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Bishops Gate Kilternan

Katie9

Hi!

Any thoughts anyone on Durkan development Bishops Gate in Kilternan, scheduled for release in Spring 2017?

Not much info online!

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sunshine909

SuiteCheex wrote: »

Is Rockhurst going in to the field between BG and the Golden Ball?

I'd heard that Durkan's owned that plot of land and were planning to develop it separately to BG. There's a river running along the access road in BG that acts as a boundary between BG and what I'm assuming is going to be Rockhurst so, as you've already pointed out, any further BG development is going to down the back.

No, that is a field that previously had 2 planning applications for 131 units and then 83 units withdrawn.

Rockhurst is the other side, bordering the North West boundary, between BG and Kilternan CoI NS.

If those two developments do go ahead there will be houses/developments from the Golden Ball to Kilternan CoI, the roads will definitely need to be upgraded particularly Glenamuck Road!

Grazing17

It was not meant to be.... for me anyway!

Just crawling out of first round of negative equity. Time for seconds.....

hello92

Yeah I heard that there basically won't be anymore 'public launches' as such cos they're just going to go by the cancellation list..

Grazing17

Anyone know how many houses will be available in the next phase?

Can't get EA or builder to say. Pretty basic information but it's like talking to a wall. There are so many people on the cancellation list they don't even try to be civil when questioned.

Although the prices on the next phase will probably shoot past my mortgage approval.

I am so far down the cancellation list they tell me I can politely sod off......

JM1983

slane2017 wrote: »

Our solicitor asked last week if they would allow a loan contingency clause and got a big fat NO. Talked to KW today too and they said the builder would not budge on this. He has done it at other developments. Sellers' market. They can demand whatever they want for those desperate enough to take that chance. We are probably going to back out. Not worth the risk.

Yes it is a sellers market, but what a horrible, horrible way to conduct business. Especially when the houses can easily be sold if a person doesn't end up going through with the sale. Unless they are worried that when Clay Farm & other nearby developments are launched/completed, there won't be such a demand for Bishops Gate.

I am sorry you are going to lose out on getting a home because of nasty developers/estate agents. I wish you well in getting a home.

Pure greed. Preying on those who are desperate to get a home. He must be a disgusting human being.

slane2017

Our solicitor asked last week if they would allow a loan contingency clause and got a big fat NO. Talked to KW today too and they said the builder would not budge on this. He has done it at other developments. Sellers' market. They can demand whatever they want for those desperate enough to take that chance. We are probably going to back out. Not worth the risk.

slane2017

I asked Neil Durkan about that when they had the open house a few weeks ago. The builder of that development bordering Bishops Gate to the north, beside that bungalow... can choose which way to build the entrance into the new site. He has approval to pick either of the current cul de sacs or he may apply for PP to have his entrance on the yet to be built 3rd road. Apparently he wanted to have an entrance off the main road but that was denied so he has to go through Bishops Gate. So, don't count on being on a cul de sac. The other builder is going to get to pick which road to use.

SuiteCheex

sunshine909 wrote: »

I have been looking at planning applications for around the area and see that Rockhurst (residential property that borders part of Bishop's Gate, which was sold in March 2017, maybe to Durkans?) has had multiple planning applications for developments for between 2-26 houses on it (search Rockhurst here http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1988710)

One of the applications is for Rockhurst & Bishops Gate to share access. If this happened and then houses/apartment blocks were built on Rockhurst land, two of the roads that should be cul-de-sacs according to current development plans could be extended (SPP) to be used by any units in the new developments? One of the applications (which was refused), used Bishops Gate roads as access to new units.

It may seem trivial however we like the fact that the house is on a cul-de-sac, and the land alongside the majority of Bishops Gate isn't listed as future development, only towards the back is.

Is Rockhurst going in to the field between BG and the Golden Ball?

I'd heard that Durkan's owned that plot of land and were planning to develop it separately to BG. There's a river running along the access road in BG that acts as a boundary between BG and what I'm assuming is going to be Rockhurst so, as you've already pointed out, any further BG development is going to down the back.

SuiteCheex

JM1983 wrote: »

Did everyones solicitors put in "subject to loan" clause into the contracts? Did the builders solicitors accept this?

And any idea of completion date? Getting different answers from different employees in KW!

My solicitor has just received responses to his queries on the contract. I haven't yet heard if the "subject to loan" clause was accepted. Will keep you posted.

From conversations with the EA at the time of paying the booking deposit, we were told it would be February 2018 before completion. I think it depends on where your house is located in the development. The builders are working from the front to the back and as each section is completed, they're being released to the purchasers. We're located towards the back hence the Feb 18 completion date.

Bear in mind I've nothing in writing yet.

Dearg81

LirW wrote:

That is pretty much like every contract. After you signed you're committed to closing the sale. If you can't for whatever reason you lose your full deposit.

All you have to do is ask your solicitor to put in a clause though which protects you in most cases. Risking losing a deposit is crazy.

sunshine909

I have been looking at planning applications for around the area and see that Rockhurst (residential property that borders part of Bishop's Gate, which was sold in March 2017, maybe to Durkans?) has had multiple planning applications for developments for between 2-26 houses on it (search Rockhurst here http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1988710)

One of the applications is for Rockhurst & Bishops Gate to share access. If this happened and then houses/apartment blocks were built on Rockhurst land, two of the roads that should be cul-de-sacs according to current development plans could be extended (SPP) to be used by any units in the new developments? One of the applications (which was refused), used Bishops Gate roads as access to new units.

