No right wing alternative= No alternative

Lonesomerhodes

One thing that strikes me about this election is the idea people are voting for change well their really isn't any!.

All left left left and more left parties.


Not one mainstream party in Ireland is even remotely right so how can you have choice if what you vote for is all the same?.

Not a cigarette papers worth of difference between

Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
For example
They all support the EU
they all support abortion,
all support mass immigration into Ireland (in fact won't discuss it at all under any circumstances)
Not one will ask for public referendum on issues
Refuse to acknowledge billions so far has been spent on direct provision centres while the downtrodden poor Irish people die on the streets
Refuse to question the money doctors get from pharmaceutical firms,
refuse to acknowledge the billions Ireland has in oil and gas etc etc etc


They are all basically the same, left leaning gombeens lining their own pockets making fools of the general public.

Worst is them hardcore Marxist parties that come out with stupid names like People before profit or Anti Austerity alliance, amazed such newspeak buzzword simplicity works on people.
All mindless leftie nonsense.


The only right wing party in Ireland I can think of is the National party and they are tiny and will never ever get media coverage. Not that I agree with them on everything a few bits.

(sigh waits for the mindless screaming of racist this and that)

I like some right wing policies ie

Small accountable government.

Pro life- Believe it or not some people believe life is still sacred

Look after our own citizens first, if we can't look after our own how can we possibly look after tens of thousands of other people?.

A return to our own heritage. This is something often over looked in Ireland, we need to value our history culture and language. Easier said than done in a country where the vast majority of people don't speak the native tongue in fact openly desipise and dismiss it but we can make a start.


Hate to see Ireland become a meaningless vassel state to the EU which all mainstream parties support as they will not question the EU on anything!.


So with no right wing alternative how is this General Election offering ANY alternative?.

Bit of a joke if you ask me.

marieholmfan

You don't know what right wing and left wing actually mean.

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

One thing that strikes me about this election is the idea people are voting for change well their really isn't any!.

All left left left and more left parties.


Not one mainstream party in Ireland is even remotely right so how can you have choice if what you vote for is all the same?.

Not a cigarette papers worth of difference between

Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
For example
They all support the EU
they all support abortion,
all support mass immigration into Ireland (in fact won't discuss it at all under any circumstances)
Not one will ask for public referendum on issues
Refuse to acknowledge billions so far has been spent on direct provision centres while the downtrodden poor Irish people die on the streets
Refuse to question the money doctors get from pharmaceutical firms,
refuse to acknowledge the billions Ireland has in oil and gas etc etc etc


They are all basically the same, left leaning gombeens lining their own pockets making fools of the general public.

Worst is them hardcore Marxist parties that come out with stupid names like People before profit or Anti Austerity alliance, amazed such newspeak buzzword simplicity works on people.
All mindless leftie nonsense.


The only right wing party in Ireland I can think of is the National party and they are tiny and will never ever get media coverage. Not that I agree with them on everything a few bits.

(sigh waits for the mindless screaming of racist this and that)

I like some right wing policies ie

Small accountable government.

Pro life- Believe it or not some people believe life is still sacred

Look after our own citizens first, if we can't look after our own how can we possibly look after tens of thousands of other people?.

A return to our own heritage. This is something often over looked in Ireland, we need to value our history culture and language. Easier said than done in a country where the vast majority of people don't speak the native tongue in fact openly desipise and dismiss it but we can make a start.


Hate to see Ireland become a meaningless vassel state to the EU which all mainstream parties support as they will not question the EU on anything!.


So with no right wing alternative how is this General Election offering ANY alternative?.

Bit of a joke if you ask me.

super_furry

There's no demand. It's been tried down the years - and is still being tried now - from Renua to Libertas to Anontú, people don't want to vote for these cranks.

rob316

Its not a right wing country although I feel some SF supporters intersect with RW ideas.

circadian

super_furry wrote: »

There's no demand. It's been tried down the years - and is still being tried now - from Renua to Libertas to Anontú, people don't want to vote for these cranks.

Let's not forget the National Party.

paw patrol

always curious why Renua get such hate on boards and elsewhere.
They promise to support the working person , better public spend , intolerance of the dole lifers and champions of free speech. what isn't there too like.

