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Cyberpunk - CD Project Red

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  • #2452
    J. Marston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Will Microsoft follow suit or keep it as an unofficial exclusive?


  • #2453
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,729 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Wouldn’t be surprised to see a total overhaul of CDPR management at this stage. From the broken promise of no crunch to the underwhelming game to the catastrophe with the base console versions, this is a PR disaster I can’t really compare to anything else. Even your Anthems or whatever, disappointing though they were, didn’t launch in a barely playable version on certain machines.

    What an absolute failure of management: to put your workers through awful conditions just to end up with this unholy mess anyway. Really stinks of a company that has been dealt a debilitating blow by ‘going public’ - there are a lot of rich people in CDPR upper management, but looks like shareholders are forcing them to make terrible decisions about their actual games.


  • #2454
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    Tbh, this could be compared to the release of the original version of FFXIV I think.

    That is at least the closest trash fire I can think of, it just gets forgotten now cause the reboot was such an unmitigated success and one of the highest rated FFs ever.


  • #2455
    Oat23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,364 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Oat23 wrote: »
    I'll be waiting at least a week to see how things go. I refuse to pre-order or buy the game on release day because of their silly restrictions on reviews and streaming. Feels like they are trying to hide something pre-release.


    I was cautious but even I didn't see it becoming this big of a sh*tshow. It's absolutely amazing that they have messed this up so much that Sony have been forced to remove it and put together a system to auto-refund the game, because their customer service reps have been spending too much time doing it manually for people you would assume.


    Thankfully I wasn't invested in this game for years like millions of others were. The disappointment they must feel now... Hopefully in 6-12 months it will be fixed and I'll be able to pick it up second hand because there's no way I'm giving them another sale after the way they've acted.


  • #2456
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,729 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It brings me no pleasure to have called it :pac:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114263552&postcount=9303


  • #2457
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Unreal that Sony doesn't have an automated refund system by now. And cdpr have to pay the price for it. They did this earlier with a call to action to refund.


  • #2458
    sticker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    The story behind this game is infinitely more interesting than the game itself.

    What a glorious ****show.

    As a long time gamer I would be very interested if production process, delays and decision making was made public in a well produced documentary. I'm sure Netflix are scrambling for the job...


  • #2459
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    They lied to gamers, they lied to reviewers, and then they threw MS and Sony under the bus with the whole certification comments and the refunds that they didn't clear with them. They also tried to blames gamers on not selling a game on GOG, when it was blatantly obvious that they did that to not offend the Chinese government.

    I think this is really unprecedented on several levels. CDPR just destroyed there reputation with gaming media, destroyed the relationship with MS and Sony, and pissed off all there fans, especially those playing on last gen (i would call it a scam for last gen gamers).

    I really don't see how they come back from this to be honest.


  • #2460
    gimli2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    no harm to see them fail after what they did, pity the innocent employees who are also the victims of corporate greed


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  • #2461
    sticker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    no harm to see them fail after what they did, pity the innocent employees who are also the victims of corporate greed

    This 100%


  • #2462
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Fair play to Sony.


  • #2463
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    They deserve backlash especially for bending over to China. That said its being treated unevenly compared to other imo worse launches like No Mans Sky and Fallout 76.

    I think it'll rebound and like this review states will probably become timeless. I am still excited about its future, expansions and online. Only real worry is that they won't properly open it up for modding like they lied about with Witcher 3. That's all I can really describe CDPR as right now: Liars. Have been for a long time actually. But it's not why they have a history of hate towards them by places like Reeesetera and the mainstream press.

    Sony don't give a shyte about actually protecting their customers. This is purely for their own protection. The fact that they don't already have an automated and reliable refund system and their publishing of other similar catastrophic launches shows this. They're not the hero but they've always been allies of censorship so they're certainly going to win points with that crowd for this move.


  • #2464
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    wes wrote: »
    then they threw MS and Sony under the bus with the whole certification comments


    Was this before or after release that CDPR started talking about certification?


