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    #842
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Cordell wrote: »
    What is the condition then?
    Please don't reply with "EU citizen"

    ‘Sufficient Resources’ constraints on non-worker long-term residency - in the form of restricted rights of social assistance provision. The resident may not be booted out of the country for failing to meet this criteria, but their access to welfare assistance is constrained, potentially meaning they might have to leave if they can’t find another means of income. The qualifications are clear as mud, but they exist nonetheless.

    Likewise - for every EU resident, they are subject to a catch-all exemption to residency rights on the grounds of public policy, public security or public health concerns.

    Just because you’ve not personally encountered the conditions of residency, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.


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    #843
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭Cordell


    None of those are restrictions to immigration/residency, so can we finally agree that the EU immigration is not managed? :)


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    #844
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Cordell wrote: »
    None of those are restrictions to immigration/residency, so can we finally agree that the EU immigration is not managed? :)

    They are restrictions. And they are managed.


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    #845
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Cool.
    You failed to name any restriction but let's move on I'd say.


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    #846
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Cordell wrote: »
    Cool.
    You failed to name any restriction but let's move on I'd say.

    Aside from the ones I named above. I guess? 🤷🏻*♂️


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    #847
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    jmayo wrote: »
    WTF are you waffling on about.

    Where are all these nazis these days ?

    BTW what is your definition of nazis ?
    Anyone that doesn't believe in exactly the same stuff as yourself perhaps ?

    And just because someone is right wing conservative does not equate them to being a nazi or a fascist.

    If it did then most of the ones storming the beaches in Normandy were also fooking nazis.

    Likewise being left wing does not mean someone wants to reinvigorate Gulags or killing fields.

    There is too much US college and social media shytology coming across the Atlantic and being spewed out here.



    No one ever answers that.

    Stop talking. That thread the other guy quoted was about literal Nazis. You dont have context of the conversation. We werent talking about conservatives we were talking National socialists and fascists.


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    #848
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    TwoMonthsOff wrote: »
    How much immigration is enough?

    Enough to fill the labour pool. Plus some acceptance of refugees, because it’s decent to accept people who need asylum.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #849
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ghost of ireland past wrote: »
    Ireland belongs to the Irish, and to no-one else.

    This shouldn't have to be explained.

    Even the Dalai Lama agrees.

    He was laughing as he explained to Der Spiegle that Germany belongs to the Germans.

    The Irish are fools to give what's ours away to others.

    I think you and I might have different definitions of what constitutes “the Irish”. I mean every Irish citizen. You?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #850
    ghost of ireland past
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 228 ✭✭ghost of ireland past


    I don't think that merely holding a passport is sufficient.


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    #851
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ghost of ireland past wrote: »
    The refusal to discuss immigration at political level will destroy our society.

    There is nothing wrong with Ireland remaining Irish.

    If Ireland doesn't remain Irish, and what's yours is mine, and I want to live in your house, then what's to stop me?

    This country will descend into serious violence and politics will be unworkable in a few years. We are so stupid in this country.

    You keep calling Irish people stupid. But at the same time railing against Ireland changing. You want it to stay stupid?

    FYI, some Irish people are stupid. Most aren't.

    Some Irish people are xenophobic bigots. Most aren't.

    The overlap in the Venn diagram of the stupid and bigoted is pretty huge.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #852
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ghost of ireland past wrote: »
    I don't think that merely holding a passport is sufficient.

    You're wrong. That's the legal definition of being Irish.


    What's your(incorrect) definition?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #853
    ghost of ireland past
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 228 ✭✭ghost of ireland past


    Irish people are stupid for not demanding change from our government.

    We have put up with corruption in the Gardai for decades and we continue to do so. That makes us stupid in my view. Our politicians are useless and yet they get voted in time after time.

    Immigration is no different. We should act like the Japanese and say no. We'll allow 1, or maybe 2, but we won't allow too many.


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    #854
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Brian? wrote: »
    Enough to fill the labour pool. Plus some acceptance of refugees, because it’s decent to accept people who need asylum.

