MMA/UFC/PRIDE/K-1 discussion thread

I think its a good idea to dedicate a thread to the daily goings on in MMA which we can just update about the daily news regarding upcoming fights etc.

Today Dana said that the PRIDE takeover was complete and that they were looking to get ALL the PRIDE guys over to the UFC. This goes against what was originally said which was that they were gonna co-exist as they always have and that the likes of Fedor/Shogun/Aoki/Hunt etc etc were gonna be staying over in PRIDE except for the "Superbowl" shows once a year. Personally Im disappointed because this means no more Grand Prixs, big show production, PRIDE Theme music and wailing ring announcer!!! i also like the way PRIDE have the pre fight announcements done in around a minute whereas Bruce Buffer likes to drag it out over 5-10 minutes!!!



Also has anyone heard if Saku is gonna get medical clearance to fight Royce on Saturday??

Pride Fighter

I hope you are wrong. Pride rules. It makes no business sense to amalgamate them as Pride has the Japanese and Korean PPV market sewn up. UFC is nothing in Asian MMA just like Pride is nothing in North America (in terms of exposure and revenue). I dont think it will happen.

The Sparrow

For what its worth, Id definitely support a new MMA forum...

On the Pride thing, it looks now like they have given up running two seperate promotions because they are bringing most of the fighters over to UFC. Noguiera, Dan Henderson and now Mauricio Shogun Rua looks to be signed (and may debut in Belfast apparently:D )

My hunch is that they will use the Pride name to market UFC's tours to Japan in the future and have one or two big shows in Tokyo a year with the UFC belts defended under the Pride name. Its a shame because I liked the Pride shows.

Pride Fighter

Pride Fighter wrote:

I hope you are wrong. Pride rules. It makes no business sense to amalgamate them as Pride has the Japanese and Korean PPV market sewn up. UFC is nothing in Asian MMA just like Pride is nothing in North America (in terms of exposure and revenue). I dont think it will happen.

They already said before that the rules were gonna be unified to UFC rules...i.e no soccer kicks or knees on the ground.


I agree, shutting PRIDE down is a stupid move since its an established brand name and the leading MMA brand in Asia. Shutting it down completely makes no sense at all.

woooo232

woooo232 wrote:

For what its worth, Id definitely support a new MMA forum...

On the Pride thing, it looks now like they have given up running two seperate promotions because they are bringing most of the fighters over to UFC. Noguiera, Dan Henderson and now Mauricio Shogun Rua looks to be signed (and may debut in Belfast apparently:D )

My hunch is that they will use the Pride name to market UFC's tours to Japan in the future and have one or two big shows in Tokyo a year with the UFC belts defended under the Pride name. Its a shame because I liked the Pride shows.

I doubt Shogun is gonna debut in Belfats unless theyre planning another Belfast show soon. The card for Belfast is finalised and theyd definitely have announced someone like Shogun by now.

Shogun is on of my favourite fighters though so Id love to see him in the UFC.

UFC are back in London in September and Mirko is on the card again so will be going to that!!!

This news is a few days old but apparently Frank Trigg is offering himself as a wrestling coach for the next series of the Ultimate Fighter. He did it on MMAweekly radio!! He said his motive was to beat Matt Hughes (since he seems incapable of doin that in the ring!!:D ) Should be a good series, genuine heat between Hughes and Serra and both guys are pretty good coaches. UFC must be pretty happy to have the fans hate Hughes though, since he became hugely unpopular after the last series and I cant see them rescuing his image since that does appear to be his personality.

Dragan

Hmmmm. I don't hate Hughes, to be honest. I like him. He is good, and he knows he's good, and there is nothing wrong with that. Does he talk ****? Sure does. Does he back it up? Pretty much everytime.

Evil_Clown

Good idea for the thread Neil

Whats the story with that K1 Dynamite this weekend
Is Lesnar facing Choi or is someone else Lined up ?
Also is it on tv or will I have to download it after ?

