Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 1:15pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You see that is your agenda your viewpoint.
I do not consider myself a Catholic but you are just refusing to see positive aspects of the religion.
Which in fairness to them are rarely highlighted it is much easier to stick with the narrative that they are backward etc etc.
It is more then a bit blinkered.

Not a bit blinkered.

You see marrying a second cousin as a positive example to society, I don't.
You see gay men being forced into heterosexual marriage as supporting family values, I don't.
You see girls being married off at 15 and 16 as being normal, I don't.

Those are the "positive" family values of Traveller culture. Well, excuse me if I don't agree.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 04-12-2018 1:15pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think you know exactly what I mean, the non-traveller community are more inclined to have 2.5 kids.

Two parents working to pay for someone else (a creche) to bring up thier kids.
Then mostly only get 'quality time' at weekends.
They are 'part-time parents' with full time jobs.
But that is the way society at large in Ireland has gone now and it is viewed as the norm.

Maybe respectable people wouldn’t have to be “part time parents” if they weren’t bursting themselves to pay for irresponsible self entitled scrotes, who pop out child after child they can’t look after? Maybe if the government made it worthwhile for people to work and support themselves, it would be easier for one parent to stay at home with the children but sadly that’s not how it is. Someone’s gotta pay for The Travellers new hiace

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 1:16pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Having 7/8/9+ kids you cannot afford and cannot look after is something NO ONE should aspire.
It isn't in the best interests of the children who are born into those situations and it isn't in the best interest of society, who have to pay for it.

Its actually extremely disappointing to see someone criticise and demean the average working person in this country, I'm sure the vast majority of them would prefer to work fewer hours and see more of their children but u

It is true ideally people should not have 7/8/9 kids if they cannot afford it.
But the majority of non-travellers try to juggle both parenting and working.
They then work thier @rses off for someone else to raise thier kids.
I find it a strange contradiction.
Ideally I think there should be full-time parenting rather then the pretense of parenting which has now become accepted
It has become the strange social norm.

If non-traveller parents have to get two jobs and pay for someone else to look after thier kids for thier formative years should they be really having them?
It is the worst of both worlds work your @rses off so someone else does the parenting for you?

But that is just my personal opinion I find it odd when you really think about it.
In contrast, the likes of Maragaret Cash sees herself as a mother first.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 1:20pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Those are the "positive" family values of Traveller culture. Well, excuse me if I don't agree.

Studies also find that between that 61% and 81% of married Traveller women report having experienced domestic violence at the hands of their spouse.

For Kay, the beatings came three weeks into her marriage. She and her partner, both from Irish Travelling families, met on the road as teenagers before becoming pen pals. It wasn't until they settled down on a caravan site in Yorkshire that he threw his first punch. "He'd just flip out, slapping me, kicking me," says Kay (not her real name). "He wanted me to jump when he said, to sit when I was told." Despite the violence in their relationship, the couple had three children together and Kay says she felt powerless to leave. "I just accepted it as normal. In my culture the woman is the heart of the family, the man is the head – what he says goes."

Ah, the old ways ... the old family values culture ... when the man was the head of the family and the woman was a punching bag.

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 1:22pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is true ideally people should not have 7/8/9 kids if they cannot afford it.
But the majority of non-travellers try to juggle both parenting and working.
They then work thier @rses off for someone else to raise thier kids.
I find it a strange contradiction.
Ideally I think there should be full-time parenting rather then the pretense of parenting which has now become accepted
It has become the strange social norm.

If non-traveller parents have to get two jobs and pay for someone else to look after thier kids for thier formative years should they be really having them?
It is the worst of both worlds work your @rses off so someone else does the parenting for you?

But that is just my personal opinion I find it odd when you really think about it.
In contrast, the likes of Maragaret Cash sees herself as a mother first.

This has to be a wind up.
Your comments are extremely insulting to any parent who has to put their child into childcare so they can work to put food on the table and a roof over their heads.

If there was full time parenting for all, who would pay your precious Margaret her 50k a year to be "a mother first"???

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 1:23pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

You are saying the Ms Cash is a better parent then working law abiding people ?

You’re off your head!

