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ChocolateSauce wrote: »People like prostitutes make me scream something else.
Oh God yes!! Just like that!! No, No, don't move from that spot!!
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I'm a glutton for punishment. Plus i'm a bit bored.Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »On the drug dealing / loan sharking, I just relate it to this in the sense that it is people taking advantage of people in weak positions.
And you have yet to show how prostitutes are taking advantage of anyone... I've pointed out multiple times why the people who go to prostitutes are doing so from their own free will, but you've yet to give substantive reasons as to why they're taking advantage of their customers.....
Really I'd like an answer to this one.You speak of hookers making far more money / less hours. Again Greed. Greed - the very same reason people are getting shot in Dublin these days.
As for greed, the majority of people work to earn money. Prostitutes are no different than most other people in that regard.
People are getting shot in Dublin for the same reasons they were getting shot 20 years ago. Greed, jealousy, power struggles, territory divisions, racial tensions, etc.What the **** is with this country? It seems the prostitution business has moved along with the times quite well - going from resorting throught financial need to simply doing so in order to top up on their already secure job etc. Its just typical Irish really. It shows we would stop at nothing in our quest for money. Wait a year or two, hopefully things will get bad, then half the country might end up on the clock. Wouldnt that be such a wonderful spectacle.
understanding this part was a bit of struggle... In fact, i can't make head nor tails of it. Can anyone explain in other words for me?When you speak of drugs being addictive / dangerous, I still maintain dealing dealing is in the same bracket as prostitution in that its a certain target audience involved.
Yes, they do. Everyone. From all walks of life, from all financial backgrounds, and every mentality that exists.You say its non-addictive etc. But in reality, those who avail of prostitutes regularly obviously develop an over relience. We've all being introduced to the rather new phenomenon thrown about lately (one I tend to pass off) of a sex addict
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And you're basing this on........ what? From the period of 18-23 i visited roughly 20 prostitutes, I didn't go again until i was 27 and that was a once off, and then again 4 times in 6 months while in China, and once in Japan before i came back to Ireland. I'm now 31. And in the four months i've been back i haven't had sex with anyone, prostitute or otherwise. Where does the over-reliance on prostitutes come into this. During all of these periods, i was meeting women in clubs, online, or through friends, dating and... having sex. I also had a number of relationships through the last decade, and never once cheated on anyone.
There's a practical example for you. And I am not a sex addict by any shape of the phrase. So how does your knowledge of this area come into affect with my own experience?Those who feel the need to get off with hookers on a periodic basis differ little from those who feel the need to do drugs in order to socialise better.
If you had ever been to a prostitute you would know better. Customers might gain a level of friendship with them, but nothing more is likely. Its only those very new to going to prostitutes that fall in love with them, but thats a lesson learned very very quickly.
Most people go to prostitutes for simplicity sake. To get something without having to jump through the hoops that society tells us we have to do.It can be such things as escapism etc. At first, prostitution is an outlet for the release of frustration on behalf of the patron, and then (only in the cases of those worse off, like eventual drug addicts) the relience develops, and then it gets dirty.
hahahahahahahaha..... <deep breath> hahahahahaha... then it gets dirty? omg.
You really have very little comprehension as to what a visit to a prostitute is like, especially once you've been to a few. The way you describe it places it on a much higher pedestal than I would. So romantic, so exciting. haha.your views on sexual relations - I understand you 100%, just like most the lads I know. I would tend to be laughed at for holding such a romantic view of the whole thing in a society where its 'every lad's aim'....
You don't understand me at all. Otherwise you wouldn't keep repeating this muck. I spelt it out to you in two points about sex, and you've walked right past them and spewed this garbage out. Please, actually read what I say, rather than skimming it.
I'm curious.... have you had sex yet? (more than once)You say drugs can result in death - well now driving cars result in death etc etc....
Wonderful! Now whats your point? You have yet to refute what i said.What would any of the prostitutes you happen to know think of the happenstance of the same married man coming to them week after week without fail.
