Prostitution

Running Bing

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, Street Walkers are only part of the whole prostitution industry, and nowadays not a particularly large part compared with escorts found through websites or at the back of magazines.

But I'm curious about something. Since the Childcare system has obviously failed to place these women in a situation where they can lead "normal" lives, how would they support themselves (other than prostitution), and what standard of life would they likely have?

Thats a whole different debate. This is about prostitution and not the inadequacies of the NI childcare system.

Again you make the distinction between street walkers and escorts but I would wager a very high % of "escorts" have had troubling pasts.

Babybing

Babybing wrote: »

Thats a whole different debate. This is about prostitution and not the inadequacies of the NI childcare system.

Actually, I'm asking what alternatives there are for those in this instance for employment, and the manner of lifestyles they can have. Its not about the NI childcare system.

Too often people turn their noses at prostitution as form of work, when they're unwilling to consider if the person might be unable to get better work at all...

Again you make the distinction between street walkers and escorts but I would wager a very high % of "escorts" have had troubling pasts.

The distinction is in the manner in which they present their services, and quite often the charges involved. The distinction should be highlighted since too many people lump them all together.

As for your wager, I wouldn't be suprised at all. Most people in this industry probably have.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm wondering if you have thought about this at all... Who is suffering as a result of prostitutes offering their services?

The customers and society in general. Those who use their services. Fine, most wont get addicted, some will develop an 'over-relience' shall I say. Lose interest in going out with the goal of having sex with a normal woman. also, who would welcome news that prostitutes are operating in their area with plenty of clients to boot. I know its only losers and people who might be slightly handicapped etc that will go to a hooker, but I see sex as something of a process, start from the bottom, a bit of chasing etc, anyone can just pick up a phone and call an escort agency, or whatever process is carried out to avail of one. Cheating life as ive always maintained.

Deleted User wrote: »

I guess joining the army and killing people is far more acceptable.

About as.

Deleted User wrote: »

How does prostitution lower the health of society? If anything they're helping society, because they're removing some of the sexual tensions that cause violent crime to occur.

Sexual tensions? Why are these about in the first place?

Deleted User wrote: »

Then why make such a statement? If you don't know why, then how do you have such insight into their desires?

They just cant think for themselves. they have it inbuilt in their heads that they need to get sex every so often. Despite being young, I know plenty of lads mad to go ridin, but when I ask them why, they cant really answer as to why they are that way. I doubt its any animalistic tendencies either. Moreso the 'macho' element. Those who head to hookers seem like a teenager going 'gotta get sex tonight'. perhaps visiting a prostitute momentarily improves their deflated ego. Why not have a bit of cocaine too?

Deleted User wrote: »

Read back three pages. There are plenty of reasons given. If you really wondered why, you wouldn't have posted to this thread without reading at least a few pages....

Still beats me, other than being genuinely unfit to socialise, I have no way of understanding why one would avail of a hooker. Why have sex with a stranger, of whom is nothing but a vagina and you a source of income. Not very exicting now is it?

Tori Prickly Landlady

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

The customers and society in general. Those who use their services. Fine, most wont get addicted, some will develop an 'over-relience' shall I say.

So far in this thread a number of posters have made the point of addiction or over-reliance on prostitutes, and yet nobody has proved that assertion.

Lose interest in going out with the goal of having sex with a normal woman.

Why? People get very limited returns from going to prostitutes. They get the physical act of sex, without any emotional involvement. While its nice once in a while, its a very limiting feeling. I can't imagine too many people only going to prostitutes, and giving up the chance to lose their emotional lonliness.

also, who would welcome news that prostitutes are operating in their area with plenty of clients to boot.

Why would it bother them? As long as its not happening in front of their eyes, and in front of their children, where is the harm?

I know its only losers and people who might be slightly handicapped etc that will go to a hooker, but I see sex as something of a process, start from the bottom, a bit of chasing etc, anyone can just pick up a phone and call an escort agency, or whatever process is carried out to avail of one. Cheating life as ive always maintained.

You know? Nah, thats your opinion, rather than something based on fact. A rather narrow opinion actually since you're unwilling to perceive normal healthy people going to prostitutes for sexual gratification.

Sexual tensions? Why are these about in the first place?

Because not everyone finds the right girl to have a relationship with immediately. For many, they don't find a regular girlfriend easily, and the process of going out to pick up girls can be a strenous ordeal for some.

[quoteThey just cant think for themselves.[/quote]

If anything they are thinking for themselves, since they're looking outside of cultural norms to solve a problem in their lives.

they have it inbuilt in their heads that they need to get sex every so often. Despite being young, I know plenty of lads mad to go ridin, but when I ask them why, they cant really answer as to why they are that way. I doubt its any animalistic tendencies either. Moreso the 'macho' element. Those who head to hookers seem like a teenager going 'gotta get sex tonight'. perhaps visiting a prostitute momentarily improves their deflated ego.

No different then than the thousands of men that go out each weekend to get drunk, and score. In most cases, when it comes to young men, its not even about having a few drinks. They don't see a night being successful until they've gotten drunk. And then the desire to score sets in as alcohol increases the horniness levels.

Why not have a bit of cocaine too?

Which is plain stupid. You're comparing sex to drugs?

Still beats me, other than being genuinely unfit to socialise, I have no way of understanding why one would avail of a hooker. Why have sex with a stranger, of whom is nothing but a vagina and you a source of income. Not very exicting now is it?

You have no idea... And you have no wish to learn either...

Loxosceles

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, I can say from my own experience that every prostitute i have gone to has supplied their own condoms for the service.

