Bareback

MIN2511

As the title goes bareback, i have noticed that a lot of PI threads are on people having unprotected sex. In this day and age, with all the publicity about STI's and unwanted pregnancies i would expect the population to be educated.

leninbenjamin

lolwtf?

shane86

MIN2511 wrote: »

As the title goes bareback, i have noticed that a lot of PI threads are on people having unprotected sex. In this day and age, with all the publicity about STI's and unwanted pregnancies i would expect the population to be educated.

I am well educated (well, well self/parentally educated at least, given the state of some of my old teachers I wouldnt rate it all on the state)

However alcohol combined with the difficulty of putting one of the fcukers on at 3am overrules it on occasion.

Always remember this Rikki Lake episode years back (yeah, I know, dunno why I watched that crap ) some 17 year old dude who looked, sounded and acted like any of the characters from Dont Be a Menace to South Central. He was dragged on the show by his sisters after fathering his 3rd kid by a 3rd girl in as many years

Sister "You gotta stop this maan, its irresponsible, you dont even look after none a dem babies!"
Kid "Aw come on gurl, yall just be playa hatin"

17 with 3 kids and the first of 14? You cant argue hes a playa

When Rikki asked why he didnt use protection he was honest

"aw cmon man, I be drunk man, and it dont even feel as good wit rubber man!"

Brutally honest.

humbert

Pretty fastidious about it actually. Would fucking hate to end up with some form of incurable knobrot, or worse, fatherhood.

LuckyStar

I have never had unprotected sex, will always use a condom and 3 weeks out of 4 I am on the pill aswell.

princess-sprkle

you'd have to be crazy to have unproptected sex really.
i mean, putting on a condom [being drunk is not an excuse not to] is way better than potential babies and diseases.

shane86

re alcohol, the majority of people I know have done below:

Falling on your head is stupid
Calling girls at 3am is stupid
Throwing up is stupid
Buying a massive amount of takeaway food at 3am is stupid
Losing money or phones is stupid


Having kids or getting a dose of black banana is just another to add to the list. Sober you wouldnt dream of any of the above. Drunk and you couldnt give a ****e.

barneysplash

You have to use a rubber always. Even for oral.

As the rap goes: you gotta have protection for the erection.

jdivision

I play on a team with a guys who are a few years younger than me (18-24) and I'm shocked sometimes at their ignorance. Most don't use protection very often and talk openly about having bareback anal with their girlfriends when they don't have condoms. They said about avoiding pregnancy and I asked them "what about everything else" and they hadn't really a clue.

Rattlehead_ie

Well I would be, to a point, with LuckyStar, both is probably the SAFEST way to go except for not having sex. I really don't think being drunk is an excuse not to use protection, as in the long run you could pay for it, with child support or a disease, but unfortunately I think that either being drunk or not having a condom available at the time would be the biggest case for this and not education.

I do understand though in longer term relationships going onto either one type of contraception for one reason or another. Full trust in your partners cleanliness and being disease free, not being BOTHERED to much if you (as a couple) get pregnant or well some people just cant wear condoms, hurts or whatever.

barneysplash

jdivision wrote: »

I play on a team with a guys who are a few years younger than me (18-24) and I'm shocked sometimes at their ignorance. Most don't use protection very often and talk openly about having bareback anal with their girlfriends when they don't have condoms. They said about avoiding pregnancy and I asked them "what about everything else" and they hadn't really a clue.

Yes I'm the same - I work with people in that age bracket and they think that
if you're on the pill you're ok. They don't remember when AIDS hit in the 80's.

Genghiz Cohen

Try putting a johnny on before you go out!
Problem solved!

tolosenc

But we're forgetting that condoms are only 98% effective...

Nevyn

MIN2511 wrote: »

As the title goes bareback, i have noticed that a lot of PI threads are on people having unprotected sex. In this day and age, with all the publicity about STI's and unwanted pregnancies i would expect the population to be educated.

Educated by whom ?

The schools won't do it, and most parents won't either.

Karoma

obl wrote: »

But we're forgetting that condoms are only 98% effective...

And only if used properly.


It's not jsut the shower in PI that are idiots.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055205580 - apparently, you only need them if you're not familiar enough with the other party... Plus, a link or two for cheaper condoms.

MIN2511

obl, 98% is better than none.

I know a lot of people who have unprotected sex and when i broach the subject it gets like f*** off... A friend had a pregnancy scare recently, she freaked out and was under a lot of stress.
For those minutes of pleasure which can cause you a life time of pain why would you not use a condom/protection?

The Dudette

obl wrote: »

But we're forgetting that condoms are only 98% effective...

