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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/homeless-mumofseven-margaret-cash-appears-in-court-over-stealing-300-worth-of-clothes-from-penneys-37434491.html

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gormdubhgorm

lawred2 wrote: »

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So you honestly do not find it odd that the full-time working parents/part-time parents in this country work thier @rses off for someone else to bring up thier kid/2.5 kids?

It is madness.
As I said the good aspects of the traveller culture could be learnt from.
But people chose to ignore them.

gormdubhgorm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Who pays for this choice?

The travellers do at the moment because they marry too young and do not get educated except on a basic level.
Society at large pays for it through taxes etc.

lawred2

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What I am saying is that they could have thier education then marry etc.
No problem with that.
It is the working and giving the kids away to childminders while they work baffles me.
They end up part-time parenting but full time working.
Then the childminding costs me they would be nearly better off not working in the first place.

Have the child stay at home bring it up then work.
Otherwise don't have the child because it will be more a childminders child, then a parents child.
Parent would have only being half there.

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gormdubhgorm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Why are you criticising women for finishing their education, getting married, and buying a house before they decide to have a child?

Are you saying it isn't a good thing for a child to be born to an educated woman with a good work ethic, parental stability and a secure home?
Why isn't that a good thing?

What I am saying is that they could have thier education then marry etc.
No problem with that.
It is the working and giving the kids away to childminders while they work baffles me.
They end up part-time parenting but full time working.
Then the childminding costs me they would be nearly better off not working in the first place.

Have the child stay at home bring it up then work.
Otherwise don't have the child because it will be more a childminders child, then a parents child.
Parent would have only being half there.

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good. But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

Who pays for this choice?

lawred2

SusieBlue wrote: »

Why are you criticising women for finishing their education, getting married, and buying a house before they decide to have a child?

Are you saying it isn't a good thing for a child to be born to an educated woman with a good work ethic, parental stability and a secure home?
Why isn't that a good thing?

Why is it better to be one of 7 children to a 26yr old single mother who didn't complete primary school, has no home, and a blasé regard for the law?

because she's not out making lads like gormwhatever feel inadequate probably

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community. Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well. But the main principle is sound. If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband. That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up. Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

I'm genuinely curious what exactly allows Miss Cash afford all the children she has given birth to? You yourself have acknowledged she does not work .

gormdubhgorm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

raising children to be criminals who live off the state is having it right?

So you are assuming all traveller kids are criminals?

SusieBlue

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

Why are you criticising women for finishing their education, getting married, and buying a house before they decide to have a child?

Are you saying it isn't a good thing for a child to be born to an educated woman with a good work ethic, parental stability and a secure home?
Why isn't that a good thing?

Why is it better to be one of 7 children to a 26yr old single mother who didn't complete primary school, has no home, and a blasé regard for the law?

Sweet.Science

Some top level trolling going on

[Deleted User]

Gormdubhgorm,

Not once have you mentioned the fathers duties in this perfect utopia.

Grace7,

I see you thanking posts. Care to offer us some words of wisdom today?

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

There you have it, folks. Marry your cousin at age 16 and start popping out babies. It's the natural way to do things.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely.

You're missing the point that if Travellers were better educated, they wouldn't be having so many kids. There's a clear negative correlation between the level of education available to women and the total fertility rate (TFR) in a population.

gormdubhgorm

baldbear wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

Bully?
She has completely brought the whole situation on herself -

1) She chose to have all those kids.

2) She chose to be with a guy who is jailed

3) She chose to make her Garda station stint into a stunt

4) She chose to refuse housing 3 bedroom

5) She chose to commit 39 convictions.

6) She chose to stand outside the dail ranting and raving.

If she chose to kill herself it will not be because of anything else but her choices.
Not because of you or me or anyone else.

KrustyUCC

Really think he just wants the thread shut down at this stage

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

God forbid a woman educate herself, or dare to build a decent life for herself and the children she can afford. Hussy!

ohnonotgmail

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

raising children to be criminals who live off the state is having it right?