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Ew, dawg, that is like nasty-ho aids skanky. There goes any value of your debate for me. No man who understands the nature of male prowess would ever admit paying for it. Paying for something that a man should acquire on his own merit for free, simply indicates a complete lack of charisma or attractiveness on your part. So you just sat there and said right out loud, by admitting that you pay for sex, that you are ugly as sin, have no charisma to make up for the ugly, and don't have any social skills. Good job! LOL. God that is nasty. Ew. Skank. Debate over.

lox.

aare

Loxosceles wrote: »

Ew, dawg, that is like nasty-ho aids skanky. There goes any value of your debate for me. No man who understands the nature of male prowess would ever admit paying for it. Paying for something that a man should acquire on his own merit for free, simply indicates a complete lack of charisma or attractiveness on your part. So you just sat there and said right out loud, by admitting that you pay for sex, that you are ugly as sin, have no charisma to make up for the ugly, and don't have any social skills. Good job! LOL. God that is nasty. Ew. Skank. Debate over.

lox.

...on the other hand it might, rather, indicate a disinclination to use real people as objects for sexual release without offering fair return...

Which would ALWAYS warrant giving a guy a closer second look in my experience (unless you are mad into being objectified and used - in which case, your kink is not my kink, but your kink is ok with me, etc, and so forth).

As a matter of fact, even when condoms were not legal here, prostitutes used to get the bus to Belfast every couple of weeks for supplies...and, to this day, women in prostitution come up in hard statistics as being far more aids aware and far more likely to use a condom than any of these nameless other women you think Klaz should be out making use of for free.

It's like wearing a hard hat on a building site, after a while you don't even think about it, you just use it...

WHERE ON EARTH did this daft idea of "addiction to prostitutes" come from?

Trust me, if you start getting the DTs when they take your hookers away you are absolutely unique.

Sleepy

Loxosceles wrote: »

But then, considering how I've been treated by them sexually while living here, when I tried to apply my enlightened sexuality- and got treated like a disposable hooker, and you can understand why I'm utterly vicious.

I'd spotted some of your posts on other threads as well as this one and it was only when I read this that I started to understand your xenophobia regarding the Irish people. I must admit, I'd be fascinated to meet some of these people who you feel have treated you so poorly to see is it them that are such horrible human beings or is it just you that has the problems...

Loxosceles wrote: »

Ew, dawg, that is like nasty-ho aids skanky. There goes any value of your debate for me. No man who understands the nature of male prowess would ever admit paying for it. Paying for something that a man should acquire on his own merit for free, simply indicates a complete lack of charisma or attracteiveness on your part. So you just sat there and said right out loud, by admitting that you pay for sex, that you are ugly as sin, have no charisma to make up for the ugly, and don't have any social skills. Good job! LOL. God that is nasty. Ew. Skank. Debate over.

So, because someone is (potentially) lacking in charisma, attractiveness, good lucks or social skills means they're incapable of intelectual debate? Interesting viewpoint... I've met quite a few people with a serious lack of social skills (some due to their not being blessed with good looks or charisma) but blessed with incredible intelligence and capacity for reasoned argument. TBH, with the attitude you've put across in this post, I'm wondering should your posts just be dismissed as the rantings of a bitter person who's apparently screwed every Irishman or a statistically large enough number of them for them to be able to justify their painting of us all as a bunch of cheating johns who have no capacit for real relationships...

g5fd6ow0hseima

Deleted User wrote: »

So far in this thread a number of posters have made the point of addiction or over-reliance on prostitutes, and yet nobody has proved that assertion.

20 prostitutes between the age of 18-23. Hmm....

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? People get very limited returns from going to prostitutes. They get the physical act of sex, without any emotional involvement.

Exactly, to me it really defeated the prupose of using one. What do they accomplish? Do they feel better about themselves in that they simply hired a prostitute to merely '****'?

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would it bother them? As long as its not happening in front of their eyes, and in front of their children, where is the harm?

Societal decay in my opinion.Nobody wants crime in their area. Would you like to see hookers knockin about your area? (saying this now if you, personally, were in a relationship and not under any temptations)

Deleted User wrote: »

You know? Nah, thats your opinion, rather than something based on fact. A rather narrow opinion actually since you're unwilling to perceive normal healthy people going to prostitutes for sexual gratification.

To me sexual gratification is achieved with another person with the same ambitions, not some person using sex as a source of income. You dont see it this way, but I see the act of hooking up with someone on a night out and having sex as gratification. Anyone, even me, could get a prostitute. If someone can achieve sexual gratification by going to a prostitute, well then, they need a reality check, its almost as if they're not doing it for themselves, as if they feel the need to keep up etc.

Deleted User wrote: »

Because not everyone finds the right girl to have a relationship with immediately. For many, they don't find a regular girlfriend easily, and the process of going out to pick up girls can be a strenous ordeal for some.

Yup, thats me to a fair point, like minded girls here in this country, and of my age, are rare in my opinion. im not into the whole 'get beer into ya, head to the niteclub' routine so im at a loss. but why would I visit a prostitute? Thats throwing the towel in on life. If im that bad for a shag, ill have a ****, same thing to me really.

Deleted User wrote: »

If anything they are thinking for themselves, since they're looking outside of cultural norms to solve a problem in their lives.

cultural norms, ah well, we've touched on this before. once again, I see no difference in me going out and selling drugs to alleviate my personal financial situation.

Deleted User wrote: »

No different then than the thousands of men that go out each weekend to get drunk, and score. In most cases, when it comes to young men, its not even about having a few drinks. They don't see a night being successful until they've gotten drunk. And then the desire to score sets in as alcohol increases the horniness levels.

I was like that when I first tarted getting into pubs, when I was 16. I dont regret it, as I knew no better, and am glad of the memories. to me life's all about different phases, stuff to look back on etc. But yeah, its a sickener how many of my friends still like getting '****ed drunk', and I doubt they'll grow out of it soon either. It's just typical narrow minded Irishness for ya. We cannot express ourselves comfortably unless under the influence of one drug or another.

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is plain stupid. You're comparing sex to drugs?

Im not no, its was a bit of a joke. I always viewed the stereotypical prostitute user as having cocaine as their drug of choice. Seeing that it is the stuff of egotistical, failing businessmen, and escapists.