I am saying that she sees her primary role as a mother.
She is not a career obsessed women who decides to tick the boxes when she hits 30 then has 2.5 kids. Ticks the boxes and back to work, kids to childminder.
Cash sees her role as a full time mother first and foremost.
That used to be the way of society but those values are lost.

In a way as the taxpayer carries the can for the likes of Cash who does not have a working man to provide for her.
The childminders (mostly paid and lowly paid) carry the can for the working part-time parents.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 1:24pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is true ideally people should not have 7/8/9 kids if they cannot afford it.
But the majority of non-travellers try to juggle both parenting and working.
They then work thier @rses off for someone else to raise thier kids.
I find it a strange contradiction.
Ideally I think there should be full-time parenting rather then the pretense of parenting which has now become accepted
It has become the strange social norm.

If non-traveller parents have to get two jobs and pay for someone else to look after thier kids for thier formative years should they be really having them?
It is the worst of both worlds work your @rses off so someone else does the parenting for you?

But that is just my personal opinion I find it odd when you really think about it.
In contrast, the likes of Maragaret Cash sees herself as a mother first.

you should just give up

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:25pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am saying that she sees her primary role as a mother.
She is not a career obsessed women who decides to tick the boxes when she hits 30 then has 2.5 kids. Ticks the boxes and back to work, kids to childminder.
Cash sees her role as a full time mother first and foremost.
That used to be the way of society but those values are lost.

In a way as the taxpayer carries the can for the likes of Cash who does not have a working man to provide for her.
The childminders (mostly paid and lowly paid) carry the can for the working part-time parents.

yet despite having the luxury of being a full time mother paid for by the state they still seem to do a terrible job of it. Perhaps if they had less kids they might do a better job of being parents.

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 1:25pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is true ideally people should not have 7/8/9 kids if they cannot afford it.
But the majority of non-travellers try to juggle both parenting and working.
They then work thier @rses off for someone else to raise thier kids.
I find it a strange contradiction.
Ideally I think there should be full-time parenting rather then the pretense of parenting which has now become accepted
It has become the strange social norm.

If non-traveller parents have to get two jobs and pay for someone else to look after thier kids for thier formative years should they be really having them?
It is the worst of both worlds work your @rses off so someone else does the parenting for you?

But that is just my personal opinion I find it odd when you really think about it.
In contrast, the likes of Maragaret Cash sees herself as a mother first.

At heart you are an old-style paternalist. De Valera would be proud of you.

A woman's place is in the home, looking after the children, and keeping her husband happy.

Margaret Cash does not see herself as a mother first, she is unable to look past her own selfish interests.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:26pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am saying that she sees her primary role as a mother.
She is not a career obsessed women who decides to tick the boxes when she hits 30 then has 2.5 kids. Ticks the boxes and back to work, kids to childminder.
Cash sees her role as a full time mother first and foremost.
That used to be the way of society but those values are lost.

In a way as the taxpayer carries the can for the likes of Cash who does not have a working man to provide for her.
The childminders (mostly paid and lowly paid) carry the can for the working part-time parents.

ZOMG WTF.

she sees kids as a chance to get extra free money. She should keep her legs closed

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 04-12-2018 1:26pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

This has to be a wind up.
Your comments are extremely insulting to any parent who has to put their child into childcare so they can work to put food on the table and a roof over their heads.

If there was full time parenting for all, who would pay your precious Margaret her 50k a year to be "a mother first"???

Oh there would be two people working, but not having kids so they could support the likes of Mother of the year Margaret be a “mother first”. Cause that’s what he’s saying. Working women shouldn’t have kids.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 1:26pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am saying that she sees her primary role as a mother.
She is not a career obsessed women who decides to tick the boxes when she hits 30 then has 2.5 kids. Ticks the boxes and back to work, kids to childminder.
Cash sees her role as a full time mother first and foremost.
That used to be the way of society but those values are lost.

In a way as the taxpayer carries the can for the likes of Cash who does not have a working man to provide for her.
The childminders (mostly paid and lowly paid) carry the can for the working part-time parents.

it's clear that you have an axe to grind with these women getting all uppity and having the temerity to have jobs and such.. imagine them actually leaving the house

there can be no other reason for finding valor in the lifestyle of Ms Cash over those women working and rearing similarly minded children

they should be at home popping them out annually and running them all down to mass at the weekend... right?

