Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

Spook_ie

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-mark-field-under-fire-after-grabbing-protester-by-neck-11745967

Should they be charging him with assault or not, should he be made to resign, given the shooting of MP Jo Cox, the "joke" of throwing acid and other things I think not, peaceful protest doesn't mean rushing up to a top table of "dignatories"

Thelonious Monk

I found it unsettling how he handles her; it’s not like he’s security or police either, totally OTT.

Lux23

Of course I blame him. Who else would you blame?

Tikki Wang Wang

Lux23 wrote: »

Of course I blame him. Who else would you blame?

The daft lass for causing a scene. Plus she may have had weapons. Safety first !

Lux23

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

The lady for causing a scene. Plus she may have had weapons. Safety first !

She has a right to protest. He had a right to have her removed, but he didn't need to drag her by the throat. He only has himself to blame.

ILoveYourVibes

I blame him. That is really disturbing.

super_furry

He grabs her around the neck and slams her into a pillar?

Christ, who are you meant to blame here?

ILoveYourVibes

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

The lady for causing a scene. Plus she may have had weapons. Safety first !

He assaulted her. She didn't touch him.

suicide_circus

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Tikki Wang Wang

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He assaulted her. She didn't touch him.

Potentially this could have been a terrorist attack ! Cause and effect !

ciaran76

I bet if it was a bloke he wouldn't have done it !

H3llR4iser

Question 1: Would it have been different if it was security grabbing her and hauling her out?

Question 2: Was the protester a man, would the same noise be made? Or would the MP been "lauded for his prompt action in the interest of everyone's security"?

joe40

He wasn't employed as security, he had no right to do it.

tritium

Spook_ie wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-mark-field-under-fire-after-grabbing-protester-by-neck-11745967

Should they be charging him with assault or not, should he be made to resign, given the shooting of MP Jo Cox, the "joke" of throwing acid and other things I think not, peaceful protest doesn't mean rushing up to a top table of "dignatories"

Tbh this is a difficult one and I suspect the optics are being managed to get as much publicity at the expense of Mr Fiels as possible.

Someone pointed out that had she been armed we’d be hailing him as a hero, and I think that’s spot on. In the moment what mr Field had to assess was an uninvited intruder heading directly for the governor of the BoE. In any realistic threat assessment the right action is to prevent that. That he did so with a relatively low level of force is actually pretty impressive.

A few MPs have jumped on the image of a male mp laying his hands on a woman, but really, where a possibility of armed threat applies and a split second decision is needed that idea is very flawed. Knives and guns don’t really care about gender I’m afraid. It was particularly shameful to have the likes of Jess Phillips play that card after what happened to her colleague Jo Cox. She isn’t the only one either, we have similar cases in recent years in Brazil and Scandinavia of politicians being attacked while in public places.

If any blame is applicable here it falls on the protest organizers, who decided it was a good idea to go for maximum impact by gatecrashing the event and putting their volunteers in danger. In many ways the protester was lucky, had there been a heavier security presence, possibly armed, this could have ended far worse.

SeaFields

Whatever about your man, P45 for the security guys...

tritium

joe40 wrote: »

He wasn't employed as security, he had no right to do it.

And if the protestor had a knife intended for mark carney would you still say that, even though the alternative would be to allow that to happen?

Gwynplaine

He did right. Throw her out.

ILoveYourVibes

ciaran76 wrote: »

I bet if it was a bloke he wouldn't have done it !

Yes.

And I think we all know this.

weldoninhio

Spook_ie wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-mark-field-under-fire-after-grabbing-protester-by-neck-11745967

Should they be charging him with assault or not, should he be made to resign, given the shooting of MP Jo Cox, the "joke" of throwing acid and other things I think not, peaceful protest doesn't mean rushing up to a top table of "dignatories"

Someone gatecrashed a dinner/speech and he stopped her from reaching the top table. She could have had a knife or anything on her. She deserved everything she got. If it was a woman taking down a man she'd be getting a reward for bravery.