Deleted User wrote: »

You have no idea... And you have no wish to learn either...

I do have a wish, but it beats me, I maintain I cannot fathom it. Perhaps you, as a person of experience, could enlighten me a little.

Loxosceles

Loxosceles wrote: »

Ew, dawg, that is like nasty-ho aids skanky.

You seem to have a problem with dealing with reality. considering the requirements of the majority of prostitutes to have their customers wear condoms and have a shower prior to the service, they're more likely to be STD free...

There goes any value of your debate for me.

Judging by your posts, you never had any value anyway for anyone's opinions that doesn't follow your own.

No man who understands the nature of male prowess would ever admit paying for it. Paying for something that a man should acquire on his own merit for free, simply indicates a complete lack of charisma or attractiveness on your part.

Why? its been said plenty of times in this thread, that perfectly normal people, well capable of meeting girls in nightclubs or other places, have gone to prostitutes. Your reasoning is flawed.

So you just sat there and said right out loud, by admitting that you pay for sex, that you are ugly as sin, have no charisma to make up for the ugly, and don't have any social skills. Good job! LOL. God that is nasty. Ew. Skank. Debate over.

lox.

So if i admit that I have had sex with women after meeting them in a nightclub it all balances out? Well i have. I've also picked up girls at bus stops, bookstores, cafes, at college, etc. I've had sex with plenty of women over the last two decades plus..

Where do you draw your experience from?

As for debate over, a debate would require two sides being discussed. You're hardly doing that.

Tori Prickly Landlady

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

20 prostitutes between the age of 18-23. Hmm....

Yes? You don't make any comment on the numbers of women i had sex with who weren't prostitutes during the same timeframe...

Exactly, to me it really defeated the prupose of using one. What do they accomplish? Do they feel better about themselves in that they simply hired a prostitute to merely '****'?

Merely to ****? Aye. Thats it. Merely to have sex. Dunno why you're having such problems understanding that. Oh. I get it. You probably haven't had much sex in your life, and you attach a romantic aspect to the whole thing. Well, you can have sex for just the act in itself... just for the sensual pleasure... just as you can also have sex with someone you care for or love.

Societal decay in my opinion.Nobody wants crime in their area. Would you like to see hookers knockin about your area? (saying this now if you, personally, were in a relationship and not under any temptations)

I'm not under any temptations when i'm in a relationship regardless of whether there are prostitutes around or not. Whats the point of being in a relationship if you're not completely secure in your feelings for your gf?

As for crime, again, people wont really care as long as its not happening in front of their eyes. If its behind closed doors, they won't really care all that much.

To me sexual gratification is achieved with another person with the same ambitions, not some person using sex as a source of income.

Same ambitions? well thats there since the customer and the prostitute want the same thing.. a good service where the customer is happy and will return..

You dont see it this way, but I see the act of hooking up with someone on a night out and having sex as gratification. Anyone, even me, could get a prostitute. If someone can achieve sexual gratification by going to a prostitute, well then, they need a reality check, its almost as if they're not doing it for themselves, as if they feel the need to keep up etc.

keep up? haha... hardly. If i want to have sex, why should i deny myself the sensation? Why do i have to limit myself to the traditional methods of meeting a partner for sex? Surely, it makes sense to have all options available?

[And I'm not talking about love or making love. I'm talking about the act of sex]

Yup, thats me to a fair point, like minded girls here in this country, and of my age, are rare in my opinion. im not into the whole 'get beer into ya, head to the niteclub' routine so im at a loss. but why would I visit a prostitute? Thats throwing the towel in on life.

Your choice. But why put down other peoples choice to visit a prostitute when they haven't met someone worthwhile? Why does everyone have to live their lives by your rules?

If im that bad for a shag, ill have a ****, same thing to me really.

Your knowledge of sex is rather limited isn't it? A **** doesn't even compare to having decent sex...

cultural norms, ah well, we've touched on this before. once again, I see no difference in me going out and selling drugs to alleviate my personal financial situation.

Which i still think is retarded in the extreme.

I was like that when I first tarted getting into pubs, when I was 16. I dont regret it, as I knew no better, and am glad of the memories. to me life's all about different phases, stuff to look back on etc. But yeah, its a sickener how many of my friends still like getting '****ed drunk', and I doubt they'll grow out of it soon either. It's just typical narrow minded Irishness for ya. We cannot express ourselves comfortably unless under the influence of one drug or another.

I disagree. There are plenty of individuals out there that don't need that part of Irish culture. They choose not to be that way, and Irish people are capable of choosing to live their lives in another manner. They just don't. Its their choice. Its not about expressing themselves. Its about oblivion.

Im not no, its was a bit of a joke. I always viewed the stereotypical prostitute user as having cocaine as their drug of choice. Seeing that it is the stuff of egotistical, failing businessmen, and escapists.

prostitutes would be more likely to have cannabis as their drug of choice as the sensations it induces would make it easier to relax, and they would have no after effects to deal with. I don't think you really understand the affects of the various drugs.. do you?

I do have a wish, but it beats me, I maintain I cannot fathom it. Perhaps you, as a person of experience, could enlighten me a little.

Read over the last ten pages of this thread, and don't roll your eyes when you see replies that you don't agree with. This thread is a goldmine of information on this subject.. if you're willing to be reasonable.

aare

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

20 prostitutes between the age of 18-23. Hmm....

20 sexual acts, in ANY five years (let alone those five) doesn't even establish that he is "a horney little toad" (though of course, he may be) let alone "addicted to prostitutes".

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Exactly, to me it really defeated the prupose of using one. What do they accomplish? Do they feel better about themselves in that they simply hired a prostitute to merely '****'?

Well if they don't they SHOULD feel better that they preferred paying for a hooker's honest work to using anybody vulnerable enough to get talked into a one night stand with all the ego oiling that also provides (NB. Statistics show that when approached honestly and asked for an act of casual sex, most women preferred to commit an act of violence...if you don't believe me, try it!).