This is the reason I am now almost 6 months pregnant. With my partner, thank God, but still, was a bit of a surprise you might say...

Pigman II

obl wrote: »

But we're forgetting that condoms are only 98% effective...

Yeah but if you were to wear 6 on top of each other then they're 99.9999999936% effective! I like those odds.

tolosenc

MIN2511 wrote: »

obl, 98% is better than none.

I know a lot of people who have unprotected sex and when i broach the subject it gets like f*** off... A friend had a pregnancy scare recently, she freaked out and was under a lot of stress.
For those minutes of pleasure which can cause you a life time of pain why would you not use a condom/protection?

Agreed. Unprotected sex hasn't entered my mind. Ever.
but 350 million chances after unprotected sex equates to 7 million chances(on average) if you have protected sex. They should put that in the ad.

barneysplash

Nice to see a mature discussion in the After Hours forum for a change.

MIN2511

Thaedydal wrote: »

Educated by whom ?

The schools won't do it, and most parents won't either.

Fair enough... my college has stuff posted in SU and on all boards about STI's...
There should be more education on it, it's a sensitive topic but one that should still be broached early on in life

The Dudette

Do any schools in this country have the students take home a life like baby doll to look after? You know the ones they seem to always have in american highschools etc???

Karoma

The Dudette wrote: »

Do any schools in this country have the students take home a life like baby doll to look after? You know the ones they seem to always have in american highschools etc???

Nah; most schools feel it's more cost effective to allow them to bring home a real baby and drop out of overcrowded classes.


Seriously though, the sex education I got in school covered protection at least... Nobody else got the basics? Most schools do educate the teenagers (It's probably just a bit too late for a lot)

juuge

MIN2511 wrote: »

obl, 98% is better than none.

I know a lot of people who have unprotected sex and when i broach the subject it gets like f*** off... A friend had a pregnancy scare recently, she freaked out and was under a lot of stress.
For those minutes of pleasure which can cause you a life time of pain why would you not use a condom/protection?

And not always pleasurable for both - you're right it's not worth it !

shane86

MIN2511 wrote: »

..... minutes of pleasure....

Plural?

Oh wait, Ive said too much.......

Nevyn

MIN2511 wrote: »

Fair enough... my college has stuff posted in SU and on all boards about STI's...
There should be more education on it, it's a sensitive topic but one that should still be broached early on in life

Yes colleges do 'stuff' but not everyone goes to college and not everyone goes to the classes.

Any safer sex talks I ran in college always ended up turning into sex education classes.

Terry

Condoms always.

Meet a girl, start a relationship and go to the clinic together.
No, it's not romantic, but it's better you are both checked out than both getting some sort of infection.

Masada

condoms a definately needed with new partners that you are unsure of but when it comes to long term partners, there are only around 2-3 days in every month that it is possible for a woman to become pregnant on, for roughly a week before and after a womans period it is relatively safe to have unprotected (from pregnancy at least) sex as she will only be fertile for the 3ish days 2 weeks after her period.,

Crumble Froo

Thaedydal wrote: »

Educated by whom ?

The schools won't do it, and most parents won't either.

really? that's kinda what i remember most religion and RSE classes to be about. alcohol=evil, drugs= worse, sex=horrific if you dont use condoms.

not to mention starting every thursday morning of 5th year hearing about STIs and how likely it was we would catch some...

tbh, sex without condom, just a huge huge no no for me, ive managed to enforce that one even when stociously drunk, but not for fear of STIs, so much as fear of pregnancy.

Timans

Thaedydal wrote: »

Educated by whom ?

The schools won't do it, and most parents won't either.

Schools won't do it?

We've been doing Sex Ed. since 2nd year. I'm in 6th now.

I could probably list the ingredients of the Pill by now.

Masada

yeah i finished secondry school about 3 years ago and we had been doing RSE "relationships & sex education" since 2nd year.,

Rattlehead_ie

I remember some health class and Religion class teaching about sex alright as in
1) Slot A goes into Slot B
2) NOTE: Slot A does not go into Slot C (unless she really likes you)

Never was given the whole AIDS, HIV, STI talk. Still I came out of it alright, I think!