They would be happy with the business. Its no different to a married man coming to a bar every week and getting drunk. They'd be happy with the business, and consider that the mans personal life is his own. Perhaps they might drop a few hints, but its highly unlikely they would want him to stop coming. Come on, be a little realistic.I know it sounds stereotypical what im saying, but this carry-on does happen, and id guess its not uncommon here in Ireland. Would she begin to feel a sense of pity for this chap? Or just keep ridin away whilst the money's flying in the door (akin to a dealer and the junky).
The junkie and dealer crap doesn't fly. I've responded to it plenty of times already, and you still havent made a decent case to support it.
The man has no responsibility of his own in this case? Perhaps his wife finds sex painful, and he comes to the prostitute to relieve himself, and to save his wife the pain of sex? It is possible.
You see, i as a user of prostitutes find that we choose to go to them. We choose to pay them for sex. We choose to come back. (or not). We choose. We choose. We Choose. Maybe after I say it a few times, you'll see what i'm writing. We make the choice to go to prostitutes. They're not casting love spells on us....You might now see where im getting at. Dirty business all across the board. Its ismply feeding off the less well off in a personal sense.
Crap. More of the same. You dont think people are capable of making their own decisions.... And i dont particularly see it as dirty. Sure any married man or woman that uses the services of a prostitute is in the wrong, although there are circumstances which i might be more forgiving of.
You see I have never cheated on anyone before. I've had plenty of opportunities but its not something i approve of. But even then, i just dont agree with you. Your reasoning continues to be flawed.And what about my harsh view on the 'punters'. Why should I pretend otherwise in my feelings. Last resorts are only for certain people.
Because you keep saying what the punters feel. You keep pretending an empathy that just isn't there. You dont understand, and don't care to understand their desires or motivations. You keep saying the reasons why they're going to prostitutes, but you're unwilling to actually try to understand them...
And because of that lack of understanding, all your opinions about why they go to prostitutes are worthless. You don't understand prostitutes and you don't understand the customers. So in what reality do your opinions come from?0 -
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Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »To me, its taking advantage in the sense that plenty of the fellas who go to prostitutes do so out of a certain level of desperation. Some can be married etc. It is in my view taking advantage as its simply an outlet for those who cannot obtain sex on merit. Many do avail of hookers out of desperation, a personal pick-me-up etc. I see prostitutes as women lying in wait for the sad piece of **** to come along.... Those with confidence etc will get sex on merit, with someone in the same boat.
Around we go again. You see prostitutes as lying in wait to hook insecure guys in, but the simple fact is that all men or women that go to prostitutes do so of their own free will, and continue to do so out of choice. You are entitled to your opinion, but.... its just wrong.
As for confidence, it actually takes quite a bit of confidence to go to that first prostitute... but in any case, its not just the insecure that go to them. Many people who know they can have sex from "normal" people, still go to prostitutes. Wheres your explanation for confident & self-reliant people going to prostitutes?Yeah, you said you used many in the age group of 18-23, quite interesting, annd now I understand you a lot more. Thats something I never heard of.
You haven't heard all that much before then... Frankly i suspect you've had a rather sheltered life. As for understanding me, i doubt that very much.I can see it far more clearer now as most people my age (me being 20) would never contemplate going near one, unless a stag week in the dam or prague etc etc which they feel would be far removed from actually going to the effort here in Ireland. To me, visiting 4 prostitutes in those young years is something of a problem if it was to happen to a friend of mine. 4 per year, in a period of ones life where their sexual lives are only beginning is something entirely knew to me.
I lost my virginity at 16. Most boys in my town lost it around 15... i was a late bloomer... And i had sex a number of times before i was 18. And i continued to have sex with women while i was in college. AND I went to prostitutes as well. Mostly in trips to Amsterdam, but also while living in Germany for 6 months..
You're 20... the simple fact is that you're only beginning to understand what the world is really like.Well prostitution isnt a job in my regard.
Give me a definition of a job or employment...Its dirty work, and as ive belted on, in the same eyes as drug dealing and other forms or criminality. It targets certain people. People who feel the need to have sex out of desperation etc. Greed is a pert of human nature, and a very prominent one over the last few centuries. Prostitution is perhaps a forerunner in that sense.
