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Bishops Gate Kilternan

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  • #102
    Johnny Jukebox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Johnny Jukebox


    As a long term Enniskerry road commuter, I conducted an experiment today.

    The good news is that from Bishopsgate to the IFSC, it took me approximately 35 minutes.

    But...it was by bicycle.

    I agree that the public transport is poor - when I am forced onto the 44, I usually take an expensive hybrid approach of switching to Luas at Balally as the Dundrum road does not have bus lanes and the bus just grinds to a halt....


  • #103
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    Johnny Jukebox wrote: »
    The good news is that from Bishopsgate to the IFSC, it took me approximately 35 minutes.

    I'm curious to know which route you took. I'll be doing a similar cycling commute.


  • #104
    Johnny Jukebox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Johnny Jukebox


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    I'm curious to know which route you took. I'll be doing a similar cycling commute.

    Enniskerry Road
    Lambs Cross
    Over M50 right into Sandyford
    Left down Drummartin Link Road
    Goatstown
    Clonskea
    Sandford
    Ranelagh
    Right down Chelmsford Ave
    Left into Leeson Park
    Leeson Street Upper
    Right onto Grand Canal
    Left onto Pearse Street
    Right onto Macken Street, Cardiff Lane, over Sam Beckett Bridge to IFSC.

    There's several variations possible depending on traffic lights etc but that's the gist of it.


  • #105
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,446 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Johnny Jukebox wrote: »
    Enniskerry Road
    Lambs Cross
    Over M50 right into Sandyford
    Left down Drummartin Link Road

    I hate the junction coming off the roundabout to go down by the Beacon towards Drummartin - no consideration give to cycling by the road designers, and little consideration given to cyclists by drivers.


  • #106
    Dr.Rieux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Dr.Rieux


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I hate the junction coming off the roundabout to go down by the Beacon towards Drummartin - no consideration give to cycling by the road designers, and little consideration given to cyclists by drivers.

    I think he means turn right at the mint past SuperValu in Sandyford and onto the Drummartin Link Road, rather than take the roundabout at the M50


  • #107
    Johnny Jukebox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Johnny Jukebox


    Dr.Rieux wrote: »
    I think he means turn right at the mint past SuperValu in Sandyford and onto the Drummartin Link Road, rather than take the roundabout at the M50

    Exactly - that roundabout is a death trap.


  • #108
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,446 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Dr.Rieux wrote: »
    I think he means turn right at the mint past SuperValu in Sandyford and onto the Drummartin Link Road, rather than take the roundabout at the M50

    Got it - that's a better option all right.


  • #109
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    Richardsons Muff wrote: »
    No. This is not the norm and there is nothing normal about people driving by half built estates in anticipation of camping outside in order to spend a huge whack of money on a property.

    It's happening again. There are currently queues in Greystones ahead of tomorrow's pre-launch of the Cairn Homes Glenheron development. https://www.cairnhomes.com/portfolio/2016/9/23/charlesland-greystones

    Not normal but is unfortunately now the norm.


  • #110
    Richardsons Muff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭Richardsons Muff


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    It's happening again. There are currently queues in Greystones ahead of tomorrow's pre-launch of the Cairn Homes Glenheron development. https://www.cairnhomes.com/portfolio/2016/9/23/charlesland-greystones

    Not normal but is unfortunately now the norm.

    no there is not, taken about 15 minutes ago...I work in Greystones...no need for this.


    2h6gaaw.jpg

    can send you a pic of the site as well if you want.


  • #111
    LirW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    Some builders or EAs are there a few days before the launch and hand tickets with numbers out.


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  • #112
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    LirW wrote: »
    Some builders or EAs are there a few days before the launch and hand tickets with numbers out.

    No-one up there this evening anyhow.
    Delicious dinner in Chakra though- have to visit Greystones more often.


  • #113
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    Richardsons Muff wrote: »
    no there is not, taken about 15 minutes ago...I work in Greystones...no need for this.

    I was in Greystones earlier and was informed by a local that a queue had begun. I honestly hope, as your photo would suggest, I was grossly misinformed and if that is the case then I sincerely apologise for spreading falsehoods.

    However, don't discount the potential that a list has begun, numbers have been given out and the queue has been dispersed/relocated in order to avoid negative press for the EA/developer.

    I wholeheartedly understand your frustration with the current state of play and wish you every success in your endeavour to find a home.


  • #114
    JaMarcusHustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    SuiteCheex wrote:
    It's happening again. There are currently queues in Greystones ahead of tomorrow's pre-launch of the Cairn Homes Glenheron development.

    Sorry, what's a prelaunch? Can you really secure a house at such an early stage?


  • #115
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    JaMarcusHustle wrote: »
    Sorry, what's a prelaunch? Can you really secure a house at such an early stage?