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Societal decay in my opinion.Nobody wants crime in their area. Would you like to see hookers knockin about your area? (saying this now if you, personally, were in a relationship and not under any temptations)

ABSOLUTELY I would...particularly in an inner city. The safest place for ANY woman at night is a red light district...because hookers are just people like anyone else, most of them carry mobile phones, none of them would stand by and watch while someone else was attacked or harmed. Many of them are also just as likely to report other suspicious activities, such as break ins, as any other person, as a result, zoning for red light districts is effectively, free security for any home or business in the area.

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

To me sexual gratification is achieved with another person with the same ambitions, not some person using sex as a source of income. You dont see it this way, but I see the act of hooking up with someone on a night out and having sex as gratification.

And you find women who consent to this when you ask openly? Or do you pride yourself on your prowess in being able to manipulate and mislead them into consent by implying something more?

If the latter, don't worry, a lot of immature men do that too...but most of them have more sense that try and present it as some form of "moral high ground".

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Anyone, even me, could get a prostitute. If someone can achieve sexual gratification by going to a prostitute, well then, they need a reality check, its almost as if they're not doing it for themselves, as if they feel the need to keep up etc.

I think it is rather more likely that they just want sexual release without doing any harm, instead of the ego gratification of feeling that they have "scored" a "pull" (who is likely to be a real human being, who will likely be very humiliated when they do not show the further interest they implied, but hey, who gives a feck, who's feelings you hurt as long as you have proved you are a "lady killer")

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Yup, thats me to a fair point, like minded girls here in this country, and of my age, are rare in my opinion. im not into the whole 'get beer into ya, head to the niteclub' routine so im at a loss. but why would I visit a prostitute? Thats throwing the towel in on life. If im that bad for a shag, ill have a ****, same thing to me really.

Why do I find that really obvious? Well, I have a little news for you, most women think of thenselves as something more exceptional than a substitute for your right hand. :rolleyes:

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

cultural norms, ah well, we've touched on this before. once again, I see no difference in me going out and selling drugs to alleviate my personal financial situation.

I am noticing a pattern here, over and over again you equate women (prostitutes or not) with inert objects and substances...have you not realised that women are people, who can and do think, feel, and live for themselves?

Leif...

Have you ever MET a prostitute?

I mean, as an human being, over a coffee?

turgon

How can hiring 20 prostitutes in 5 years, ie once a month, be described as anything remotely close to addiction? Addictions more like once a week etc.

I'm with klaz on this one. I personally wouldnt hire a prostitute, but the fact that klaz has in the past doesn't make any difference to me. Fundamentally its none of my buisness what two consenting adults get up to.

Of course consenting is a loaded term, and by this I mean a women who is free to decide whether or not she wants me to be a prostitute.

I understand the concerns of those against prostitution. But as far as they relate to legitimate prostitute and not sex slave it fails to become any of your buisness. Thats why legalization should be considered, just because 50%+1 of the population would get a prostitute doesnt mean it should be illegal.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes? You don't make any comment on the numbers of women i had sex with who weren't prostitutes during the same timeframe...

So then, you simply couldnt get enough eh?

Deleted User wrote: »

Merely to ****? Aye. Thats it. Merely to have sex. Dunno why you're having such problems understanding that. Oh. I get it. You probably haven't had much sex in your life, and you attach a romantic aspect to the whole thing. Well, you can have sex for just the act in itself... just for the sensual pleasure... just as you can also have sex with someone you care for or love.

Perhaps I have a low sex drive. I know I differ from much of my friends in that regard, but as ive maintained, its a gradual process etc. ****ing some stranger who is in it for the money, well, I cant see how id benefit in any way possilbe, nor how any others could. Sensual pleasure? Meh, id find more enjoyment in playing sport or fishing to be honest, really, laugh if you want. Sexual gratification? Well what would happen you if you didnt achieve it? Jump off a bridge?

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not under any temptations when i'm in a relationship regardless of whether there are prostitutes around or not. Whats the point of being in a relationship if you're not completely secure in your feelings for your gf?

+1

Deleted User wrote: »

As for crime, again, people wont really care as long as its not happening in front of their eyes. If its behind closed doors, they won't really care all that much.

Its Ireland, people still love sticking their noses into things that dont concern them in their neighbourhoods. In smaller areas, everyone knows everyones business.

Deleted User wrote: »

Same ambitions? well thats there since the customer and the prostitute want the same thing.. a good service where the customer is happy and will return..

Financial gain / sensous pleasure etc. Not exactly the same in my books.

Deleted User wrote: »

keep up? haha... hardly. If i want to have sex, why should i deny myself the sensation? Why do i have to limit myself to the traditional methods of meeting a partner for sex? Surely, it makes sense to have all options available?

Takes the fun out of life. Its like using the internet to find a date.

Deleted User wrote: »

Your choice. But why put down other peoples choice to visit a prostitute when they haven't met someone worthwhile? Why does everyone have to live their lives by your rules?

They're not MY RULES. Im just saying that prostitution is the last refuge of desperation. Only, and only, after all avenues have been exhausted, should one visit one.

Deleted User wrote: »

Your knowledge of sex is rather limited isn't it? A **** doesn't even compare to having decent sex...

I said id rather that over a hooker. At least I couldnt have to look at some strange 'lady' after it.

Deleted User wrote: »

Which i still think is retarded in the extreme. [.quote]

Providing a personal service which satisfies customers and makes me a profit? Much the same to me really.

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree. There are plenty of individuals out there that don't need that part of Irish culture.

As there are otherwise.

Deleted User wrote: »

They choose not to be that way, and Irish people are capable of choosing to live their lives in another manner. They just don't. Its their choice. Its not about expressing themselves. Its about oblivion.

