X Factor 2008

Peewee_lane

Tony why the hell did you come onto this forum and start taking over pissing over what everyone thinks? Can you not find somehting else to give out about in the oldies forum?

We like to be positive here! Your just so negative. Go away!

S.I.R

that c*** who won lost fails at life is after killing a jeff buckly song...


im not a happy camper... :mad:

Basq

Yeah, I must agree actually. As much as I enjoyed X Factor (for the most part), the song really is worse than I imagined.

Ugghhh.. that obligatory keychange!

** puke **

Dudess

S.I.R wrote: »

that c*** who won lost fails at life is after killing a jeff buckly song

Except it's a Leonard Cohen song. And no, she didn't kill it. She sang it beautifully. Just because you're not into her style of singing, and just because you don't like the idea of the X Factor using a song by a credible artist, doesn't mean she killed it.

basquille wrote: »

Ugghhh.. that obligatory keychange!

** puke **

Well yeah, that is naff.

Dudess

Tony EH wrote: »

If I saw Alexandra down my local, I'd say "umm...decent voice". That's it. If, however, I saw her release an album she spent two years sweating over writing and producing with original material and grafting her way through live acts promoting that material, then I'd say "fair play, have a go. Not my type of music/singing, but off you go.

Both you and I know that's not going to happen.

But what's wrong with her using the X Factor as a platform rather than going the above route?

It also doesn't matter if "Girls Aloud" are massive. They're massive simply by clever marketing and kids that don't know any better. It has absolutely nothing at all do with music or quality entertainmnt.

I knew you'd say that.
Of course I know success has nothing to do with quality - but you said the success of acts who win/appear on shows like this is fleeting. Girls Aloud - prime example of how it's not always fleeting. Sure, they may become people's embarrassing first CD bought... still doesn't mean their success is fleeting. They're still around after six years and bigger than ever - that is not "fleeting" success.

JP Liz

A campaign has been launched to get Jeff Buckley to the top of the Christmas chart ahead of the winner of this year's X Factor.

Contestants Eoghan Quigg, Alexandra Burke or JLS will release a cover of Leonard Cohen song 'Hallelujah', but Buckley fans are drumming up support for his 1994 interpretation.

A Facebook group has been launched urging fans to help the Buckley track, which is currently at number 43 in the charts, reach number one by purchasing it online.

The group's description reads: "This is not a group intended to make cruel or derogatry remarks about any participants in this year's X Factor.

"But if you love Buckley's version, let's make sure everyone forgets the pale imitation as quickly as possible."

Buckley drowned in a tributary of the Mississippi River in 1996.

His version will always be the best for me

JP Liz

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

my thoughts...

Eoghan shouldn't have played the kiddie high school musical card, looking back it his earlier performances they were waaay better

Alex wasn't actually that good, she was better other weeks

poor JLS if they're going to stick with louis, they're a sort funky rnb band and louis said 'ballads sell'. oh god they should run away from Louis immediately. the market is saturated with that kind of stuff :eek: I liked them in the auditions and when they did the up tempo songs. They were totally changed for the competition but not in a good way

hearing Alex sing with beyonce, beyonce is way better anyway Alex deserved to win she was the best that was left

Beyonce is hot!

Why on earth did they pick hallelujah? both of them absolutely butchered that song. It wasn't there fault but it's just not meant to be like that

and in conclusion JLS please get as far away as possible from Louis :eek:

I agree JLS need to not stick with Louis (none of Louis's acts have never broke the US market). They should have performed Umbrella again as one their songs

Tony EH

Peewee_lane wrote: »

Tony why the hell did you come onto this forum and start taking over pissing over what everyone thinks? Can you not find somehting else to give out about in the oldies forum?

We like to be positive here! Your just so negative. Go away!

Hey, settle down Peewee. I'm not "pissing" on anything, or anyone. I'm voicing my opinion on a discussion forum. That's all.