Also I can't stand Matt Hughes I think he is really smug
He is a really good fighter but still smug
The guy loves the smell of his own farts

Dragan

Dragan wrote:

Hmmmm. I don't hate Hughes, to be honest. I like him. He is good, and he knows he's good, and there is nothing wrong with that. Does he talk ****? Sure does. Does he back it up? Pretty much everytime.

I do admire him as he fighter but u cant deny he behaves like an ass. he is a great fighter, his 2nd fight with Trigg showed that hes hard as nails! He is also a hypocrite. He took a dislike to Jason von Flue out of nowhere for no particular reason when he was supposed to be coaching him and helping him prepare for fights. He then gave out to Rashad for showboating even though Rashad wasnt on his team. He then came in as a guest coach last year and just tried to rag on GSP the whole time. If u read his blogs about God etc etc he is one of those "holier than thou" type of people who I personally cant stand.

I didnt like the way he ran his mouth about BJ after their fight even though it was clear as day who the better fighter is. He then got offended by GSP saying he wasnt impressed with his performance!!!! GSP was just doin exactly what Hughes does!!

Therefore it was just great to see GSP whip his ass after all the crap he talked about GSP before the fight.

If u go on any of the mma forums u will notice just how unpopular he is, most of my friends are of the same opinion, I just find him very hard to like.

Evil_Clown

Evil_Clown wrote:

Good idea for the thread Neil

Whats the story with that K1 Dynamite this weekend
Is Lesnar facing Choi or is someone else Lined up ?
Also is it on tv or will I have to download it after ?

Also I can't stand Matt Hughes I think he is really smug
He is a really good fighter but still smug
The guy loves the smell of his own farts

To the best of my knowledge Lesnar vs Choi is still on along with Saku vs Royce but Im worried Saku wont get medical clearence to fight. Not only that but K-1 said that they have no alternate in case of this.


Its gonna have to be a download job Id say, Eurosport will probably show it but not for a few months! Such a pain this downloading business..... btw will ya pm me the site u use for this?


I agree about Hughes, great fighter, horrible person.

cletus

choi is not fighting, he has ben replaced by min soo him

MMAWeekly updated their world rankingsa today:

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

3. Mirko Cro Cop

4. Josh Barnett

5. Randy Couture

6. Gabriel Gonzaga

7. Tim Sylvia

8. Andrei Arlovski

9. Fabricio Werdum

10. Aleksander Emelianenko

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LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (205-pound limit)

#1 Light Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Mauricio "Shogun" Rua

2. Quinton Jackson

3. Chuck Liddell

4. Dan Henderson

5. Wanderlei Silva

6. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou

7. Ricardo Arona

8. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira

9. Tito Ortiz

10. Kazuhiro Nakamura

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MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)

#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Matt Lindland

2. Anderson Silva

3. Paulo Filho

4. Rich Franklin

5. Dan Henderson

6. Denis Kang

7. Nathan Marquardt

8. Robbie Lawler

9. Kazuo Misaki

10. Frank Trigg

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WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)

#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Matt Serra

2. Georges St. Pierre

3. Matt Hughes

4. Josh Koscheck

5. Karo Parisyan

6. BJ Penn

7. Diego Sanchez

8. Jon Fitch

9. Jake Shields

10. Akira Kikuchi

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LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION (160 pounds and lower)

#1 Lightweight Fighter in the World: Takanori Gomi

2. Hayato Sakurai

3. Gilbert Melendez

4. Tatsuya Kawajiri

5. Shinya Aoki

6. Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro

7. Joachim Hansen

8. Mitsuhiro Ishida

9. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto

10. Sean Sherk






I agree about Shogun, how Kid is onyl 9 i dunno, Matt Serra wasnt even ranked before he fought GSP (cant argue tho, be the best - beat the best and all that), the big one for me is why Lindland is #1 MW.......hes great and all but his record in the last few years isnt #1

cletus

cletus wrote:

choi is not fighting, he has ben replaced by min soo him

-Brock Lesnar vs. Min Soo Kim
-Royce Gracie vs. Kazushi Sakuraba [pending Sakuraba's medical clearance]
-Melvin Manhoef vs. Yoon Dong Sik
-"Mighty" Mo Siliga vs. Choi Mu Bae
-Johnnie Morton vs. Bernard Ackah
[Note: Marvin Eastman vs. Ray Sefo is off]




If Royce - Saku is off then theyre in trouble

judas101

interesting how Dan Henderson is considered to be the 4th best heavyweight and 5th best middleweight. does this not seem odd?
i've never seen him fight but am aware he's the current pride champ in both.

hardCopy

Saku is apparently cleared and will fight

Marathon Man

Pride now caught in a RNC by UFC. Enough to make a grown man cry. Hopefully Pride won't tap out just yet.

