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    #2492
    lsjmhar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭lsjmhar


    The high horse brigade wrote:
    There are boxes like the Tiviar that run Enigma software that can be configured with little effort to do all you need and combine both Saorview and Freesat and plugins are available for the players for Enigma boxes.

    The high horse brigade wrote:
    There is no series link. You can set a weekly timer and hope the schedule doesn't change.


    Do these plugins work? The last time I had an enigma2 set-up none of the plugins worked. It was an Amino Alien 2 so maybe the hardware was powerful enough!

    I am considering an E2 set-up again but this time I will buy a future proofed box with high specs as the cheap boxes don't have the hardware specs to cope with multiple recording, particularly if you are recording a HD channel while watching a second HD channel.


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    #2493
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    I just switched my aerial from Connect over to the LG tv aerial connection. I tuned in the channels and rearranged them. The user interface is not too bad, not as good as Connect or freesat but pretty ok.

    With this set up could you record rte2 and watch rte1? I presume not as they are on different muxes and the tv has just one terrestrial tuner?
    At least with Connect you can do that.

    Having the series link is handy too as some stuff doesn't go on the player or stay there for long.

    The enigma boxes have a good set up with the combined epg.

    However, combining a freesat box with a smart tv to get the saorview is not too bad, especially with the rte player launched. Series link is the missing piece.

    Is series link just controlled by the epg or do you need some specialist software to allow it to happen?


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    #2494
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    I just switched my aerial from Connect over to the LG tv aerial connection. I tuned in the channels and rearranged them. The user interface is not too bad, not as good as Connect or freesat but pretty ok.

    With this set up could you record rte2 and watch rte1? I presume not as they are on different muxes and the tv has just one terrestrial tuner?
    At least with Connect you can do that.

    Having the series link is handy too as some stuff doesn't go on the player or stay there for long.

    The enigma boxes have a good set up with the combined epg.

    However, combining a freesat box with a smart tv to get the saorview is not too bad, especially with the rte player launched. Series link is the missing piece.

    Is series link just controlled by the epg or do you need some specialist software to allow it to happen?

    It is not too good either.
    Besides two sets of channels lists to deal with, you will have two HDDs to record to as well as other 'gotchas'.


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    #2495
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    lsjmhar wrote: »
    Do these plugins work? The last time I had an enigma2 set-up none of the plugins worked. It was an Amino Alien 2 so maybe the hardware was powerful enough!

    I am considering an E2 set-up again but this time I will buy a future proofed box with high specs as the cheap boxes don't have the hardware specs to cope with multiple recording, particularly if you are recording a HD channel while watching a second HD channel.

    The Amiko Alien 2 was a very poor box, I had one. It had a very weak CPU, barely enough ram and as it only supported usb drives it always struggled. It also had a CPU that's not native to Enigma 2, support for it has pretty much dropped. You were pretty much running a hacked version enigma on it with very little support.

    The Tiviar on the other hand is very fast, handles multiple simultaneous streams and recordings without breaking a sweat and has hardware that's well supported by the open source community with a few different teams developing for it.

    There is currently a working player plugin for Enigma. I don't use it much though and will use the RTE one less now they've an Android TV app and added Chromecast support for Android


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    #2496
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    With this set up could you record rte2 and watch rte1? I presume not as they are on different muxes and the tv has just one terrestrial tuner?
    At least with Connect you can do that.

    Yes you can, but at the 'expense' of not being able to watch or record anything from satellite [Edit: at the same time], if I understand correctly.

    I fail to understand why most modern STBs do not come with dual DVB-T/T2 and dual DVB-S/S2 tuners.


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    #2497
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Yes you can, but at the 'expense' of not being able to watch or record anything from satellite, if I understand correctly.

    I fail to understand why most modern STBs do not come with dual DVB-T/T2 and dual DVB-S/S2 tuners.

    But the tv only has 1 terrestrial tuner so it couldn't tune to 2 different muxes at the same time? The satellite tuner can't tune the terrestrial side.


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    #2498
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    But the tv only has 1 terrestrial tuner so it couldn't tune to 2 different muxes at the same time? The satellite tuner can't tune the terrestrial side.