  • #2465
    earthwormjack
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭earthwormjack


    wes wrote: »
    They lied to gamers, they lied to reviewers, and then they threw MS and Sony under the bus with the whole certification comments and the refunds that they didn't clear with them. They also tried to blames gamers on not selling a game on GOG, when it was blatantly obvious that they did that to not offend the Chinese government.

    I think this is really unprecedented on several levels. CDPR just destroyed there reputation with gaming media, destroyed the relationship with MS and Sony, and pissed off all there fans, especially those playing on last gen (i would call it a scam for last gen gamers).

    I really don't see how they come back from this to be honest.

    And lied to investors on a call not so long ago saying that the game ran surprisingly well on the base consoles. ****ty behaviour everywhere from CDPR management these last few months.


  • #2466
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    That's a huge step from Sony. I'd imagine the whole certification fiasco and telling everyone they could have a refund without speaking to platform holders burnt whatever goodwill they had left.

    I can't think of another game dev that torched their entire reputation so thoroughly in the space of just one week.


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  • #2467
    recyclops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭recyclops


    Wonder if CDPR can counter and remove it from ps5 as technically it was never released on it.

    ****show all round really which is a game as the game is excellent


  • #2468
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Smiles35 wrote: »
    Was this before or after release that CDPR started talking about certification?

    After on an investor call.


  • #2469
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    Has any "AAA" game company had this happen in any recent memory? I saw this when I got up this morning and I'm beyond words. Was it really that bad??


  • #2470
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,215 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    CDPR have absolutely ****ed their reputation over this. They could have cancelled the PS4/XBox version the day before release and they still would have come out looking far better then they do now. Many PC users are happy enough with the game, and maybe next gen console users (not sure how its running on the PS5/Series X), but i don't blame anyone who bought it on the PS4/XBox being pissed at them.

    "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" :pac:


  • #2471
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,403 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Graphically the PS5 version is sub par, im more concerned with the amount of crashes the game has, along with some nasty graphical glitches.

    This game should have been pushed back another year


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  • #2472
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Graphically the PS5 version is sub par, im more concerned with the amount of crashes the game has, along with some nasty graphical glitches.

    This game should have been pushed back another year

    Just sounded like CDPR employees were desperate for that money in time for Xmas.


  • #2473
    sticker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    I wouldn't be fully surprised if Microsoft dont follow Sonys lead here. It would not ressonate well to continue to support a broken game on their console platform.


  • #2474
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »
    Has any "AAA" game company had this happen in any recent memory? I saw this when I got up this morning and I'm beyond words. Was it really that bad??

    No mans sky was the last dogs dinner iirc


  • #2475
    sticker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Graphically the PS5 version is sub par, im more concerned with the amount of crashes the game has, along with some nasty graphical glitches.

    This game should have been pushed back another year

    Its sad really - especially for the grafting devs that poured so much time and work into it.

    Obviously the Corpos in CDPR have f***ed this up for everyone.

    I've left my PS4 version to play on PS5 in the shrink wrap.

    IF this mess is ever sorted, I'll wait for that day to come to start play. Not anytime soon methinks...


  • #2476
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    BrownFinger wrote: »
    No mans sky was the last dogs dinner iirc

    I don't think the game was taken off of storefronts though. The game wasn't broken on release either it was just barebones and full of nothing. I also don't recall (could be wrong) Sony allowing refunds for digital purchases.


  • #2477
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,904 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    From the investor call a few months back, it whiffed of shareholders pushing it through to collect those sweet sweet eddies and cdpr management trying to appease everyone and in doing so made an absolute shambles of the whole thing.

    So many bridges burnt. A spectacular end of the gaming year that was 2020.


  • #2478
    sticker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭sticker


    Question: If some poor sods avoid the refund and have the digital version installed, can they continue to play on PS4/PS5?


  • #2479
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    sticker wrote: »
    Question: If some poor sods avoid the refund and has digital version installed, can they continue to play on PS4/PS5?