I find a sheer lack of expression / openness with Irish people. I find that its typical to bottle feelings up, be two-faced to keep face rather than be honest and expressive. Societal pressures do a fair amount in inhibiting people from choosing to live their lives in another manner as you say. Sadly, many are worried about 'what people might think of me' etc... Thats another story though, and remember, thats not everyone either.

Deleted User wrote: »

prostitutes would be more likely to have cannabis as their drug of choice as the sensations it induces would make it easier to relax, and they would have no after effects to deal with. I don't think you really understand the affects of the various drugs.. do you?

Oh I do understrand them all right. If you read back, I was refering to the client - 'prostitute user' - when mentioning cocaine. You know, the drug for the escapist, the person who isnt happy with themselves etc. As for hookers, well, those who you speak of, probably weed alright, but those worse off hookers, might be the harder stuff.

Deleted User wrote: »

Read over the last ten pages of this thread, and don't roll your eyes when you see replies that you don't agree with. This thread is a goldmine of information on this subject.. if you're willing to be reasonable.

Yup, ill agree there. But at the end of the day, we will always disagree. I see selling yourself as putting yourself over society, same as dealers. I see using prostitutes as sucking the fun out of life, also throwing in the towel. Most men seek simple 'emotionless sexual gratification', I see no point in doing so. Id like to think a sexual partner would mean something to me, or at least be fairly like-minded. To you, its just a hole, a few euros thrown away (or put to good cause) to simply get your little kick, the necessary little pick-me-up.

g5fd6ow0hseima

aare wrote: »

20 sexual acts, in ANY five years (let alone those five) doesn't even establish that he is "a horney little toad" (though of course, he may be) let alone "addicted to prostitutes".

Well if thats not a relience, id like to know what is.

aare wrote: »

Well if they don't they SHOULD feel better that they preferred paying for a hooker's honest work to using anybody vulnerable enough to get talked into a one night stand with all the ego oiling that also provides (NB. Statistics show that when approached honestly and asked for an act of casual sex, most women preferred to commit an act of violence...if you don't believe me, try it!).

Ive often worndered what the true feeling is though? Anyone ever thought that its society slapping you as opposed to the individual?

aare wrote: »

ABSOLUTELY I would...particularly in an inner city. The safest place for ANY woman at night is a red light district...because hookers are just people like anyone else, most of them carry mobile phones, none of them would stand by and watch while someone else was attacked or harmed. Many of them are also just as likely to report other suspicious activities, such as break ins, as any other person, as a result, zoning for red light districts is effectively, free security for any home or business in the area.

Aye, been for a long walk through the RLD in the dam, I know its a very effective set up alright, but wasnt my kettle of fish, didnt walk back the same route. A sickener seein all these auld fat fellas headin into the booths of young attractive women. I feel life shouldnt work that way.

aare wrote: »

And you find women who consent to this when you ask openly? Or do you pride yourself on your prowess in being able to manipulate and mislead them into consent by implying something more?

I dont find myself attracted to most women, or girls should I say, as im only 20. They're all too giggly for me to be honest. Im too much of an individual to be on for 'pulling' and all that bollox. if one comes my way, good and well, if not, well **** it.

aare wrote: »

If the latter, don't worry, a lot of immature men do that too...but most of them have more sense that try and present it as some form of "moral high ground".

Not so much moral, but I see a woman as more than a tool of gratification. Id rather the human aspect of it, as opposed to the animalistic.

aare wrote: »

I think it is rather more likely that they just want sexual release without doing any harm, instead of the ego gratification of feeling that they have "scored" a "pull" (who is likely to be a real human being, who will likely be very humiliated when they do not show the further interest they implied, but hey, who gives a feck, who's feelings you hurt as long as you have proved you are a "lady killer")

I see it as fairly apathetic alright.

aare wrote: »

Why do I find that really obvious? Well, I have a little news for you, most women think of thenselves as something more exceptional than a substitute for your right hand. :rolleyes:

Im on about that vs. a hooker. not a 'normal' woman.

aare wrote: »

I am noticing a pattern here, over and over again you equate women (prostitutes or not) with inert objects and substances...have you not realised that women are people, who can and do think, feel, and live for themselves?

Im equating prostitution to other crimes such as drug dealing. Where have I equated actual women to substances? when entering prostitution, clearly its themselves they're thinking of. They're thinking of money. Capitalising on the 'needy'. Its fairly scummy in my opinion.

Leif...

aare wrote: »

Have you ever MET a prostitute?

I mean, as an human being, over a coffee?

Why would I? I have no reason to. Can you suggest as to why I should?

aare

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Well if thats not a relience, id like to know what is.

20 sexual acts? Between ages 18 and 23?

Conclusive evidence of, at least, the existance of a rudimentary sex drive...no more, no less.

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

aare wrote:

(NB. Statistics show that when approached honestly and asked for an act of casual sex, most women preferred to commit an act of violence...if you don't believe me, try it!).

Ive often worndered what the true feeling is though? Anyone ever thought that its society slapping you as opposed to the individual?

Who mentioned slapping? I was thinking of something MUCH more appropriate...and if the lady in question was *me* (or any of my friends) it would DEFINATELY be an action by the individual and bog all to do with society...

I certainly DO NOT want to be used for the casual sexual release of strangers, and nor does any other woman I know...why should they?

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

aare wrote:

The safest place for ANY woman at night is a red light district...because hookers are just people like anyone else, most of them carry mobile phones, none of them would stand by and watch while someone else was attacked or harmed. Many of them are also just as likely to report other suspicious activities, such as break ins, as any other person, as a result, zoning for red light districts is effectively, free security for any home or business in the area.

Aye, been for a long walk through the RLD in the dam, I know its a very effective set up alright, but wasnt my kettle of fish, didnt walk back the same route. A sickener seein all these auld fat fellas headin into the booths of young attractive women. I feel life shouldnt work that way.

I have always felt that other people should live and legislate in terms that are slightly more realistic and significant to them than my personal preferences.

...I cannot stand football, and feel absolutely CERTAIN "life should not work that way"...perhaps we should criminalise that?