I like them but they lack personalities - the original heavyweights have fcuked off when the revolution didn't happen


people may bring up their stance on abortion while i'm pro life myself I'd find it hard to write off a party on a single issue esp since that horse has bolted for the foreseeable .Also I'm pro drugs which they aren't but I can't win them all.

paw patrol

super_furry wrote: »

There's no demand. It's been tried down the years - and is still being tried now - from Renua to Libertas to Anontú, people don't want to vote for these cranks.

Anontu are more left than right.
A stance on family value and abortion doesn't make one automatically on the right

Lonesomerhodes

marieholmfan wrote: »

You don't know what right wing and left wing actually mean.

Suppose your a self appointed expert? Do enlighten me so.

Or you cant even bother with a legitimate response?.

Let me ask you and be honest here

Is there a genuine Right alternative or vote in Ireland??.

redmgar

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

I like some right wing policies ie

You mean eg
Sorry to be a grammar Nazi.

ohnonotgmail

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Suppose your a self appointed expert? Do enlighten me so.

Or you cant even bother with a legitimate response?.

Let me ask you and be honest here

Is there a genuine Right alternative or vote in Ireland??.

thankfully there is no call for such an alternative.

marieholmfan

rob316 wrote: »

Its not a right wing country although I feel some SF supporters intersect with RW ideas.

That's absolutely true.
Sinn Fein control the 'ethnonationalist space' in the Republic of Ireland and they dissipate some of its worst features.

super_furry

paw patrol wrote: »

Anontu are more left than right.
A stance on family value and abortion doesn't make one automatically on the right

Fair play, hadn't actually looked too deep into them outside of the anti-abortion thing. Seems they'll economically left but socially right-wing.

marieholmfan

paw patrol wrote: »

Anontu are more left than right.
A stance on family value and abortion doesn't make one automatically on the right

100% true and I don't believe they stand for 'family values' in the American sense. They are against abortion - but what are they supposed to do about it now?

super_furry wrote: »

Fair play, hadn't actually looked too deep into them outside of the anti-abortion thing. Seems they'll economically left but socially right-wing.

Perhaps we could say left wing and socially conservative; there's no but.

super_furry

rob316 wrote: »

Its not a right wing country although I feel some SF supporters intersect with RW ideas.

Absolutely. That's why you sometimes seem this big disconnect between their grassroots and supporters and leadership - as with the Paddy Holohan thing.

It's was a big headache for the leadership, but the majority or Sinn Fein supporters I saw at least were defending him.

marieholmfan

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Suppose your a self appointed expert? Do enlighten me so.

Or you cant even bother with a legitimate response?.

Let me ask you and be honest here

Is there a genuine Right alternative or vote in Ireland??.

The right wing believe that the better you do the more you should get; the left believe in share and share alike.


That's what it means. You're mixing it up with conservative an liberal.

Cordell

paw patrol wrote: »

Anontu are more left than right.
A stance on family value and abortion doesn't make one automatically on the right

On the far ends of the spectrum left and right do overlap on many issues like nationalism (the xenophobic kind) and totalitarianism - as in telling people what they can and can't do and think, including abortion and same sex marriage.

The Nal

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

(sigh waits for the mindless screaming of racist this and that)

Not from me.

What I will say is that you're hopelessly misinformed.

El_Duderino 09

super_furry wrote: »

There's no demand. It's been tried down the years - and is still being tried now - from Renua to Libertas to Anontú, people don't want to vote for these cranks.

This is it. The parties are there but the people don't vote for them. They have the same challenges as any other new party but they just don't get the votes. If they got the votes, they would be mainstream.

This isn't a Conspiracy against the right. It's just voters not choosing to vote for them.

Slowyourrole

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail/ Greens/People before profit/Sinn Fein/Labour etc etc
For example
They all support the EU
they all support abortion,
all support mass immigration into Ireland (in fact won't discuss it at all under any circumstances)
Not one will ask for public referendum on issues
Refuse to acknowledge billions so far has been spent on direct provision centres while the downtrodden poor Irish people die on the streets
Refuse to question the money doctors get from pharmaceutical firms,
refuse to acknowledge the billions Ireland has in oil and gas etc etc etc

We had a referendum on abortion very recently. Did you miss it?

marieholmfan

Cordell wrote: »

On the far ends of the spectrum left and right do overlap on many issues like nationalism (the xenophobic kind) and totalitarianism - as in telling people what they can and can't do and think, including abortion and same sex marriage.