The Sparrow

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I doubt Shogun is gonna debut in Belfats unless theyre planning another Belfast show soon. The card for Belfast is finalised and theyd definitely have announced someone like Shogun by now.

Shogun is on of my favourite fighters though so Id love to see him in the UFC.

UFC are back in London in September and Mirko is on the card again so will be going to that!!!

Well they couldnt announce anything until he was all signed up... he might not fight, but it looks like he will definitely debut in belfast

http://ufcmania.com/2007/05/22/chuteboxecom-mauricio-shogun-rua-added-to-ufc-roster/

judas101

judas101 wrote:

interesting how Dan Henderson is considered to be the 4th best heavyweight and 5th best middleweight. does this not seem odd?
i've never seen him fight but am aware he's the current pride champ in both.

Those rankings are very flawed but still MMAWeekly remains the most highly regarded of all of the rankings out there.


I think dan is the number 2 MW behind Paulo Filho and I think he's the number 3 LHW behind Shogun and Rampage.

I had Chuck at number 2 before the Quinton fight for his sloppy gassed out performance against Tito so this loss IMO drops him behind Dan but no lower.

hardCopy

hardCopy wrote:

Saku is apparently cleared and will fight

Great stuff, I cant wait for that! Ill be up early on Sunday morning now!!

woooo232

woooo232 wrote:

Well they couldnt announce anything until he was all signed up... he might not fight, but it looks like he will definitely debut in belfast

http://ufcmania.com/2007/05/22/chuteboxecom-mauricio-shogun-rua-added-to-ufc-roster/

Oh man, i hope that if thats true we give him the big reception that he deserves unlike those drunk fools in Vegas who didnt know who Dan or Minotauro or Crocop or Rampage or any of the new guys were before they came.

Fozzy

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I agree, shutting PRIDE down is a stupid move since its an established brand name and the leading MMA brand in Asia. Shutting it down completely makes no sense at all.

PRIDE were losing money until the UFC bought them, weren't they? I think Dana was commenting on how badly PRIDE were run in one interview, so maybe it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't want to continue PRIDE in the same format as it was

Sakuraba has been cleared for K-1 and Ruben Villareal has replaced Mu Bae Choi against Mighty Mo. Bernard Ackah hasn't been cleared yet. Sakuraba was actually cleared for the show before Royce was

Wanderlei Silva vs Chuck Liddell is being talked about for London in September

Fozzy

Fozzy wrote:

PRIDE were losing money until the UFC bought them, weren't they? I think Dana was commenting on how badly PRIDE were run in one interview, so maybe it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't want to continue PRIDE in the same format as it was

Sakuraba has been cleared for K-1 and Ruben Villareal has replaced Mu Bae Choi against Mighty Mo. Bernard Ackah hasn't been cleared yet. Sakuraba was actually cleared for the show before Royce was

Wanderlei Silva vs Chuck Liddell is being talked about for London in September

Mighty Mo SHOULD whoop Villareal. Looking forward to that now.

PRIDE were losin money cos they lost their TV deal due to ties with the Yakuza (Jap mafia). Now that the Fertittas had control that shouldnt have been a problem, the Japanese fans love all that big production and lights etc etc. Most fans of PRIDE will be gutted to lose the GP and the 10 card fights packed with quality fighters.


Where did u hear that? Ill be on the first flight over if thats true.

Evil_Clown

Silva vs Liddell
That would be sweet
If anyone hears any more about this could they please post it, cheers

Strong rumour goin around that UFC 75 in London will feature Arlovski vs Crocop.