    Yeah I think I read somewhere else that those who already have the game can continue to play it. You just can't buy it.


  • #2480
    Stone Deaf 4evr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    sticker wrote: »
    Question: If some poor sods avoid the refund and have the digital version installed, can they continue to play on PS4/PS5?

    yes


  • #2481
    Stone Deaf 4evr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    BrownFinger wrote: »
    No mans sky was the last dogs dinner iirc

    Fallout 76?
    Mass effect Andromeda?


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  • #2482
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »
    I don't think the game was taken off of storefronts though. The game wasn't broken on release either it was just barebones and full of nothing. I also don't recall (could be wrong) Sony allowing refunds for digital purchases.

    You could definitely get a refund.
    Hard to believe that was summer 2017:eek:

    this is why I just play skyrim :D


  • #2483
    Rossi IRL
    Registered Users Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Rossi IRL


    For anyone who likes the Skippy pistol
    After 50 Headshots it reverts to the other mode and then there is a side quest to return it to the owner, I'm going to try the duplication glitch to try get around it


  • #2484
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    BrownFinger wrote: »
    You could definitely get a refund.
    Hard to believe that was summer 2017:eek:

    this is why I just play skyrim :D

    2016 actually :pac:

    For what it's worth, NMS is tremendous nowadays.


  • #2485
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »
    I don't think the game was taken off of storefronts though.
    From what I remember some retailers took it off shelves because of the refunds coming in when it released without online (Sean Murray insinuated it had online). Fallout 76 had some kind of retailer action too and was seen in bargain bins on release day. Not to mention the unending list of feckups they had related to its in-game payments, glitches, hacking, publishing and merchandise scams. I remember the plastic in the helmet not being manufactured right and was smelling like toxin or something and of course the infamous 'canvas bag' :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8P2CZg3sJQ


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8


  • #2486
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Say what you want about NMS, but damn, Hello Games totally redeemed themselves. What a great game it is now.


  • #2487
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    BrownFinger wrote: »
    No mans sky was the last dogs dinner iirc

    But HG were a tiny company. I think they had 20 staff.


  • #2488
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    So I've an unopened version as a Christmas present from the other half to me for PS4 pro, what should one do ? Haven't played it yet.


  • #2489
    klose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,873 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »
    Fallout 76?
    Mass effect Andromeda?

    Anthem? OK, iirc it was not a buggy mess but the fallout for that one was pretty bad too.


  • #2490
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    Robert ninja wrote: »
    From what I remember some retailers took it off shelves because of the refunds coming in when it released without online (Sean Murray insinuated it had online). Fallout 76 had some kind of retailer action too and was seen in bargain bins on release day. Not to mention the unending list of feckups they had related to its in-game payments, glitches, hacking, publishing and merchandise scams. I remember the plastic in the helmet not being manufactured right and was smelling like toxin or something and of course the infamous 'canvas bag' :D

    I was more-so referring to digital storefronts like on PSN. I don't recall seeing it delisted the same way CP2077 was.

    Also, F76 was a sh*t show before the "hype" of that game even started. The moment I heard it was an online game I lost interest. I wasn't the only one either. Ironically I'm the one that started what is now the main Fallout 76 thread on this site, yet it's a game I never played, nor intend to. It was also a game developed by Bethesda. You deserve what you get when you buy a game using that engine lol

    Mass Effect Andromeda had Assassin's Creed Unity-levels of bugs/glitches but nothing that made the game unplayable. Both games were never delisted from storefronts and digital refunds on PSN were never offered AFAIK.

    The devs never held their games from journalists either and I don't recall them removing videos of certain versions of games the way CDPR did.


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  • #2491
    Markitron
    Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    I still think what Gearbox did was worse
    listermint wrote: »
    So I've an unopened version as a Christmas present from the other half to me for PS4 pro, what should one do ? Haven't played it yet.

    If you plan on getting a PS5 in the near future hang onto it, if not get a refund.