Dudess

I genuinely think there is such outrage over Alex performing this song, not because she sang it badly (some things just aren't subjective - it cannot be said she sang it badly) or because her voice isn't suited to it, or her style isn't suited to it... but because it was originally made well known by an indie/alternative/"credible" artist whereas she was on the X Factor. I say that as moderator of Alternative & Indie and as a fan of The Fall and The Wedding Present.

Such snobbery... to heck with the semantics. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with taking things at face value. She sang that song amazingly, she is a talented young woman... why look for reasons to complain?

And why is it such a sacred cow? Because Buckley wasn't a "sell-out, man"? Because he's dead? Not good enough reasons really when she sang it so breathtakingly - in my opinion.

Our man in Havana

Folks this is not After Hours, stop cursing!

Tony EH

Dudess wrote: »

I genuinely think there is such outrage over Alex performing this song, not because she sang it badly (some things just aren't subjective - it cannot be said she sang it badly) or because her voice isn't suited to it, or her style isn't suited to it... but because it was originally made well known by an indie/alternative/"credible" artist whereas she was on the X Factor. I say that as moderator of Alternative & Indie and as a fan of The Fall and The Wedding Present.

Such snobbery... Fuk the semantics. Sometimes there's nothing wrong with taking things at face value. She sang that song amazingly, she is a talented young woman... why look for reasons to bitch?

Why is it such a sacred cow? Because Buckley wasn't a "sell-out, man"? Because he's dead? Not good enough reasons really when she sang it so breathtakingly...

You have something there alright, there is undoubtedly a "hardercore than thou" attitude to performers like this. But I think a lot of people are against "her" version, not because it's "bad", but because it's bland and pale and sometimes that's far worse. It's immitation. It's a by the numbers, uniform, step by step, joint the dots, cash in on an extremely well written song.

The problem with Alex and her "voice type" is that it's just so limited.

You find her voice and version breathtaking and that's fair enough. I actually felt the hairs on the back of my neck go rigid...for all the wrong reasons.

Dudess

Tony EH wrote: »

I think a lot of people are against "her" version, not because it's "bad", but because it's bland and pale and sometimes that's far worse. It's immitation. It's a by the numbers, uniform, step by step, joint the dots, cash in on an extremely well written song.

Yes, I agree it was pretty cynical by the producers to pick this song. I also think the arrangement with the bombastic choir and key change and drumroll etc is appallingly tacky... but I'm just focusing on her performance as she can't be blamed for the other stuff I've mentioned.

asdasd

but because it was originally made well known by an indie/alternative/"credible" artist whereas she was on the X Factor.

Actually, my dad likes Leonard Cohen and the Jeff buckley version and he is in his 60's. But yes, I take your point.

There was a similar reaction the Leona Lewis' version of Run.

Personally I am glad for these kinda cover versions, since they take the songs from of the moodily staring at my shoes brigade and extend the audiance for what are very well written songs . Songs which don't deserve to be hidden within a niche.

( not that Hallelujah is unknown anyway - there are about 100 cover versions).

omgiluvxmas

JP Liz wrote: »

I agree JLS need to not stick with Louis (none of Louis's acts have never broke the US market). They should have performed Umbrella again as one their songs

If Westlife don't break the US market by their next album i'll eat my own hand...literally.

westlife have to say, your man mark is a class singer.

Basq

A bit off-topic but..

omgiluvxmas wrote: »

If Westlife don't break the US market by their next album i'll eat my own hand...literally.

Want some ketchup for that?

They're in the latter stages of their career.. their chance disappeared after their second album.

Now all they're good for is Ratpack covers.. and well, covers in general.

Dudess

They actually have good voices all right, never noticed that until the X Factor. They're beyond diabolical though.

unreggd

Tony EH wrote: »

I think a lot of people are against "her" version, not because it's "bad", but because it's bland and pale and sometimes that's far worse. It's immitation. It's a by the numbers, uniform, step by step, joint the dots, cash in on an extremely well written song.

The problem with Alex and her "voice type" is that it's just so limited.

