Provided chargers at shops

zg3409 · 26-06-2020 9:26pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

7 new (I think) chargers on level 2 of Dundrum Town Centre. Had go in and out quickly so no idea of their power.

These are not new, been there more than a year, branded Renault, and they need a silly app to get going, for free, see plugshare app

unkel · 26-06-2020 9:49pm

7kW or 22kW? If the former I'll tell herself not to bother plugging in unless the parking is really convenient.

Sheep Shagger · 26-06-2020 9:56pm

zg3409 wrote: »

These are not new, been there more than a year, branded Renault, and they need a silly app to get going, for free, see plugshare app

Sorry I must be blind, had not noticed them before.

slave1 · 26-06-2020 11:14pm

unkel wrote: »

7kW or 22kW? If the former I'll tell herself not to bother plugging in unless the parking is really convenient.

7kW according to Zap-Map

unkel · 27-06-2020 2:04am

Not sure if Zap Map is reliable. They reported the Tesco Liffey Valley charge points as 22kW while they are only 7kW (so no use if you're doing an hours shopping)

JohnC. · 27-06-2020 6:47am

From the pictures on Plugshare, the Pod Points are actually labelled 7kW. There's also some Garo's and maybe 2 ESB units you normally see on a street at 22kW pictured, but I can't see anything in the pictures to show what they actually are.

ESBs app lists their units as 22kW.

slave1 · 27-06-2020 7:24am

unkel wrote: »

Not sure if Zap Map is reliable. They reported the Tesco Liffey Valley charge points as 22kW while they are only 7kW (so no use if you're doing an hours shopping)

They are tethered so it’s a simple plug in as you’re leaving your car, I know you find little use in low kW take on but there’s and element of comfort range take on also, plenty of folk out there who park so may as well take some lekky anyhow. If living in the area there should be a net gain in range from plugging in for your hour shop.

unkel · 27-06-2020 10:48am

slave1 wrote: »

They are tethered so it’s a simple plug in as you’re leaving your car, I know you find little use in low kW take on but there’s and element of comfort range take on also, plenty of folk out there who park so may as well take some lekky anyhow. If living in the area there should be a net gain in range from plugging in for your hour shop.

No they are not tethered! If only they were, that would make it a lot easier to go for a quick charge :-)

AndyBoBandy · 27-06-2020 11:02am

4 ecars spaces going in in the Pavilions in Swords......

slave1 · 27-06-2020 11:26am

unkel wrote: »

No they are not tethered! If only they were, that would make it a lot easier to go for a quick charge :-)

Haven't been there myself, just going on the PlugShare photos which show cables, perhaps they were user cables so I got it wrong

innrain · 27-06-2020 2:59pm

There are 3x2 pedestal pod-points and one wall unit. One socket is broken since before Christmas. They are up to 7kW and have a sort of load balancing. My car first starts charging at 2.2kW and then increases 1kW every 30 seconds or so. However, one day when it was busy didn't go faster than 3.2 kW

innrain · 27-06-2020 3:01pm

Forgot to say they are free vend whatever it says on them.

Sheep Shagger · 29-06-2020 9:44am

McDonalds in UK to install chargers, wonder if it will come here?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mcdonalds-electric-car-charging-points-uk-restaurants-fast-food-instavolt-a9590116.html

begbysback · 29-06-2020 9:47am

Excuse my ignorance, but is this like free electricity?

unkel · 29-06-2020 9:51am

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

McDonalds in UK to install chargers, wonder if it will come here?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mcdonalds-electric-car-charging-points-uk-restaurants-fast-food-instavolt-a9590116.html

Very fast food, ready in about 30s. Hope their chargers will deliver the same speed

From the article it looks like they will be DC fast chargers alright. Good call, McDonalds, nice one.

KCross · 29-06-2020 9:52am

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

McDonalds in UK to install chargers, wonder if it will come here?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mcdonalds-electric-car-charging-points-uk-restaurants-fast-food-instavolt-a9590116.html

Looks like they will be DC as well based on the numbers they gave.

ELM327 · 29-06-2020 10:10am

unkel wrote: »

Very fast food, ready in about 30s. Hope their chargers will deliver the same speed

From the article it looks like they will be DC fast chargers alright. Good call, McDonalds, nice one.