If the RUMOURS are true and the other main fight is Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva then taht would be pretty sweet!! And well worth the trip!!

Kazooie

Deleted User wrote:

Strong rumour goin around that UFC 75 in London will feature Arlovski vs Crocop.

If the RUMOURS are true and the other main fight is Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva then taht would be pretty sweet!! And well worth the trip!!

As much as I'd love to see Crocop V Arlovski, I'd prefer it happened when one of them was champ. Whoever loses will have a hard time gettin back to the top.

Although he probably doesn't deserve it after his recent displays, I thought Arlovski was already the Number 1 contender to face the winner of Randy Gonzaga?

Kazooie

Kazooie wrote:

As much as I'd love to see Crocop V Arlovski, I'd prefer it happened when one of them was champ. Whoever loses will have a hard time gettin back to the top.

Although he probably doesn't deserve it after his recent displays, I thought Arlovski was already the Number 1 contender to face the winner of Randy Gonzaga?

id imagine theyre gonna see how Vera comes back along with the outcome of Mir/ Sylvia.


It makes sense in so far as Mirko was higher up the ladder than AA before UFC 70. So we'll see. Mirko is DEFINITELY fighting in London. Ill post the source 2moro when im at home cos i have limited web access here. Its also on mmaweekly under the rumours section. As for the AA fight thats still a rumour but a strong one at that.

Kazooie

Kazooie wrote:

As much as I'd love to see Crocop V Arlovski, I'd prefer it happened when one of them was champ. Whoever loses will have a hard time gettin back to the top.

Although he probably doesn't deserve it after his recent displays, I thought Arlovski was already the Number 1 contender to face the winner of Randy Gonzaga?

id imagine theyre gonna see how Vera comes back along with the outcome of Mir/ Sylvia.


It makes sense in so far as Mirko was higher up the ladder than AA before UFC 70. So we'll see. Mirko is DEFINITELY fighting in London. Ill post the source 2moro when im at home cos i have limited web access here. Its also on mmaweekly under the rumours section. As for the AA fight thats still a rumour but a strong one at that.

Fozzy

K-1 have changed the Lesnar vs Kim Min-soo and Sakuraba vs Royce fights from 5 rounds to 3 rounds. Doesn't really make sense for Saku/Gracie, given how long their first fight was. Apparently the promoters want every fight to be the same rules

If Lesnar wins, you can almost be certain that he'll be signed up by the UFC pretty quick

Fozzy

Fozzy wrote:

K-1 have changed the Lesnar vs Kim Min-soo and Sakuraba vs Royce fights from 5 rounds to 3 rounds. Doesn't really make sense for Saku/Gracie, given how long their first fight was. Apparently the promoters want every fight to be the same rules

If Lesnar wins, you can almost be certain that he'll be signed up by the UFC pretty quick

I think Lesnar is on a multi fight exclusive contract so i doubt he's goin anywhere. He looked like he'd learned how how box or at least his stance and footwork looked better than I thought itd be!!! He needs some fights and work his way into MMA first.


The Royce saku fight was dire, there was no winner imo, they should both have been docked pay and sent home!!

So the rumour going around now is that NSAC arent gonna let Mir fight Sylvia due to his low level of performance in the past few fights hes had. Dunno how legit this is but thats the word. Seems strange since he beat him before!

Fozzy

Deleted User wrote:

I think Lesnar is on a multi fight exclusive contract so i doubt he's goin anywhere.

He said in an interview no more than 2 months ago that it was a one-fight deal: http://www.mmanews.com/other/Exclusive:-In-Depth-Interview-w-Brock-Lesnar-%5BPt.-1%5D.html. I think we'll be seeing Brock in the UFC very soon

Domster

So the rumour going around now is that NSAC arent gonna let Mir fight Sylvia due to his low level of performance in the past few fights hes had. Dunno how legit this is but thats the word. Seems strange since he beat him before!

It's not a rumour. Here's what it says at UFC Junkie

Reports: Frank Mir Scratched from UFC 74 Bout with Tim Sylvia

Tim Sylvia is still expected to fight at UFC 74 in August, but according to recent reports, it won’t be against his fellow former champion Frank Mir.

