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Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Restrictions , it won't be a lockdown as the last six weeks have not been a lockdown either .
    March to May was as close to a lockdown we got.

    It’s still not great though with so many things shut and so many out of work.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s still not great though with so many things shut and so many out of work.

    It’s not great at all, but very different to the kind of lockdown and border controls and quarantine needed to achieve zero Covid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I'm very interested in the case number tonight. I think they're holding a fairly significant backlog so won't be surprised to see a larger number than expected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    jackboy wrote: »
    Zero Covid is possible if we join forces with the north and then control access to the island. Not at all easy but it could be done.

    And then what? Wait for years until covid is gone from the Earth? It is so academic and pointless to discuss it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    And then what? Wait for years until covid is gone from the Earth? It is so academic and pointless to discuss it.

    Some countries have done it. We are talking about bringing our own cutlery to Christmas dinner and they are attending sports events. We should at least compare their approach to ours. It might be a few months yet before we can be sure which approach is best. I don’t think we can be sure yet that cycling levels of restrictions is the way to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    Some countries have done it. We are talking about bringing our own cutlery to Christmas dinner and they are attending sports events. We should at least compare their approach to ours. It might be a few months yet before we can be sure which approach is best. I don’t think we can be sure yet that cycling levels of restrictions is the way to go.
    The time to switch strategies is long past for countries, apart from the US actually managing it, whatever strategy is being used now will remain unchanged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,826 ✭✭✭✭Eod100




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    94 cases in Dublin, 41 in Donegal, 27 in Wicklow, 14 in Louth, 13 in Limerick.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    299 today suggests decent swab numbers today given the large backlog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Seamai wrote: »
    They only problem is that half of them up there don't want to play ball with us as this would represent a weakness on their part in their relationship with their friends across the pond who don't give a toss about them.

    And that sums up the real issue nicely.
    They'd die in their thousands sooner than take the lead from Dubln.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    seamus wrote: »
    299 today suggests decent swab numbers today given the large backlog.
    I thought so too. Unless they hold out on the backlog till tomorrow


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    27 in Wicklow, must be linked to a workplace/school or some gathering


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    The EY report is incredibly amateurish.

    It would sicken us all if we ever find out how much was paid for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    jackboy wrote: »
    It might be a few months yet before we can be sure which approach is best. I don’t think we can be sure yet that cycling levels of restrictions is the way to go.

    I think we can be pretty sure at this stage (8 months in) which approaches were correct & which were not. Europe failed and the vaccine(s) are needed to rescue the situation.

    If that "plan" (such as it is) doesn't work as hoped next year :eek: there might be a choice between opening up the economy more again and accepting the death and sickness that will bring or trying to copy approaches of countries that did control it.

    I mean how long can you carry on "cycling" such extreme restrictions and running off borrowed money without having a huge economic collapse of some sort? I'm not an economist so I don't know.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I hate to say it but there is no way Donegal should be easing restrictions at this point. They're in a situation now with Northern Ireland entering a firebreak there will be a continuance of cross border employment coupled with North to Republic travel for social and retail reasons. It's a recipe for disaster at their current infection levels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭giveitholly




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    94 cases in Dublin, 41 in Donegal, 27 in Wicklow, 14 in Louth, 13 in Limerick.
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    41 in Donegal!!


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    They've started flying batches from the Belgian production plant to the US, so this looks very likely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Today's cases: 299
    Last Sunday: 318
    Sunday before that: 378


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭prunudo


    94 cases in Dublin, 41 in Donegal, 27 in Wicklow, 14 in Louth, 13 in Limerick.
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    Not sure what is happening here in Wicklow, we were doing great for weeks and weeks. Not sure if its to do with the cases in Loughlinstown hospital or other clusters. 14 day average is still low but won't be long going above 100 if they can't get a handle on spread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I hate to say it but there is no way Donegal should be easing restrictions at this point. They're in a situation now with Northern Ireland entering a firebreak there will be a continuance of cross border employment coupled with North to Republic travel for social and retail reasons. It's a recipe for disaster at their current infection levels.
    I agree tbh Donegal's numbers remain very high for that population.
    It's the equivalent of Cork reporting 150 cases and Dublin reporting 350.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Great numbers for Cork considering where we were a few weeks back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    There was 24 hospitalisations on the last 24 hours. I’d wish they’d start telling us the ages. I’d assume it’s from community hospitals and care homes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Russman