I've addressed this before. You've either ignored what i said, or its completely irrelevant in your mind. I'm not going through it again.You mentioned that some prositutes already had day jobs, although I could be wrong. If so - well then thats wrong. Alas, I will stop with the greed as its perfectly acceptable in modern Ireland.
No, I said that some were studying for college, and using the prostitution to fund their studies... Have you a job to pay your fees, books, living expenses, etc?
As for having two jobs, whats the problem? Many non-prostitutes do that. I did that in college to pay my way..If this current downturn in the economy got worse, would it be nice to see more and more out whoring themselves in an effort to meet their bills etc?
I don't mind. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. You forget, i find nothing wrong with prostitution. You do.Not far off thirty times, can I ask why did you feel the need to go all these times? Morale booster? etc.. And id rather if you didnt say 'its my business', im just interested as I dont understand anyone using hookers unless there the likes of single men in their 50's who lack the necessary social outlets to meet women etc.
Morale Booster? Jeez. Hardly. I've been getting women from bars, clubs and at bus stops for years... why would i need a morale booster? Nah.. Honestly in the early years, it was because it was the only way I could have sex with Asian women... There weren't many around back then... and I love asian girls.
As for "its my business", where have i said that? :rolleyes:Hang on. I never said you were. All im saying is that if there existed a human who needed sex on a regular basis, (im told there are now clinics in England for it), isnt the prostitute feeding their addiction? Thats once again akin to a dealer.
No, you said that anyone who regularly went to prostitutes would become reliant on them, and continue to have to go to them...
This is what you said.
"You say its non-addictive etc. But in reality, those who avail of prostitutes regularly obviously develop an over relience. We've all being introduced to the rather new phenomenon thrown about lately (one I tend to pass off) of a sex addict . "Meh - dont see any barriers when doing so with a normal girl.
What if you have been hurt by a girl?
What if your girlfriend has been unfaithful, and now single you want uncomplicated sex? or..
What if you have a stutter, and it interferes with your ability to meet normal girls...
What if you're wheelchair bound, and most normal girls dont respond to your advances..
What if you have a particular fetish like bondage or roleplay that normal girls just aren't interested in, and its the only way you can "get off"?
Do i really need to add more examples?Cheating life - lovely.
You're 20... when did you become an expert on life? I'm still learning about life, and I'm almost 12 years older than you. Jesus...Lets not go to college, lets just deal drugs, easy money quickly. After all, isnt it society which tells us its illegal. The drug dealer might want to give his customers mind expanding drugs:p
NO. I said about visiting prostitutes for sex:
"Most people go to prostitutes for simplicity sake. To get something without having to jump through the hoops that society tells us we have to do."
You really should start responding to my actual statements rather than going off in another direction...I would just imagine looking into her eyes, that'd be enough for me. I would like to be more than 200 euro to somebody.
You don't get it, and you never will. Stop trying to pretend that you do, because every time you post this garbage, you show how little you know... Once more!!!! this is about sex!!! Nothing more!!!You think of it as a simply exercise. I dont, thats where we differ.
One page back. Quite easy to find it. THIS is what I said (including the spelling mistake):
"Foe me, there are two sides to sex.
1) There is SEX which is the pure act of having sex, just for the sake of it. Which you have on a one night stand, or with a prostitute. It means nothing, and you're unlikely to ever have sex with that person ever again.
2) There is making LOVE. Which is the sex that two people who care for each other have. There is a level of intimacy and trust, and this is something that few partners other than those in a relationship or marriage can attain."
We differ because i read what you say, and you don't read what i have posted. Reason i know that? because you keep saying that you understand me, and then post some incorrect crap about how i feel about sex, which I've already done....and about me, had it once, didnt like the girl, felt a bit bound by society to do it, ****ed off and walked home in the pissing rain the minute she fell asleep.
Once. <pause> Once? And now you are Gods' Authority on sex and making love? For Gods sake, you had bad sex with one girl. You preach about making love to women, but you haven't even done that??????? Jesus Christ!
You talk about insecure men going to prostitutes, or them being weak, and you yourself couldn't even hold out long enough to have sex with someone you liked? Get a grip! Stop judging everyone else, and look to your own life first. Learn something about sex & love before you pass judgment on it.Half thought i was gay or something after it, then I realised I differed so much from others towards the whole thing.