The two former UFC heavyweight title-holders were expected to battle on UFC 74’s main card on Aug. 25. However, according to the Wrestling Observer, the Nevada State Athletic Commission stepped in and said Mir wasn’t ready to face someone of Sylvia’s caliber. Keith Kizer, the NSAC executive director, made the decision after he factored in Mir’s poor showing against Brandon Vera at UFC 65.

Mir hasn’t fought since that 69-second TKO loss seven months ago. He was slated to face Antoni Hardonk at UFC Fight Night 9 in April but eventually pulled out of the bout with a shoulder injury.

Considering the extent of some past UFC mismatches, the NSAC’s decision to step in with this particular case does seem odd. Assuming Mir, a Las Vegas native, is declared physically fit to compete, should the NSAC then be allowed to step and decide which opponents are suitable?

The bigger question, though, is what’s next for Sylvia. The former champ, who was defeated by Randy Couture at UFC 68 in March, has been vocal about his perceived mistreatment by the UFC. Saying he’s been “kicked around” by the UFC since joining the organization in 2002, Sylvia has been pushed aside as the UFC’s heavyweight division experiences an influx of talent. UFC president Dana White has made no comments about when — if ever — Sylvia may get a chance to reclaim his belt.

Regardless, a win at UFC 74 would be a requirement. Unfortunately, we’ll have to wait to find out a possible opponent.

Domster

Domster wrote:

It's not a rumour. Here's what it says at UFC Junkie

UFCJunkie is a rumour based website predominantly. But thanks for posting the link.


Regardless it does seem odd considerin Mir beat him before and Tim got annihalated by Randy.

Fozzy

Fozzy wrote:

He said in an interview no more than 2 months ago that it was a one-fight deal: http://www.mmanews.com/other/Exclusive:-In-Depth-Interview-w-Brock-Lesnar-%5BPt.-1%5D.html. I think we'll be seeing Brock in the UFC very soon

I had read that he'd signed for 3 fights I think. The source was mmaweekly but its an old article so not sure if it was BEFORE he officially signed.

Thats good though but theyd better watch out cos Strikeforce, EliteXC and some of the newer promotions may throw a lot of money at him for exposure.

mark.leonard

Brock was on a one fight deal alright.

Evil_Clown

I watched the entire K1 Dynamite last night

It was pretty disappointing to be honest
Mighty Mo broke Villareal's eye socket which looked pretty sore
The saku gracie fight was awful, at one point they were both against the ropes having a conversation, lame

That football guy (i forget his name) will be consigned to small promotions I think after Bernard ackah knocked him out and he had to leave in a stretcher.

There was a bonus fight with that Brad guy from cage rage, that was ok

The Best fight of the night was dong-sik vs Manhoef, this was a typical grappler against maniac striker, it went over and back for a while with dong getting a closed eye but getting manhoef witrh a couple of good judo throws and eventuallt submitting him

Lesnar won with ground and pound against a poor opponent

I don't think Lesnar has a contract, because after the show he said that he will look and all options from other promotions that come in for him (a basic plea to ufc)
He then said he " wanted to get some belts on the line"

Evil_Clown

Evil_Clown wrote:

He then said he " wanted to get some belts on the line"

He's jumpin the gun. If hes smart he'll take a few more cans and train more and climb the ladder slowly. If he gets put in there with guys who are able to fight, unlike his opponent on saturday, he could be in trouble. He wasnt THAT great a wrestler in Division 1, hes a physical sepcimen more than anything, he needs to be careful Id imagine when he gets hit in the face, real hard, he might reconsider jumping straight in there with the very best.

Fozzy

Deleted User wrote:

He wasnt THAT great a wrestler in Division 1, hes a physical sepcimen more than anything

You don't consider an amateur record of 106-5 great?!

Fozzy

Fozzy wrote:

You don't consider an amateur record of 106-5 great?!

Anyone can amass a record like that against lesser competition, u gotta look at how he did in Division 1 as the marker. He did ok but nothing like what Koscheck, Hughes etc did. He never made Pan Am level like Randy or Olympic level like Gardner, Hendo and Lindland.


