Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

Felexicon · 29-06-2020 8:01pm

AlternateID wrote: »

Evening,

I'm looking to install a charge point at our home and maybe it's just me but the quotes are extreme to say the least. €1500 ex vat for one and €1400 incl. vat the other so far. 10m of cable and a small fuse board plus the unit itself. Unteathered. Anyone have quoted similar prices?

Thanks.

Would need more info about the install to be honest. Have you asked for split quotes to see how much they are charging for labour?

KCross · 29-06-2020 9:21pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was going to mount it beside the back door of the garage and leave the cable inside until I need it. Leave the car cable in the car. I don't think it's going to be a problem.

How many times a week do you expect you will be charging the car at home? That will decide whether its going to be a problem or not.

Sheep Shagger · 29-06-2020 9:25pm

AlternateID wrote: »

Evening,

I'm looking to install a charge point at our home and maybe it's just me but the quotes are extreme to say the least. €1500 ex vat for one and €1400 incl. vat the other so far. 10m of cable and a small fuse board plus the unit itself. Unteathered. Anyone have quoted similar prices?

Thanks.

Yep had quotes around that level....nuts

Went with Electric Ireland, untethered for €1099 incl VAT. No brainer.

Cyrus · 30-06-2020 8:37pm

So for 1099 incl vat electric Ireland are installed this which costs 1176 without installation

https://midsummer.ie/buy/eo/eominismarthome

In fairness that’s a good deal , the home hub is pretty big btw fine for me as it’s in a press beside the fuse board but you wouldn’t want it anywhere you can see it.

graememk · 30-06-2020 9:25pm

Cyrus wrote: »

So for 1099 incl vat electric Ireland are installed this which costs 1176 without installation

https://midsummer.ie/buy/eo/eominismarthome

In fairness that’s a good deal , the home hub is pretty big btw fine for me as it’s in a press beside the fuse board but you wouldn’t want it anywhere you can see it.

Aren't they installing the standard non smart one

500 odd euro for the charge point https://midsummer.ie/buy/eo/eo-mini

Cyrus · 30-06-2020 9:27pm

graememk wrote: »

Aren't they installing the standard non smart one

500 odd euro for the charge point https://midsummer.ie/buy/eo/eo-mini

Nope it’s the one I linked had it done today

Cyrus · 30-06-2020 9:28pm

graememk wrote: »

Aren't they installing the standard non smart one

500 odd euro for the charge point https://midsummer.ie/buy/eo/eo-mini

And the prices are ex vat on that website

graememk · 30-06-2020 10:42pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Nope it’s the one I linked had it done today

Ohh interesting!! My bad, that's a good deal

What's the difference between that and the pro one or is it a pro one with a bit more integration?

Cyrus · 30-06-2020 10:51pm

graememk wrote: »

Ohh interesting!! My bad, that's a good deal

What's the difference between that and the pro one or is it a pro one with a bit more integration?

Not that sure to be honest there’s an app where you can schedule charging , integrate with solar etc also the box does load balancing etc

graememk · 30-06-2020 10:58pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Not that sure to be honest there’s an app where you can schedule charging , integrate with solar etc also the box does load balancing etc

That gets around the need for priority switches etc suppose there is a CT clamp for monitoring house useage?

C@t · 01-07-2020 11:56am

graememk wrote: »

Aren't they installing the standard non smart one

500 odd euro for the charge point https://midsummer.ie/buy/eo/eo-mini

They’re doing both, I just ordered today. There’s a 3-4 week wait on the smart one but the non-smart EO Mini is available without a wait. I think the EO Mini is €899.

MJohnston · 01-07-2020 12:18pm

EO have 4 different models:

- EO Mini. This is the best one for most EV owners. It's their cheapest model, and it does the basics whilst being very cleanly designed. Install it with an EO ALM (active load management) if you have an electric shower.
- EO Mini Pro. Buy this if you want to be able to control your charging from your smartphone AND your car doesn't already include that functionality (most do, which is why I think the EO Mini is best for most EV owners). You'll still need to install with an EO ALM if you have an electric shower. This model will generally cost a few hundred euro more than the EO Mini.
- EO Smart Home. This is actually just a bundle package. It includes the regular EO Mini and an EO Home Hub (which is a separate device that is installed separately). The EO Home Hub allows for smartphone control, solar integration, and includes built-in load-balancing for those with electric showers. IMO this one is only necessary if you have or plan to have solar panels. This model will generally cost a few hundred more than the EO Mini Pro.
- EO Basic. This one is basically for nobody here. It has the same level of functionality as the EO Mini, but it's packaged in an uglier shell. The reason this model exists is because it supports 11kW and 22kW charging, but I presume that requires a specific supply that homes generally can't provide? This model should cost the same as the EO Smart Home.