    ... and the hybrid tuner can only tune to either at any time.
    So the Connect is short on tuners IMO.


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    #2499
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    ... and the hybrid tuner can only tune to either at any time.
    So the Connect is short on tuners IMO.

    But the Connect allows you to record rte 1 and watch rte 2 at the same time, something a single tuner device like a tv won't allow you to do.

    That is a big disadvantage about using just the tv for your saorview needs.

    You can see why Sky is such a handy solution for people.
    I guess if Connect is added to tvs they still wouldn't have a dual terrestrial tuner.


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    #2500
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    But the Connect allows you to record rte 1 and watch rte 2 at the same time, something a single tuner device like a tv won't allow you to do.

    That is a big disadvantage about using just the tv for your saorview needs.

    You can see why Sky is such a handy solution for people.
    I guess if Connect is added to tvs they still wouldn't have a dual terrestrial tuner.

    If that was an important feature/requirement then the majority of FTA STBs would have dual DVB-T tuners (which I think they should), instead of dual DVB-S tuners.

    It is RTÉ business to promote their DVB-T, so it is hardly any surprise the Connect has two DVB-T tuner capability.

    A lot of those FTA STBs can accept a second (USB dongle costing ~€10) DVB-T tuner, thus providing two tuners of each type.
    Can the Connect box do this?

    As for Sky ...... no thanks. Even besides the cost factor, I refuse to use any device that does not allow me to organise my channel list as I choose, and have that list only contain channels I want to watch.


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    #2501
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    But the Connect allows you to record rte 1 and watch rte 2 at the same time, something a single tuner device like a tv won't allow you to do.

    That is a big disadvantage about using just the tv for your saorview needs.

    You can see why Sky is such a handy solution for people.
    I guess if Connect is added to tvs they still wouldn't have a dual terrestrial tuner.
    And yet I'm able to record multiple channels on SaorSat at the same time via a single tuner on a generic Linux box...

    Depending on the kit you can record one or more channels on the same Mux at the same time.


    To be blunt if you were in the market for a new TV I'd recommend you spend a bit more on a better TV than buy a Connect.


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    #2502
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    It is not too good either.
    Besides two sets of channels lists to deal with, you will have two HDDs to record to as well as other 'gotchas'.
    Saorview Connect doesn't solve any of the gotcha's either, you are still going to need TWO boxes OR a pay every month contract with Sky/Virgin/Eir/Vodafone etc.

    A genuine Freesat box is idiot-proof and stuff like Auto channel Tune, EPG, Series link, Red button all just work. And most of the content on Virgin is on Freesat earlier and in HD. If you can only afford one box FreeSat is the way to go and stick a USB key in the telly.


    You could roll your own Linux box, but you don't want to be supporting it over the phone for a technophobe relative. It does make a nice top-up box though for the non-FreeSat channels and you can get 7 day EPG off the interwebs.


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    #2503
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    It does make a nice top-up box though for the non-FreeSat channels and you can get 7 day EPG off the interwebs.

    Crossepg pulls it from satellite and saves it locally, no need for an internet connection


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    #2504
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    A new tv won't make any difference as it will still just have the 1 terrestrial tuner. Most tvs seem to come with 1 terrestrial and 1 satellite tuner (often referred to as dual tuners).

    Even the Tiviar that the lads mention on here requires an extra usb tuner in order to watch rte 1 and record rte 2 at the one time.

    It is not a huge issue for me as you can always use the rte player to catch up and if saorview get their act together we might be able to stream live tv through the player and connected devices.

    You can see though why Sky works for many people. Watch any channel and record any other - no messing about.
    The downside of Sky is that the catchup is terrible and I presume you can't change the dns on the box to access uk players. You are then reliant on a smart tv with that ability.


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    #2505
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Crossepg pulls it from satellite and saves it locally, no need for an internet connection
    I've given up on CrossEpg and gone for EPG importer for Italian channels.


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    #2506
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    I'm pretty sure (but open to correction) that some Sony Android TV's (KDxxXF85xx for example) have 2 DTT and 2 DSat tuners.

    Not sure how good the recording is though as I've not personally tested it much.


