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    #122
    ntlbell
    Registered Users Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    SetantaL wrote: »
    What about what SHE wants?

    That's the point here- you're applying YOUR opinions onto other people. Let them make up their own minds and you make up yours.

    I didn't say force I said "Want" I wouldn't force her to have the baby I would want/like her to have it.

    I'm not applying my opinions to to anyone, I have my opinions I don't force them on to anyone else.


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    #123
    Piste
    Registered Users Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    I would have no problem having an abortion. I wouldn't have to think it through- I already have to save time. I'd be on the next cheapest Ryanair flight to wherever did the cheapest abortions.

    The only thing is the money issue, if I didn't have the money or the father wouldn't go 50:50 I would probably try to indue miscarriage: shoulders of vodka, lots of nurofen, try to get the abortion pill online. Tbh I wouldn't mind screwing up my body and damaging myself if it got the thing out of me.

    To me abortion is killing a living thing. Yep it's alive, but I don'tthink that particularly means anything meaningful. I have no problem swatting a fly and taking its life, I don't see abortion as anything worse than that- after all, no one's going to miss it or even know it was alive.

    I am a person, I am not a glorified incubator. I believe that having an abortion would be me removing my service as an incubator. If the father kicked up a fuss then he could collect the fetus and try to incubate it himself.

    I have plenty of eggs, there's plenty of sperm in this world, I can make more babies in the future, so it would be no real loss.


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    #124
    hussey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭hussey


    Piste wrote: »
    The only thing is the money issue, if I didn't have the money or the father wouldn't go 50:50 I would probably try to indue miscarriage: shoulders of vodka, lots of nurofen, try to get the abortion pill online. Tbh I wouldn't mind screwing up my body and damaging myself if it got the thing out of me.
    So you would potentially nearly kill yourself/destroy your body rather than ask for help/loan?


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    #125
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    if not for the nazi and their experiments in the camps other wise we would not have the oral contraceptive pill

    This is completely untrue. Data collected by Nazi experimenters is also considered ethically unsound and not grounds to build upon.

    For a brief history on the Oral Contraceptive Pill see :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_oral_contraceptive_pill


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    #126
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    username123 wrote: »
    This is completely untrue. Data collected by Nazi experimenters is also considered ethically unsound and not grounds to build upon.

    For a brief history on the Oral Contraceptive Pill see :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_oral_contraceptive_pill

    The data have have been been no good, but clearly the idea was.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Butenandt


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    #127
    Piste
    Registered Users Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    hussey wrote: »
    So you would potentially nearly kill yourself/destroy your body rather than ask for help/loan?

    What am I meant to do? Go to the bank and say "hey there, been a customer of yours for a long time and I'm in a wee bit of a pickle, any chance of a loan for an ol' abortion across the pond?"


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    #128
    Cokehead Mother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Cokehead Mother


    Friends! Family! I mean it's not going to come to much more than a grand, surely someone could help you out. :eek:

    You should start an abortion jar.


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    #129
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Ah would it be even anywhere near a grand?

    Isn't the credit union a give-loans-ask-no-questions kinda place?


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    #130
    Cokehead Mother
    Closed Accounts Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Cokehead Mother


    Yes actually I was thinking in £ to $. It's like £500 which is only about €650, not nearly enough to warrant self-induced miscarriage.


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    #131
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    If you have a good record with them and can meet their stipulations the credit union is an option and yes between traveling and maybe needing to stay over and all the costs it can easily be somewhere between 700 and a 1,000 euro and then there is the fun having to get sterling.

    Most young women find themselves easily 8 weeks preggers from their last period date, freaking out and having only 4/6 weeks to get the money together for the trip.

    Where are someone in the UK can make an appointment and by week 9 pay about 100 euro and have taken the abortion pill induce a miscarriage those who have to travel have later term abortions which are phyically harder to recover from.


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    #132
    hussey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭hussey


    Piste wrote: »
    What am I meant to do? Go to the bank and say "hey there, been a customer of yours for a long time and I'm in a wee bit of a pickle, any chance of a loan for an ol' abortion across the pond?"

    Lie surely? I mean if you are willing to "screwing up my body and damaging myself" then I am sure you are willing to ask the bank/credit card company for a loan for a 'new computer'.

    P.s. I am pro-choice, I just am baffled by your logic


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    #133
    Piste
    Registered Users Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Cokehead Mother wrote: »
    Friends! Family! I mean it's not going to come to much more than a grand, surely someone could help you out. :eek:

    You should start an abortion jar.