They have DC chargers in a lot of mcds in Scandinavia, perhaps thats expanding

liamog · 29-06-2020 11:02am

It's a deal to host DC chargers with Instavolt. Based on how they work in Scandinavia, it won't be free, but they are a good location for hosting rapid chargers.

ELM327 · 29-06-2020 11:12am

No issues with it not being free. Wouldnt expect free food, dont expect free electricity. Once it's reasonably priced (looking at you Ionity) there's no issues and it will be used.

I'd imagine the dwell time at a mcdonalds is 30-45 minutes. Perfect for a couple of 50kW dc chargers. If it's here, it will probably be easygo installing them

JohnC. · 29-06-2020 11:26am

Assuming minut is Swedish for minute, it appears to be equivalent of 24c per minute (at current exchange rate) in that ad.

ELM327 · 29-06-2020 11:29am

That's a great charge cost.
10 quid for a 40 min topup. If you have a car like mine that will pull 50kW gross, 45-47kW net for most of the curve, you could really get your money's worth there.

eagerv · 29-06-2020 11:29am

Yes, to be welcomed, often drop in for a coffee and a read of the paper to break a journey.
However apart from the few motorway services, most others seem to have limited parking, even the ones on outskirts with drive- throughs.

Silent Running · 29-06-2020 12:04pm

Instavolt in the UK are great. Last time I used them, the charge was £0.30/kWh. Not the fastest chargers in the world, the same ones Easygo use, but just plug in and swipe your debit/credit card.

innrain · 30-06-2020 8:49pm

unkel wrote: »

Very fast food, ready in about 30s. Hope their chargers will deliver the same speed

From the article it looks like they will be DC fast chargers alright. Good call, McDonalds, nice one.

Here is the ad from Sweden mcdrive https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/27/mcdonalds-wants-to-charge-your-electric-car/

a bigmac 52; a minute of charging 2.5 whatever the currency. 30 mins there you pay for bigmac 52 and for ev charge 75. I bet the margins for the BigMac are way smaller than for a charger and the electricity. And you step in the shop because you stop to charge or you charge because you stopped to eat it doesn't matter it just doubled the intake.

Gyms are another perfect example where the model works. What is ben dunne annual rate ? 300 ? 500? If one would spend a tenner per week for charging that's another 500 per year. What are the costs?

Decathlon on the continent has rapid DC chargers. Here they chose AC standard. I wonder why? Is it because we expect these to be free? Wouldn't make more sense that while you buy you cheap skiing gear you pay another fiver?

I hope it is a wake up call for businesses now that people learnt what exponential increase actually means. On Sunday I drove 13 km and counted 8 EVs on the way, from which 3 were Model 3. Providing chargers now might be a novelty but soon they will fight for our business. My average ecars bill is about 100/month. I would happily spend this in a supervalu/dunnes during shopping visits.

kanuseeme · 30-06-2020 10:09pm

innrain wrote: »

Here is the ad from Sweden mcdrive https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/27/mcdonalds-wants-to-charge-your-electric-car/

a bigmac 52; a minute of charging 2.5 whatever the currency. 30 mins there you pay for bigmac 52 and for ev charge 75. I bet the margins for the BigMac are way smaller than for a charger and the electricity. And you step in the shop because you stop to charge or you charge because you stopped to eat it doesn't matter it just doubled the intake.

Gyms are another perfect example where the model works. What is ben dunne annual rate ? 300 ? 500? If one would spend a tenner per week for charging that's another 500 per year. What are the costs?

Decathlon on the continent has rapid DC chargers. Here they chose AC standard. I wonder why? Is it because we expect these to be free? Wouldn't make more sense that while you buy you cheap skiing gear you pay another fiver?

I hope it is a wake up call for businesses now that people learnt what exponential increase actually means. On Sunday I drove 13 km and counted 8 EVs on the way, from which 3 were Model 3. Providing chargers now might be a novelty but soon they will fight for our business. My average ecars bill is about 100/month. I would happily spend this in a supervalu/dunnes during shopping visits.