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    #2507
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    A new tv won't make any difference as it will still just have the 1 terrestrial tuner. Most tvs seem to come with 1 terrestrial and 1 satellite tuner (often referred to as dual tuners).

    Even the Tiviar that the lads mention on here requires an extra usb tuner in order to watch rte 1 and record rte 2 at the one time.

    Oh dear ...... how inconvenient to have to spend maybe €10 and plug in a USB dongle to get the extra function you require!

    Can you get extra functions on a Sky box as easily and cheaply as this?
    It is not a huge issue for me as you can always use the rte player to catch up and if saorview get their act together we might be able to stream live tv through the player and connected devices.

    Certainly not an issue for me at all, as I can record all RTE channels at the same time if I wish, without ever using the TV tuner.
    You can see though why Sky works for many people. Watch any channel and record any other - no messing about.
    The downside of Sky is that the catchup is terrible and I presume you can't change the dns on the box to access uk players. You are then reliant on a smart tv with that ability.

    The downside of Sky is that they charge exorbitant amounts of money in subs for what are mostly Free to Air channels, with extra payments required for things like HD and multiroom/multi-device use which is the norm for some of us without subs to pay.

    Of course everyone in my household can watch or record different channels also.

    All these things can be done, and much more.

    Do not expect the likes of Sky or others to do them for you ...... they cater to the lowest common denominator, to sell as many subscriptions as possible with the least effort on their part.

    If you do not put in the effort to learn how and spend some time doing it then just accept what you are given and pay the man, and be satisfied with your lot.

    We each have that choice. ;)

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    #2508
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    I haven't seen anyone mention what recordings look like on the tiviar.
    Are programmes grouped according to programme title and can you pick up watching where you left a recording?

    Recording is a big issue with just using a tv (instead of a stb) as I presume the recordings are just thrown together (no series link). Are they recorded with their title or just the station name?


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    #2509
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    I haven't seen anyone mention what recordings look like on the tiviar.
    Are programmes grouped according to programme title and can you pick up watching where you left a recording?

    Recording is a big issue with just using a tv (instead of a stb) as I presume the recordings are just thrown together (no series link). Are they recorded with their title or just the station name?

    The recordings have series name, channel name, time and date in the title. There's an add-on can't remember the name that groups recordings of the same show in their own subfolder. You can also stop and resume where you left off when watching them in the media player, in fact I have 2 boxes networked (Tiviar and Edison running OpenATV) and can stop on one and resume on the other. Enigma recording is comparable to the best Freesat boxes


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    #2510
    lsjmhar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭lsjmhar


    Johnboy1951 wrote:
    If you do not put in the effort to learn how and spend some time doing it then just accept what you are given and pay the man, and be satisfied with your lot.

    Johnboy1951 wrote:
    Do not expect the likes of Sky or others to do them for you ...... they cater to the lowest common denominator, to sell as many subscriptions as possible with the least effort on their part.

    Johnboy1951 wrote:
    We each have that choice.


    How do you have this system? Are you using a server with tvheadend connected through the home network or so you have several boxes?


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    #2511
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    lsjmhar wrote: »
    How do you have this system? Are you using a server with tvheadend connected through the home network or so you have several boxes?

    Yes I use 'separates', just like I did with my sound system.
    There I had separate amplifier, tuner, two cassette decks, record deck, DVD deck and separate speakers.
    I never took to the 3-in-1 / all-in-1 combined units because the compromises on quality and functionality were too great.
    In addition if one device failed I did not have to replace the whole lot, just the one part of the system.

    I have now (eventually) taken the same approach to the TV system.
    It is distributed over the LAN, not coax, which was easier to fit, and useful for internet access as well as TV etc.

    I have
    DVB-S tuner box
    DVB-T tuner box
    tiny (4"x4";$40) tvheadend server box managing all aspects of the tuners
    tiny (4"x4";$40) client device at each TV
    NAS/File Server for storage of recorded material and other media

    I had previously used 'off the shelf' stbs, become annoyed with their limitations, built my own HTPC which IMO was also too limiting and bulky having everything centralised, so moved to this separates system.
    I am very glad I did.
    I can now simply replace any component of the system that might be required to do some extra grunt-work without starting out all over again.
    Example:- I might wish one TV to be 8K (future?), so then I will need a client box for that TV which is well capable of displaying this, while other TV clients can be undisturbed and not replaced.
    Also of course all media is available to all devices that can access the LAN, including (if I wish) remote devices accessing over the internet.