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

I dont find myself attracted to most women, or girls should I say, as im only 20. They're all too giggly for me to be honest. Im too much of an individual to be on for 'pulling' and all that bollox. if one comes my way, good and well, if not, well **** it.

How curious...at least the last four "pubic scalphunters" who took a shot at mine used just EXACTLY that line...and even at the time, I couldn't help thinking that there was a strong possibility, when it came to "other women and girls" the aversion was mutual.

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Not so much moral, but I see a woman as more than a tool of gratification. Id rather the human aspect of it, as opposed to the animalistic.

...and kidding yourself that women SHOULD want to be unpaid tools for your casual sexual release as needed is "the human aspect? :eek:

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

aare wrote:

Well, I have a little news for you, most women think of thenselves as something more exceptional than a substitute for your right hand.

Im on about that vs. a hooker. not a 'normal' woman.

Last time I checked, most hookers were "normal women" in their spare time, which may be why they won't let you put *that thing* NEAR them unless you are paying a fair, freely agreed, price in advance.

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Im equating prostitution to other crimes such as drug dealing. Where have I equated actual women to substances? when entering prostitution, clearly its themselves they're thinking of. They're thinking of money. Capitalising on the 'needy'. Its fairly scummy in my opinion.

Of course they are "thinking of themselves" (though actually, more often, of their children too), WHAT ON EARTH would you expect them to be thinking of? Your penis?

...and if, like Kaz, you invested in, at least 20 sexual acts, with hookers, between the ages of 18 and 23 your sexual neediness might not make you feel quite so vulnerable.

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

aare wrote:

Have you ever MET a prostitute?

I mean, as an human being, over a coffee?

Why would I? I have no reason to. Can you suggest as to why I should?

I can give you two excellent reasons:

• You might leave the encounter with some faint idea of what you are talking about.
• It might be the best chance you will ever have to see any real woman at close quarters.

Regardless, it can be arranged...

Tori Prickly Landlady

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

So then, you simply couldnt get enough eh?

Enough? hmm... well, lets see. During those five years I went to Amsterdam over 7 times... where on average I would have one prostitute. When i smoke cannabis I tend to get horny, and know that I'm not going to be capable of chatting up a girl enough in a nightclub to get her to sleep with me.

Perhaps I have a low sex drive. I know I differ from much of my friends in that regard, but as ive maintained, its a gradual process etc. ****ing some stranger who is in it for the money, well, I cant see how id benefit in any way possilbe, nor how any others could. Sensual pleasure? Meh, id find more enjoyment in playing sport or fishing to be honest, really, laugh if you want.

Actually I am laughing. You get sensual pleasure from playing sports or fishing..? You do realise the way that sounds?

Sexual gratification? Well what would happen you if you didnt achieve it? Jump off a bridge?

Well, since I'm alive and posting to this thread, obviously not. :rolleyes:

Its Ireland, people still love sticking their noses into things that dont concern them in their neighbourhoods. In smaller areas, everyone knows everyones business.

So what? Again, as long as its not in peoples faces, they're not going to care... I'm from a small town, so I'm well aware of that.

Financial gain / sensous pleasure etc. Not exactly the same in my books.

Forget about that, and look at the service. They both want repeat performances, and will seek to give/gain a service that pleases both.

Takes the fun out of life. Its like using the internet to find a date.

haha... you have a problem with that? omg...

They're not MY RULES. Im just saying that prostitution is the last refuge of desperation. Only, and only, after all avenues have been exhausted, should one visit one.

Sure, they are your rules... The structure of your sentences define them as such. They're not rules but...

I said id rather that over a hooker. At least I couldnt have to look at some strange 'lady' after it.

No, no, no. You said you'd prefer a **** over sex... That is why I don't think you realise the difference between them.

Oh I do understrand them all right. If you read back, I was refering to the client - 'prostitute user' - when mentioning cocaine. You know, the drug for the escapist, the person who isnt happy with themselves etc. As for hookers, well, those who you speak of, probably weed alright, but those worse off hookers, might be the harder stuff.

Well, no. You said that prostitutes would have cocaine as their drug or choice... And for using other drugs, sure... its a personal decision which to play with.

Yup, ill agree there. But at the end of the day, we will always disagree.

Again... /sigh. I agree but... :rolleyes:

I see selling yourself as putting yourself over society, same as dealers. I see using prostitutes as sucking the fun out of life, also throwing in the towel. Most men seek simple 'emotionless sexual gratification', I see no point in doing so. Id like to think a sexual partner would mean something to me, or at least be fairly like-minded.

I've answered each and every one of these points.

To you, its just a hole, a few euros thrown away (or put to good cause) to simply get your little kick, the necessary little pick-me-up.

Nope. I see them as people who provide a service. I'm courteous, & polite. Same as I am to those I get a massage off.

As for getting a little pick-me-up, sure. No harm done.

g5fd6ow0hseima

aare wrote: »

• real woman

Regardless, it can be arranged...

It takes real women to sell themselves?:eek:

In what sense am I vulnerable? Why would I invest in something I would loath? You should understand that not every lad is willing to go to these lengths for sex. Some have an almost non existant sex drive.

aare

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

It takes real women to sell themselves?:eek:

Not particularly, a lot of real TVs and real men sell themselves too, but it should be easy enough to find a hooker who is a real woman to meet with you...kill two birds with the one stone, so to speak?

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

In what sense am I vulnerable?

You tell me, after all you are the one who called prostitution:

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote:

Capitalising on the 'needy'.

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Why would I invest in something I would loath?

No reason, but on the other hand, why should everybody else go without something just because you loathe it?

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

You should understand that not every lad is willing to go to these lengths for sex. Some have an almost non existant sex drive.

Fine, and if that is the case for you there is absolutely no reason for you to use the services of a prostitute, or even lose your virginity at all.