How much time do you spend charging? What make of car do you drive?

innrain · 01-07-2020 7:36am

I'm driving a kona, charging about 5 times every 2 weeks. That is about 1h40min per week. I'm lucky enough that I can be as productive in the car as at the desk. (with home working even more productive in the car). The car just came back from its 30k service interval and so far no issues. Call me zealous but it is working. Anyway, returning to shop provided chargers. My messages is that they should see this as an opportunity but the expectation of free charging is hiding it.

ELM327 · 01-07-2020 9:49am

innrain wrote: »

Here is the ad from Sweden mcdrive https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/27/mcdonalds-wants-to-charge-your-electric-car/

a bigmac 52; a minute of charging 2.5 whatever the currency. 30 mins there you pay for bigmac 52 and for ev charge 75. I bet the margins for the BigMac are way smaller than for a charger and the electricity. And you step in the shop because you stop to charge or you charge because you stopped to eat it doesn't matter it just doubled the intake.

Gyms are another perfect example where the model works. What is ben dunne annual rate ? 300 ? 500? If one would spend a tenner per week for charging that's another 500 per year. What are the costs?

Decathlon on the continent has rapid DC chargers. Here they chose AC standard. I wonder why? Is it because we expect these to be free? Wouldn't make more sense that while you buy you cheap skiing gear you pay another fiver?

I hope it is a wake up call for businesses now that people learnt what exponential increase actually means. On Sunday I drove 13 km and counted 8 EVs on the way, from which 3 were Model 3. Providing chargers now might be a novelty but soon they will fight for our business. My average ecars bill is about 100/month. I would happily spend this in a supervalu/dunnes during shopping visits.

Jebus h christ.
That's insane, youd be better off in the petrol kona.

innrain · 01-07-2020 10:58am

My petrol bill used to be >400 a month but yeah you're right. Do I need to mention timing belt/clutch replacements over the years? I remember getting the topaz statement for one of the years and when I saw that I used over 2.5 tonnes of petrol in a year I felt numb. I do this commute since 2011 so you get the feel. Have you ever compounded like this? The same way my toll bill used to be at around 100 a month -> 1200 a year

unkel · 01-07-2020 11:04am

ELM327 wrote: »

Jebus h christ.
That's insane, youd be better off in the petrol kona.

Nah, he's charging 5 times in 2 weeks, let's presume that's about a 10-80% charge? So he does 5 times * 70% * 450km range * 26 times per year = about 40k km per year. For €100 per month in fuel

In my last ICE I did under 15k km per year and spent €50 per week on petrol, or 6 times as much as him per km

ELM327 · 01-07-2020 11:07am

innrain wrote: »

My petrol bill used to be >400 a month but yeah you're right. Do I need to mention timing belt/clutch replacements over the years? I remember getting the topaz statement for one of the years and when I saw that I used over 2.5 tonnes of petrol in a year I felt numb. I do this commute since 2011 so you get the feel. Have you ever compounded like this? The same way my toll bill used to be at around 100 a month -> 1200 a year

unkel wrote: »

Nah, he's charging 5 times in 2 weeks, let's presume that's about a 10-80% charge? So he does 5 times * 70% * 450km range * 26 times per year = about 40k km per year. For €100 per month in fuel

In my last ICE I did under 15k km per year and spent €50 per week on petrol, or 6 times as much as him per km

Your logic has a fatal flaw.
He has to be in the car charging, so that's a cost too. Unless you work for free.

innrain · 01-07-2020 11:16am

ELM327 wrote: »

Your logic has a fatal flaw.
He has to be in the car charging, so that's a cost too. Unless you work for free.

1h40m per week = €300 nice rate.

ELM327 · 01-07-2020 11:18am

innrain wrote: »

1h40m per week = €300 nice rate.

5 times in 2 weeks, 2.5 times a week.
2.5 times 1hr40 is about 4hours 15 mins.

liamog · 01-07-2020 12:17pm

ELM327 wrote: »

5 times in 2 weeks, 2.5 times a week.
2.5 times 1hr40 is about 4hours 15 mins.

He's said he's spending about 1:40 per week charging, and that he is able to do productive work whilst sat in the car.