You find her voice and version breathtaking and that's fair enough. I actually felt the hairs on the back of my neck go rigid...for all the wrong reasons.

I dont understand why you'd listen to the song or watch the show if you're so against it

Music is subjective. You're entitled to your opinion, but IMO your's is pretty biased, and you're giving it as if it is fact

Also you said your opinion is she has an alright voice. So who would you say has a great one?

Keep in mind she's been judged on pure live performances

She cant hide behind heavily post-processed albums like Whitney and Mariah

Tony EH

1. Well, the song's been on the radio a few times today, so I listened. And it was on the tele, so I watched. Other people were looking at it, I had no choice TBH.

2. Yes, music is subjective and everyone's entitled to an opinion on it. I've haven't said anything to the contrary.

3. It's not about having a "great" voice. There were/are plenty of musical acts that have had singers with crap voices, but still made excellent music. It's the overall product that's important. The sum of all parts.

4. Yes, all the hopefuls are getting judged on live performaces and it takes balls to get up and do it. But at the end of the day, the final product is yet again a pale immitation dressed up as something spectacular and it's not. It's Eurovision by another name. It's some wannabe trying to sing "Angels" or some other piece and diluting it down to a base delivery.

asdasd

Yes, all the hopefuls are getting judged on live performaces and it takes balls to get up and do it. But at the end of the day, the final product is yet again a pale immitation dressed up as something spectacular and it's not. It's Eurovision by another name. It's some wannabe trying to sing "Angels" or some other piece and diluting it down to a base delivery.

why is it diluted down? what does that mean anyway? She seems to belt it out.

I suppose you hate the Jeff buckely version, a cover of the original vy Leonard Cohen, which is totally different. A low level rumble is replaced by a falseto.

Cant both be good.

Tony EH

It feels diluted, because it's bland. It just feels like someonegoing through the motions.

BTW, the Buckley version is great for the reasons I've outlined earlier.

Dudess

Tony EH wrote: »

It feels diluted, because it's bland. It just feels like someonegoing through the motions.

I just can't understand how you could think that.

Certainly the accompanying arrangement is, it's power ballad generica central... but the way she delivers it?

unreggd

Video of Ruth at Burn on Thursday!!

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Peewee_lane

**** pooh wee ass, her dress is yummy.

mountainyman

smelltheglove wrote: »

regob I thought the same, Alexandra is an amzing singer but Beyonce is one in a billion, unfortunately she does not show it with her music very often but she did outshine Alexandra.

Did anyone else think Ronan was trying to outsing Eoghan, he was a bit show off forceful i thought.

RUBBISH!!! Beyonce wasn't even the 2nd best singer in Destiny's Child!!!

MM

mountainyman

Dudess wrote: »

There really should be two X Factors - a kiddie one and an adult one. In a fairer world, Ruth, Laura and Alexandra would have been the final three.

Laura is nothing special at all. Aston out of JLS is a better singer. And Laura has ZERO X factor.

mountainyman

Tony EH wrote: »

The problem with Alex and her "voice type" is that it's just so limited.

Limited? How is her voice limited. She is a great singer.

mountainyman

Tony EH wrote: »

I will simply never understand the appeal of programs like these. I cannot fathom why people are so obsessed with these manufactured nobody's, who nobody will give a damn about next month.

Listening to creative people does not make you creative. I don't understand why you feel the need to trumpet your pseudo creativity.

mountainyman

Tony EH wrote: »

It feels diluted, because it's bland. It just feels like someonegoing through the motions.

BTW, the Buckley version is great for the reasons I've outlined earlier.

Yeah it is great. A burning cat would have more talent and musicianship than Jeff Buckley.

Basq

mountainyman wrote: »

A burning cat would have more talent and musicianship than Jeff Buckley.

Ah now come on... that's just insane talk!

Dudess

mountainyman wrote: »

Laura is nothing special at all.

Your opinion.

Aston out of JLS is a better singer.

Your opinion.

And Laura has ZERO X factor.

Your opinion.