The protester deserved everything she got. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

punisher5112

We need more people like him to be honest....

To many getting away with everything because the others are afraid to do what's right....

He didn't hurt her and didn't grab her by the throat.... He did however hold the back of her neck to guide her out....

If he punched her for example then that would be an issue but I see absolutely no issues with stopping her...

ILoveYourVibes

He deplatformed her! VIOLENTLY!

weldoninhio

ciaran76 wrote: »

I bet if it was a bloke he wouldn't have done it !

I bet if a woman did the same to a bloke protester, she'd be up for a bravery award.

He was sitting at the pillar that’s why she’s up against it. He didn’t assault her.

Lux23

Lux23 wrote: »

She has a right to protest. He had a right to have her removed, but he didn't need to drag her by the throat. He only has himself to blame.

Your throat is on the front of the neck. He put his hand on the back of her neck. Don't trespass if you can't handle being forcibly ejected.

AlanG

It was certainly an over-reaction and too physical. It is amazing that there was no security to protect the Chancellor who is the second most important politician in the UK. Anyone there was put in a difficult situation given the security threats that UK politicians face.
What is also significant is how many people are fixated that the protestor was a woman, as though women are delicate flowers who cannot do any harm even though they are now serving in front lines throughout the world.

The Bishop Basher

I can’t see any issue here.

He didn’t physically assault her.

He did just enough to remove her from an event where she was neither invited nor welcome.

Not seeing a problem at all.

Lux23

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

He was sitting at the pillar that’s why she’s up against it. He didn’t assault her.

There is a video of him assaulting her? What is wrong with people nowadays?

SexBobomb

You'd see rougher at the Christmas sales to be fair

punisher5112

Lux23 wrote: »

There is a video of him assaulting her? What is wrong with people nowadays?

Define assault???

Lux23

Lux23 wrote: »

There is a video of him assaulting her? What is wrong with people nowadays?

Is that a question or a statement, lux?

super_furry

Lux23 wrote: »

There is a video of him assaulting her? What is wrong with people nowadays?

Well you see she's an SJW-WTF-BBQ-snowflake and anything goes there in the mind of some folk here.

She could have been a nuclear bomb or an Apache attack helicopter and sure he was only massaging her neck and gently guiding her to the exit.

Of course many of the same people defending this believe that someone getting milkshake on their jacket is an act of terrorism so....you know.....

Lux23

punisher5112 wrote: »

Define assault???

Oh for **** sake, get a grip. He pushed her against a pillar and then grabbed her by the throat and dragged her out of the room. That is assault.

magic_murph

joe40 wrote: »

He wasn't employed as security, he had no right to do it.

Of course he had 'right' to protect himself.
As an MP I am sure he gets regular threats from disgruntled members of the public, something we don't have to deal with so can't be expected to react in the same way as this guy did.
Plus we have the hindsight of time and thought - the MP didn't. He just reacted.

Another simple case of the world being far too soft.

Hurrache

Spook_ie wrote: »

I think not, peaceful protest doesn't mean rushing up to a top table of "dignatories"

The man himself would disagree with you
https://twitter.com/MarkFieldUK/status/1126432512727764992
https://twitter.com/MarkFieldUK/status/996046817510023169

punisher5112 wrote: »

We need more people like him to be honest....

2 faced hypocrites? There's plenty of them as there is in the Tory party.

super_furry

magic_murph wrote: »

Of course he had 'right' to protect himself.
.

Protect himself from what? A woman walking past him?

magic_murph

Lux23 wrote: »

Oh for **** sake, get a grip. He pushed her against a pillar and then grabbed her by the throat and dragged her out of the room. That is assault.

He grabbed her by the neck - at no time did he touch her throat.

Fake News

ILoveYourVibes

tritium wrote: »

And if the protestor had a knife intended for mark carney would you still say that, even though the alternative would be to allow that to happen?