    It's a limited sale of houses from plans. Prices are typically lower than the phase 1 launch to reflect the fact that you're buying a house without seeing sight of a physical showhouse.

    Developers can use it to gauge the level of purchaser appetite before construction commences in earnest.


  • #116
    JaMarcusHustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Thanks for the explanation. Is there any idea of when those homes in Greystones go on general sale? Limited information available.


  • #117
    Richardsons Muff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭Richardsons Muff


    LirW wrote: »
    Some builders or EAs are there a few days before the launch and hand tickets with numbers out.
    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    However, don't discount the potential that a list has begun, numbers have been given out and the queue has been dispersed/relocated in order to avoid negative press for the EA/developer

    Neither of these two assumptions happened. It's very unhelpful adding fuel to the fire of this mindless frenzy with this baseless untrue speculation. Estate agents must absolutely love the likes of you.

    Furthermore, these houses which are basically an extension of Charlesland which has curently houses on sale 3/4 bed at about 20% less asking than these off plan "bargains"...they are ridiculously overpriced. Have zero interest.

    My frustration lies with the vendors and those that are willing to be exploited by them...they're crying laughing into their cosmos in the Shelbourne bar again. Thanks.


  • #118
    LirW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    I do not understand on how this adds fuel to the fire. Handing numbers out happened in a few developments on the northside. There were recently people here on boards (might be the Portmarnock thread, I'm not sure) telling first hand about this because it happened to them. I have no idea if this was Cairn.
    Just because it may or may not have happened there, it happened in very recent times. People do queue or get on lists or get numbers a few days before launch so they don't have to sleep in their cars. It is sad really, but there is no real way to change it at the moment.

    Edit: I'm in the process of buying but in the middle of nowhere and I've viewed many estates in Dublin on the northside during the last year, remembering Churchfields in Ashbourne being particularly bad before launch.


  • #119
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    Richardsons Muff wrote: »
    Neither of these two assumptions happened. It's very unhelpful adding fuel to the fire of this mindless frenzy with this baseless untrue speculation. QUOTE]

    As previously stated, I apologise for spreading falsehoods, in this particular instance
    Richardsons Muff wrote: »
    Have zero interest.
    QUOTE]

    I now see the futility in having a discussion with someone who is prepared to drive around Greystones obtaining photographic evidence to refute a boards.ie post about a phenomenon (queueing for a house) that evidently does occur (Bishop's Gate/Waverly in recent memory). So please consider this me throwing in the towel on this particular dialogue. My previous sentiment regarding your search for a home still remains.


  • #120
    Richardsons Muff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭Richardsons Muff


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    Richardsons Muff wrote: »
    Neither of these two assumptions happened. It's very unhelpful adding fuel to the fire of this mindless frenzy with this baseless untrue speculation. QUOTE]

    As previously stated, I apologise for spreading falsehoods, in this particular instance
    Richardsons Muff wrote: »
    Have zero interest.
    QUOTE]

    I now see the futility in having a discussion with someone who is prepared to drive around Greystones obtaining photographic evidence to refute a boards.ie post so please consider this me throwing in the towel on this particular dialogue. My previous sentiment regarding your search for a home still remains.

    "Throw in the towel on this particular dialogue" as in admit you were talking through your hoop about scenarios that never took place ? Editing posts and then blaming the fella down the road in Greystones that told you?

    I'm not driving around Greystones, I work on Church Road and my reasons for posting photographic evidence are primarily to inform those that are potentially interested in purchasing a house in the new estate that there is no panic, that your baseless waffle contributes to the hysteria...and finally, a very small part of it is prove that your post is untrue.


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  • #121
    louser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭louser1


    Any update on the houses in Greystones?


  • #122
    Richardsons Muff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭Richardsons Muff


    louser1 wrote: »
    Any update on the houses in Greystones?

    still houses available @395k 3 bed terrace. all three bed semi d sold @400k and they still have four beds @465k can't remember how many.


  • #123
    bishops
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭bishops


    There are new home for sale on daft.clonkeen-road-cabinteely-dublin


  • #124
    youngfarmer
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭youngfarmer


    See that, anyone know anything about area or when they're available?


  • #125
    youngfarmer
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭youngfarmer


    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/new-to-market/mchugh-family-set-for-a-big-flip-in-d8-1.2353804?mode=amp


  • #126
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    Has anyone else who bought in Bishops Gate had issues with the contracts? Agents say they were sent out last Friday but our solicitor still hasn't received them.....


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  • #127
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    hello92 wrote: »
    Has anyone else who bought in Bishops Gate had issues with the contracts? Agents say they were sent out last Friday but our solicitor still hasn't received them.....

    That sounds odd, does that mean your 21 days to sign the contract start from last Friday or the date you receive them?