What does that even mean?
There are left authoritarians and right authoritarians and there are left liberals and right liberals.

Left and right are about whether you believe in share and share alike or the better you do the more you get ; and the balance between them.

banie01

Slowyourrole wrote: »

We had a referendum on abortion very recently. Did you miss it?

I think the OP may believe that the pro-life anti baby killing Catholic majority did...

Or they were tricked into supporting it by the nasty MSM.

Cordell

marieholmfan wrote: »

What does that even mean?
There are left authoritarians and right authoritarians and there are left liberals and right liberals.

Left and right are about whether you believe in share and share alike or the better you do the more you get ; and the balance between them.

I was only referring to the far left and far right, not the moderate ones. And the fact that many bad ideas are common to both far left and far right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory)

Lonesomerhodes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

thankfully there is no call for such an alternative.

Bit fascist of you eh 'Thankfully no alternative'.

I'd like to think people can and should have choice rather than have no choice!.

Choice is desperately important actually.

Thankfully you aren't in charge, everyone must agree on everything.

Yes there is a desire for it,

I can assure you.

People the length of Ireland once they find out billions of taxpayers money spent on direct provision and billions more to be spent on it they question more and want REAL change.

They simply never hear of it from the brainwashing media or all the left leaning parties.
Most simply don't know!.

ohnonotgmail

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Bit fascist of you eh 'Thankfully no alternative'.

I'd like to think people can and should have choice rather than have no choice!.

Choice is desperately important actually.

Thankfully you aren't in charge, everyone must agree on everything.

Yes there is a desire for it,

I can assure you.

People the length of Ireland once they find out billions of taxpayers money spent on direct provision and billions more to be spent on it they question more and want REAL change.

They simply never hear of it from the brainwashing media or all the left leaning parties.
Most simply don't know!.

I dont remember saying that people should not have a choice. can you quote where i said that? what i said was very simple to understand. it comprises two parts. One part is there is no demand for right wing parties in ireland. the second part is that i am thankful that this is the case. Do i need to explain anything further to you?

banie01

banie01 wrote: »

I think the OP may believe that the pro-life anti baby killing Catholic majority did...

Or they were tricked into supporting it by the nasty MSM.

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

They simply never hear of it from the brainwashing media or all the left leaning parties.
Most simply don't know!

Not gonna gloat and say I called this!
But!!!

The Nal

banie01 wrote: »

Not gonna gloat and say I called this!
But!!!

We're a few posts away from George Soros, globalists and chemtrails aren't we? Whatcha reckon? Before lunch?

Lonesomerhodes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont remember saying that people should not have a choice. can you quote where i said that? what i said was very simple to understand. it comprises two parts. One part is there is no demand for right wing parties in ireland. the second part is that i am thankful that this is the case. Do i need to explain anything further to you?

No it's very clear to me.

Praising having no alternative.

Which proves you don't like choice in political matters maybe not shouldn't have it but you are happy people DON'T have it.:rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

No it's very clear to me.

Praising having no alternative.

Which proves you don't like choice in political matters maybe not shouldn't have it but you are happy people DON'T have it.:rolleyes:

well it obviously isn't very clear to you as again you have not bothered to read the post you quoted. please quote where i said that i am happy that people do not have choice. in your own time.

marieholmfan

Where do you stand on the rich?

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Bit fascist of you eh 'Thankfully no alternative'.

I'd like to think people can and should have choice rather than have no choice!.

Choice is desperately important actually.

Thankfully you aren't in charge, everyone must agree on everything.

Yes there is a desire for it,

I can assure you.

People the length of Ireland once they find out billions of taxpayers money spent on direct provision and billions more to be spent on it they question more and want REAL change.

They simply never hear of it from the brainwashing media or all the left leaning parties.
Most simply don't know!.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Satire is alive and well. Hence I'll award you 3/10.

satire requires wit and intelligence.

Lonesomerhodes

The Nal wrote: »

We're a few posts away from George Soros, globalists and chemtrails aren't we? Whatcha reckon? Before lunch?