You are speaking in a hypothetical its a realm that doesn't exist. You are not sticking to reality. And it actually seems delusional.

This is the real world.

Look at her in reality. She was clearly not violent and was unarmed. If she had been he would not have approached her.


Her body language was actually quite meek and submissive and not at all angry.

Security would have handled that probably a lot better.

He is elected to SERVE people like her.

He owes her an apology.

mikhail

Lux23 wrote: »

She has a right to protest. He had a right to have her removed, but he didn't need to drag her by the throat. He only has himself to blame.

That doesn't square with the video I just watched. He grabbed her by the forearm, and then pushed her ahead of him with one hand on her shoulder / back of her neck. At no point does he touch her throat. There's absolutely no need to exaggerate the degree of violence involved.

The surprising thing for me is that it's not like she's rushing him or something that'd maybe explain a defensive reaction. She's just walking behind a row of seated people and he gets up very quickly to confront her. It seems a total overreaction from him.

At least he's admitted he did wrong. I wish Maria Bailey would do the same instead of hiding behind the "I'm a strong mother and some people don't like that" bull****.

Former Observer

Foreign Office employee looks like a nasty vindictive thug. He is not security and should not be grabbing people by the neck. It is threatening and abusive behaviour. He is entirely in the wrong and should lose his job. Totally unacceptable behavior for a civil servant.

RasTa

ciaran76 wrote: »

I bet if it was a bloke he wouldn't have done it !

Nobody tried to get physical with this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Ox3Y1CdGI

punisher5112

Lux23 wrote: »

Oh for **** sake, get a grip. He pushed her against a pillar and then grabbed her by the throat and dragged her out of the room. That is assault.

Maha ha

biko

I don't see a problem.
The woman gatecrashed the event. She got herself kicked out.

joe40 wrote: »

He wasn't employed as security, he had no right to do it.

Real men handle problem themselves.

suicide_circus

ciaran76 wrote: »

I bet if it was a bloke he wouldn't have done it !

if it was a bloke this wouldnt be a news story.

ILoveYourVibes

magic_murph wrote: »

Of course he had 'right' to protect himself.

She didn't touch him. And no point looked like she was going to touch him.

He was well aware of this.

He assaulted her.

Lux23

mikhail wrote: »

That doesn't square with the video I just watched. He grabbed her by the forearm, and then pushed her ahead of him with one hand on her shoulder / back of her neck. At no point does he touch her throat. There's absolutely no need to exaggerate the degree of violence involved.

The surprising thing for me is that it's not like she's rushing him or something that'd maybe explain a defensive reaction. She's just walking behind a row of seated people and he gets up very quickly to confront her. It seems a total overreaction from him.

At least he's admitted he did wrong. I wish Maria Bailey would do the same instead of hiding behind the "I'm a strong mother and some people don't like that" bull****.

Fine, he grabbed her by the neck. And what the **** has Maria Bailey got to do with this?

ILoveYourVibes

suicide_circus wrote: »

if it was a bloke this wouldnt be a news story.

Because he would never have tried it.

And if he had of course it would be a news story.

weldoninhio

Lux23 wrote: »

Oh for **** sake, get a grip. He pushed her against a pillar and then grabbed her by the throat and dragged her out of the room. That is assault.

His hand never goes near her throat

Lux23

suicide_circus wrote: »

if it was a bloke this wouldnt be a news story.

A woman couldn't march a man by the neck out of a room like that, so it would never happen.

FunLover18

You can argue over whether he was in the right or wrong but what world are you living in where throwing someone against a wall and grabbing them by the neck are not physical assault??

I'd be interested to see a Venn diagram of people who think this isn't assault and people who think throwing a milkshake is assault.

barney shamrock

#Istandwithhim

Tikki Wang Wang

Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »

The lady for causing a scene. Plus she may have had weapons. Safety first !

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

He was totally wrong.