if you sorted those issues you have the problem with frequency of schedule. Neither has the demand between them to allow the frequency of service to attract enough commuters

    Slava Ukrainii

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,437 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    There is only one issue [email protected]@king very few works in Limerick city center. You have a few pound & charity shops as well as the present coffee shops After that it's the solicitors , auctioneers and accountancy firms etc most of them work from home 3 days a week on average.

    If you miss you train from Castleconnell you be in Limerick walking before the net one and Sixmilebridge would be similar. Adare dose not have the population to sustain a train service and neither dse Mungeret

    Slava Ukrainii

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭ hans aus dtschl

    We're slightly off-topic here, but good conversation.

    I think regardless what happens with the M20 Limerick-Limerick Jn needs to be upgraded, as does through-running at Limerick Jn. M20 is needed too, but for slightly different reasons.

    Kent isn't every endpoint in Cork. I'd use the Cork Commuter line to get to Limerick, for instance. And you could have future Luas users getting the train to Limerick. But Limerick Jn is definitely a bottleneck.

    But Limerick's endpoints are a bit of a problem alright though. I have walked to Dooradoyle because it was easier than public transport!

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭ Pete_Cavan

    There is no guarantee that double tracking to LJ will be part of the rail option proposal. I can't see how it would be justified for the service frequency.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭ Cookiemunster

    It doesn't need to be as Iarnrod Eireann have already said that it's to be done as part of their own upgrade plans.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭ cjpm

    Remember the big deal our transport minister was making about the proposed cost of the M20. And he kept referring to it as a 3 billion euro project.

    I’m sure he’ll have no issues stumping up the €200,000,000.00 that the DAA will be looking for shortly for a fcuking tunnel under the runway at Dublin Airport.

    But hey, cow farts are causing global warming, he’s no problem with all the flights in and out of Dublin.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭ cjpm

    I stand corrected!!

    Insane to think that a tunnel scheme at the airport, will cost between a 1/4 and a 1/5 of the entire M20 scheme including the land acquisition….

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭ DaCor

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭ Cookiemunster

    They're planning on building a 700m tunnel under the cross wind runway to facilitate access to new remote stands which are to be built on the West side of that runway.

  • Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭ KrisW1001

    ... and it will cost so much because they’re going to build it as quickly as possible while keeping the runway above in operation.

    But as already noted, DAA is a private business and this isn’t tax money.

    So... what about that M20, eh?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭ hans aus dtschl

    This month is getting on now, any signs of the preferred route announcement date?

  • Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭ Limerick74

    The preferred option was announced in March 2022.

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 13,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭ marno21

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭ KELTICKNIGHTT

    Nothing going too happen while green cabbage party leader Eamon Ryan in charge, hes probably busy planning bringing back wolfs back into Ireland countryside.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭ spacetweek


    Keep it to the M20 and the politics out please.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭ AugustusMinimus

    Goats loose at Ballybeg Bends for several days now on the main route between our 2nd and 3rd cities. Disgraceful.

  • Registered Users Posts: 573 ✭✭✭ Aontachtoir

    I think it’s less that people have stopped caring, and more that there is general acceptance that this road will never actually be built.

    We might eventually get a bypass or two along the route (Charleville, Buttevant), but anyone can see that the game is rigged. It is not possible to square the current government’s approach to the climate with building a high-quality road that would make road travel safer and simpler (and thus more attractive), that would support development in spread-out rural communities and small towns rather than in dense urban cores, and that would offer a convenient and helpful alternative to the train for getting between cities.

    The M20 will meet the same fate as any of the other much-needed roads which have not yet been built.

  • Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭ brianc89

    A motorway route via N24 and M8 between Limerick and Cork would only be c. 30km longer. Not to mention how much cheaper this would be given the M8 is built and N24 upgrade is also planned.

    Mallow should get its bypass, that's it. Other funding should be diverted to a shorter direct rail line between Cork and Limerick.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭ Schorpio

    It's not just about the added distance.

    If traffic in the City would have to get to the new route, adding pressure on the existing routes to Dublin (and eastbound).

    Part of the advantage of the new motorway option is that it creates a new arterial route in/out from the City, thereby avoiding adding more cars to existing routes (Dunkettle etc.)

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