Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

barney shamrock · 21-06-2019 11:03am

The gentleman should have waited for the lady to fling the acid in the gentleman's face or consommÃ© before reacting.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:03am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Now you’re taking the piss. Don’t underestimate the female of the species. We’re pretty good at protecting ourselves if need be.

I am not being rude. I don't want this situation to get heated.

But you know that isn't true.

Men are just stronger and built differently. Women even injure more easily.

And this video certainly speaks to what i have just said above.

And I am female.

Jamie2k9 · 21-06-2019 11:04am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Be real. Of it does with the qualifier ..to SOME extent. Women are physically more delicate than men.

I don't expect you to allow a woman kill you but i expect a little more stoicism than that!

It's was an insistent reaction and none of us could say how we react. Personally I would hope and intend to react in a less aggressive manor however I cannot blame him for what he did.

She went in to cause a scene and would have refused to leave whatever way you look at it so was removed. She and other will be delighted with the reaction the protest got.

He should not lose his job for this.

Hurrache · 21-06-2019 11:04am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Fantasizing is the correct word. Misogyny.

Both are acceptable.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:04am

barney shamrock wrote: »

The gentleman should have waited for the lady to fling the acid in the gentleman's face or consommé before reacting.

She had acid?

21-06-2019 11:05am

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Delusional and the word 'IF' are different things. However when you use IF to go off the deep end i think i need to jump in and save you.

Sorry. That makes no sense

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Weirdo.

Again apologies, I assumed you were making a joke when you linked to the sexist "man up" stuff.

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

I am not egalitarian nor am I a feminist.

You don't believe or supports the principle of equality for all people.

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

I'm you know NORMAL.

Debatable.

Boxing.Fan · 21-06-2019 11:05am

Equal rights and lefts.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:05am

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

A threats a threat its not a woman or a man it doesn't have a gender.
The beginning of the threat started when it trespassed. Case closed. Good morning folks!!

She is an IT now?

jimgoose · 21-06-2019 11:06am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

How do you know he wouldn’t have it it were a man?

There’s an alarm going off in that video. She has something in her hand and a bag on her arm. He reacted in a split second to a situation and he DID NOT assault her!

Honestly, if something serious had happened you’d all be giving out about why no one stopped her.

She's holding a bunch of leaflets of some sort and a small ladies bag by the strap in the same hand, she looks as awkward as two left feet and I'd say if she tried to throw anything she'd probably hurt herself first. :pac:

seamus · 21-06-2019 11:06am

"What if she had a knife?"

She didn't FFS. What if she was carrying acid in her tits to spray on someone? What if, what if, what if.

If she was armed, he wouldn't have tried to stop her. This is some pompous prick, irritated that his pompous event is being interrupted by some pesky crusty types, thinking that he has the right to throw them out for being so rude.

A cut and dried demonstration of what privileged people do because they think they're entitled to.

As an assault, it's pretty low down there, he didn't exactly wrestle her. But that doesn't make it OK.

Tails142 · 21-06-2019 11:07am

Watched the video, thought it looked ok. Nothing a bouncer wouldn't do on a typical Saturday night. Barge into a room with sirens blaring what do they expect?

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:07am

He is pulling out of all his interviews now!

Junkyard Tom · 21-06-2019 11:07am

I'd like to think that, had I been there, I'd have the gumption to stand up and grab that fucker by the neck and say 'take your hands off her you bully'.

Bigmac1euro · 21-06-2019 11:07am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

She is an IT now?

No she was a threat.

21-06-2019 11:07am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Omg only men go out mass shooting people please. Women are usually non violent.

We are the care givers etc. You guys are genetically the soldier type people. Its what you are MADE for!

Lets be adults!

Stop taking the blue pills, vibes. They’re not working for ya.

Colonel Claptrap · 21-06-2019 11:07am

He is a foreign office minister who sits in on domestic and foreign security briefings.

The current threat level for international terrorism in the UK is SEVERE

An MP was murdered 2 years ago.

We live in an age when death threats are commonly made against government ministers and their families.
We have our own loonies protesting outside minister's family homes.

Luckily the protestor was not armed. I wish I was as quick thinking as he if I ever found myself in that situation.

Fight or flight.

Hurrache · 21-06-2019 11:08am

jimgoose wrote: »

Well if she did have a blade and intent to use it, at least one of them would be badly cut or possibly killed during a scuffle like that.

LOL, peak Maude Flaunders now, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED!

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:08am

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry. That makes no sense

Again apologies, I assumed you were making a joke when you linked to the sexist "man up" stuff.

