Unseen footage of the riots.

arbeitsscheuer

Hobbes wrote:

Actually you (Gardai) or prehaps the army do have a water Cannon. It was deployed when Bush came to town, not that it was used or anything.

#1 It was used. I was there. June 2004. A march where the Gardai had far greater numbers of Riot police than were there yesterday. Why?

#2 We don't have a riot cannon. As has been mentioned elsewhere on this thread, it was borrowed from the PSNI. An Garda Siochana did not deem it necessary to request it again. Why?

interested

HelterSkelter wrote:

Call me a cynic but...

- why were the weapons (bricks, poles, etc) left in O'Connell Street?
- why were there so few riot cops?
- why were the "protestors" allowed take control of much of the city centre for up to three hours?
- why were they not contained in O'Connell Street?
- why were the army not sent in?
- why was the march allowed happen at all?

With Sinn Fein's popularity growing in the Republic this will cost them votes. People who might have been fooled by the Sinn Fein PR machine will think twice when they see the photos in the papers tomorrow.

Bertie & co must be very happy about that.

All good questions.
Weapons on O'Connell Street ? SIAC Construction have been toying with the idea of finishing construction work on our capitals main street now for something like 3 years. Is it the overtime rates ? The free advertising ? But the street has been like a building site for a ridiculous amount of time.

Lack of Police / Riot police / The March at all ?
I think all of these issues were clearly not addressed at a meeting by Dublin City Corporation who MUST be contacted for permission for a march and who are supposed to assess risks associated with an event with advice from GARDA, Health and Safety experts. Mounted police are the closest we have to a mobile unit of the guards to deal with riots - ironically we hire mobile water canon vehicles from the north ...

The opportunistic idiot brigade that decided to spend their afternoon together looting shops in the city centre together are the same guys doing the same sort of thing each weekend evening near the rocks where they wallow ... daylight, t.v cameras and Dublin City Corporation gave them the platform to get their 15 seconds of infamy on Sky News.

joejoem

Link wont work

Hobbes

SebtheBum wrote:

#1 It was used. I was there. June 2004. A march where the Gardai had far greater numbers of Riot police than were there yesterday. Why?

#2 We don't have a riot cannon. As has been mentioned elsewhere on this thread, it was borrowed from the PSNI. An Garda Siochana did not deem it necessary to request it again. Why?

Cheers for that. Nice to know.

SprostonGreen

Hobbes wrote:

Actually you (Gardai) or prehaps the army do have a water Cannon. It was deployed when Bush came to town, not that it was used or anything.

I think that was borrowed from the PSNI.

Tear gas and batons should've been used on Saturday along with the water canon.

Sleepy

Problem with that is that tear gas would have taken down all the journalists, photographers and rubber-neckers that were on the scene just as much as it would have taken out the riotors.

SprostonGreen

Sleepy wrote:

Problem with that is that tear gas would have taken down all the journalists, photographers and rubber-neckers that were on the scene just as much as it would have taken out the riotors.

True, but I suppose my judgement is a bit clouded by anger at what those scumbags were up to.

We just try and identify the skanger gene and dump them all in the sea.

Cosine

What kind of area would tear gas cover?

Sleepy

Please. The Irish Sea is polluted enough thanks very much.

Funky Munky

dlofnep wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/v/pgIlZgt4XV8

Some girl caught this on her camera phone. She's sending it into RTE. You've seen it here first. We really could of done without that. The government surely should of expected something like this however. I still stand firm this march should of been held up North. No good could come out of it being here.

Is that first link now void?

RE*AC*TOR

Funky Munky wrote:

Is that first link now void?

it appears so now.

Funky Munky

lostexpectation wrote:

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~z/today/

on westmoreand row, seems the dregs of the apolitical neandethrals

That link doesnt seem to be working either?

zoro

Sleepy wrote:

Problem with that is that tear gas would have taken down all the journalists, photographers and rubber-neckers that were on the scene just as much as it would have taken out the riotors.

Acceptable casualties imo.