Get over it. The first time for most men & women is rubbish. Sex is not like it is in the movies. Its something you have to practice to get good at it.
Dude. You have written a lot about other peoples sex lives. You have passed judgments on prostitutes and their customers. You might say that this is your opinion, but its based on nothing. You have had one bad experience with sex. You have zero experience with prostitutes. You don't know any people who go to prostitutes. Do I really need to go on?
I was tempted to delete the first part of my post on reaching this last part, but i can't be bothered. Took long enough to write it.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Around we go again. You see prostitutes as lying in wait to hook insecure guys in, but the simple fact is that all men or women that go to prostitutes do so of their own free will, and continue to do so out of choice. You are entitled to your opinion, but.... its just wrong.
Free will, I never said they were forced into it, but at the same time those who go to prostitutes feel compelled to do so, why? I dont understand. Like - I have no desire, yeah id like that special girl to come along etc etc but at the same time, going to a hooker would mean nothing to me, and I fail to see how it means anything to others? The act of sex, its all blown up, percieved to me better than what it really is. Thats my opinion. Some people obviously have to have it for some reason or another, which I fail to understand. As ive something of a non-existant sex drive, im at a loss as to why people go to those efforts for a few hours of 'fun' etc. I suppose I can relate it to a gang of us headin off to the dam to smoke it up for a weekend every year or so, but at the same time, its interaction with people you know etc, as for prostitution is just a process, with no significant outcomes for me. How did those early hookers make you feel? Did it broaden your abilities with women?Deleted User wrote: »As for confidence, it actually takes quite a bit of confidence to go to that first prostitute... but in any case, its not just the insecure that go to them. Many people who know they can have sex from "normal" people, still go to prostitutes. Wheres your explanation for confident & self-reliant people going to prostitutes?
Mine is fairly simple to be honest - why pay for it, surely you would save money for started. Money is the great reason why hookers exist in the first place. So going to them leaves you with a lighter pocket:)Deleted User wrote: »You haven't heard all that much before then... Frankly i suspect you've had a rather sheltered life. As for understanding me, i doubt that very much.
Sheltered, yup, ill agree totally, without sarcasm. Only ever really liked one girl to be honest, I find most girls my age to busy keeping up appearances. Thing is, ive no outlet to finding a likeminded girl here in Ireland, i detest the idea of going out and getting drunk and being all false towards girls, talking ****e etc. Not looking for pity, but ive more or less consigned myself to not having much of a life with girls for a few years, made a few like minded friends which keep me going, **** it until perhaps I get travelling or something,Deleted User wrote: »I lost my virginity at 16. Most boys in my town lost it around 15... i was a late bloomer... And i had sex a number of times before i was 18. And i continued to have sex with women while i was in college. AND I went to prostitutes as well. Mostly in trips to Amsterdam, but also while living in Germany for 6 months..
The only lads in my one horse town at it at that age ended up dropping our either before or after the junior cert.Deleted User wrote: »You're 20... the simple fact is that you're only beginning to understand what the world is really like.
Greed, over-ambition, thats how im seeing it at the minute. Even had a good friend who used to **** us over sellin us the odd bit of smoke. More to live than cash. Pity others dont realise that.Deleted User wrote: »Give me a definition of a job or employment...
What I see as an honest days work. Prostitution / drug dealing doesnt fall into that bracket for meDeleted User wrote: »I've addressed this before. You've either ignored what i said, or its completely irrelevant in your mind. I'm not going through it again.
Yeah - people go there out of their own free will. I see it as being compelled, personal pick-me-up etc.Deleted User wrote: »No, I said that some were studying for college, and using the prostitution to fund their studies... Have you a job to pay your fees, books, living expenses, etc?
As for having two jobs, whats the problem? Many non-prostitutes do that. I did that in college to pay my way..Deleted User wrote: »
Selling charly for funding college, sure those buyers are doing so out of their own free will, nobody is forcing it up their nose. Simply a person noticing a market and satisfying it. No different to prostitution in my opinion- service for a price etc, although im sure just because there's a far deeper criminal aspect to it it is all of a sudden something different than satisfying some punter's need. Its all about prividing a service to a willing customer as you have said.