ELM327 · 01-07-2020 12:41pm

I mean if he's happy to do that fair play to him. I can also work in the car or wherever but have no interest in spending hours domiciled to a charger, hoping it's available, working etc.

liamog · 01-07-2020 12:44pm

100 mins a week for €100, it's better than I get paid

ELM327 · 01-07-2020 12:45pm

Again, as I say, if it works for him fair play.
For me it would be too much stress hoping the local charger was available etc.

unkel · 01-07-2020 12:47pm

And even if you can't do productive work, it's nice to escape and have a bit of peace and quiet to yourself when you have a full house of people working / studying from home

ELM327 · 01-07-2020 12:49pm

unkel wrote: »

And even if you can't do productive work, it's nice to escape and have a bit of peace and quiet to yourself when you have a full house of people working / studying from home

I've been doing that myself actually recently. Heading out to top up the car! But it's an excuse to go and chill in my own headspace because of covid, and certainly not BAU

innrain · 01-07-2020 1:20pm

I have (almost) never queued. Even when they were free. I have learnt from the begining that ""ready in 5 mins" means 50 so i did my own statistics. Now with the charges it is even easier to predict the empty charger. And is not all about money. .The message is that it is working, it could be better but it is not impossible. Also the benefits outweigh the inconveniences

unkel · 01-07-2020 2:23pm

innrain wrote: »

And is not all about money.

Charging (at home) during the night is much more environmentally friendly than charging during the day at a public charger, even if the latter is still free (at AC speeds). So yes, it's not all about money. I try hook up my car at home when there is plenty of sunshine. The last few days I did this, I got about 10kWh per day into the car purely from solar PV.

Kramer · 01-07-2020 8:54pm

innrain wrote: »

My average ecars bill is about 100/month.

That's approximately 80kWh per week @ 29c/kWh.
At 15kWh/100km, that's approx. 27,500km per year. Less if you are a less efficient driver or use motorways alot.
From your toll usage, it seems like you are a motorway user so it's likely your annual mileage is less than 25k km.

I assume you have no home charging?

Each to their own & well wear anyway - not much love round here for the Kona

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innrain · 02-07-2020 10:24am

I don't love it either. I can't wait the day I'll get a normal (saloon) car. This crossover is meant to replace our second car in the family. Right now it replaces the first. Next day I get the charger installed I'll order a Model3. So far the struggle with the property management is 15 months long and we still count. In meantime I cash in the benefit of not burning 2.5+ tonnes of petrol per annum

AndyBoBandy · 02-07-2020 1:43pm

ESB ecars twin AC being installed today in Tesco, Rush.

innrain · 03-07-2020 7:31am

https://www.zap-map.com/newmotion-to-install-140-charge-points-at-new-aldi-stores/
Even if it is in the UK the article reiterates the trend I'm talking about. Healthy competition there
https://www.zap-map.com/supermarket-ev-charge-point-numbers-double-in-two-years/

ELM327 · 16-07-2020 11:49am

Post on Facebook from Darkin Electrical (can't seem to get the link to post) about a "dublin shopping centre off the m50) adding up to 100 AC and DC charging points.

liamog · 16-07-2020 11:53am

ELM327 wrote: »

Post on Facebook from Darkin Electrical (can't seem to get the link to post) about a "dublin shopping centre off the m50) adding up to 100 AC and DC charging points.

Seems like a big move. Looks like Swords Pavillions on their Facebook post.

Contracts are signed and we will starting the installation very soon of phase 1 installation of 20no. Eo genius car chargers in a popular shopping center just off the M50 making it the largest charging hub in ireland the customers aim is to increase to 100no AC units and 10no 50kw DC units all based on demand EO Charging

Black_Knight · 16-07-2020 11:54am

https://www.facebook.com/darkinev.ie/posts/567702367205739

That's the post there. People suggesting Swords

AndyBoBandy · 16-07-2020 12:07pm

This was Swords Pavilions back in June!

Sheep Shagger · 21-07-2020 10:47pm

Has anyone used the chargers at Kildare Village since you have to pre book a car space. Just did and its only saying I should park in carpark 'A'?

liamog · 21-07-2020 11:04pm

Was at Kildare Village at the weekend, the carpark with the chargers is still open access.

Provided chargers at shops

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