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    #152
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,222 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    liamog wrote: »
    Was at Kildare Village at the weekend, the carpark with the chargers is still open access.

    Thanks, did you pre book a spot and was it that where you had to park? Might just have to tell them we want an EV spot (subject to availability).


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    #153
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    wait, you have to prebook a space at kildare village?
    That's silly.


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    #154
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭innrain


    Car park A is right hand side.
    You just tell the parking attendant you want to charge. If there is an available space they let you take left.


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    #155
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,222 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    ELM327 wrote: »
    wait, you have to prebook a space at kildare village?
    That's silly.

    Yep and looking last night some slots are already fully booked tomorrow.


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    #156
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    Thanks, did you pre book a spot and was it that where you had to park? Might just have to tell them we want an EV spot (subject to availability).

    No, I didn't. They are letting people who drive up use the car park on the left. To be honest I didn't know they had a pre book system. I was there on Saturday afternoon, there were plenty of spaces in the open car park.


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    #157
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,676 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    does anyone know who operates the ev charging in the frascati shopping centre in blackrock?

    doesnt appear to be e-cars, not sure how you get a charge from it.


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    #158
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Cyrus wrote: »
    does anyone know who operates the ev charging in the frascati shopping centre in blackrock?

    doesnt appear to be e-cars, not sure how you get a charge from it.

    Last time I was in there it was just plug and charge


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    #159
    Cyrus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,676 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Last time I was in there it was just plug and charge

    didnt seem to work for me but who knows, it did say swipe card on the screen but perhaps it doesnt matter


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    #160
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Rathfarnham shopping centre (spotted on Facebook)

    Nice that it’s tethered too....

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    #161
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Looks like Decathlon aren’t handing out the fobs anymore, and the security guy just comes out and starts the charge for you.... so cheers to all the folks who took a fob and kept it...


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    #162
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,793 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    What's the story with the big announcement of ESB charge points at Tesco shops? One went in on the old Tesco shop in Lucan a few days ago.

    Once the free slow charging finishes in a few weeks time, will these charge point be chargeable or will they be free for Tesco customers? A bit like parking is free in Dundrum if you shop in Tesco? Or you get a discount on Tesco petrol stations if you have a recent Tesco shop receipt? If not, then what's the whole point of getting them at all these stores?


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    #163
    Laviski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Laviski


    unkel wrote: »
    What's the story with the big announcement of ESB charge points at Tesco shops? One went in on the old Tesco shop in Lucan a few days ago.

    Once the free slow charging finishes in a few weeks time, will these charge point be chargeable or will they be free for Tesco customers? A bit like parking is free in Dundrum if you shop in Tesco? Or you get a discount on Tesco petrol stations if you have a recent Tesco shop receipt? If not, then what's the whole point of getting them at all these stores?

    when we double the current EV numbers there isn't going to be enough charge points so more infra the better. Also would prefer if charge points had some cost, as i see the same reg plates parked all day in numerous spots.


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    #164
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    unkel wrote: »
    If not, then what's the whole point of getting them at all these stores?

    It's just greenwashing, we install a charger that isn't really useful for people spending a normal time in a supermarket and appear to be doing something for the environment.


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    #165
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Looks like Decathlon aren’t handing out the fobs anymore, and the security guy just comes out and starts the charge for you.... so cheers to all the folks who took a fob and kept it...

    Been like that since the first weekend. They made the mistake over the first week to hand out fobs.


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    #166
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    unkel wrote: »
    What's the story with the big announcement of ESB charge points at Tesco shops? One went in on the old Tesco shop in Lucan a few days ago.

    Once the free slow charging finishes in a few weeks time, will these charge point be chargeable or will they be free for Tesco customers? A bit like parking is free in Dundrum if you shop in Tesco? Or you get a discount on Tesco petrol stations if you have a recent Tesco shop receipt? If not, then what's the whole point of getting them at all these stores?


    I spoke to a guy working on the one in Tesco Rush the day after it was installed, and he told me it would be just regular eCars pricing from August 10th.
    So little to no incentive to actually use them.

    Incidentally the one in Rush now has a sign up and painted spaces so at least it looks the part.

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    #167
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Well if it's paid for like all other ecars SCPs, theres no benefit to it


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    #168
    Kramer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Kramer


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    it would be just regular eCars pricing from August 10th.
    So little to no incentive to actually use them.

    This has to be the most ridiculous idea yet, for ECars SCPs.
    The vast majority of cars can only charge at 7kW on these.
    Most larger Tescos are out of town/city centres, with little amenities nearby.
    Most people spend, at most I would guess, an hour shopping in a Tesco.

    So rock up for your shopping, drag out your own charging cable, quite likely in the pouring rain, scan RFID/app, connect up, reverse one hour later.