How much is Soros paying you to derail this thread?. Ha. :rolleyes:

But on a serious note not one person here can say we have a genuine right alternative and thus no alternative if they all parrot the same ould shyte and policy.

Hardly a choice if you don't have one right?.

paw patrol

super_furry wrote: »

Fair play, hadn't actually looked too deep into them outside of the anti-abortion thing. Seems they'll economically left but socially right-wing.

we finally agree on something, you mightn't be too bad after all:pac:

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

This is it. The parties are there but the people don't vote for them. They have the same challenges as any other new party but they just don't get the votes. If they got the votes, they would be mainstream.

This isn't a Conspiracy against the right. It's just voters not choosing to vote for them.

I agree - which (see my post above) baffles me . We see people moan about free loaders , high taxes, public waste and the rest . Yet Renua don't get a look in .

Irish people seem to want to mouth off and do nothing about it.
Weird .

maybe fixing the road is the key.

marieholmfan

paw patrol wrote: »

I agree - which (see my post above) baffles me . We see people moan about fee loaders , high taxes, public waste and the rest . Yet Renua don't get a look in .

Renua are just right wing grifters.
Give me a socially conservative party that will hammer the rich and I'll vote for them.

ohnonotgmail

marieholmfan wrote: »

Where do you stand on the rich?

the throat?

The Nal

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

No it's very clear to me.

Praising having no alternative.

Which proves you don't like choice in political matters maybe not shouldn't have it but you are happy people DON'T have it.:rolleyes:

Renua are a new right wing party. They got lots of coverage from the "MSM" and 2.2%, 0.4% and 0.6% of people voted for them in three elections they have contested.

jimgoose

OP, I put it to you that you know as much about actual Right Wing thinking as a dog knows about his father. I further put it to you that you are, in fact, Dominic Walsh:

banie01

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

How much is Soros paying you to derail this thread?. Ha. :rolleyes:

But on a serious note not one person here can say we have a genuine right alternative and thus no alternative if they all parrot the same ould shyte and policy.

Hardly a choice if you don't have one right?.

You are missing the very simple calculus here.

People have started organisations and parties espousing right wing and xenophobic policy in Ireland on a regular basis since the very formation of the state.

They have never gained popular support, never gained a mandate.
Or in other words, a choice was made by more one electorate not to support them.

Or as it's commonly known in many parts of the world, democracy in action.

Lonesomerhodes

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

The only right wing party in Ireland I can think of is the National party and they are tiny and will never ever get media coverage. Not that I agree with them on everything a few bits.

FF & FG never existed. It was a prolonged dream sequence out of Dallas.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

FF & FG never existed. It was a prolonged dream sequence out of Dallas.

Does it end with De Valera in the shower?

banie01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

FF & FG never existed. It was a prolonged dream sequence out of Dallas.

If only O'Higgins hadn't been assassinated

We could have been Francoist's without the Tans...

Which then clearly takes care of any need to ever worry about a commemoration for the Tans!

super_furry

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Does it end with De Valera in the shower?

Yeah but it's an ice-cold one and nuns are scrubbing him with wire brushes.

ohnonotgmail

super_furry wrote: »

Yeah but it's an ice-cold one and nuns are scrubbing him with wire brushes.

i always thought he was a bit kinky underneath it all.

carq

I dont think a true right wing party would have a chance in ireland.

But i believe there would be a big appetite for a true centre party , centre/right here, similar to conservatives in uk.

Lonesomerhodes

marieholmfan wrote: »

Renua are just right wing grifters.
Give me a socially conservative party that will hammer the rich and I'll vote for them.

What choice do you have in this regard?. :cool:

Meanwhile if you want to vote left you have (from one party alone)

people before profit
anti austerity alliance
solidarity party
rise



all these stem from one party, Socialist workers party alone!.

They will call themselves something else in the morning to appeal to the simple minded.

People matter and we will get you everything for nothing or some other such nonsense.

They scoop up alot of votes with this newspeak slogan vacuous nonsense.

I'm really amazed people fall for it.


Meanwhile someone wants to vote right?. Feck all!.

jimgoose

banie01 wrote: »

If only O'Higgins hadn't been assassinated

We could have been Francoist's without the Tans...