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    I think we can be pretty sure at this stage (8 months in) which approaches were correct & which were not. Europe failed and the vaccine(s) are needed to rescue the situation.

    If that "plan" (such as it is) doesn't work as hoped next year :eek: there might be a choice between opening up the economy more again and accepting the death and sickness that will bring or trying to copy approaches of countries that did control it.

    I mean how long can you carry on "cycling" such extreme restrictions and running off borrowed money without having a huge economic collapse of some sort? I'm not an economist so I don't know.

    As long as the whole EU are in the same boat, and we’re part of the ECB & Euro, pretty much indefinitely basically. There will be a collective way found to make it ok. Anyone going on a solo run would be in difficulty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    You will be able to eat out ,shop get your hair cut for the next few weeks but there will be no family gatherings in three weeks time

    Case numbers will be too high

    There will be an announcement on the 21st


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Great numbers for Cork considering where we were a few weeks back.
    Agree, really has dropped quite significantly in the past 7-10 days


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree tbh Donegal's numbers remain very high for that population.
    It's the equivalent of Cork reporting 150 cases and Dublin reporting 350.

    It's complete sh*t for them but with the amount of people that will be heading home to Donegal for Christmas too it could leave them in a particularly bad place.

    I'm a bit surprised NPHET haven't highlighted it more strenuously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    There was 24 hospitalisations on the last 24 hours. I’d wish they’d start telling us the ages. I’d assume it’s from community hospitals and care homes

    They do tell us the ages just the day before on gov.ie and hub. Not updated yet with the correct numbers.

    Says updated 29/11/2020 but most data on the site still has yesterdays numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,826 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    You will be able to eat out ,shop get your hair cut for the next few weeks but there will be no family gatherings in three weeks time

    Case numbers will be too high

    There will be an announcement on the 21st

    Even if there is, think people will still meet. Government have said it will be reviewed but they seem committed now unless cases change drastically in 3 weeks. Donnelly seems to think/hope that cases will decrease over next week or 2 as result of the level 5 restrictions.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You will be able to eat out ,shop get your hair cut for the next few weeks but there will be no family gatherings in three weeks time

    Case numbers will be too high

    There will be an announcement on the 21st

    It will be the 15th before an impact is noticed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    Is another lockdown in January really likely? If so, how long would it be predicted to last?


  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Is another lockdown in January really likely? If so, how long would it be predicted to last?

    6 months at level 5


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Is another lockdown in January really likely? If so, how long would it be predicted to last?

    Inevitable I'd say. Mínimum 4 week


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Good progress this week compared to last.

    792 less cases
    14 less deaths reported

    25 less in hospital than last Sunday and 1 less in ICU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,482 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Good progress this week compared to last.

    792 less cases
    14 less deaths reported

    25 less in hospital than last Sunday and 1 less in ICU.

    Would you call that a successful 6 week level 5 restriction period?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Is another lockdown in January really likely? If so, how long would it be predicted to last?

    Yeah. It’s going to be a very dry January.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Russman wrote: »
    As long as the whole EU are in the same boat, and we’re part of the ECB & Euro, pretty much indefinitely basically. There will be a collective way found to make it ok. Anyone going on a solo run would be in difficulty.

    I was presuming there must be a breaking point somewhere (even for the whole Eurozone / ECB) but as said I really don't have any idea where that is. Maybe it would take years of it.

    The European governments go into debt to pay people (or businesses - which comprise people!) to do nothing/very little.
    It is the opposite of normal government spending as the government wants them to stop doing what they usually do to control spread of the virus.