    Non Irish are twice as likely as Irish to be in receipt of rent supplement, doesn't seem they are filling the labour pool, more likely to be a burden on our welfare bill.


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    #855
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Stop talking. That thread the other guy quoted was about literal Nazis. You dont have context of the conversation. We werent talking about conservatives we were talking National socialists and fascists.

    No it wasn't. That whole debate centred on how you know someone is a fascist or not, due to people being labelled fascist willy-nilly. Likewise with Nazi*.

    Regardless, if someone is a Nazi, they are not "fair-game" to be murdered. People like you are the reason laws and and a functioning justice system are so important.

    Edit: * in America predominately


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    #856
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    No it wasn't. That whole debate centred on how you know someone is a fascist or not, due to people being labelled fascist willy-nilly. Likewise with Nazi*.

    Regardless, if someone is a Nazi, they are not "fair-game" to be murdered. People like you are the reason laws and and a functioning justice system are so important.

    Edit: * in America predominately

    LOL

    That specific discussion was about literal Heil-Hitler Nazis. Just stop talking.

    You’ve gotten to the point where you’re defending Nazis on boards.ie. I dont know if its the lack of self awareness, or more likely you have a hard on for authoritarian right wing men (possible homoeroticism, but im not judging).

    But I’ll say it again. If you declare yourself to be a Nazi you are a direct threat to my friends, my family, and everything I love about Ireland. If you, a Nazi, try to assert your dominance in this country I will not hesitate to eliminate you violently because what happens if Nazis get in power is far more worse than making a few corpses of sad angry little men like Justin Barrett (The deformed gremlin).


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    #857
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ghost of ireland past wrote: »
    Irish people are stupid for not demanding change from our government.

    We have put up with corruption in the Gardai for decades and we continue to do so. That makes us stupid in my view. Our politicians are useless and yet they get voted in time after time.

    Immigration is no different. We should act like the Japanese and say no. We'll allow 1, or maybe 2, but we won't allow too many.

    Irish people aren't stupid.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #858
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    enricoh wrote: »
    Non Irish are twice as likely as Irish to be in receipt of rent supplement, doesn't seem they are filling the labour pool, more likely to be a burden on our welfare bill.

    Actually - immigrants are more likely to be employed. But carry on.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/migrants-more-likely-to-be-in-work-than-irish-883643.html


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    #859
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭enricoh


    alastair wrote: »
    Actually - immigrants are more likely to be employed. But carry on.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/migrants-more-likely-to-be-in-work-than-irish-883643.html

    So migrants are 4% more likely than Irish to be working but 100% more likely to be on rent supplement than Irish. Fantastic news, let's take more in - the next ones might be more beneficial to our economy!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

    Last year, I decided to ask the Department of Social Protection what percentage of rent supplement was paid out to non-Irish EU nationals, and non-EU nationals.

    As at February of last year, the figure was 35pc. This is a remarkable total. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one.


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    #860
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Stop talking. That thread the other guy quoted was about literal Nazis. You dont have context of the conversation. We werent talking about conservatives we were talking National socialists and fascists.

    Excuse me, don't be a little shyte telling other people to stop talking.

    Where are the National socialists in Ireland these days ?
    You waffle on about Justin Barrett.
    FFS he may be an irritating eejit that wants to drag us back under the fold of the catholic church, but I don't recall him ever espousing the shyte the Nazis came out with.

    How conservative does one have to be to be ripe to be considered one of your undesirables ?

    BTW you do know the ones that started the conversations about wiping out people with different outlooks and different views were the nazis ?


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    #861
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,087 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    alastair wrote: »
    Actually - immigrants are more likely to be employed. But carry on.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/migrants-more-likely-to-be-in-work-than-irish-883643.html

    Sop conflating working legally entitled immigrants with the usual shower of chancers you are normally defending.

    Using that metric you would lump Yosuke Sasaki into the same mix as the "18 year old Egyptian" that murdered him.

    The vast vast majority of people in Ireland have no problems with the Yosuke Sasaki of this world, but have a lot of fecking issues with the other gent and all the other "god knows whos from god knows where" that you are quite happy to disperse around the country.