Yeah, I'd a job, worked in Dunnes, Londis etc. Knew of lads buying the odd O and making whatever on it? Any different to you? To me, I was the better person.Deleted User wrote: »I don't mind. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. You forget, i find nothing wrong with prostitution. You do.
True.Deleted User wrote: »Morale Booster? Jeez. Hardly. I've been getting women from bars, clubs and at bus stops for years... why would i need a morale booster? Nah.. Honestly in the early years, it was because it was the only way I could have sex with Asian women... There weren't many around back then... and I love asian girls.
As for "its my business", where have i said that? :rolleyes:
Well, if that was me regarding asian women, id have simply went without, id have held the view that life didnt hold such opportunities, so forget it. once again, prostitution doesnt count as anything to me.
You didnt say that, I just felt uneasy about enquiring about your personal life, as it really is none of my business.Deleted User wrote: »No, you said that anyone who regularly went to prostitutes would become reliant on them, and continue to have to go to them...
Didnt say anybody, said many. In other words, many would get to like it, head here and there the odd time. It would be about as sensical as getting stoned on your ownDeleted User wrote: »This is what you said.
"You say its non-addictive etc. But in reality, those who avail of prostitutes regularly obviously develop an over relience. We've all being introduced to the rather new phenomenon thrown about lately (one I tend to pass off) of a sex addict . "
What if you have been hurt by a girl?
What if your girlfriend has been unfaithful, and now single you want uncomplicated sex? or..
What if you have a stutter, and it interferes with your ability to meet normal girls...
What if you're wheelchair bound, and most normal girls dont respond to your advances..
What if you have a particular fetish like bondage or roleplay that normal girls just aren't interested in, and its the only way you can "get off"?
Do i really need to add more examples?
In other need, the user feels a need to get off with someone. The need to have sex. I cant understand really, perhaps its just the fact I dont have this massive sex drive, complete with the usual 'do her', 'arse on that one' etc etc. I laugh at it all, its just young lads like myself bowing to the pressures of society, thinking they HAVE to have sex, you know? I couldnt give a **** if i dont in the next 2/3 years, but others are desperate to go ridin, why I wonder. From my experiences through friends, they just want to be seen as a lad well able to pull etc, good with the auld birds etc. Akin to a girl wanting all the attention in your average college haunt of a niteclub. Yup, im only 20 as you have acknowledged, perhaps when I grow a little older ill just think of my penis and head off to the dam for 10 minutes. Hopefully ill lose all my hang ups regarding the issue of sex and perhaps even go out on the town to go jockying. That would make me really really happy:rolleyes:Deleted User wrote: »You're 20... when did you become an expert on life? I'm still learning about life, and I'm almost 12 years older than you. Jesus...
Nobody's an expert, i just voice the view that's floating around in my head. where do you feel I try to give an experts view on the issue? I just see it as the reality where people are desperate to get off, going to lengths to pay big money for it. Why do they feel the need? Glorification! Comes in tow with the materialism of modern society.Deleted User wrote: »NO. I said about visiting prostitutes for sex:
"Most people go to prostitutes for simplicity sake. To get something without having to jump through the hoops that society tells us we have to do."
You really should start responding to my actual statements rather than going off in another direction...
Cheating life in my opinion. And I feel my reply was relevant in the sense that its taking the easy way.Deleted User wrote: »You don't get it, and you never will. Stop trying to pretend that you do, because every time you post this garbage, you show how little you know... Once more!!!! this is about sex!!! Nothing more!!!
Sex, sex, sex, aw man i got2 av sex lik. Itz da bst ting eva. Witut it ud b fukd.
I dont buy into the whole idea. why have it? to suit who? Does it make oneself feel better? Blow off steam? nothing a long walk in the park wont do for the mind?Deleted User wrote: »One page back. Quite easy to find it. THIS is what I said (including the spelling mistake):
"Foe me, there are two sides to sex.