    I should busk.



    "Needz abortion plz"


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    #134
    Piste
    Registered Users Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    hussey wrote: »
    Lie surely? I mean if you are willing to "screwing up my body and damaging myself" then I am sure you are willing to ask the bank/credit card company for a loan for a 'new computer'.

    P.s. I am pro-choice, I just am baffled by your logic

    Yeah I dunno, don't like being in debt and havent much respect for mine or anyone else's body :pac:



    I'm sure I could scrape together to money myself, like atm I could totally afford one, but this is hypothetical.


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    #135
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Cokehead Mother wrote: »
    Yes actually I was thinking in £ to $. It's like £500 which is only about €650, not nearly enough to warrant self-induced miscarriage.
    +1 - that could lead to fertility problems Piste.[/friendly advice]


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    #136
    Piste
    Registered Users Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Vodka?


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    #137
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    There's always the option to go to Holland/France and get it done for €200. The world doesn't stop at the cliffs of Dover.


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    #138
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    hussey wrote: »
    Lie surely? I mean if you are willing to "screwing up my body and damaging myself" then I am sure you are willing to ask the bank/credit card company for a loan for a 'new computer'.

    P.s. I am pro-choice, I just am baffled by your logic

    Some people are not in the place to be able do that and buying a drug via the internet or trying old wifes tales or doing a Nancy with a coat hanger is what they choose in their desperation.


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    #139
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Piste wrote: »
    Vodka?
    Induced miscarriage.


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    #140
    Piste
    Registered Users Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Interesting.





    Anyway it'll probably never come to that.


    France sounds nice though, I like France, could make a holiday of it \o/


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    #141
    hussey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭hussey


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Some people are not in the place to be able do that and buying a drug via the internet or trying old wifes tales or doing a Nancy with a coat hanger is what they choose in their desperation.

    Yes, it is a very sad situation. But Piste is not pregnant, is of clear mind, and has what seems to be no objections to do this.


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    #142
    Piste
    Registered Users Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    It'd be a last resort like, desperate times etc...


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    #143
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Piste wrote: »
    What am I meant to do? Go to the bank and say "hey there, been a customer of yours for a long time and I'm in a wee bit of a pickle, any chance of a loan for an ol' abortion across the pond?"


    How about, Hi! I'd like to go on holiday?!?
    Piste wrote: »
    The only thing is the money issue, if I didn't have the money or the father wouldn't go 50:50 I would probably try to indue miscarriage: shoulders of vodka, lots of nurofen, try to get the abortion pill online. Tbh I wouldn't mind screwing up my body and damaging myself if it got the thing out of me.

    Words escape me.


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    #144
    Anti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭Anti


    Abortion as i see it, is the choice of both parents. Unless obviously rape or what have you, the father has 0 rights.


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    #145
    Jules
    Registered Users Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Jules


    Or you could jsut add it to your sig, like Agent Smith did!


    NedzAbortion/givepisteaeuro.com!

    Sorry for o/t.. back to it!


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    #146
    hussey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭hussey


    Piste wrote: »
    It'd be a last resort like, desperate times etc...
    Tbh I wouldn't mind screwing up my body and damaging myself if it got the thing out of me.

    well which one? You had a very carefree attitude the previous page.

    I am picking at this, just in case of the 1 in a Million chance that someone will follow suit rather than taking a more logical approach.


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    #147
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    I can Assure people what any donations to Givejoe1euro.com will not go towards abortions or abortion related costs.


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    #148
    Winters
    Registered Users Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    Agent Smith wrote: »
    I can Assure people what any donations to Givejoe1euro.com will not go towards abortions or abortion related costs.
    Will they go towards metal coat hanger production? For ... clothes shops?


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    #149
    Gone West
    Registered Users Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    Agent Smith wrote: »
    I can Assure people what any donations to Givejoe1euro.com will not go towards abortions or abortion related costs.
    Yeah joe we know what you're about.
    He's living in SE Asia, and those €1's pay for many many 15 year old thai ladyboys.


    Sorry to drag a sensitive thread off topic, but thats the only direction this train is heading!


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    #150
    Sherifu
    Registered Users Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Agent Smith wrote: »
    I can Assure people what any donations to Givejoe1euro.com will not go towards abortions or abortion related costs.
    That's a shame. /puts euro away


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    #151
    Jules
    Registered Users Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Jules


    ok lads back on topic please.


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