Gwen Cooper

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My point is they are trying to have the best of both worlds, but in reality someone else is doing the parenting.
It baffles me how it has become the social norm.
Look at what that parent is missing out on (it does not have to be mother by the way - it could be house husband).
A childminder gets to see the kid growing up instead of the parent.

You try telling a traveller that someone else is going to rare your kids and both (for the most part) because that is the way we do it in society...
Just because it is the way we do things now in modern Ireland?

I spent more than 5 years working as a childminder. Full time. 9-5. I also know many other women who were working in childcare just like myself. Not a single one of us would ever say that we raised the kids or that the kid sees more of us than the parent. My job was to make sure that homework is done, kids get some food to keep them going through the day and that they are happy and safe. I was a friend to those kids, and I would never consider my role more important or more influential on the children than their parents.

All of the parents I worked with made sure to give the kids a call after school just to have a quick chat with them. As soon as they came home from work, they went out with them, for a walk, a cycle, or just sat down with them and watched their favourite tv show together. The parents raised their kids, saw them grow up, and did their absolute best to make sure that the kids are not missing out on anything.

To suggest that working parents are somehow worse for the children than someone who has been sponging off the state their entire life is absolutely ridiculous.

gormdubhgorm

SusieBlue wrote: »

You are also not so subtly saying that working women don't care about their children (bolded) but I won't take the bait.

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

cloudy90210

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

She wrote on FB before that she doesn’t want to live anymore. But she then said all was good as was just having a moment.

Should have stopped havin so many babbies and not be able to house them properly

[Deleted User]

givyjoe wrote: »

What the actual fcuk?

She wrote on FB before that she doesn’t want to live anymore. But she then said all was good as was just having a moment.

Sweet.Science

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

The world has gone mad

cloudy90210

baldbear wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

No, why should it be closed?

SusieBlue

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

And if you had your way, and everyone was a full time parent to stay at home with their kids, who would pay Margaret her 50k a year?

givyjoe

baldbear wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

What the actual fcuk?

baldbear

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

cloudy90210

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

No, it's not sound

gormdubhgorm

retro:electro wrote: »

And do you think these “career obsessed women” are slaving away with 40+ hours a week under their belt for the fun of it? Most people work in order to provide stability for their future. It also sets a good example to their children

My answer to this is simple those working parents chose to have children.
If they find it that difficult long commutes, long hours, barely seeing thier kids etc.
Why bother becoming a parent?
You are only fooling yourself in that scenario.
It is just part-time parenting, full time work.
Rinse and repeat then.
Surely the parenting has to suffer when it is not the main focus.

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community.
Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well.
But the main principle is sound.
If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband.
That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up.
Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

But society at large has made thier choices this is the norm for others to bring up kids for working part-time parents.
I still find it odd, but that is just my opinion.

SusieBlue

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

You can be a "settled" woman and have a career and have children and be a good mother and give your children a happy, stable childhood too.

You seem to be obsessed with working mother = bad and non-working mother = good when that is completely wrong and not the case, as Margaret has proven.
She is a full time mother but is doing an absolutely appalling job at it.

You are also not so subtly saying that working women don't care about their children (bolded) but I won't take the bait.

cloudy90210

Gravelly wrote: »

Can't be putting away a good legal industry earner like Margaret - that's be killing the golden goose. Imagine the future earnings from her, her kids, their kids etc.

so many kidz, so many dollas.

[Deleted User]

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is an alternative yes, but at least she is around to see her children growing up. That is clearly the things that are most precious to her.
She has made her choices that is the situation she is in.

By the way I am in no way saying that she is a nice individual by any means.
But she seems to love her kids and her role as mother.

Ah yeah, she’s such a great mummy that she puts those kids in the possible position of being taken into care because she keeps committing crimes.

And she’s really is the poster woman for stay at home mums. Having the dinner ready for a husband whose been hard at work all day assaulting elderly women.

You have seriously lost the plot! I hope this isn’t all a ploy to get this thread shut down.