Now the question is which of these are Electric Ireland offering?

Cyrus · 01-07-2020 12:26pm

MJohnston wrote: »

EO have 4 different models:

- EO Mini. This is the best one for most EV owners. It's their cheapest model, and it does the basics whilst being very cleanly designed. Install it with an EO ALM (active load management) if you have an electric shower.
- EO Mini Pro. Buy this if you want to be able to control your charging from your smartphone AND your car doesn't already include that functionality (most do, which is why I think the EO Mini is best for most EV owners). You'll still need to install with an EO ALM if you have an electric shower. This model will generally cost a few hundred euro more than the EO Mini.
- EO Smart Home. This is actually just a bundle package. It includes the regular EO Mini and an EO Home Hub (which is a separate device that is installed separately). The EO Home Hub allows for smartphone control, solar integration, and includes built-in load-balancing for those with electric showers. IMO this one is only necessary if you have or plan to have solar panels. This model will generally cost a few hundred more than the EO Mini Pro.
- EO Basic. This one is basically for nobody here. It has the same level of functionality as the EO Mini, but it's packaged in an uglier shell. The reason this model exists is because it supports 11kW and 22kW charging, but I presume that requires a specific supply that homes generally can't provide? This model should cost the same as the EO Smart Home.

Now the question is which of these are Electric Ireland offering?

pretty sure this is what i got

https://www.eocharging.com/eo-mini-smart-home

and because if the hub you can control the charge times, integrate with solar etc

C@t · 01-07-2020 2:38pm

MJohnston wrote: »

EO have 4 different models:

- EO Mini. This is the best one for most EV owners. It's their cheapest model, and it does the basics whilst being very cleanly designed. Install it with an EO ALM (active load management) if you have an electric shower.
- EO Mini Pro. Buy this if you want to be able to control your charging from your smartphone AND your car doesn't already include that functionality (most do, which is why I think the EO Mini is best for most EV owners). You'll still need to install with an EO ALM if you have an electric shower. This model will generally cost a few hundred euro more than the EO Mini.
- EO Smart Home. This is actually just a bundle package. It includes the regular EO Mini and an EO Home Hub (which is a separate device that is installed separately). The EO Home Hub allows for smartphone control, solar integration, and includes built-in load-balancing for those with electric showers. IMO this one is only necessary if you have or plan to have solar panels. This model will generally cost a few hundred more than the EO Mini Pro.
- EO Basic. This one is basically for nobody here. It has the same level of functionality as the EO Mini, but it's packaged in an uglier shell. The reason this model exists is because it supports 11kW and 22kW charging, but I presume that requires a specific supply that homes generally can't provide? This model should cost the same as the EO Smart Home.

Now the question is which of these are Electric Ireland offering?

EO say that you cannot use the ALM with the EO Mini Pro.
Electric Ireland say they install the EO Mini, or the EO Mini Pro, both with load management using a separate unit. I think (hope!) Cyrus is correct and they actually install the EO Mini Smart Home, not the Mini Pro.

Cyrus · 01-07-2020 2:40pm

C@t wrote: »

EO say that you cannot use the ALM with the EO Mini Pro.
Electric Ireland say they install the EO Mini, or the EO Mini Pro, both with load management using a separate unit. I think (hope!) Cyrus is correct and they actually install the EO Mini Smart Home, not the Mini Pro.

thats deffo what i got and i didnt ask for anything out of the ordinary, makes sense as most people will need load mgt for one reason or another.

bootser · 01-07-2020 3:42pm

Well, I looked at the price of the mini pro plus the ALM unit and it's the same as the EOsmart so it probably makes better sense to supply the smart unit. I ordered a mini pro and it def looks like I got the smart unit, EO outside and hub mounted beside the fuseboard(by the way yes there is a CT installed in the fuseboard). The app is the EO app, not the juice box one so that also indicates it's the EOsmart.