Take Diego Sanchez and his 16-0 record going into the ultimate fighter house, not sayin Diego isnt legit, hell he beat Karo.....but u gotta look at the competition not the numbers. Brocks size alone should win over most competitiors at a certain level.

Look at Eddie Sanchez, he was "undefeated" going into his fight with Crocop and he literally ran away from him the whole time.

Rumour going around MMA forums that the UFC 75 in London card is going to have:


Crocop vs Arlovski
Rampage vs Hendo



Now I dont believe that theyd have Rampage vs Hendo in Engerland when they had the whole in ring promo is Vegas but thats the rumour.



Its on in the O2 arena which would be worth the trip alone to see!!

cowzerp

Fozzy wrote:

You don't consider an amateur record of 106-5 great?!

This record is class and it does not even matter what level the fights are at, i'd be suprised if he did not beat top wrestlers in this anyway..

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote:

This record is class and it does not even matter what level the fights are at

Course it does. If a BJJ Black Belt entered a grappling tourney at whitebelt level..........think about it.

Look before some WWE fans gets their panties in a twist, what I was tryin to say was that Brock Lesnar is not an ELITE level wrestler. Hes only been training MMA for the guts of a year so give him time.


Elite level wrestlers in MODERN mma have to know their subs and striking. U cant get away with it like Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr did back in the day, the game has evolved. In order to be top of the food chain, Brock would need a lot more than just his size, strength and wrestling ability alone.

cowzerp

im sure he did not take all them fights against easy opponents, Black belt in bjj against white belt is a massive difference and very disrespectful to brocks record imo, if your right then there is no point even talking about his record or him competing at all-but i think your wrong-do you think coaches would keep putting there beginners in with a fella with a record like this? No, thought so, he must have been a good wrestler.

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote:

im sure he did not take all them fights against easy opponents, Black belt in bjj against white belt is a massive difference and very disrespectful to brocks record imo, if your right then there is no point even talking about his record or him competing at all-but i think your wrong-do you think coaches would keep putting there beginners in with a fella with a record like this? No, thought so, he must have been a good wrestler.

Jesus christ will ya read what i said just above u. Imnot dissin his skills, I just said try to look at it objectively instead of letting numbers fool you. Ill go home tonight and get his record and opponents and put it up then ok?

The balck belt/whitebelt was an extreme example.


Its like if u go to a high school in america which has a great wrestling coach but you are the only good wrestler there. The district is weak for competition but they still hold state championships every year. So u go out and win your league against relatively easy competition and amass a record of 45-0. Now that does not mean u are necessarily a sensational wreslter, how do u know his 6 losses werent on the 6 occasions that he stepped upto some real competition?

dlofnep

Deleted User wrote:

Now that does not mean u are necessarily a sensational wreslter, how do u know his 6 losses werent on the 6 occasions that he stepped upto some real competition?

Because he is an NCAA champ, which basically means - he was near olympic level at wrestling and would of having the chance to prove it if he didn't go to the WWE.

Okay i gotta clear this up once and for all. Ill google it later for exact facts.

Lesnar to the best of my knowledge was a 4 time All American and NCAA HW Champ in 2000. Thats impressive. BUT people are overestimating his wrestling credentails. He did not make it to Pan American or Olympic level, and i know not a lot of guys do make it that far, but there have been better wrestlers in MMA, like Kerr, like Coleman (who defeated Kurt Angle in a pre Olympic trial match) who in todays MMA are not at the very top of the food chain.

Himself and Kurt Angle had a wrestling (real) match backstage in WWE when Lesnar 1st got to the top and the general consensus wass that it lasted approx 45 seconds before Kurt won. Now when u consider guys like Coleman have beaten Kurt Angle, and then look at his MMA record since the evolution of the game, its pretty obvious that Brock Lesnar has a long way to go.

dlofnep

dlofnep wrote:

Because he is an NCAA champ, which basically means - he was near olympic level at wrestling and would of having the chance to prove it if he didn't go to the WWE.

Far as I know it goes NCAA then Pan Am, then Olympic level.