If I were caught up in the middle of that with no apparant (easy) way to get out I'd have no problem at all with being hit by tear gas if it meant the mob would be quashed.
Sure I'd be annoyed, but it leaves no lasting effects and it's not harmful to me. The gardai that were there did what they could imo - but lack of resources, and an unwillingness to act (lynching by the media + govt. for actually doing their jobs) made it impossible to actually do anything efficiently

Binomate

Feck your water cannons. A garden hose would have done the job. Do you really think scumbags would value republicanism over getting their shiny white trainers that they had just robbed from schu and footlocker getting dirty or wet?

Freelancer

zoro wrote:

Acceptable casualties imo.

If I were caught up in the middle of that with no apparant (easy) way to get out I'd have no problem at all with being hit by tear gas if it meant the mob would be quashed.
Sure I'd be annoyed, but it leaves no lasting effects and it's not harmful to me.

Very senstive, yes it's not got any real long term effects on you. But my guess is you're a lad in his 20s? Think of the effect teargas would have on the very young, the old, the pregnant and infirm. All of which are in and around town on a saturday afternoon. To mention the wind factor. Which way was the wind blowing that day, a freak gust of wind and every uk newspaper is leading with pictures of welsh lads heaving outside pubs in templebar after accidently getting teargassed.

zoro

Freelancer wrote:

Very senstive, yes it's not got any real long term effects on you. But my guess is you're a lad in his 20s? Think of the effect teargas would have on the very young, the old, the pregnant and infirm. All of which are in and around town on a saturday afternoon. To mention the wind factor. Which way was the wind blowing that day, a freak gust of wind and every uk newspaper is leading with pictures of welsh lads heaving outside pubs in templebar after accidently getting teargassed.

Good points - and yes you guessed correctly, I'm 22 (and male) lucky guess
I'm putting your points back to you, but in contrast this time...
Lets imagine a friend of yours who is heavily pregnant, and caught on the center of oconnell street between 2 mobs. One, a mob of "regulars", who are merely running to avoid the carnage, and the other, the mob of scum, who'll do anything to anyone for any reason.
I'd imagine that getting tear gassed would be preferable to being stampeded.
The teargas would make any crowd dissipate quickly - but without the stampede effect (as, obviously, they'd be crippled momentarily)

Very good point on the wind factor though - I hadn't thought of that. Depending on how it was on Saturday the tear gas may well have blown away from the scum and back towards the gardai.

ambro25

They need these, really...



€290 ex-VAT, non-lethal, to be used with rubber or CS ammo only. Available for unrestricted sale in FR, no firearms license required (-there).

Give the knackers something to think about when looking at the wrong end of twin 12-bores...something like the Dublin Tunnel, in double

dbnavan

Freelancer wrote:

Very senstive, yes it's not got any real long term effects on you. But my guess is you're a lad in his 20s? Think of the effect teargas would have on the very young, the old, the pregnant and infirm. All of which are in and around town on a saturday afternoon. To mention the wind factor. Which way was the wind blowing that day, a freak gust of wind and every uk newspaper is leading with pictures of welsh lads heaving outside pubs in templebar after accidently getting teargassed.

WHO SHOULD AVOID RISK OF TEAR GAS & PEPPER SPRAY:

* Those with asthma, respiratory problems or infections, pregnant women, women attempting to get pregnant, anyone ill or with a poor immune system, seizure disorders, eye infections, contact lens wearers, & children.


from http://www.greatdreams.com/protest.htm
title : MEDICAL TEAMS' Advice for Protesters

Funky Munky

Its been said this man is chinese but where is the evidence?

http://www.eoghanmccabe.com/temp/DSCN0732.JPG

zoro

dbnavan wrote:

WHO SHOULD AVOID RISK OF TEAR GAS & PEPPER SPRAY:

* Those with asthma, respiratory problems or infections, pregnant women, women attempting to get pregnant, anyone ill or with a poor immune system, seizure disorders, eye infections, contact lens wearers, & children.


from http://www.greatdreams.com/protest.htm
title : MEDICAL TEAMS' Advice for Protesters

I stand corrected

Santa Claus

I'm not optimistic for the future of the force with people like you coming through :

Spitfire666 wrote:

Pics like these CAN and WILL be used to bring charges against these scumbags if the photos can be brought to the atention of the garda.