Sheep Shagger · 01-07-2020 4:27pm

Am confused.....I've an install with Electric Ireland 14/7 and they told me and in the email it says we are getting the EO Mini Pro with load balancing.

A post above suggests they are not supplying the Pro, just the basic version?

Sounds like we get the same functionality as a pro wirh load balancing just set up differently and that they need to update their sales material (bizzare its not on the website and you have to email for it).

Cyrus · 01-07-2020 4:57pm

bootser wrote: »

Well, I looked at the price of the mini pro plus the ALM unit and it's the same as the EOsmart so it probably makes better sense to supply the smart unit. I ordered a mini pro and it def looks like I got the smart unit, EO outside and hub mounted beside the fuseboard(by the way yes there is a CT installed in the fuseboard). The app is the EO app, not the juice box one so that also indicates it's the EOsmart.

Yes very same for me . So that’s what they mean when they say eo pro

CathalDublin · 01-07-2020 5:16pm

Do Electric Ireland do a tethered model?
Or only the EO mini untethered?

rx8 · 01-07-2020 5:22pm

There seems to be a problem now for ID3 Pre-bookers.
If you need to get a home charger installed the SEAI site does not have the ID3 listed. So until VW Ireland get the car onto the SEAI website, you cannot apply for the grant or get the charger installed.

C@t · 01-07-2020 6:34pm

CathalDublin wrote: »

Do Electric Ireland do a tethered model?
Or only the EO mini untethered?

They offer both tethered and untethered for the “smart”/pro version. €100 extra for tethered

CathalDublin · 01-07-2020 6:53pm

C@t wrote: »

They offer both tethered and untethered for the “smart”/pro version. €100 extra for tethered

Excellent, I’m waiting on them to call me back, getting crazy quotes and was considering going the route of just buying a zappi and getting a sparks to install but this seems like an easier(less leg work) option

Sheep Shagger · 02-07-2020 8:26am

CathalDublin wrote: »

Excellent, I’m waiting on them to call me back, getting crazy quotes and was considering going the route of just buying a zappi and getting a sparks to install but this seems like an easier(less leg work) option

They seem very busy so chase them if they do not get back to you.

Cyrus · 02-07-2020 10:42am

This is my install for anyone interested, KN OBO Electric Ireland, EO Smart home.

Smart hub beside the fuse board (and underneath the alarm gubbins)

View from the front of the house

Where the point is installed

and where they came out, this could do with a tidy up, any suggestions, i had hoped for it to be a little lower but that was as low as he could get.

02-07-2020 10:46am

one of these would clean it up.
https://www.electricalworld.com/en/ie/Zexum-Outdoor-Cable-Wall-Entry-Plate---Black/s-3218-6826.aspx?PartnerID=73&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=Ireland&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4qm_k6Su6gIVQeztCh1jWgs2EAQYAiABEgL2U_D_BwE

I dont know if that one i linked to is the right size by the way.
Stick it on with sticks all,tec7 etc

Tidy job otherwise,
You could spray paint that isolator black too.

02-07-2020 10:48am

rx8 wrote: »

There seems to be a problem now for ID3 Pre-bookers.
If you need to get a home charger installed the SEAI site does not have the ID3 listed. So until VW Ireland get the car onto the SEAI website, you cannot apply for the grant or get the charger installed.

I cant imagine that the model matters.
I'd stick down anything.

Cyrus · 02-07-2020 11:03am

BrownFinger wrote: »

one of these would clean it up.
https://www.electricalworld.com/en/ie/Zexum-Outdoor-Cable-Wall-Entry-Plate---Black/s-3218-6826.aspx?PartnerID=73&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=Ireland&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4qm_k6Su6gIVQeztCh1jWgs2EAQYAiABEgL2U_D_BwE

I dont know if that one i linked to is the right size by the way.
Stick it on with sticks all,tec7 etc

Tidy job otherwise,
You could spray paint that isolator black too.

thanks, yes was thinking of one of them.

and had the same thought on the isolator but i agree, a very tidy job.

KCross · 02-07-2020 11:06am

Cyrus wrote: »

This is my install for anyone interested, KN OBO Electric Ireland, EO Smart home.