Which then clearly takes care of any need to ever worry about a commemoration for the Tans!

Wasn't O'Higgins one of very few Cumann na nGaedheal members who wasn't fan of the European fascists? In fact Bill Gannon, spittle-flecked Commie and one of the gang that assassinated him, was openly "Francoist".

The Nal

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Meanwhile someone wants to vote right?. Feck all!.

Did you not vote for Renua? They tick all your boxes.

thegetawaycar

I'm surprised you are yet to hear that FG are super right wing despite adding to Welfare rates and Christmas bonus being brought back etc...

One of the reasons you don't see right wing parties is because the minute it's mentioned the media will jump on them as racist or loons etc...
The media do really hold the cards, they will encourage the "we should be given a place/subsidised enough to live city centre on minimum wage" types. All this while knowing there simply isn't enough accommodation in the city centre to house everyone that wants to be there, so the supply will never meet demand.

IMO There would be no harm in having an option that was more right than FG and that were given a fair crack.

I wouldn't consider myself massively right wing as I have beliefs on both sides but would like to see us instead of continuing to throw money at welfare raises use that money to build housing for the needy.
Build more prisons and have a much harsher sentencing systems after large numbers of convictions thus freeing up resources of policing/judicial system that seem to always be dealing with the same small percentage of people.

A lower rate with better/cheaper services for all would be my view point but I've been told on numerous occasions it's extremely right wing beliefs. Anything right of centre in Ireland is vilified.

Lonesomerhodes

thegetawaycar wrote: »

I'm surprised you are yet to hear that FG are super right wing despite adding to Welfare rates and Christmas bonus being brought back etc...

One of the reasons you don't see right wing parties is because the minute it's mentioned the media will jump on them as racist or loons etc...
The media do really hold the cards, they will encourage the "we should be given a place/subsidised enough to live city centre on minimum wage" types. All this while knowing there simply isn't enough accommodation in the city centre to house everyone that wants to be there, so the supply will never meet demand.

IMO There would be no harm in having an option that was more right than FG and that were given a fair crack.

I wouldn't consider myself massively right wing as I have beliefs on both sides but would like to see us instead of continuing to throw money at welfare raises use that money to build housing for the needy.
Build more prisons and have a much harsher sentencing systems after large numbers of convictions thus freeing up resources of policing/judicial system that seem to always be dealing with the same small percentage of people.

A lower rate with better/cheaper services for all would be my view point but I've been told on numerous occasions it's extremely right wing beliefs. Anything right of centre in Ireland is vilified.

Jeez a grown up adult response to the issue I raised. :eek::eek::eek:

I may sit down feel faint!.


Thanks,

And yes I agree the media despise the right (not that we have one) and anything to do with nationalist politics.


Such a real shame people get nothing but left wing drivel from the media.

The Nal

Heres Lucinda Creighton and Eddie Hobbs on the Late Late. The day Renua launched. Viewing figures of 650,000 to 700,000. 20 minutes, Friday night primetime. An easy, uncontested soft interview from the young fogey.

And no one voted for them.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jmpvg

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

Jeez a grown up adult response to the issue I raised. :eek::eek::eek:

I may sit down feel faint!.


Thanks,

And yes I agree the media despise the right (not that we have one) and anything to do with nationalist politics.


Such a real shame people get nothing but left wing drivel from the media.

Did you not vote for Renua?

Lonesomerhodes

The Nal wrote: »

Heres Lucinda Creighton and Eddie Hobbs on the Late Late. The day Renua launched. Viewing figures of 650,000 to 700,000. 20 minutes, Friday night primetime. An easy, uncontested soft interview from the young fogey.

And no one voted for them.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jmpvg

They aren't right wing at all!. They would admit that themselves!.

Think people are clutching at straws here what right is and isn't.

People do vote right,

National Rally party France
Victor Orban in Hungary

Trump will easily sleepwalk through the next election as the American economy is flying

paw patrol

marieholmfan wrote: »

Renua are just right wing grifters.
Give me a socially conservative party that will hammer the rich and I'll vote for them.

I don't know if you can say that about Renua , they haven't had a shot at power yet to see how they'd get on.
They could be sh1te tbh but i'd like to see somebody with similar policies have a crack at it.

I don't get the hate for the rich tbh.