    There is extra expenditure by governments on the health services, but alot of that will flow out to US/Asia to pay for PPE, medical equipment etc. The ECB buys that govt. debt and can print Euros to do that.

    Am I understanding this correctly in a rough/inexact way (as a layman speaking)? It sort of bends my noodle to be honest but I can't see how it can continue "indefinitely".


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Is another lockdown in January really likely? If so, how long would it be predicted to last?

    Personally, I’m expecting what we’ve seen in the last few weeks to last until Easter. And then with a combination of the nicer weather and imminent mass vaccination, things to revert largely to normal (except for very crowded indoor areas like nightclubs, and with seating only in pubs and venues)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Interesting. I woke up on Tuesday with cramps in my stomach. Internally i was fine but to touch my stomach or move in bed was uncomfortable.

    I called in sick even though I was WFH that day. As the day progressed I started to get a body temperature and headache.

    When I left my room that day and Wednesday I wore a mask around the house(i have filters in mine).

    Symptoms eased off by Wednesday morning and were completely gone by Wednesday evening.

    Makes me wonder. When you think of all the cases they find in professional athletes, youd wonder how many would have been positive without the regimentive testing.

    I didnt feel bad enough to request a test(who wants to have to travel across town to have something shoved down their nose) so you'd have to wonder how many in a similar boat to me may or may not have had it.

    I hope not many. Because if everyone didn't bother getting a test when they had symptoms, we would have far more cases and far less tracking data.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Why is Tómas Ryan on Six One? He's not even a virologist, immunologist, anything related to Covid. He's a neuroscientist. We only hear from those who fearmongerer on a daily basis. Mooting Restrictions being brought back before restrictions are even lifted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    nj27 wrote: »
    6 months at level 5

    Gosh that’s grim :/ reason I ask is because just before lockdown, I managed to find accommodation but then the lockdown was announced so had to move back home. I’m still paying rent but haven’t moved in yet and work has asked that we all be back in the office after Christmas. But if there’s another lockdown, I don’t know if it’s worth to keep paying rent...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Gosh that’s grim :/ reason I ask is because just before lockdown, I managed to find accommodation but then the lockdown was announced so had to move back home. I’m still paying rent but haven’t moved in yet and work has asked that we all be back in the office after Christmas. But if there’s another lockdown, I don’t know if it’s worth to keep paying rent...

    6 months at level 5 , was an obvious p*sstake of an answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    6 months at level 5 , was an obvious p*sstake of an answer.

    Ah I see, I scanned over the level 5 part!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Have they given further details of the pub restrictions? Eg closing time , max numbers per table etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Inevitable I'd say. Mínimum 4 week
    In the NPHET letter they said a likely 3 weeks but it depends on where the numbers are come Jan 6. Over 400 cases a day and they'll recommend one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    6 months at level 5 , was an obvious p*sstake of an answer.

    Surprised it didn't get a few thanks tbh given some views!


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    You will be able to eat out ,shop get your hair cut for the next few weeks but there will be no family gatherings in three weeks time

    Case numbers will be too high

    There will be an announcement on the 21st

    There’ll be gatherings anyway. Doesn’t matter what Tony thinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Inevitable I'd say. Mínimum 4 week
    Again, not what NPHET said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    blade1 wrote: »
    Would you call that a successful 6 week level 5 restriction period?


    In the terms of controling the virus I think was a decent success while having schools open. From a 7 day average of 1176 cases per day to now 261. Hospital, ICU admissions and deaths thankfully didn't reach the levels of March, April and touch wood it stays that way for the months ahead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    In the terms of controling the virus I think was a decent success while having schools open. From a 7 day average of 1176 cases per day to now 261. Hospital, ICU admissions and deaths thankfully didn't reach the levels of March, April and touch wood it stays that way for the months ahead.
    It's a major success. That's an incredible drop in 7 day average.


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