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    #862
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Brian? wrote: »
    Irish people aren't stupid.

    When it’s comes to the ballot box, Irish people are fuching idiots!


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    #863
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭enricoh


    jmayo wrote: »
    Sop conflating working legally entitled immigrants with the usual shower of chancers you are normally defending.

    Using that metric you would lump Yosuke Sasaki into the same mix as the "18 year old Egyptian" that murdered him.

    The vast vast majority of people in Ireland have no problems with the Yosuke Sasaki of this world, but have a lot of fecking issues with the other gent and all the other "god knows whos from god knows where" that you are quite happy to disperse around the country.

    Here's a good news story today from the asylum spoofer industry, this entrepreneur has 500k in the bank. This hard working lad won't be a drain on resources anyway!
    Maybe rte will do a little heart warming interview with him!


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/man-squatting-at-asylum-centre-had-500-000-in-his-account-1.4165488?mode=amp


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    #864
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    jmayo wrote: »
    Excuse me, don't be a little shyte telling other people to stop talking.

    Where are the National socialists in Ireland these days ?
    You waffle on about Justin Barrett.
    FFS he may be an irritating eejit that wants to drag us back under the fold of the catholic church, but I don't recall him ever espousing the shyte the Nazis came out with.

    How conservative does one have to be to be ripe to be considered one of your undesirables ?

    BTW you do know the ones that started the conversations about wiping out people with different outlooks and different views were the nazis ?

    Stop talking.

    That specific quote on that specific thread was in response to someone defending the rights of Heil-Hitler Nazis. You are trying so desperate to steer this into a conversation about conservatives when that was never what my out-of-context post was about.

    And i’ll say it again. Nazis WILL BE PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED.

    Dont you go declaring yourself to be a strongman masterrace around me or you’ll have to prove it. And if Justin Barrett is on a sidewalk ranting about immigrants while im out with my Russian girlfriend I wont hesitate to toss that hobgoblin freak into the Liffey.
    jmayo wrote: »

    BTW you do know the ones that started the conversations about wiping out people with different outlooks and different views were the nazis ?

    HAHAHAHHA mate if my grandad was alive (ww2 vet who killed nazis in 1944) he would’ve cracked your jaw for saying that. You’re deranged if you legitimately believe killing Nazis makes you as bad as them.

    Its a moral obligation. Like wiping your ass and flushing that shyt stain down the sewer, where Nazi corpses belong.

    And if this post offends you, step back and ask yourself: Why does the idea of attacking Nazis offend you? Have some self awareness.


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    #865
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    what happens if Nazis get in power is far more worse than making a few corpses of sad angry little men like Justin Barrett (The deformed gremlin).

    Demonstrably untrue, Communists have murdered about 100 million more people than the Nazis. There's no comparison at all.


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    #866
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Why is this person allowed to continually make threats of violence on Boards.ie?
    I thought this behaviour was prohibited?


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    #867
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Why is this person allowed to continually make threats of violence on Boards.ie?
    I thought this behaviour was prohibited?

    Are you a nazi?


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    #868
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Demonstrably untrue, Communists have murdered about 100 million more people than the Nazis. There's no comparison at all.

    Total lie. Communists never murdered anyone.


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    #869
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Total lie. Communists never murdered anyone.

    Hahahaaaa


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    #870
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Hahahaaaa

    Are you even Irish ?


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    #871
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    jmayo wrote: »
    Sop conflating working legally entitled immigrants with the usual shower of chancers you are normally defending.

    Using that metric you would lump Yosuke Sasaki into the same mix as the "18 year old Egyptian" that murdered him.

    The vast vast majority of people in Ireland have no problems with the Yosuke Sasaki of this world, but have a lot of fecking issues with the other gent and all the other "god knows whos from god knows where" that you are quite happy to disperse around the country.

    I’m not conflating anything:
    Originally Posted by enricoh View Post
    Non Irish are twice as likely as Irish to be in receipt of rent supplement, doesn't seem they are filling the labour pool, more likely to be a burden on our welfare bill.

    So, are they? Nope, they’re not.


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