Masada

strange how the religeon teachers always tought the sex ed aswell isnt it?.,
Our teacher was great though, she was really down to earth and could chat to anyone about anything. she didnt beleive in the whole authority thing like some teachers, she even made us address her by her first name and not "Miss",.

juuge

Rattlehead_ie wrote: »

I remember some health class and Religion class teaching about sex alright as in
1) Slot A goes into Slot B
2) NOTE: Slot A does not go into Slot C (unless she really likes you)

Or likes IT !

thefinalstage

vtec wrote: »

sex as she will only be fertile for the 3ish days 2 weeks after her period.,

Bull ****. Woman can get pregnant at any time of the month.

vtec

vtec wrote: »

condoms a definately needed with new partners that you are unsure of but when it comes to long term partners, there are only around 2-3 days in every month that it is possible for a woman to become pregnant on, for roughly a week before and after a womans period it is relatively safe to have unprotected (from pregnancy at least) sex as she will only be fertile for the 3ish days 2 weeks after her period.,

So that is nonsense.
NFP and rhythm method suggest that a woman is fertile for 10-14 days.
And Sperm can survive in the body waiting to fertilize for days, although I would never consider it, so I'm not sure if NFP considers that.
And of course that is all dependant on having on having a regular cycle, something like stress can completelly blow that out of the water.
So unless you can cope with getting preggers I think it is irresponsible to use these method

Misticles

The Dudette wrote: »

Do any schools in this country have the students take home a life like baby doll to look after? You know the ones they seem to always have in american highschools etc???

i had this for a whole weekend!! it didnt bother me cos i knew i could give it back but boy was it demanding!! feed me.. feed me... hold me.. dam thing woke up at all hours!!! i had it in class in school and it would just cry and ya would have to stick the key in untill it stopped. it was a different amount each time so ya could be there for upto 20 mins!!
dead arm!!
was educational though! i dont want a baby yet....that was the start of secondary school.. i still dont want one yet... 6-7 yrs later!

The Real B-man

I Think the majority of people will use contraception but been drunk is another thing i think we all have or will be there at some stage **** happens lucky if ya get away with it!

Masada

thelastangryman wrote: »

Bull ****. Woman can get pregnant at any time of the month.

thats the most silly and ill informed thing ive ever heard/read. nuff said.

Moonbaby wrote: »

So that is nonsense.
NFP and rhythm method suggest that a woman is fertile for 10-14 days.
And Sperm can survive in the body waiting to fertilize for days, although I would never consider it, so I'm not sure if NFP considers that.
And of course that is all dependant on having on having a regular cycle, something like stress can completelly blow that out of the water.
So unless you can cope with getting preggers I think it is irresponsible to use these method

as for the sperm, yes it can last a couple of days in extreme circumstances but its very unlikely due to temperature etc.,
Women are most certainly not fertile for anywhere near 10 days. 5 would be possible but pushing it as the regular for most women is 72hrs.
as far as the cycle is concerned you are right about how it can fluctuate but it would be silly to try to predict it and have sex unprotected before the period. My point was that you can do it afterwards safely rather than beforehand and being wrong due to fluctuations.

Nightwish

Technically a woman can get pregnant at any time of the month. She has days where she at her most fertile during the middle to the end of the cycle. It is foolish to suggest there is solely a 72 hour - 5day window where a woman can get pregnant. That may be the case as a woman approaches the later stages of fertility (late 30's/40's) but a healthy young woman is in fact very fertile, and at the peak of her fertility at late teens - 20's.

Masada

i had that same attitude at first but i spent a few years learning about the whole subject at school and we even had a doctor go through the whole thing with us aswell as the GP.
No offence but Im far more likely to agree with said doctor than someone that posted on the internet.,

edit: also nobody said there was soley a 72hr period, thats called fluctuation.,

MagicMarker

I don't use condoms, gf is on the pill. We're both clean of all STI(D)'s. I couldn't go back to condoms, I've had to do it when she came off the pill for a few weeks and it's just not the same.

People who don't use condoms with some random skank deserve all they get to be honest, and visa versa.

Lundegaard

You'd have to be a bit mental to go around shäggin' random people without a johnny..

Luckily I'm in a long term relationship and my girlfriend is on the pill...Ooooh its so much better 'bareback' but I certainly wouldn't risk it if I was free and single and having a bit of the ol' in and out with girls i barely knew, no way.

ztoical

vtec wrote: »

i had that same attitude at first but i spent a few years learning about the whole subject at school and we even had a doctor go through the whole thing with us aswell as the GP.
No offence but Im far more likely to agree with said doctor than someone that posted on the internet.,

edit: also nobody said there was soley a 72hr period, thats called fluctuation.,

This a topic I have discussed at great length with my GP who was annoyed she couldn't come to my secondary school and give a talk about sex ed. The school said too many parents would object...idoits.