KrustyUCC · 04-12-2018 1:26pm

F*****g c**t hope he never works another day in his life

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Kind funny coming from Margaret who has never worked a day in her life

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 1:27pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

This has to be a wind up.
Your comments are extremely insulting to any parent who has to put their child into childcare so they can work to put food on the table and a roof over their heads.

If there was full time parenting for all, who would pay your precious Margaret her 50k a year to be "a mother first"???

But the fact is those parents who put thier kids into childcare are 'part-time' / weekend 'quality time' parents.
Those working parents could also chose to live on welfare like Cash, but they want a nicer lifestyle so they do not.
Alternatively those working parents could chose not to have kids at all.

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 1:28pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am saying that she sees her primary role as a mother.
She is not a career obsessed women who decides to tick the boxes when she hits 30 then has 2.5 kids. Ticks the boxes and back to work, kids to childminder.
Cash sees her role as a full time mother first and foremost.
That used to be the way of society but those values are lost.

In a way as the taxpayer carries the can for the likes of Cash who does not have a working man to provide for her.
The childminders (mostly paid and lowly paid) carry the can for the working part-time parents.

Ah here, that is just so misleading a picture that it is nearly something to laugh at.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 04-12-2018 1:29pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But the fact is those parents who put thier kids into childcare are 'part-time' / weekend 'quality time' parents.
Those working parents could also chose to live on welfare like Cash, but they want a nicer lifestyle so they do not.
Alternatively those working parents could chose not to have kids at all.

When the work force fell, and people who didn’t suffer from sticky mattress syndrome found themselves out of a job in a deep recession, the dole was cut for “mother’s first”, the Christmas bonus was done away, rent allowance was done away with, free houses were no longer built, single mothers couldn’t claim lone parents until their kids grew beards, they were expected to work after the child turned 7. So when you say working parents could afford to do what cash does, you’re wrong.

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 1:30pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But the fact is those parents who put thier kids into childcare are 'part-time' / weekend 'quality time' parents.
Those working parents could also chose to live on welfare like Cash, but they want a nicer lifestyle so they do not.
Alternatively those working parents could chose not to have kids at all.

So your real axe to grind is with women who choose to or have to go back to work after having a baby.
And you feel the woeful, disgraceful job Margaret is doing of raising her brood is preferable to a woman leaving her child with a qualified professional while she earns money to pay her taxes and put food on the table.
Right.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:30pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But the fact is those parents who put thier kids into childcare are 'part-time' / weekend 'quality time' parents.
Those working parents could also chose to live on welfare like Cash, but they want a nicer lifestyle so they do not.

or perhaps they want to instill in their children the self-respect that comes from being able to support yourself without having to rely on the state.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Alternatively those working parents could chose not to have kids at all.

alternatively people like Cash could just to have no kids as they can't afford them. You seem happy for the most indigent in society to have as many kids as they want and the state to pay for them but put down those working people who only have the kids they can afford.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 1:32pm

lawred2 wrote: »

it's clear that you have an axe to grind with these women getting all uppity and having the temerity to have jobs and such..

there can be no other reason for finding valour in the lifestyle of Ms Cash over those women working and rearing similarly minded children

they should be at home popping them out annually and running them all down to mass at the weekend... right?

My point is they are trying to have the best of both worlds, but in reality someone else is doing the parenting.
It baffles me how it has become the social norm.
Look at what that parent is missing out on (it does not have to be mother by the way - it could be house husband).
A childminder gets to see the kid growing up instead of the parent.

You try telling a traveller that someone else is going to rare your kids and both (for the most part) because that is the way we do it in society...
Just because it is the way we do things now in modern Ireland?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 1:32pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am saying that she sees her primary role as a mother.

Most working parents I know would say the same thing. I've never heard a working woman say "I'm an accountant/doctor/teacher first and a mother second."

She is not a career obsessed women who decides to tick the boxes when she hits 30 then has 2.5 kids.

Anyone with a job now is "career-obsessed," it would seem.