    I have found the EA (not sure if I can mention them by name but sure everyone knows who they are), from past dealings, to be an absolute disaster. You'd be lucky to get a response from them in a somewhat timely manner or to even be able to get them on the phone, different employees in the office will give you conflicting information, you can never get an honest, straight answer - they are extremely unprofessional, untrustworthy and unethical. But hey, they are an Estate Agent after all!


  • #128
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    sunshine909 wrote: »
    That sounds odd, does that mean your 21 days to sign the contract start from last Friday or the date you receive them?

    I have found the EA (not sure if I can mention them by name but sure everyone knows who they are), from past dealings, to be an absolute disaster. You'd be lucky to get a response from them in a somewhat timely manner or to even be able to get them on the phone, different employees in the office will give you conflicting information, you can never get an honest, straight answer - they are extremely unprofessional, untrustworthy and unethical. But hey, they are an Estate Agent after all!

    Yeah - they are saying the 21 days from last Friday still stands. Seems quite unfair as our solicitor really didn't receive them and still hasn't (at this rate will be Monday at the earliest).


  • #129
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hello92 wrote: »
    Yeah - they are saying the 21 days from last Friday still stands. Seems quite unfair as our solicitor really didn't receive them and still hasn't (at this rate will be Monday at the earliest).

    You should be ok, both parties should have a record when these documents are sent and arrive. You solicitor should tell you how to handle it if it becomes an issue down the line.

    No harm querying it again. Sometimes that means lots of phone calls chasing people up.


  • #130
    BBMcQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭BBMcQ


    21 days to return the contracts is 100% hokum put in there to hurry people along. Take your time, get your solicitor to ask the vendor's solicitor as many questions as you feel are needed to rest easy knowing you have many the biggest purchase of your life with full information and understanding.


  • #131
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    hello92 wrote: »
    Has anyone else who bought in Bishops Gate had issues with the contracts? Agents say they were sent out last Friday but our solicitor still hasn't received them.....
    ronoc wrote: »
    I bought off plans a number of months ago from a cancellation.
    stuckinarut wrote: »
    not sure there was any tipping off, i was one of the very lucky ones to get a house and the reason we queued was based on driving by the development everyday checking..

    Has anyone received/signed contracts yet? Anything unusual in them or are they pretty standard?

    Still waiting to receive ours.


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  • #132
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    BBMcQ wrote: »
    21 days to return the contracts is 100% hokum put in there to hurry people along. Take your time, get your solicitor to ask the vendor's solicitor as many questions as you feel are needed to rest easy knowing you have many the biggest purchase of your life with full information and understanding.

    They are offering the "incentive" of free kitchen appliances to sign contracts within 21 days. However they don't give details of the appliances so for all we know they could be bottom of the range, worth next to nothing, but will make people feel pressured to sign within 21 days to get them.


  • #133
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JM1983 wrote: »
    Has anyone received/signed contracts yet? Anything unusual in them or are they pretty standard?

    Still waiting to receive ours.

    Ours were issued quite quickly at the time. Nothing unusual in them according to our solicitor.


  • #134
    Wantahouse
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Wantahouse


    I heard the Bishops Gate contracts don't allow for any loan contingency. You might have pre approval on a loan but if for some reason you cannot get the funds when the house is complete you lose the full deposit. That could be a loss of E40K - E55K! How does anyone buying there feel about that? Is this a new practice from builders?


  • #135
    LirW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    Wantahouse wrote: »
    I heard the Bishops Gate contracts don't allow for any loan contingency. You might have pre approval on a loan but if for some reason you cannot get the funds when the house is complete you lose the full deposit. That could be a loss of E40K - E55K! How does anyone buying there feel about that? Is this a new practice from builders?

    That is pretty much like every contract. After you signed you're committed to closing the sale. If you can't for whatever reason you lose your full deposit.


  • #136
    Wantahouse
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Wantahouse


    i would agree. Huge risk to take with such a volatile housing market. Any Bishop's Gate buyers here have thoughts on this? Am considering trying to get a house in their next phase but this makes me very wary.


  • #137
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    All I can say is that this is the approach I took and it bore fruit. There was no tipping off......it was blind hope that the launch was happening this weekend.
    stuckinarut wrote: »
    not sure there was any tipping off, i was one of the very lucky ones to get a house and the reason we queued was based on driving by the development everyday checking..
    emmacxxx wrote: »
    Thankfully I was one of the lucky ones too - genuinely feel terrible for those who missed out because I know how it feels!
    ronoc wrote: »
    I bought off plans a number of months ago from a cancellation.
    hello92 wrote: »
    Has anyone else who bought in Bishops Gate had issues with the contracts? Agents say they were sent out last Friday but our solicitor still hasn't received them.....