Most woman use their menstrual cycle has a way to become pregnant not avoid it. If your looking to not get pregnant the pill, condoms etc is always the best option. I know a bunch of girls who think they can use this method and if they worry about it right after sex they can always take the morning after pill. One of these girls has taken the morning after pill three times in the space of two months. This is really really stupid - the morning after pill is a super high dose of the pill and its not good for your insides to take more then once in such a short space.

Back on to the menstrual cycle, there are sooooooo many factors that effect a womans cyle that it is very hard to judge when a cycle has actually begun and ended [Unless your taking your temp and checking your urine alot] Visible manifestations of ovulation are few. Just because you start bleeding doesn't actually mean its the start of a period, break through bleeding can happen. Very few woman have a regular 28 day cycle and even if you think your cycle is pretty regular there are hundreds of things that can effect your cycle - taking unrelated medication, stress, coming off the pill, smoking, drinking, douching [not common in this country but pretty common and a major factor in other countries] etc etc

Yes there are times when the risk of pregnancy is very low but never EVER say there is a window were it can never happen. Also this method only takes into consideration pregnancy and not STD's so if someone is using this method I hope its with someone they know is clean [and that they themsevles are clean] My GP has an obession with gential warts as they seem to be spreading at very high rate - she has lots of great pictures to show young people who come in to ask about pregnancy and STD's.

hey vtec are you a bog or a girl?

Masada

ztoical wrote: »

Yes there are times when the risk of pregnancy is very low but never EVER say there is a window were it can never happen. Also this method only takes into consideration pregnancy and not STD's so if someone is using this method I hope its with someone they know is clean [and that they themsevles are clean] My GP has an obession with gential warts as they seem to be spreading at very high rate - she has lots of great pictures to show young people who come in to ask about pregnancy and STD's.

hey vtec are you a bog or a girl?

Yes I agree with you on the STIs point though my original point was that with new partners you wouldnt do it and would only concider it with proper long term partners.

Docshop.com/eduaction wrote:

The ova produced by the female body during ovulation die within 24 hours of production, meaning that there is a day-long window during each fertility cycle in which a woman can conceive. As sperm will die within 2 to 5 days of ejaculation into a woman’s body, the overall window for conception is only a few days per month. As the changes in a woman’s body that signal ovulation are only detectable immediately during and after, keeping track of the fertility cycle through fertility charting is the most effective means of trying to predict the best time for conception.

This is the information I was thought from sex education class including a doctor from one of those STI clinics. The same explanation also came from my partners GP since she suffered from cycle problems from a young age and used to have to take a contraceptive pill in order to control her cycle.
Oh, and im male.:rolleyes:

MIN2511

Most folks here think sex education should be thought in schools at an earlier age but why don't we enforce it. I don't have kids but if i did i would ask the school why my kids aren't learning safe sex same as drink driving.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

would you?

why the hell wouldn't you just teach your children yourself?

ztoical

vtec wrote: »

Oh, and im male.:rolleyes:

In that case if you are relying on that method to avoid pregnancy I would hope you have very intimate knowledge of your gf's bodily functions. Its one thing when a girl tells me she knows her own body and her own clock but for a guy to know it I'd have my doubts. I've been regular as clock work since my first period at 11, never been on the pill, don't smoke or douche, and I still wouldn't feel 100% relying on timing to avoid pregnancy.


On the sex ed side, alot of schools to try and cover as much as they can but all you need is for one parent to complain and they usually shut it all down. My last year in secondary school there were at least 4 girls pregnant that I knew of in my year and a few of the GP's in the town offered to come in and do a family planning session - it would have been just for 6th year where everyone is over 16 [therefore over the age of constent] and most of them were 18 therefore old enough to vote but a couple of parents freaked, got onto the church and that was the last we heard of it.

Some parents find it very difficult to talk to their kids about sex and in some cases the parents themselves actually don't know all the information. They know where babies come from but they might not be able to tell them the difference between a male and female condom, difference betweening using the coil or going on the pill etc etc It might be better if the schools offered a class for the parents, gave them the info and let them go home and discuss the information with their children in the context of their own belief system.

MIN2511

Mordeth wrote: »

would you?

why the hell wouldn't you just teach your children yourself?

As i said if i did i WOULD.

The only sex education I ever received in secondary school was about the reproductive system of a flower.

ztoical

Deleted User wrote: »

The only sex education I ever received in secondary school was about the reproductive system of a flower.

I got to watch a video in 6th class hosted by a nun who used lots of interesting euphemisms for the various body parts. contraception was never once mentioned. We also watched another video hosted by padjoe [showing how old I am] that stupid rat puppet thing off rte - did anyone else watch that video? it was all about not letting bad men thouch your bits.