    Such a system is definitely not for everyone.
    It does require some initial commitment and learning to put together.

    It is up to the individual to decide whether the effort is worth the result.
    ;)


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    #2512
    Irreverent
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭Irreverent


    lsjmhar wrote: »
    Do these plugins work? The last time I had an enigma2 set-up none of the plugins worked. It was an Amino Alien 2 so maybe the hardware was powerful enough!

    I am considering an E2 set-up again but this time I will buy a future proofed box with high specs as the cheap boxes don't have the hardware specs to cope with multiple recording, particularly if you are recording a HD channel while watching a second HD channel.

    If you are considering going down this route you could do worse than looking at the Gigablue UHD UE quad. This is a very powerful box with 4 standard tuners (FCB modules so future proofed in that regard. The box has just been excellent so far running Openatv and its multiroom capability is excellent. I have a xiaomi mi android TV box with Dreamplayer installed and have all my living room channels available in a second room.

    The Gigablue is pricier than the Tiviar (which is also a good box) but to my mind when ditching sky was worth the extra euros. About 320 was the price on sale.


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    #2513
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,999 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Irreverent wrote: »
    If you are considering going down this route you could do worse than looking at the Gigablue UHD UE quad. This is a very powerful box with 4 standard tuners (FCB modules so future proofed in that regard. The box has just been excellent so far running Openatv and its multiroom capability is excellent. I have a xiaomi mi android TV box with Dreamplayer installed and have all my living room channels available in a second room.

    The Gigablue is pricier than the Tiviar (which is also a good box) but to my mind when ditching sky was worth the extra euros. About 320 was the price on sale.

    That box, with the addition of a dual DVB-T/2/C tuner and internal HDD would seem to cover all the bases for a large household.

    About £300 for the full spec would, to me, seem to be a good buy.

    https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/gigablue-uhd-ue-4k


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    #2514
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    That box, with the addition of a dual DVB-T/2/C tuner and internal HDD would seem to cover all the bases for a large household.

    About £300 for the full spec would, to me, seem to be a good buy.

    https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/gigablue-uhd-ue-4k

    Or is other words about a years sub for some Sky victims ;)


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    #2515
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    Or is other words about a years sub for some Sky victims ;)

    And about three months for others.


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    #2516
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    Or is other words about a years sub for some Sky victims ;)

    That will only get you a selection of mostly free channels :-)


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    #2517
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    That will only get you a selection of mostly free channels :-)

    Exactly my point


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    #2518
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    That will only get you a selection of mostly free channels :-)
    If you want Sports or the Latest movies you are going to be bled.

    Top up Free to Air with Netflix or similar, buy boxsets.


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    #2519
    lsjmhar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭lsjmhar


    Wow. It is hard to believe that this thread was started 5 years ago. From a simple idea has developed the technical behemoth that is now Saorview Connect. Lol!

    I can't wait to see what the next 5 years brings us!!! Saorview Disconnect maybe????


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    #2520
    gerrykeegan
    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭gerrykeegan


    A little bit of help here asked for. Was planning to get a saorview connect box for my Dad. He is 85 and his current saorview enabled TV needs constant retuning. It's 5 years old. I can set it up for him but will it need constant retuning? He has reasonable broadband 13mb. Will this be sufficient? Thanks in advance.


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    #2521
    Tony
    Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Saorview connect will be no different with regards to re tuning as it does not auto update . You mention "constant" though, how often are you taking about as frequency changes don't happen that often ?

    gerrykeegan wrote: »
    A little bit of help here asked for. Was planning to get a saorview connect box for my Dad. He is 85 and his current saorview enabled TV needs constant retuning. It's 5 years old. I can set it up for him but will it need constant retuning? He has reasonable broadband 13mb. Will this be sufficient? Thanks in advance.

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