    Did everyones solicitors put in "subject to loan" clause into the contracts? Did the builders solicitors accept this?

    And any idea of completion date? Getting different answers from different employees in KW!


  • #138
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    We bought in the latest phase and were told February by the agent at the show house - honestly hoping it will take longer to save €€!


  • #139
    bishops
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭bishops


    You might confirm if you are happy to proceed with the purchase.I am on the cancellation list.


  • #140
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    hello92 wrote: »
    We bought in the latest phase and were told February by the agent at the show house - honestly hoping it will take longer to save €€!

    The latest I have is an email from KW saying this October!!

    That is very true, the longer it takes the more we can save!


  • #141
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    Yeah I've been told by people who have bought new builds in the past year or so to add on an extra 3-4 months to what they say as there is ALWAYS delays!


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  • #142
    Wantahouse
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Wantahouse


    October for the houses bought just 2 weeks ago?


  • #143
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    Wantahouse wrote: »
    October for the houses bought just 2 weeks ago?

    Yes, I received the following in an email form KW for the houses launched 3 weeks ago: "we have been provided with an initial completion date of October".


  • #144
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    Hmm I'm not 100% but I think that may be in terms of completion of all the houses sold in the development? Could be wrong though!


  • #145
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    hello92 wrote: »
    Hmm I'm not 100% but I think that may be in terms of completion of all the houses sold in the development? Could be wrong though!

    I am going to the viewing they are holding for purchasers, so I will most definitely have a list of questions to ask including this, and hopefully they will answer them honestly!


  • #146
    Shedite27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,427 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    JM1983 wrote: »
    They are offering the "incentive" of free kitchen appliances to sign contracts within 21 days. However they don't give details of the appliances so for all we know they could be bottom of the range, worth next to nothing, but will make people feel pressured to sign within 21 days to get them.
    We had the same incentive for new builds last year - it was a €2000 DID voucher that we could spend as we pleased.


  • #147
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    Snap - can't wait to see them again :D


  • #148
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    I have been looking at planning applications for around the area and see that Rockhurst (residential property that borders part of Bishop's Gate, which was sold in March 2017, maybe to Durkans?) has had multiple planning applications for developments for between 2-26 houses on it (search Rockhurst here http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1988710)

    One of the applications is for Rockhurst & Bishops Gate to share access. If this happened and then houses/apartment blocks were built on Rockhurst land, two of the roads that should be cul-de-sacs according to current development plans could be extended (SPP) to be used by any units in the new developments? One of the applications (which was refused), used Bishops Gate roads as access to new units.

    It may seem trivial however we like the fact that the house is on a cul-de-sac, and the land alongside the majority of Bishops Gate isn't listed as future development, only towards the back is.


  • #149
    Dearg81
    Registered Users Posts: 3,173 ✭✭✭Dearg81


    LirW wrote:
    That is pretty much like every contract. After you signed you're committed to closing the sale. If you can't for whatever reason you lose your full deposit.

    All you have to do is ask your solicitor to put in a clause though which protects you in most cases. Risking losing a deposit is crazy.


  • #150
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    JM1983 wrote: »
    Did everyones solicitors put in "subject to loan" clause into the contracts? Did the builders solicitors accept this?

    And any idea of completion date? Getting different answers from different employees in KW!

    My solicitor has just received responses to his queries on the contract. I haven't yet heard if the "subject to loan" clause was accepted. Will keep you posted.

    From conversations with the EA at the time of paying the booking deposit, we were told it would be February 2018 before completion. I think it depends on where your house is located in the development. The builders are working from the front to the back and as each section is completed, they're being released to the purchasers. We're located towards the back hence the Feb 18 completion date.

    Bear in mind I've nothing in writing yet.


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  • #151
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    sunshine909 wrote: »
    I have been looking at planning applications for around the area and see that Rockhurst (residential property that borders part of Bishop's Gate, which was sold in March 2017, maybe to Durkans?) has had multiple planning applications for developments for between 2-26 houses on it (search Rockhurst here http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1988710)

    One of the applications is for Rockhurst & Bishops Gate to share access. If this happened and then houses/apartment blocks were built on Rockhurst land, two of the roads that should be cul-de-sacs according to current development plans could be extended (SPP) to be used by any units in the new developments? One of the applications (which was refused), used Bishops Gate roads as access to new units.

    It may seem trivial however we like the fact that the house is on a cul-de-sac, and the land alongside the majority of Bishops Gate isn't listed as future development, only towards the back is.

    Is Rockhurst going in to the field between BG and the Golden Ball?

    I'd heard that Durkan's owned that plot of land and were planning to develop it separately to BG. There's a river running along the access road in BG that acts as a boundary between BG and what I'm assuming is going to be Rockhurst so, as you've already pointed out, any further BG development is going to down the back.


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