You don't believe or supports the principle of equality for all people.

Debatable.

No I don't believe in the principle of equality for all people... we are all too different.

I do believe in non violence however and just generally being kind to each other.

Lackadaisical · 21-06-2019 11:09am

She wasn’t brandishing any sort of weapon, she didn’t look at all like she was being violent, just an uninvited protester.

He had ever right to interrupt her verbally as usher her way but not do what he did. You can’t lay a hand on someone like that.

You can however move the minister other likely target VIP out of the way ASAP.

Security guards and police have training and licenses precisely to prevent that kind of thing happening and know how to handle themselves.

It also raises huge questions about the security at the event. How was it possible for someone to get that close to a high profile political figure in the first place.

It’s also not the first time that a protester has managed to get into a Tory party event, including the guy who got close enough to Theresa May to hand her a P45 document during a party conference.

GreeBo · 21-06-2019 11:09am

Lux23 wrote: »

She has a right to protest. He had a right to have her removed, but he didn't need to drag her by the throat. He only has himself to blame.

Your throat is on the back of your neck?

I'd get that seen to ASAP.

jimgoose · 21-06-2019 11:10am

Hurrache wrote: »

LOL, peak Maude Flaunders now, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED!

I'm just trying to point out, as someone with some understanding of these matters, in response to another poster who said something about the woman being armed, that tackling a blade like the man in the video tackled that woman is extremely dangerous and stupid.

21-06-2019 11:12am

He should’ve tried to get her out verbally but realistically what he did was no rougher than what you’d see 5 times a night in any nightclub ejection. People are upset because it was a woman (they’ll say otherwise but that’s why). It’s a non issue.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:12am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Stop taking the blue pills, vibes. They’re not working for ya.

You are not really making a point here.

But i would like to say something about your tone.
I would appreciate it if you could be at least civil.

We can express ourselves without getting heated or rude.

If you were to be so. You would find i would be more than reciprocative.

I am sure you would enjoy talking to me much more in that way too.

This is just the way i like to treat people and it's the way i like to be treated in return.

21-06-2019 11:13am

So... Just not to misrepresent you, there should be different rights for men and women?

Ok

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:14am

GreeBo wrote: »

Your throat is on the back of your neck?

I'd get that seen to ASAP.

Yes ...insofar as you can wrap your fingers around from the back of a woman's neck as I see him do in the video.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:16am

Deleted User wrote: »

So... Just not to misrepresent you, there should be different rights for men and women?

Ok

Probably Yes...from my point of view at least.

.

I doubt very many women agree with me.

ec18 · 21-06-2019 11:17am

he could have stood up and blocked her way but there is no justification for the physical contact he made

Jamie2k9 · 21-06-2019 11:17am

We should be discussing the CO2 emissions she generated on her trip from Wales to London and return trip.

Mad_maxx · 21-06-2019 11:17am

punisher5112 wrote: »

We need more people like him to be honest....

To many getting away with everything because the others are afraid to do what's right....

He didn't hurt her and didn't grab her by the throat.... He did however hold the back of her neck to guide her out....

If he punched her for example then that would be an issue but I see absolutely no issues with stopping her...

Glad someone has good eyesight, he didn't grab her by the throat

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:18am

ec18 wrote: »

he could have stood up and blocked her way but there is no justification for the physical contact he made

That is probably all security would have done.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:18am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Glad someone has good eyesight, he didn't grab her by the throat

His fingers were wrapped around her throat from behind.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:19am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

We should be discussing the CO2 emissions she generated on her trip from Wales to London and return trip.

That's actually funny.

NIMAN · 21-06-2019 11:21am

I don't see much wrong.

21-06-2019 11:21am

seamus wrote: »

"What if she had a knife?"

She didn't FFS. What if she was carrying acid in her tits to spray on someone? What if, what if, what if.

If she was armed, he wouldn't have tried to stop her. This is some pompous prick, irritated that his pompous event is being interrupted by some pesky crusty types, thinking that he has the right to throw them out for being so rude.

A cut and dried demonstration of what privileged people do because they think they're entitled to.

As an assault, it's pretty low down there, he didn't exactly wrestle her. But that doesn't make it OK.

My mum, sisters and my brother worked many functions at that venue. I’m glad someone stopped a possible threat.

I think people forget that you are always on a heightened state of alert in London. Wish it wasn’t so but it is. Maybe she just wanted to shout when she got to the top table but she also knew that she might be stopped from doing so by whatever means.

That MP acted as I would have hoped if any of my family were in the building at the time.