Randy Couture was Pan Am

Coleman made Olympic trials

Kerr was an NCAA champ so he's probably the best bench mark as well as the fact that he's made of muscle. Kerr wrecked himself with the drugs so I guess its not the best benchmark but hey, IF Lesnar is able to handle getting punched in the face then he could be a force alright.

I am gonna stand corrected on this one. I got that mixed up, he's obviously a helluva wrestler. Go on abuse me, Im a man, I can take it......but be gentle!!!

Fozzy

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Himself and Kurt Angle had a wrestling (real) match backstage in WWE when Lesnar 1st got to the top and the general consensus wass that it lasted approx 45 seconds before Kurt won. Now when u consider guys like Coleman have beaten Kurt Angle, and then look at his MMA record since the evolution of the game, its pretty obvious that Brock Lesnar has a long way to go.

I don't think you can say anything is obvious just by looking at a short match two guys had while they were messing around! Obviously I'm a pro-wrestling fan, but it's more than just that that makes me believe Lesnar's got what it takes. I mean, I don't think Angle stands a chance if he actually does end up having an MMA match. Brock is different though. Obviously he has some degree of talent in wrestling, more than most wrestlers, but most important is that he isn't relying solely on his existing talent, he's going out and training in other areas. I think Brock came second in the '99 NCAA championships too, he didn't get a chance to get any further in amateur wrestling after that though, he signed with WWE as soon as he left college I think

Frank Shamrock is fighting Phil Baroni in two weeks time in EXC. Frank's training with Dan Henderson next week, might turn out to be a good fight. Rampage said in an interview that his fight with Henderson will be in London. If they keep having so many English events, Bisping will probably never fight in America again!

Roger Huerta was taken off UFC 74 and put on the Ultimate Fighter finale, bit strange I thought. Huerta had an excellent fight last time, that's the sort of stuff that would make people want to buy the ppv

crazy monkey

Kurt Angle beat Lesnar in a wrestling match as in a pin
Kurt couldn't last in MMA as he is physically fecked up...rumours of addiction to pain killers. In his last WWE match he torn muscles across his whole body...

Lesnar does need some work. Boxing/thai boxing.
I personally thought he just didn't want to bruise a knuckle hitting his opponent.
He is a great physical specimen.
No doubt he has a future.
The guy is no thick.

As for similarities with Kerr there are more than you know..don't forget Lesnar was arrested for buying illegal/banned drugs [steroids]

As for Kerr, he was a mental shambles by the end of his ''prime''
Watch the smashing machine
Since then he's pulled out of numerous low key/up and coming promotions for various reasons, such as pay, travel, illness and injury.
Kerr was ahead of the curve, for the ''wrestlers'' anyway.
While Coleman and Randleman were concentrating on wrestling at the star and the middle of the careers, Kerr starting training in Thai boxing after his first few fights by the time he left the UFC he was training with Bas Rutten.

Shame what's happened to him and Coleman.

Lindland is a terrific wrestler and great MMA fighter.
Have to remember lately he's being fighting much bigger guys and these days they don't come much bigger than Fedor.

Randy is a robotic with a brain and always brings a relentless 5 round game plan. Watch the Sylvia fight.
He destroyed Sylvia mentally in that fight. Round three is the best example...The striking round. By round 5 Sylvia asked...''Is this the fifth round?'' Gone mentally. Randy is top of the wrestlers who converted to MMA.

Hendo is very similar to Randy. Great at both weight divisions a win for Rampage really gives the UFC ''weight'' in Asia. After all that win for Rampage would be bigger than when Diaz beat Gomi.

In an interview Dana said something along the lines of - Diaz was cut from the UFC and he beat the hell out of Gomi...and to think Diaz was cut from the UFC...

Dana mentioned that Diaz won but was cut from the UFC about 10 times...in the interview I read.

Wrestlers do great in MMA
So too do grapplers from a bjj background lets not forget Karo and his Judo.

I love strikers don't get me wrong just adding my two cents on the wrestlers angle that jumped up from this thread.

I can't remember where I saw the quote so I only have my word...hope that's good enough.