But I really do not see any reason why issues such as morality, or legislation should be dictated by your abnormally low sex drive.

g5fd6ow0hseima

aare wrote: »

Not particularly, a lot of real TVs and real men sell themselves too, but it should be easy enough to find a hooker who is a real woman to meet with you...kill two birds with the one stone, so to speak?



You tell me, after all you are the one who called prostitution:





No reason, but on the other hand, why should everybody else go without something just because you loathe it?



Fine, and if that is the case for you there is absolutely no reason for you to use the services of a prostitute, or even lose your virginity at all.

But I really do not see any reason why issues such as morality, or legislation should be dictated by your abnormally low sex drive.

Peer pressure,

aare

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Peer pressure,

Are you trying to suggest that when you, single handedly, try to tell other lads that it is morally wrong for them to want sex because you haven't had it yet, that amounts to "peer pressure"?

If so, why?

g5fd6ow0hseima

Oh, your that kind of person - 'just because you havent had any sex', etc. That now makes you a better human than me, doesnt it.

What im saying is that most the bull**** surrounding sex results from peer pressure. If my mates were averaging a girl or two a month, I should be compelled to act, and do likewise. Should I not? Will I fell ill if I dont have sex? Will I continue to fall down the stakes of humanity, while someone like you rises gloriously upwards based on your sexual prowess. You remind me of a rather distastful looking girl who used the internet to have sex when she said 'you wouldnt have a clue about sex, sure ya dont get any'. So I guess by not going off 'ridin', I cannot comment on the pathetic aspect of someone going as far as paying quite a nice sum of money for a 'bitta sex' etc. I shall renounce the moral aspect and rephrase it as 'helpless' or something along that line. Its just hammered home to us, that in order to be cool and respected, we ought be be off riding. It reminds me of the need to get drunk when I was 15/16 - only then, I wasnt the most independent thinker.

aare

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Oh, your that kind of person - 'just because you havent had any sex', etc. That now makes you a better human than me, doesnt it.

What im saying is that most the bull**** surrounding sex results from peer pressure. If my mates were averaging a girl or two a month, I should be compelled to act, and do likewise. Should I not? Will I fell ill if I dont have sex? Will I continue to fall down the stakes of humanity, while someone like you rises gloriously upwards based on your sexual prowess. You remind me of a rather distastful looking girl who used the internet to have sex when she said 'you wouldnt have a clue about sex, sure ya dont get any'. So I guess by not going off 'ridin', I cannot comment on the pathetic aspect of someone going as far as paying quite a nice sum of money for a 'bitta sex' etc. I shall renounce the moral aspect and rephrase it as 'helpless' or something along that line. Its just hammered home to us, that in order to be cool and respected, we ought be be off riding. It reminds me of the need to get drunk when I was 15/16 - only then, I wasnt the most independent thinker.

(I am not sure how I was supposed to derive all of the above from the statement "peer pressure,"? Telepathy? )

Even so, your personal issues with sex, however extensive and considerable they may very well be, in subjective terms, are completely irrelevant to the objective issue of prostitution as it involves the rest of the world.

g5fd6ow0hseima

So they're not desperate chaps then?
If people could stand back and think for a while 'do I really need this', things might change. When temptation is there, brainless idiots will always avail of them. Although you disagree that prostitutes are capitalising on the needy, desperate fellas in question.

aare

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

So they're not desperate chaps then?
If people could stand back and think for a while 'do I really need this', things might change. When temptation is there, brainless idiots will always avail of them. Although you disagree that prostitutes are capitalising on the needy, desperate fellas in question.

Do you know what?

I think you really need to wait until after you have had sex, and know how you really feel about it, before you even try to pass judgement on how other people feel about it.

g5fd6ow0hseima

I have had, once. Regretted it, basically bowed to peer pressure. Recently, I decided to head back to a girls gaff, but after talking to her a bit, was pure sickened, ended up just patiently waiting until the busses ran again. All in all ive slept with three strangers, one of which I really kicked off with, chatted to for the night (as opposed to having brainless sex).
So what difference would it have made if I banged all three of them?

Would I have a better insight on life? I dont think it makes a blind bit of difference. I cant see myself having sex until I find a girl whom I really kick off with, one I could talk to for hours etc. Riding a stranger on a different wavelength isnt appealing to me, as im not your typical brainless 'must get sex' idiot. So there, thats how I feel about it, I feel there should be a fair amount of emotion attached to it. After all, it would serve to heighten it no doubt.

How others feel about it? Its obvious they dont!

aare

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

I have had, once. Regretted it, basically bowed to peer pressure. Recently, I decided to head back to a girls gaff, but after talking to her a bit, was pure sickened, ended up just patiently waiting until the busses ran again. All in all ive slept with three strangers, one of which I really kicked off with, chatted to for the night (as opposed to having brainless sex).
So what difference would it have made if I banged all three of them?

Would I have a better insight on life? I dont think it makes a blind bit of difference. I cant see myself having sex until I find a girl whom I really kick off with, one I could talk to for hours etc. Riding a stranger on a different wavelength isnt appealing to me, as im not your typical brainless 'must get sex' idiot. So there, thats how I feel about it, I feel there should be a fair amount of emotion attached to it. After all, it would serve to heighten it no doubt.

How others feel about it? Its obvious they dont!

Leif,

It is becoming really obvious that you have some serious sexual issues you need to work out and I honestly hope that you succeed in doing that, but, until you do, I think you need to try and focus on the difference between your own issues and objective moral abstracts.

Tori Prickly Landlady

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

I have had, once. Regretted it, basically bowed to peer pressure. Recently, I decided to head back to a girls gaff, but after talking to her a bit, was pure sickened, ended up just patiently waiting until the busses ran again. All in all ive slept with three strangers, one of which I really kicked off with, chatted to for the night (as opposed to having brainless sex).
So what difference would it have made if I banged all three of them?