Maybe she has delayed having children to age 30 because she was busy getting an education, attaining security in her career, and saving for a mortgage? Maybe she has 2-3 children because that's all she can afford to raise and educate? Instead of getting pregnant at 16, popping out seven kids and counting by 28, and demanding a free house from the state.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:34pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My point is they are trying to have the best of both worlds, but in reality someone else is doing the parenting.
It baffles me how it has become the social norm.
Look at what that parent is missing out on (it does not have to be mother by the way - it could be house husband).
A childminder gets to see the kid growing up instead of the parent.

You try telling a traveller that someone else is going to rare your kids and both (for the most part) because that is the way we do it in society...
Just because it is the way we do things now in modern Ireland?

i can only assume you are trolling at this stage. If you want to complain about women having to work to be able to afford kids you should not be holding up the likes of Cash as a positive counter example.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:34pm

Margaret Cash be poppin out dem kidz like my gurl Cardi B be poppin them hoes

KrustyUCC · 04-12-2018 1:35pm

Would love to see how well she gets on rareing her kids if society didn't entirely support her lifestyle

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 1:35pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Those working parents could also chose to live on welfare like Cash, but they want a nicer lifestyle so they do not.

Or they want to educate their children and give them a chance to achieve something with their lives.

We can't all teach our children to be thieves and scammers, somebody's children have to grow up to be the lawyers that defend them, the social workers to stop them starving their children, the Gardaí to stop them beating their wives to death, the prison officers to look after them "inside", the council workers to clean up after them, the builders to build their free houses, and the taxpayers to support them.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 1:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

alternatively people like Cash could just to have no kids as they can't afford them. You seem happy for the most indigent in society to have as many kids as they want and the state to pay for them but put down those working people who only have the kids they can afford.

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 1:36pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But the fact is those parents who put thier kids into childcare are 'part-time' / weekend 'quality time' parents.
Those working parents could also chose to live on welfare like Cash, but they want a nicer lifestyle so they do not.
Alternatively those working parents could chose not to have kids at all.

This is becoming absolutely disgusting.

Both my spouse and I have spend time working from home, or working in the home, or working part-time hours, but we have also both worked full-time as well with children in creches and child-minders. Decisions were always made to balance out the needs of the whole family, including our children, but also ourselves. We have secured a steady future for them, a happy, safe and warm upbringing, full of love and they are well-adjusted members of society. Margaret Cash will never be able to say that about her children, mostly because of the poor choices she has made in life or were forced upon her by the insidious pressures of traveller culture.

Neither of us as parents got ourselves evicted. Neither were either of us imprisoned or convicted of any crime. How any person who has been convicted over 30 times could be considered a good mother is disgusting. Every single time she committed a crime, she ran the serious risk of being imprisoned and her children being left alone.

How anyone can portray Margaret Cash as anything other than a bad example of parenting is beyond me.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:37pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

and is raising them to be exactly like her. Do you think she is doing a good job of raising them?

blanch152 · 04-12-2018 1:37pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

She is only around to see her kids growing up thanks to benevolent judges who could have jailed her on a number of occasions.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 1:37pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My point is they are trying to have the best of both worlds, but in reality someone else is doing the parenting.
It baffles me how it has become the social norm.
Look at what that parent is missing out on (it does not have to be mother by the way - it could be house husband).
A childminder gets to see the kid growing up instead of the parent.

You try telling a traveller that someone else is going to rare your kids and both (for the most part) because that is the way we do it in society...
Just because it is the way we do things now in modern Ireland?

Wasn't Margaret herself reared by someone else other than her parents?

KrustyUCC · 04-12-2018 1:39pm

Ah sure that's just "The large family unit looks after its own - through thick and thin"

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 04-12-2018 1:39pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

Didn’t the judge threaten her with prison if she didn’t keep her nose clean? So the next conviction is #40, and she’s only 28. So she has a good 60 years left to not rack up anymore convictions, given the fact she couldn’t even get to 30 without 39 convictions, I don’t have much hope.

So, in all likelihood the possibility of her doing her parenting from the dochas center is quite high. So I wouldn’t put too much money on her being around to see her kids grow up.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 1:39pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Wasn't Margaret herself reared by someone else other than her parents?

raised by her grandmother. So much for traveller values.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:40pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Wasn't Margaret herself reared by someone else other than her parents?

her mother is her sister and her father is her father's son

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 04-12-2018 1:40pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up.