Irish courts are still very wary of accepting digital images unless they come from CCTv equipment with some sort of anti-tampering software on it (can't remember the official description) as in this era of photoshopping it would be very easy for someone to frame another person.

Spitfire666 wrote:

the "lack of garda" comment isnt exactly fair, every garda in dublin was there barr one or two for every station to keep them open.

While about 50% of Dublin gardai from the Dublin Metropolitan District were on duty (leave was not cancelled for those who already had it arranged but some extra shifts were brought in), they were too spaced out around the route of the march so that when this trouble started it took at least 20 minutes to get them all down to O'Connell St.
Also a decision was made to not have riot-gear equipped gardai on the streets for appearances sake, so these gardai were kept in vans in various staging areas which again needed to be transported to O'Connell St.

Spitfire666 wrote:

The reason the garda didnt seem eegar to get physicle is because the government wont stand by the force in the aftermath as seen after maydand at the end of the day its risking their livleyhood.

Agreed (apart from spellings). Too often what has been judged at the time to be reasonable force has seen gardai reprimanded for doing their job, so this has led to a reluctance within the ranks to "get stuck in" when required.

Spitfire666 wrote:

I can asure you all that the scum that got arrested got a good "telling off" back at the stations after being arrested,

Every station in Dublin city centre (with the exception of kevin st I think) is equipped with CCTV in the charging area and all cells so the days of this kind of action are long gone. Moronic comments like this simply provoke garda brutality claims !

Spitfire666 wrote:

the reason garda dont all has bullet proof vests is because it will make the country look bad in that the garda have something to fear from the public which everyone knows they do.

What use would bullet proof vest be ? The armed response units do have bullet proof vests, but there is very little need for the rank and file gardai to have these as they rarely come up against firearms !

Spitfire666 wrote:

I would have begged to stand in that frontline with those garda but to my regret i couldnt.

Why would you want to stand in the front line armed with sub standard equipment against a load of scumbags with petrol bombs and rocks ?
I think someones been playing QUAKE on their PC a bit too much...but you won't be long losing that "gung ho" attitude once you've been in the job a few months !

Funky Munky

Funky Munky wrote:

Its been said this man is chinese but where is the evidence?

http://www.eoghanmccabe.com/temp/DSCN0732.JPG

Anyone?

Hobbes

Funky Munky wrote:

Anyone?

Because the person who originally posted the pictures said they watched the whole thing.

zoro

Funky Munky wrote:

Anyone?

404 error. quite possibly why you've had no comments

The War Dept.

there's a lot to be said for compulsory sterilization

joejoem

I dunno, the Kaiser Chiefs predicted it.

joejoem

joejoem wrote:

I dunno, the Kaiser Chiefs predicted it.

Ba - dum - Tssssh!

Im here all week; try the veal!

Freelancer

joejoem wrote:

I dunno, the Kaiser Chiefs predicted it.

Wow what an original and insightful comment.

I say lads look at this two days afterwards he's come along and frightfully witty of him he's referenced that popular song by those young beat musicians the Kaiser Chiefs. To think no one else here or anywhere else even thought to do that! Gosh what a rare and insightful mind you have young man, head and shoulders above the rest of us.

Funky monkey the guy who posted the photo says the guy being whaled on, was staff in that centra, I know it well and it's and entirely staffed by Asians.

Vorsprung

Funky Munky wrote:

Its been said this man is chinese but where is the evidence?

http://www.eoghanmccabe.com/temp/DSCN0732.JPG

He's got a Centra uniform on, the lads working in that Centra are mostly (if not all) Chinese.

skywalker_208

Heres a 13 minute video :

https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/271.shtml

joejoem

Freelancer wrote:

Wow what an original and insightful comment.