1) There is SEX which is the pure act of having sex, just for the sake of it. Which you have on a one night stand, or with a prostitute. It means nothing, and you're unlikely to ever have sex with that person ever again.
2) There is making LOVE. Which is the sex that two people who care for each other have. There is a level of intimacy and trust, and this is something that few partners other than those in a relationship or marriage can attain."
We differ because i read what you say, and you don't read what i have posted. Reason i know that? because you keep saying that you understand me, and then post some incorrect crap about how i feel about sex, which I've already done....
I do understand, you seem to be just another Irish fella in your attitude towards sex. The typical young Irish man, when they see a girl remark to mates on whether or not she is worth ****ing and all that load of bollox. You see sex as a simple exercise, with what particular outcomes I dont know, you havent voiced your experiences on what sex does for your mentality, which Id like to know.
Unless I had genuine feelings for a girl, it's mean nothing to me. I dont care about friends having had sex with 10 or 20 girls, id rather the 1 girl 20 times than 20 girls once to be honest. Not many lads have agreed with my feelings in regard, but the two who did, I have a lot in common with them, share same ideas of socialising etc.
Basically ,what I get form you is that back in the day you were the typical young Irish lad, in it for the ridin - 'have a few jars, hopefully get sex at the end of the night'. Making an assumption here, but im welcoming a correction!
I dont feel the need to go out riding random girls, whats it all for? Boasting? Id rather it happen as a culmination, that would satisfy me mentally.Deleted User wrote: »Once. <pause> Once? And now you are Gods' Authority on sex and making love? For Gods sake, you had bad sex with one girl. You preach about making love to women, but you haven't even done that??????? Jesus Christ!
Once yeah, 20 and only once, im a loser, all my friends have done way more than me, shouldnt I feel so inadequate? Like, i havnt had sex with all these women, therefore im not as good at playing the game of life with those who have 'badgered' a dozen odd.Deleted User wrote: »You talk about insecure men going to prostitutes, or them being weak, and you yourself couldn't even hold out long enough to have sex with someone you liked? Get a grip! Stop judging everyone else, and look to your own life first. Learn something about sex & love before you pass judgment on it.
It all bore out of the fact that I liked a girl for a while who was fairly like minded, thought a lot of her, and in the process I seemed to develop an attraction to girls of her like. holding the view that many girls my age (2nd year college) arent the most individual - act in packs and the like, leaves me attracted to the quiet, shy type, like myself. One who wouldnt feel the need to play the crowdpleser / false etc. Therefore, I usually tend to laugh at the typical young Irish girl as I find them all the same, cant really relate to them, I find talking to 1 the same as talking to 10. So, the whole thing has left me alienated from your typical young Irish lady and regularly asking the lads why would you ride that girl with the fake tan etc etc etc and I usually get no answer. I sometimes feel many lads dont know why they want to ride all these girls, whats the reason for it?Deleted User wrote: »Get over it. The first time for most men & women is rubbish. Sex is not like it is in the movies. Its something you have to practice to get good at it.
So I can get a rep that im great in the sack? To pleasure who? some drunken yoke i picked up in a niteclub? That would mean nothing to me, todo so with a girl I cant relate to. Perhaps when the gossipy little girls grow out of their shells and become themselves, it might be different. Call me a snob, but I just go for a perticular type of woman. A narrow taste like.Deleted User wrote: »Dude. You have written a lot about other peoples sex lives. You have passed judgments on prostitutes and their customers. You might say that this is your opinion, but its based on nothing. You have had one bad experience with sex. You have zero experience with prostitutes. You don't know any people who go to prostitutes. Do I really need to go on?
And? Whats the whole sex life about? Its drilled into our lives as something so important and prominent. Its societies pressure in my opinion, people are confronted with its importance and glorification. Although then again, perhaps I've a non-existant sex drive, and most men have it on their minds a lot more, like money etc. Must have money, must have sex? Why? I cant answer that myself. Does every lad deep down hold the desire to be the alpha male? Tell me something I dont know, and as a person of 30+, you should be well able to answer it.Deleted User wrote: »I was tempted to delete the first part of my post on reaching this last part, but i can't be bothered. Took long enough to write it.
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