For now, she is. Lets just hope she keeps getting suspended sentences from our lenient judges, or those kids might not be seeing their model Mammy for a while.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:41pm

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

For now, she is. Lets just hope she keeps getting suspended sentences from our lenient judges, or those kids might not be seeing their model Mammy for a while.

Gives her more time to make extra babies too. Good judge letting her off

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 1:43pm

cloudy90210 wrote: »

Gives her more time to make extra babies too. Good judge letting her off

Can't be putting away a good legal industry earner like Margaret - that's be killing the golden goose. Imagine the future earnings from her, her kids, their kids etc.

04-12-2018 1:44pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

Ah yeah, she’s such a great mummy that she puts those kids in the possible position of being taken into care because she keeps committing crimes.

And she’s really is the poster woman for stay at home mums. Having the dinner ready for a husband whose been hard at work all day assaulting elderly women.

You have seriously lost the plot! I hope this isn’t all a ploy to get this thread shut down.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:45pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Can't be putting away a good legal industry earner like Margaret - that's be killing the golden goose. Imagine the future earnings from her, her kids, their kids etc.

so many kidz, so many dollas.

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 1:45pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

You can be a "settled" woman and have a career and have children and be a good mother and give your children a happy, stable childhood too.

You seem to be obsessed with working mother = bad and non-working mother = good when that is completely wrong and not the case, as Margaret has proven.
She is a full time mother but is doing an absolutely appalling job at it.

You are also not so subtly saying that working women don't care about their children (bolded) but I won't take the bait.

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 1:48pm

retro:electro wrote: »

And do you think these “career obsessed women” are slaving away with 40+ hours a week under their belt for the fun of it? Most people work in order to provide stability for their future. It also sets a good example to their children

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:50pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

No, it's not sound

baldbear · 04-12-2018 1:51pm

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

givyjoe · 04-12-2018 1:51pm

baldbear wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

What the actual fcuk?

SusieBlue · 04-12-2018 1:52pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

And if you had your way, and everyone was a full time parent to stay at home with their kids, who would pay Margaret her 50k a year?

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:53pm

baldbear wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

No, why should it be closed?

Sweet.Science · 04-12-2018 1:54pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

The world has gone mad

04-12-2018 1:54pm

givyjoe wrote: »

What the actual fcuk?

She wrote on FB before that she doesn’t want to live anymore. But she then said all was good as was just having a moment.

cloudy90210 · 04-12-2018 1:55pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

She wrote on FB before that she doesn’t want to live anymore. But she then said all was good as was just having a moment.

Should have stopped havin so many babbies and not be able to house them properly

gormdubhgorm · 04-12-2018 1:55pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

You are also not so subtly saying that working women don't care about their children (bolded) but I won't take the bait.

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

Gwen Cooper · 04-12-2018 1:56pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My point is they are trying to have the best of both worlds, but in reality someone else is doing the parenting.
It baffles me how it has become the social norm.
Look at what that parent is missing out on (it does not have to be mother by the way - it could be house husband).
A childminder gets to see the kid growing up instead of the parent.

You try telling a traveller that someone else is going to rare your kids and both (for the most part) because that is the way we do it in society...
Just because it is the way we do things now in modern Ireland?

I spent more than 5 years working as a childminder. Full time. 9-5. I also know many other women who were working in childcare just like myself. Not a single one of us would ever say that we raised the kids or that the kid sees more of us than the parent. My job was to make sure that homework is done, kids get some food to keep them going through the day and that they are happy and safe. I was a friend to those kids, and I would never consider my role more important or more influential on the children than their parents.

All of the parents I worked with made sure to give the kids a call after school just to have a quick chat with them. As soon as they came home from work, they went out with them, for a walk, a cycle, or just sat down with them and watched their favourite tv show together. The parents raised their kids, saw them grow up, and did their absolute best to make sure that the kids are not missing out on anything.

To suggest that working parents are somehow worse for the children than someone who has been sponging off the state their entire life is absolutely ridiculous.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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