Would I have a better insight on life? I dont think it makes a blind bit of difference. I cant see myself having sex until I find a girl whom I really kick off with, one I could talk to for hours etc. Riding a stranger on a different wavelength isnt appealing to me, as im not your typical brainless 'must get sex' idiot. So there, thats how I feel about it, I feel there should be a fair amount of emotion attached to it. After all, it would serve to heighten it no doubt.

How others feel about it? Its obvious they dont!

The point is rather simple. You're passing judgment on something you have absolutely no knowledge of. i.e. Sex. Nevermind about Prostitution. This discussion and your opinions revolve around sex. If we were talking about murder, or something obviously ****ed up, then I might have more sympathy for your position, but we're not. We're talking about something which is part of our essence. To have sex.

You have had sex one time, and you didn't have a good time. You don't know the difference between good sex, and bad sex. You don't know the difference between making love and the act of sex in itself. And yet, you put yourself forward as an authority on the subject, throwing out phrases like "brainless sex".

I have no problem with your desire to have sex with someone who means something special to you. I have no problem with your desire to wait until that happens. I do have a problem with your forceful opinions though. You talk about taking the fun out of life, but you're the one who is actually doing so. By dismissing something which you have no personal experience of.

The reason I find it annoying to have people posting about sex when they have little or no experience about it.. is that sex is a wonderful experience. The levels of sensation, pleasure and intimacy go beyond just about any other interaction with another person. And its something that improves over time, as you learn your own body and that of your partner(s). But you're not going to know anything by watching movies, or reading a book. Only the action will give you experience.

Its also annoying to hear you talk so confidently about meeting girls, and getting normal girls to have sex with you, when you've only been with one. You don't exactly have much experience about what it is to be single, actively meeting girls, and getting the more intimate part of those interactions. But you talk it up beyond belief...

You had one bad experience, and its cast a pall over the rest of your life, and your perception of how things should be. TBH, I'm concerned that when you do have sex again (after waiting sooo patiently), it'll be bad again, because you've placed so much pressure on both yourself and your partner to perform. You really need to relax and get out there.

As for prostitution, that's a personal choice. You'll understand what that means once you know more about what sex & making love actually means.

g5fd6ow0hseima

aare wrote: »

Leif,

It is becoming really obvious that you have some serious sexual issues you need to work out and I honestly hope that you succeed in doing that, but, until you do, I think you need to try and focus on the difference between your own issues and objective moral abstracts.

Its just strange that im labelled vulnerable due to my stance against prostitutes, if favourable, I wouldnt be seen as vulnerable? yet a person who has gone to 20+ is seen as perfectly normal.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Deleted User wrote: »

The point is rather simple. You're passing judgment on something you have absolutely no knowledge of. i.e. Sex. Nevermind about Prostitution. This discussion and your opinions revolve around sex. If we were talking about murder, or something obviously ****ed up, then I might have more sympathy for your position, but we're not. We're talking about something which is part of our essence. To have sex.

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't know the difference between making love and the act of sex in itself. And yet, you put yourself forward as an authority on the subject, throwing out phrases like "brainless sex".

Here, I think a 12 year old knows the difference. I dont think I need to go riding a few hookers along with a few normal women to understand the difference now do I?

Deleted User wrote: »

I have no problem with your desire to have sex with someone who means something special to you. I have no problem with your desire to wait until that happens. I do have a problem with your forceful opinions though. You talk about taking the fun out of life, but you're the one who is actually doing so. By dismissing something which you have no personal experience of.

Its a prior opinion. I will always be that way, its something I will always see as a mechanism of relief for the desperate and idiotic.

Deleted User wrote: »

The reason I find it annoying to have people posting about sex when they have little or no experience about it.. is that sex is a wonderful experience. The levels of sensation, pleasure and intimacy go beyond just about any other interaction with another person. And its something that improves over time, as you learn your own body and that of your partner(s).

I assume your speaking of a sexual partner. I understand, you've enlightened me and given me hope in life. But what you've just said has showed visiting a prostitute to be an experience void of this, as its just so formal.

Deleted User wrote: »

Its also annoying to hear you talk so confidently about meeting girls, and getting normal girls to have sex with you, when you've only been with one. You don't exactly have much experience about what it is to be single, actively meeting girls, and getting the more intimate part of those interactions. But you talk it up beyond belief...

I dont find myself attracted to many girls. I dont share the same ideas of 'socialising', therefore, its quite rare i'd find a girl im attracted to. Most girls my age wear ugg boots. Time they grow up a little.

Deleted User wrote: »

You had one bad experience, and its cast a pall over the rest of your life, and your perception of how things should be. TBH, I'm concerned that when you do have sex again (after waiting sooo patiently), it'll be bad again, because you've placed so much pressure on both yourself and your partner to perform. You really need to relax and get out there.

I went back to a girls house the other week, didnt know her or anything, but chatted awayto her when I arrived back. As I talked on, I got more discussed with myself, I though, got ive nothing in common with her, what am I doing here? Thats not me - one night stands. Why is it that you feel I 'need' go to off and **** some randomers, 'ah shur jaysus im irish like' ? Im one to like to get to know a girl first.

Deleted User wrote: »

As for prostitution, that's a personal choice. You'll understand what that means once you know more about what sex & making love actually means.

Relief of tension at a price? Hmm, just so appealing isnt it.

Tori Prickly Landlady

Tori Prickly Landlady wrote: »

Its just strange that im labelled vulnerable due to my stance against prostitutes, if favourable, I wouldnt be seen as vulnerable? yet a person who has gone to 20+ is seen as perfectly normal.

As for me being perfectly "normal", I don't believe I am. (Not that I know what "normal" is at that age) Nor do I believe that anyone has suggested it. What they have suggested is that 20 prostitutes over 5 years isn't particularly excessive and doesn't show an over-reliance. 4 a year shows that I am prostitute mad? hardly.

From my stance, I would agree that you're vulnerable because you had one bad experience, and you're shaping everything from that one experience. Everything is skewed.. Get a few more experiences, and then form your opinions.