Unseen footage of the riots.

Manic Moran

SebtheBum wrote:

Concur.
I spoken to those who know or are related to some of those soldiers (altho admittedly no soldiers themselves as yet, worse luck) and all who spoke to them said that they got the impression that the troops were disappointed and annoyed that they were never called upon

Sounds about right. Us military types tend to be the sort who err on the side of order and look down on those of the more rebellious ilk. Must be something to do with recruit training. We were all fired up to go knock some respect for public order into the heads of some chaps back during the anti-war riots in 2003, when SFPD had run out of coppers, and CHP were starting to run out as well. Rather disappointed we didn't get a bash, really. Ditto when the Tookie Williams riots failed to show up, but that didn't surprise us. (Then again, we'd also be issued with rifles, live ammo and bayonets, so things tend to get quiet quickly. It's even written in instructions that warning shots are not to be fired, if a round is fired, it had better be aimed at someone: They don't muck around in the US when the Army gets called in)

Here's a thought.. Ask the loyalists to reschedule their parade/march/whatever. Bait the rioters into congregating again. Except this time, have a lot of uniforms hiding around the corner with really big sticks. Once the first rock/snooker ball/whatever is thrown, game on.

NTM

jimmycrackcorm

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

I remember a riot in Letterkenny years ago - either paddys day or during the festival. Looking up the main street at bottles an the like flying through the air. A quick baton charge by the guards sorted it out.

Of course after the May day Garda fiasco, it's all softly softly now.

Would that have been when a group of sligo it people went up in six buses to letterkenny and were sent back to sligo after 3hours for their own protection?

Santa Claus

IrishEmperor wrote:

Maybe the Govt/Garda/Army will invest in some new crowd-control tech after the next riot (and there will be a next one: cause scum just multiply and multiply..)

pour example:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/21/less-lethal-riot-control-ray-gun-to-be-deployed-in-iraq-next/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frey_effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weaponry

Personally I'd prefer to see this being used on those little scumbags from Saturday :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note

PullMyFinger!

Santa Claus wrote:

Personally I'd prefer to see this being used on those little scumbags from Saturday :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note

I would agree

The brown note, according to an urban legend, is an infrasonic frequency that causes humans to lose control of their bowels due to resonance. Effective frequencies are reportedly between 5 and 9 Hz, below the audible range for humans (humans cannot hear below around 20 Hz).

Hagar

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054896630

is_that_so

Substantial number of arrests expected. The photos from the TCD thread were on the RTE news. They interviewed the guy in the shop on Westland Row who was attacked.

PullMyFinger!

is_that_so wrote:

The photos from the TCD thread were on the RTE news.

Are those pics now hosted elsewhere?

scojones

is_that_so wrote:

Substantial number of arrests expected. The photos from the TCD thread were on the RTE news. They interviewed the guy in the shop on Westland Row who was attacked.

Aye saw that.

evad_lhorg

havnt had a chance to post yet but anyway here goes.

i work in GAME on Dawson st and was in work on saturday. weirdly just before it all kicked off i went on my lunch went around to burger king where i heard o connell st had gone off majorly so i went to have a look and couldnt see shít cause there was just a whole load of scum coming up to trinity so i decided to walk back. they were runnin around pushing anyone out of their way smashing windows in shops(as you know), one lad decided it was the right time to remove his pants and boxers and run at people. i got around the corner of trinity at the bottom of grafton st and have never seen anyhting like the fire and smoke the lay ahead on naseau st. i stood in awe at the scum that call themselves Irish. i had to go back to my shop as i was sscared for my own safety tbh as they were just throwing any **** they could get their hands on at anyone and hitting random people.I wanted to stay out to see what happened but really thought id get a beating or somethin. we watched from behind closed shutters as the riot police arrived but all too late. they lined up pushing people down naseau st and holding people off on dawson st. rows of horse back cops and ,i couldnt see them but I heard them, guards with dogs. At least a hundred riot police ran passed our shop looking like they were going to trouble and that was the last i saw of it. it moved off elsewhere.

I expected bad things but nothing couldve prepared me for what i saw then.
seemed like being out in Iraq or somethin not dublin city.

ullu

evad_lhorg wrote:

one lad decided it was the right time to remove his pants and boxers and run at people

That's classic, I'd love to see what he'd say in court if he got caught.

Judge : What have you to say for yourself?

Gentleman : I was looking for evaluation from members of the general public of my recently accquired hash leaf genital tattoo

Funky Munky

ullu wrote:

That's classic, I'd love to see what he'd say in court if he got caught.

Judge : What have you to say for yourself?

Gentleman : I was looking for evaluation from members of the general public of my recently accquired hash leaf genital tattoo

Or his "I Love Christy" tattoo

Funky Munky

Sparky-s wrote:

i see a few faces shown here http://images.sparky-s.com/sp_index.php?file=./Dublin%20Riots/DSCN0732.JPG was also shown on the Hearld at that almera.

Have any of the pics been used for arrests or prosecution yet?

Sparky

Funky Munky wrote:

Have any of the pics been used for arrests or prosecution yet?

Well those exact pictures were featured on the 6 one news on rte one i think on tuesday and they interviewed the victims, so i would say the garda have that picture on their files and have made arrests.

[Jackass]

wow, what a marathon thread!! Very interesting to read peoples comments and some excellent documentation of the day. (first time i've seen the real scale of it as I was away at the time.)

How come nearly half the links on this thread have had the content removed?

Anyway, my 2 cents on the matter. Who's to blame for this? Dublin city coucil and the guards for sanctioning the march and Michael McDowel for not having the foresight to envisage what would inevatably happen and if not cancel the event, then at least have the guards prepared.