    To gain 7kWhs, or likely 30-40kms range, at a cost of €2.50, for €0.50 worth of electricity (home, night rate).
    They will be covered in moss & algae before too long :D.

    Who comes up with this stuff :confused:.


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    #169
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    liamog wrote: »
    It's just greenwashing, we install a charger that isn't really useful for people spending a normal time in a supermarket and appear to be doing something for the environment.

    Average time spent in a supermarket in the UK in 2013 was 47 minutes.
    Enough for 60km in an i3, and any other 11kW types.

    Seems pretty useful to me.

    (you specifically focused on time, not cost, so I'm not factoring cost in here)


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    #170
    Silent Running
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    Tesco in Wexford is supposed to get these installed, which would be great... if the car park didn't have a 2 hour maximum stay. :D


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    #171
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Average time spent in a supermarket in the UK in 2013 was 47 minutes.
    Enough for 60km in an i3, and any other 11kW types.

    An excellent example of just how useless these chargers are, who in their right mind needs to add 60km of range whilst doing their weekly shop. Assuming you've bought a car with around 300km of range (i.e. a modern EV), the 60km is only going to be useful on days where you need between 300km and 360km, I suspect for most people, they don't do that kind of mileage on days that they are also doing their weekly grocery shopping.


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    #172
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    If it were free it would be a good value add but I wont be paying for it.


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    #173
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    They're good for PHEV drivers, they can fill their battery, and have that warm fuzzy feeling knowing that they can make it back home without murdering any polar bears :D


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    #174
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,373 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    liamog wrote: »
    They're good for PHEV drivers, they can fill their battery, and have that warm fuzzy feeling knowing that they can make it back home without murdering any polar bears :D
    .... even though they are charging during the day which is using the dirtiest part of the grid!


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    #175
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    liamog wrote: »
    An excellent example of just how useless these chargers are, who in their right mind needs to add 60km of range whilst doing their weekly shop. Assuming you've bought a car with around 300km of range (i.e. a modern EV), the 60km is only going to be useful on days where you need between 300km and 360km, I suspect for most people, they don't do that kind of mileage on days that they are also doing their weekly grocery shopping.

    Useless for you! I'm truly amazed you can't understand that it may be useful for other people though.


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    #176
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Useless for you! I'm truly amazed you can't understand that it may be useful for other people though.

    Did you follow the example I gave? Modern EVs start at between 250km and 300km of range. Not many are going to use over 50% of their range on a trip to do their weekly grocery shopping. AC charging at supermarkets is a waste of resources. Either you charge at home and don't need it, or you can't charge at home and it's simply not fast enough.


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    #177
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Now if the likes of Tesco installed 50kWh DC chargers, and priced them at rates competitive to eCars.......


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    #178
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Now if the likes of Tesco installed 50kWh DC chargers, and priced them at rates competitive to eCars.......

    That's it AndyBoBandy, charging is something you can do whilst doing something else. Charging a 64kWh battery at a 50kW charger whilst spending that same 47 mins in the local supermarket is exactly the scenario Tesco should be enabling. The chargers eCars are installing for Tesco now, are more suited to shopping centers like Blanch or Dundrum, where the average stay is over 2 hours.


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    #179
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    liamog wrote: »
    Did you follow the example I gave? Modern EVs start at between 250km and 300km of range. Not many are going to use over 50% of their range on a trip to do their weekly grocery shopping. AC charging at supermarkets is a waste of resources. Either you charge at home and don't need it, or you can't charge at home and it's simply not fast enough.

    Your example doesn't matter! There are a multitude of different EVs out there, and this will be useful for someone. It's so weird to me how cliquey and insular some of you lads can be!


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    #180
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    Now if the likes of Tesco installed 50kWh DC chargers, and priced them at rates competitive to eCars.......

    Nah, if they just made the AC chargers free, like has been suggested, the value trade would be well worth it.


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    #181
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Your example doesn't matter! There are a multitude of different EVs out there, and this will be useful for someone. It's so weird to me how cliquey and insular some of you lads can be!

    Then expand on it, because I can't think of the use case where it makes sense and your not elaborating the one that you think does.

    I honestly can't think of a valid use case for charging an EV at 11kW for 45 mins whilst doing a grocery shop. It's the perfect balance of a location that you don't spend enough time at for AC charging to make sense, and a destination that you tend not to travel too far too.

    My charging manifesto is pretty straightforward. Fast Chargers (~50kW) at Supermarkets, Ultra Chargers (~150kW to 350kW) on motorways and interurbans, and AC chargers at major shopping centers with entertainment and dining facilities, a pretty straightforward process of aligning charging times with visit times, or doing it quickly because you are in the middle of a journey.


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