  • #2492
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »
    Both games were never delisted from storefronts and digital refunds on PSN were never offered AFAIK
    Which just speaks to their double standard. I'm convinced Sony is doing this to save themselves from refunds rather than their customers from a bad product since they've never given a shyte about that before. But what do I care what Sony does, I boycotted them ever since they applied their California-based standards to their original Japanese market.


  • #2493
    Gyan84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Gyan84


    Definitely didn't expect to see it removed from PSN.

    It's also clear that it was removed due to CDPR dropping SONY into a PR nightmare with the refund situation rather than the quality or lack of it of the game itself. We can see that by some of the games they decide to promote on their official channels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM523jjrvf4 :pac:

    I disagree that their reputation will never recover. No Man's Sky underdelivered far more yet people seem to love it/Hello Games now that the game is up to scratch a few years later.

    A couple of months of patching and the inevitable hype cycle for the Witcher 4 and this will be largely forgotten about imo.


  • #2494
    recyclops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭recyclops


    Rossi IRL wrote: »
    For anyone who likes the Skippy pistol
    After 50 Headshots it reverts to the other mode and then there is a side quest to return it to the owner, I'm going to try the duplication glitch to try get around it
    Just dont return him, still a great gun when in pacifist mode


  • #2495
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    Robert ninja wrote: »
    Which just speaks to their double standard. I'm convinced Sony is doing this to save themselves from refunds rather than their customers from a bad product since they've never given a shyte about that before. But what do I care what Sony does, I boycotted them ever since they applied their California-based standards to their original Japanese market.

    I don't go that deep into any boycott as all I want to do is play games, but I won't defend Sony in this regard. Literally (almost) every other store allow refunds as is the standard practice of consumer law (surely?). Under the supply of goods and services act, at least here in Ireland, all consumers are entitled to a repair, replacement and refund

    "Under the Sale of Goods and Supply of Services Act 1980, anything you buy from a retailer must be:

    - of merchantable quality
    - fit for its normal purpose, and reasonably durable
    - as described, whether the description is part of the advertising or wrapping, on a label, or something said by the salesperson.

    When you buy goods from a retailer, you make a contract with him. He agrees to provide certain goods to you for a certain price. If your purchase turns out to be faulty, the retailer, not the manufacturer, is responsible to you and must sort out your complaint. You are entitled to a refund, a replacement or a repair."

    I can only imagine this law is found in a lot of other countries as well, or at least something very similar?

    Sony, in this instance, is the "retailer", and when I see this act, and see companies being blatant in their disregard for it, it astounds me. Like why would you do something so corrupt? (I know; money/greed)


  • #2496
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    What happens in terms of patches now that it’s been removed from the store? Can they still go ahead?


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  • #2497
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Markitron wrote: »
    I still think what Gearbox did was worse



    If you plan on getting a PS5 in the near future hang onto it, if not get a refund.

    I do probably next year once the storm dies down. But how will my PS 4 copy work on PS5. Excuse my ignorance but haven't researched that heavily.


  • #2498
    Gamer Bhoy 89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Gamer Bhoy 89


    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    What happens in terms of patches now that it’s been removed from the store? Can they still go ahead?

    I'd fathom a guess that they'll "Re-release" the game with a hotfix of some kind, I 'm not sure. I'm usually optimistic but I don't think they'll fix it until it's relisted on the store


  • #2499
    recyclops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭recyclops


    if the ps5 only downloads a copy of the game from the store when a ps4 disc inserted will this screw over loads of folk at christmas as well. This is a sham from sony if that is the case


  • #2500
    Morzadec
    Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    So is the verdict that it's not worth playing on the ps4? Have it downloaded and just created my character but haven't had a chance to go further.

    I'd be a fairly casual gamer especially with these types of games - could i still enjoy it or are the bugs just too noticeable?


  • #2501
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Say what you want about NMS, but damn, Hello Games totally redeemed themselves. What a great game it is now.

    Honestly think it's one of the best three games of the last generation. Absolutely incredible piece of work.


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