I say lads look at this two days afterwards he's come along and frightfully witty of him he's referenced that popular song by those young beat musicians the Kaiser Chiefs. To think no one else here or anywhere else even thought to do that! Gosh what a rare and insightful mind you have young man, head and shoulders above the rest of us.

Wow, thanks! God people are so nice on this website!

zoro

skywalker_208 wrote:

Heres a 13 minute video :

https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/271.shtml

very nice skywalker.
i think there's a brief glimpse of the girl from the start of this thread (the budding journalist photographer)

not sure if she'd like her face blurred or something (it's only a fleeting glimpse of who i presume is her, given the timing and circumstances)

lodgepole

skywalker_208 wrote:

Heres a 13 minute video :

https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/271.shtml

Hopefully more raw footage like that comes out. Lots of clear faces.

Most importantly it really hammers home and the age of the people causing the trouble. The stuff on Nassau St. is almost entirely teenagers. And if you note the group on O' Connell St, there are several older people inciting the others with song and chants while it's the younger folk who actually throw the bricks and cause the trouble.

There must be clearer footage in particular of the petrol bomb.

This argument about the police not wanting to adminster a heavy hand because of the may day riots... The may day riots were a clear case of the Gardai over stepping the mark. If that wasn't true you wouldn't have seen so many remove their identification. This riot couldn't be more different.. That said, I think they did an excellent job in unusual circumstances. They could have done with more riot police, that's clear... But can the force sustain a larger number in a country which generally doesn't require them?

Alkers

skywalker_208 wrote:

Heres a 13 minute video :

https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/271.shtml

Amazing footage, somehow of both the gards and the protestors side of things. The gards seemed to be using a fair bit of force on the people who were only sitting on the street though.

zoro

Simona1986 wrote:

Amazing footage, somehow of both the gards and the protestors side of things. The gards seemed to be using a fair bit of force on the people who were only sitting on the street though.

True - very interesting shots from both sides of the fence.

And on the topic of police + force. There's only so many times you can order someone to move before it's neccessary to physically remove them. And if someone refuses to allow you to do so, it's impossible not use force to do so.

They showed amazing restraint imo

Alkers

That's all well and good, it's the hitting them while they are up and standing or bumping agressively into them while they are moving that I was talking about. Some people were actually there to protest and not to cause a ruckass or whatever.

lostexpectation

were the missing riots cops sent along with the orange/ulster buses to protect molesworth street/dail, ie they were there and not missing?

pork99

Simona1986 wrote:

Amazing footage, somehow of both the gards and the protestors side of things. The gards seemed to be using a fair bit of force on the people who were only sitting on the street though.

I saw the Gardai using only reasonable force in that video.

The main problem I could see from the Garda point of view was that there were not enough officers in riot kit. Apart from that all I saw was brave and dedicated Gardai doing their duty to us under adverse conditions.

When the had the scum pushed back to the Abbey St Junction they should have surrounded them there and prevented them scattering into the Southside but I expect that they did not have the manpower at that point.

Dave!

skywalker_208 wrote:

Heres a 13 minute video :

https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/271.shtml

That's a brilliant video, everyone should watch it to get a real glimpse of who was actually there. Half way through the video you see most of the crowd sing a chorus of Fields of Athenry, with "Sinn Fein"/"IRA" cheers thrown into the middle of it :rolleyes:

Now, you don't often see Gerry Adams, or any other serious or legitimate Republican voters/supporters, chanting this. Where do you see it? In the pub, or on a school bus.

And something tells me that RSF voters don't engage in these chants, either...!

This just hammers home the point that the rioters were not politically educated or inspired.

There was someone on George Hook this evening talking about how it was an RSF riot, it was well orchestrated, they had been planning it for months, they used headsets to co-ordinate their attacks, etc., and I'm absolutely flabbergasted by how out of touch with Ireland's youth that man and so many others are, to dismiss the idea that it was just out of control thugs doing this. Absolutely ridiculous.