Smart hub beside the fuse board (and underneath the alarm gubbins)

Neat.

That hub thing is bigger than the chargepoint. What have they got inside that that it needs to be so big?

And those isolators are an eyesore. If it could be a different colour it wouldn’t be too bad. I wonder do they have to be the red/yellow ones. Could it be any form of an isolator switch? Something more discreet would be better.

Good work though.

Cyrus · 02-07-2020 11:14am

KCross wrote: »

Neat.

That hub thing is bigger than the chargepoint. What have they got inside that that it needs to be so big?

And those isolators are an eyesore. If it could be a different colour it wouldn’t be too bad. I wonder do they have to be the red/yellow ones. Could it be any form of an isolator switch? Something more discreet would be better.

Good work though.

id imagine kn are constrained as to that they can use but youd have thought something a little more discrete could do the same job, i might take a spray can to it at some stage.

yeah the hub is big, not really an issue for me given that its in a press, but the guy was saying a few people werent happy as it was out in the open and so big.

McHonda · 02-07-2020 1:13pm

Cyrus wrote: »

id imagine kn are constrained as to that they can use but youd have thought something a little more discrete could do the same job, i might take a spray can to it at some stage.

yeah the hub is big, not really an issue for me given that its in a press, but the guy was saying a few people werent happy as it was out in the open and so big.

That's not a bad job at all, where is your fuseboard in relation to the charger? Mine is in the centre of the house and the straightest route would be through the kitchen/living room but I don't want conduit through the house if possible. Is it neat inside?

Cyrus · 02-07-2020 1:27pm

McHonda wrote: »

That's not a bad job at all, where is your fuseboard in relation to the charger? Mine is in the centre of the house and the straightest route would be through the kitchen/living room but I don't want conduit through the house if possible. Is it neat inside?

my fuseboard is on the opposite side of the room that backs onto that gable wall, i was able to get them to run the cable underneath utility room units and in behind the washing machine and out the wall behind so very neat inside but obviously depends on your set up.

i had to pay 125 extra as i needed armoured cable and more labour.

McHonda · 02-07-2020 1:31pm

Cyrus wrote: »

my fuseboard is on the opposite side of the room that backs onto that gable wall, i was able to get them to run the cable underneath utility room units and in behind the washing machine and out the wall behind so very neat inside but obviously depends on your set up.

i had to pay 125 extra as i needed armoured cable and more labour.

Thanks, did they do a survey or anything beforehand to work out the extra cost? I will probably do something similar but will need around 20m of cable

Cyrus · 02-07-2020 2:48pm

McHonda wrote: »

Thanks, did they do a survey or anything beforehand to work out the extra cost? I will probably do something similar but will need around 20m of cable

They don’t do surveys but when they came and I told them what I needed he said it would need to be priced and they would come back to me

So maybe specify with ei first might save you some time

CathalDublin · 02-07-2020 3:28pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

They seem very busy so chase them if they do not get back to you.

I filled out their contact me back chat bot thing about 3 times now and no reply, after about 3 calls to various numbers, I got this number
1850372333
Spoke which a guy who wanted to fob me off with an email but eventually took my details and now I'm on hold 20minutes

Update:
Eventually spoke with someone in KN who said they can't take bookings at the moment as there is an issue with EV Chargers which she doesnt know what it is but they will call me back when they can take the booking

Aparently 3-4 days install time, but could be a couple of weeks before they can take the booking, she couldn't tell me exactly

Maybe go for a wallbox pulsar+ but it’s €1295 installed, but company can do next week
Bit steep

Heroditas · 02-07-2020 4:44pm

CathalDublin wrote: »

I filled out their contact me back chat bot thing about 3 times now and no reply, after about 3 calls to various numbers, I got this number
1850372333
Spoke which a guy who wanted to fob me off with an email but eventually took my details and now I'm on hold 20minutes

Update:
Eventually spoke with someone in KN who said they can't take bookings at the moment as there is an issue with EV Chargers which she doesnt know what it is but they will call me back when they can take the booking

Aparently 3-4 days install time, but could be a couple of weeks before they can take the booking, she couldn't tell me exactly

Maybe go for a wallbox pulsar+ but it’s €1295 installed, but company can do next week
Bit steep

Is there an issue with the EO chargers?