WomanSkirtFan8 · 21-06-2019 11:23am

He's certainly the one in the wrong here. He shouldn't have laid a finger on her at all.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:23am

The guy who threw a milkshake at Nigel Farrage got community service!

Jo Brand was investigated by police for telling a joke about acid.

This guy just assaulted a woman. SHE DIDNT EVEN HAVE A MILKSHAKE

Boxing.Fan · 21-06-2019 11:24am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The guy who threw a milkshake at Nigel Farrage got community service!

Jo Brand was investigated by police for telling a joke about acid.

This guy just assaulted a woman. SHE DIDNT EVEN HAVE A MILKSHAKE

That's for the met police to decide not you.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:25am

It reminds me of a domestic violence scene.

Strumms · 21-06-2019 11:25am

joe40 wrote: »

He wasn't employed as security, he had no right to do it.

He may not have been employed as security but his actions may have been proportionate to a perceived threat. The woman wasn’t there NOT to cause trouble.

If I’m out in a pub tonight with friends and a female is perceived to attack one of us sitting beside me, should I stand back and await the consequences, await the Gardai... I don’t think so, my hand would be too wrapped around that persons throat and she on the ground, threat having been neutralized, each of us safe.

Hurrache · 21-06-2019 11:25am

It's amazing how all the other men there managed to handle this so much better and realise the women protesting weren't about to set off a dirty bomb.

Maybe the hero of the night to many here knew better and jumped into action to save the world.

Most likely it was just because he's a prick though.

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1141982893134286848?s=19

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:25am

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

That's for the met police to decide not you.

You could say that to anyone in this thread.

I hope she presses charges.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:26am

Hurrache wrote: »

It's amazing how all the other men there managed to handle this so much better and realise the women protesting weren't about to set off a dirty bomb.

Maybe the hero of the night to many here knew better and jumped into action to save the world.

Most likely it was just because he's a prick though.

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1141982893134286848?s=19

Exactly he did because he is just a bad person.

Boxing.Fan · 21-06-2019 11:27am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You could say that to anyone in this thread.

I hope she presses charges.

Well I'm saying it to you because you are spamming the thread with nonsense. Take a break for a while.

Hurrache · 21-06-2019 11:27am

ec18 wrote: »

he could have stood up and blocked her way but there is no justification for the physical contact he made

Like so many other normal people did in the video.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

My mum, sisters and my brother worked many functions at that venue. I’m glad someone stopped a possible threat.

I think people forget that you are always on a heightened state of alert in London. Wish it wasn’t so but it is. Maybe she just wanted to shout when she got to the top table but she also knew that she might be stopped from doing so by whatever means.

That MP acted as I would have hoped if any of my family were in the building at the time.

Look at the longer video, it was obvious from the outset, before she got near where he leapt into action to save the day, there was no threat.

NIMAN · 21-06-2019 11:27am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

His fingers were wrapped around her throat from behind.

I am trying to visualise this, and I think thats physically impossible to do, unless her neck is very thin.

try it yourself now. Wrap your hand around the back of your neck. Can you wrap your fingers around your throat?

Claude Burgundy · 21-06-2019 11:27am

Lux23 wrote: »

Of course I blame him. Who else would you blame?

Fine Gael

joe40 · 21-06-2019 11:27am

Tails142 wrote: »

Watched the video, thought it looked ok. Nothing a bouncer wouldn't do on a typical Saturday night. Barge into a room with sirens blaring what do they expect?

He wasn't a bouncer, and I don't agree that is what a bouncer would do in the first instance, if it escalated yes, but they would be hands off initially.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:28am

I think this is a learning opportunity for people to realize why victims of domestic assault do not leave.

It's always justified and totally normalized to assault women in this society.

Hurrache · 21-06-2019 11:30am

Strumms wrote: »

He may not have been employed as security but his actions may have been proportionate to a perceived threat. The woman wasn’t there NOT to cause trouble.

If I’m out in a pub tonight with friends and a female is perceived to attack one of us sitting beside me, should I stand back and await the consequences, await the Gardai... I don’t think so, my hand would be too wrapped around that persons throat and she on the ground, threat having been neutralized, each of us safe.

Another poster who gets scared if a person walks by them. You need to stay indoors.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 11:30am

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Well I'm saying it to you because you are spamming the thread with nonsense. Take a break for a while.

New account??
You are very welcome to the forum boxing fan.

I am sure you will realize in other threads I am a lovely person. And i am certain i will realize the same about you.

I look forward to getting to know you.

There isn't a need to back seat mod me though.

Welcome again.

Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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