He said that he trained as an anti-riot police officer too, and that if it were just a bunch of hooligans, the Gardaí would have been able to suppress the trouble straight away, and that it was clearly a co-ordinated plan, the way they took up garissons around the city.

The man is f*cking paranoid: (a) there were barely any riot Gardaí, as that video just showed me! One thin line of them -- that's it! (b) they required no organisation! There was ONE direction that they could/needed to go, and that was straight up O Connell Street where they're facing the riot police and Loyalists. And when they moved across the bridge, it was the Gardaí's fault that they split up into different pockets around the city, because they didn't control them at all, cos there weren't enough riot police. If ever again, 100's of riot police is the only answer.

IrishEmperor

Maybe the Govt/Garda/Army will invest in some new crowd-control tech after the next riot (and there will be a next one: cause scum just multiply and multiply..)

pour example:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/21/less-lethal-riot-control-ray-gun-to-be-deployed-in-iraq-next/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frey_effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weaponry

riptide

Cosine wrote:

What kind of area would tear gas cover?

IN 2 minutes... half a football field... give or take with updrafts from the buildings:)

riptide

IrishEmperor wrote:

Maybe the Govt/Garda/Army will invest in some new crowd-control tech after the next riot (and there will be a next one: cause scum just multiply and multiply..)

pour example:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/21/less-lethal-riot-control-ray-gun-to-be-deployed-in-iraq-next/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frey_effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weaponry

I'll take 3 from the top please....
Seriously... thats hardcore!

riptide

But this is the way the guards should have been tooled up....

danger mouse

Santa Claus wrote:

Why would you want to stand in the front line armed with sub standard equipment against a load of scumbags with petrol bombs and rocks ?
I think someones been playing QUAKE on their PC a bit too much...but you won't be long losing that "gung ho" attitude once you've been in the job a few months !

Haha yeah was thinking the same myself,Pretty brain dead comment, as im sure that was the last place any of them officers wanted to be. Heard there was a few trainees around, Not your typical intro, to on the job training. Felt sick, when I seen what was happeing at the start of the trouble, more ashamed then anything else I'd seen. Gaurd's just standing there ground, with half a building site thrown at there general direction. Takes alot of professionalism to do that IMO.

Trotter

skywalker_208 wrote:

Heres a 13 minute video :

https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/271.shtml

Well done, this is shocking stuff. I really really hope that its been handed into the Gardaí and RTE, TV3, and Sky News.

Lets put as many of these little scummers on the TV as possible so someone can identify them.

Sparky

i see a few faces shown here http://images.sparky-s.com/sp_index.php?file=./Dublin%20Riots/DSCN0732.JPG was also shown on the Hearld at that almera.

Calibos

All this talk of lining the rioters up and shooting them etc :rolleyes: Its the typical knee jerk reaction when we see or hear of the underclass acting like this.

These kids need to be shown the error of their ways in a kinder manner. We need to be kind and show them the warmth in our hearts. I suggest we charter a 747 from aerLingus and take them on a flight over the north of Ireland and show them how we are all children of mother earth


































...........then open the door at 30000 feet


See knee Jerk reactions just get us unimaginative solutions. Take some more time and one can come up with more creative ways to accomplish the same thing.

LowLife Scum the lot of them .....and you can fold that 4 ways and shove it up your Liberal PC arses.

Chris Rock said it best that no one is 100% Liberal/Left or 100% conservative/rightwing, 100% democrat 100% Republican etc.

I am liberal on many subjects and to the right on many others. In this case I am positively Nazi.

jimmycrackcorm

R0ot wrote:

Im glad i live in donegal :eek:

I remember a riot in Letterkenny years ago - either paddys day or during the festival. Looking up the main street at bottles an the like flying through the air. A quick baton charge by the guards sorted it out.

Of course after the May day Garda fiasco, it's all softly softly now.

Dathai

Heh, I bet any money that at least one scummer said "I was only messin guard".

Fighting Irish

skywalker_208 wrote:

Heres a 13 minute video :

https://video.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/271.shtml

Excelent footage, anymore vids like this throughout the thread? I skipped to the last page