CathalDublin · 02-07-2020 5:02pm

Heroditas wrote: »

Is there an issue with the EO chargers?

She couldn't confirm what the issue was(Maybe only logistical), she just said there was an issue with their EV Chargers and none were even being scheduled to be installed for a few weeks although they could take my money and call me when they were taking bookings again, whenever that might be.

wallbox quote I have was from a different company

Alun · 02-07-2020 5:08pm

I had my EO Mini installed by ecarinfra, and was very pleased with them, and they came and did a survey first. A bit silly not to really IMO, they never know what they might find on the day of the installation that wasn't mentioned at the time of ordering, so just saves time and hassle all round.

Sheep Shagger · 02-07-2020 6:54pm

CathalDublin wrote: »

She couldn't confirm what the issue was(Maybe only logistical), she just said there was an issue with their EV Chargers and none were even being scheduled to be installed for a few weeks although they could take my money and call me when they were taking bookings again, whenever that might be.

wallbox quote I have was from a different company

FFS, I booked about 2 weeks ago and earliest install date I could get is 14/7. They took payment that same day.

Anyone asked for a specific colour box? I asked for white as that's what the side of the house is....

Cyrus · 02-07-2020 6:58pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

FFS, I booked about 2 weeks ago and earliest install date I could get is 14/7. They took payment that same day.

Anyone asked for a specific colour box? I asked for white as that's what the side of the house is....

Told the kn lad I wanted black

Sheep Shagger · 02-07-2020 7:51pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Told the kn lad I wanted black

Do you know if he had both black and white in the van like I say I ordered it but who knows whether that makes it to KN.

CathalDublin · 02-07-2020 8:24pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

FFS, I booked about 2 weeks ago and earliest install date I could get is 14/7. They took payment that same day.

Anyone asked for a specific colour box? I asked for white as that's what the side of the house is....

Hopefully there is no delay for existing bookings

Cyrus · 02-07-2020 9:03pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Do you know if he had both black and white in the van like I say I ordered it but who knows whether that makes it to KN.

Well he called when he was en route and I said do you have a black charger point and he had to check so it seemed like I was just lucky

unattendedbag · 02-07-2020 9:03pm

Looks like EI and KN have bit off more than they can chew. I booked and paid last Friday and was told to expect phonecall at start of week for installation date. I might cancel and arrange it myself.

DrPhilG · 02-07-2020 9:37pm

Rather than read back over 48 pages, someone give me the lowdown please.

Bought my second hand i3 REx in 2018. Working on a solar installation and they're going to install a Zappi as part of the deal.

I understand that I need to apply for both the charger grant and the solar grant in advance, before work commences.

What is the craic with approval on the charger grant? Is it an automatic thing based on the VIN matching up or do I have to wait for someone to approve it?

CathalDublin · 03-07-2020 12:53am

DrPhilG wrote: »

What is the craic with approval on the charger grant? Is it an automatic thing based on the VIN matching up or do I have to wait for someone to approve it?

Fill out this online form, the approval letter will arrive in a couple days
https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

tk123 · 05-07-2020 5:22pm

Is there a minimum height that they can put the charger now? I live in a terraced house and was hoping to put the charger under a windowsill but photos I’ve seen have them a bit higher.

Cyrus · 05-07-2020 6:21pm

tk123 wrote: »

Is there a minimum height that they can put the charger now? I live in a terraced house and was hoping to put the charger under a windowsill but photos I’ve seen have them a bit higher.

Yes I believe it’s 1.5m

Felexicon · 05-07-2020 8:23pm

tk123 wrote: »

Is there a minimum height that they can put the charger now? I live in a terraced house and was hoping to put the charger under a windowsill but photos I’ve seen have them a bit higher.

No. Once it's high enough that it wont be effected by flooding etc.

Certain installers might work to different rules but under a windowsill would be fine

DrPhilG · 05-07-2020 9:52pm

CathalDublin wrote: »

Fill out this online form, the approval letter will arrive in a couple days
https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

Filled it out on Saturday. Fingers crossed.

Solar approval came through immediately, once the charger grant is approved its full steam ahead.

Valentina516 · 05-07-2020 10:44pm

Hi I'm considering whether to get the EVbox Elvi installed versus the Wallbox Pulsar plus.. Any opinions on either?

Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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