I don't think this march should ever have been allowed in the first place...now i'm no republican (as it seems to be a bad word these days) and im certainly no IRA or Sinn Fein supporter, but we all know that Orange marchers in the north are to "celebrate" past war victories by protestants over the catholic king in the battle of boyne. (and for all the pc brigrade who love to jump on the "get over 1916, 800 years, its all forgoten about, get over it" all this bollox, battle of boyne was over 300 years ago, and they celebrate it every year across the commonwealth)

Now orange orders insist every year to march through catholic areas during the marching season, the only reason i can muster up for this is so they can rub it in the face of catholics, in what is a petty and pathetic state of affairs in the north.

Notably over the years, marchers have faught with riot police in the north to get into catholic areas...a clear insightment of violence, with only one intention.

But to get to march through the national street of the capital and the republic and to pass the historic war sites of the gpo and dublin quays sporting their union jacks and war victory dates which are litterd across many of the orange brigades banners, was the biggest "fuck you" of all to catholics and the Irish!!

I just feel sorry for the genuine famalies of the victims of the troubles in the north who were genuinely there to march in memory of there loved ones, as they were used as a front to get to have this march.

I find it so typical of the irish public to criticise ourselves when we talk about or want to commemerate our past troubles or victories, probably incase we offend someone, or just because this country is full of cynical f*ckers....yet when the "old enemy" (with want for a better word) wants to march through our streets we're up in arms at the fact that it was prevented.

Look, what happend on that day was a disgrace, and most of the rioting wasn't even about people protesting against the march, it was scumbags looking for a row, some vandalisim, throw sh*t at guards and then loot. Simple as that. I am angerd about all that happening, but as far as the march is concernd, they can f*ck off back north and stay there for all I care, but i'm delighted they never got a chance to march and I hope they never will get a chance again, maybe when we get rid of this inept government, then we will have the cop on to give the blindingly obvious answer to a request of an orange march in dublin...

LEINSTER, MUNSTER AND CONNACHT SAY NO!

If i'm going to get all political about the whole thing, obviously it's the prodestants who sabvotage every attempt at co-existance and peace in the north by being stubborn and unco-opretave. And why wouldn't they? As long as there is no progress in the northern political landscape then things stay exactly the same...exactly as they want it.

And as always, sinn fein and the IRA are being blamed by the orange men for the riot, and by bertie for his own political agenda, and the goons (public) go along with it.

Classic orange politics: Anything that happens, try and turn it around on sinn fein, and if all else fails, bring up the IRA and there past actions, and accuse them of current actions (which in fairness they probably are more an organised crime syndicate now than a terrosist group)

Well done Bertie, McDowell, Dublin City Council ... You've just given Paisley another handfull of ammo to sabvotage the talks in the north for another 10 years.

Thank you.

Alkers

haha, here here.

jimmycrackcorm

DubGuy wrote:

I don't think this march should ever have been allowed in the first place...now i'm no republican (as it seems to be a bad word these days) and im certainly no IRA or Sinn Fein supporter, but we all know that Orange marchers in the north are to "celebrate" past war victories by protestants over the catholic king in the battle of boyne. (and for all the pc brigrade who love to jump on the "get over 1916, 800 years, its all forgoten about, get over it" all this bollox, battle of boyne was over 300 years ago, and they celebrate it every year across the commonwealth)

Now orange orders insist every year to march through catholic areas during the marching season, the only reason i can muster up for this is so they can rub it in the face of catholics, in what is a petty and pathetic state of affairs in the north.

But it wasn't an Orange Order parade. Your analysis of this shows only a very shallow understanding of the issues involved! Do you really believe that it is only about these guys just wanting to get a dig in about an 800 year old battle?

The Orange Order marches every year in Donegal with no problems and I fully support that; I saw a documentary on that talking to some of the southern irish orange order participants who retain their british links but still consider themselves Irish and follow GAA for example.

We can only aspire to be a decent country once we can allow marches like this one to take place.

Terry

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

But it wasn't an Orange Order parade. Your analysis of this shows only a very shallow understanding of the issues involved! Do you really believe that it is only about these guys just wanting to get a dig in about an 800 year old battle?

The Orange Order marches every year in Donegal with no problems and I fully support that; I saw a documentary on that talking to some of the southern irish orange order participants who retain their british links but still consider themselves Irish and follow GAA for example.

We can only aspire to be a decent country once we can allow marches like this one to take place.

if it wasn't an orange order parade, then what the fuck were the orange order doing there? and don't say they weren't. we've all seen the pictures of the marching bands, the orange order flags and heard the bands outside the dail.
dubguy hit the nail on the head.
some of the people in this country really piss me off. bunch of ****ing begrudgers. boo hoo hoo. some people want to celebrate their Irishness, but these pricks don't want them to in case it upsets the brits or the unionists. the rest of my sentiments are far too obscene to post here.

ullu

julep wrote:

some of the people in this country really piss me off. bunch of ****ing begrudgers. boo hoo hoo. some people want to celebrate their Irishness, but these pricks don't want them to in case it upsets the brits or the unionists.

Could you give some examples please?

Terry

just take a look at the 'proud to be Irish thread?'. i think it's on page 2 of AH.
there are also a lot of people bitching and moaning about celebrating the 90th anniversary of the 1916 rising in some other threads. i'm too lazy and tired to go looking for links.

Funky Munky

Sparky-s wrote:

Well those exact pictures were featured on the 6 one news on rte one i think on tuesday and they interviewed the victims, so i would say the garda have that picture on their files and have made arrests.

I see alot of the tabloids have been running "do you know who this is?" type campaigns amongst their coverage. Im presuming they cropped some of them from the footage.