It may seem trivial however we like the fact that the house is on a cul-de-sac, and the land alongside the majority of Bishops Gate isn't listed as future development, only towards the back is.

hello92

Snap - can't wait to see them again

Shedite27

JM1983 wrote: »

They are offering the "incentive" of free kitchen appliances to sign contracts within 21 days. However they don't give details of the appliances so for all we know they could be bottom of the range, worth next to nothing, but will make people feel pressured to sign within 21 days to get them.

We had the same incentive for new builds last year - it was a €2000 DID voucher that we could spend as we pleased.

JM1983

hello92 wrote: »

Hmm I'm not 100% but I think that may be in terms of completion of all the houses sold in the development? Could be wrong though!

I am going to the viewing they are holding for purchasers, so I will most definitely have a list of questions to ask including this, and hopefully they will answer them honestly!

hello92

Hmm I'm not 100% but I think that may be in terms of completion of all the houses sold in the development? Could be wrong though!

JM1983

Wantahouse wrote: »

October for the houses bought just 2 weeks ago?

Yes, I received the following in an email form KW for the houses launched 3 weeks ago: "we have been provided with an initial completion date of October".

Wantahouse

October for the houses bought just 2 weeks ago?

hello92

Yeah I've been told by people who have bought new builds in the past year or so to add on an extra 3-4 months to what they say as there is ALWAYS delays!

JM1983

hello92 wrote: »

We bought in the latest phase and were told February by the agent at the show house - honestly hoping it will take longer to save €€!

The latest I have is an email from KW saying this October!!

That is very true, the longer it takes the more we can save!

bishops

You might confirm if you are happy to proceed with the purchase.I am on the cancellation list.

hello92

We bought in the latest phase and were told February by the agent at the show house - honestly hoping it will take longer to save €€!

JM1983

SuiteCheex wrote: »

All I can say is that this is the approach I took and it bore fruit. There was no tipping off......it was blind hope that the launch was happening this weekend.

stuckinarut wrote: »

not sure there was any tipping off, i was one of the very lucky ones to get a house and the reason we queued was based on driving by the development everyday checking..

emmacxxx wrote: »

Thankfully I was one of the lucky ones too - genuinely feel terrible for those who missed out because I know how it feels!

ronoc wrote: »

I bought off plans a number of months ago from a cancellation.

hello92 wrote: »

Has anyone else who bought in Bishops Gate had issues with the contracts? Agents say they were sent out last Friday but our solicitor still hasn't received them.....

Did everyones solicitors put in "subject to loan" clause into the contracts? Did the builders solicitors accept this?

And any idea of completion date? Getting different answers from different employees in KW!

Wantahouse

i would agree. Huge risk to take with such a volatile housing market. Any Bishop's Gate buyers here have thoughts on this? Am considering trying to get a house in their next phase but this makes me very wary.

LirW

Wantahouse wrote: »

I heard the Bishops Gate contracts don't allow for any loan contingency. You might have pre approval on a loan but if for some reason you cannot get the funds when the house is complete you lose the full deposit. That could be a loss of E40K - E55K! How does anyone buying there feel about that? Is this a new practice from builders?

That is pretty much like every contract. After you signed you're committed to closing the sale. If you can't for whatever reason you lose your full deposit.

Wantahouse

I heard the Bishops Gate contracts don't allow for any loan contingency. You might have pre approval on a loan but if for some reason you cannot get the funds when the house is complete you lose the full deposit. That could be a loss of E40K - E55K! How does anyone buying there feel about that? Is this a new practice from builders?

[Deleted User]

JM1983 wrote: »

Has anyone received/signed contracts yet? Anything unusual in them or are they pretty standard?

Still waiting to receive ours.

Ours were issued quite quickly at the time. Nothing unusual in them according to our solicitor.

JM1983

BBMcQ wrote: »

21 days to return the contracts is 100% hokum put in there to hurry people along. Take your time, get your solicitor to ask the vendor's solicitor as many questions as you feel are needed to rest easy knowing you have many the biggest purchase of your life with full information and understanding.

They are offering the "incentive" of free kitchen appliances to sign contracts within 21 days. However they don't give details of the appliances so for all we know they could be bottom of the range, worth next to nothing, but will make people feel pressured to sign within 21 days to get them.

JM1983

hello92 wrote: »

Has anyone else who bought in Bishops Gate had issues with the contracts? Agents say they were sent out last Friday but our solicitor still hasn't received them.....

ronoc wrote: »

I bought off plans a number of months ago from a cancellation.

stuckinarut wrote: »

not sure there was any tipping off, i was one of the very lucky ones to get a house and the reason we queued was based on driving by the development everyday checking..

Has anyone received/signed contracts yet? Anything unusual in them or are they pretty standard?

Still waiting to receive ours.

BBMcQ

21 days to return the contracts is 100% hokum put in there to hurry people along. Take your time, get your solicitor to ask the vendor's solicitor as many questions as you feel are needed to rest easy knowing you have many the biggest purchase of your life with full information and understanding.

[Deleted User]

hello92 wrote: »

Yeah - they are saying the 21 days from last Friday still stands. Seems quite unfair as our solicitor really didn't receive them and still hasn't (at this rate will be Monday at the earliest).

You should be ok, both parties should have a record when these documents are sent and arrive. You solicitor should tell you how to handle it if it becomes an issue down the line.

No harm querying it again. Sometimes that means lots of phone calls chasing people up.