Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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I was wondering where Paddygreen had gone. And I see him on the banned list. Pity, I thought those posts were pretty funny.....brought some light relief

bb1234567

The dakotas in the US are an utter disgrace and still you've Americans in those regions dogmatically rejecting any form of state interference to try and save lives!
Nurses in South Dakota apparently in disbelief that they've residents dying of covid in front of them and rejecting their diagnosis because covid isnt real!
God trump has a lot to answer for

South Dakota population 884k is at 942 deaths now
94 in the last 48 hours alone, equivalent to 525 deaths in two days in Ireland :eek:
Imagine that many people dying here? ****in hell

It's things like this that completely change my mind back to the fact that covid is a dangerous disease, sometimes it's easy to forget or think otherwise when we have such good control of it here..

Goldengirl

lukas8888 wrote: »

He's alive and well and sharing his wisdom on a few other Covid threads.One's such as the relaxation thread that is not as forcibly censored by the mods as this one.

Wisdom . On the Relaxations thread ? That's an oxymoron.

What Username Guidelines

bb1234567 wrote: »

The dakotas in the US are an utter disgrace and still you've Americans in those regions dogmatically rejecting any form of state interference to try and save lives!
Nurses in South Dakota apparently in disbelief that they've residents dying of covid in front of them and rejecting their diagnosis because covid isnt real!
God trump has a lot to answer for

South Dakota population 884k is at 942 deaths now
94 in the last 48 hours alone, equivalent to 525 deaths in two days in Ireland :eek:
Imagine that many people dying here? ****in hell

I think they’re at >1 in 1,000 of all residents in the state dead. It’s not like a massive metropolis either, quite spread out and rural. Incredible numbers.

Goldengirl

bb1234567 wrote: »

The dakotas in the US are an utter disgrace and still you've Americans in those regions dogmatically rejecting any form of state interference to try and save lives!
Nurses in South Dakota apparently in disbelief that they've residents dying of covid in front of them and rejecting their diagnosis because covid isnt real!
God trump has a lot to answer for

South Dakota population 884k is at 942 deaths now
94 in the last 48 hours alone, equivalent to 525 deaths in two days in Ireland :eek:
Imagine that many people dying here? ****in hell

How do they not know what is happening in the rest of the world and the science of this pandemic?
Are they less educated than other states or is their information being censored by Republican biased media ?
I can't understand how healthcare workers in other states are up in arms over Trump's mishandling , but not here .

What Username Guidelines

Goldengirl wrote: »

How do they not know what is happening in the rest of the world and the science of this pandemic?
Are they less educated than other states or is their information being censored by Republican biased media ?
I can't understand how healthcare workers in other states are up in arms over Trump's mishandling , but not here .

It’s incredibly political in the US, apparently some people in hospitals struggling to breathe are still refusing to believe it’s real. It’s a heavy-leaning red state, 61% voted trump, and republicans are over represented in covid stats.

Goldengirl

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’s incredibly political in the US, apparently some people in hospitals struggling to breathe are still refusing to believe it’s real. It’s a heavy-leaning red state, 61% voted trump, and republicans are over represented in covid stats.

Yes I agree. Politicisation of Covid , is one of the worst things that Trump will be remembered for .

bb1234567

Goldengirl wrote: »

How do they not know what is happening in the rest of the world and the science of this pandemic?
Are they less educated than other states or is their information being censored by Republican biased media ?
I can't understand how healthcare workers in other states are up in arms over Trump's mishandling , but not here .

They just don't give a flying fcuk ! It's beyond belief
https://twitter.com/KristiNoem/status/1332001167350452224

This is their mayor! Merry thanksgiving to you too ya absolute tool 1000 people in your tiny farm are state are dead and youve not done an iota to prevent it, in fact she is to blame, covid relief money was spent on tourism campaign to attract people to the state. And look at all the comments, half of them are saying what a fabulous governor she is and wishing her happy holidays back while the other half are cursing her that nearly 1000 South Dakotans are dead . USA is a partisan state, I don't see how a state can function with such incredible polarisation on such sensitive issues, middle ground or balanced views on anything seems simply absent

Funsterdelux

bb1234567 wrote: »

The dakotas in the US are an utter disgrace and still you've Americans in those regions dogmatically rejecting any form of state interference to try and save lives!
Nurses in South Dakota apparently in disbelief that they've residents dying of covid in front of them and rejecting their diagnosis because covid isnt real!
God trump has a lot to answer for

South Dakota population 884k is at 942 deaths now
94 in the last 48 hours alone, equivalent to 525 deaths in two days in Ireland :eek:
Imagine that many people dying here? ****in hell

It's things like this that completely change my mind back to the fact that covid is a dangerous disease, sometimes it's easy to forget or think otherwise when we have such good control of it here..

They're a mess

John O.Groats

Goldengirl wrote: »

Wisdom . On the Relaxations thread ? That's an oxymoron.

Absolutely. I find it amazing that anyone takes what the bulk of posters there spew out seriously. Thankfully there are a few sane posters there who do call out the utter BS, otherwise it would be a complete echo chamber.

pjohnson

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’s incredibly political in the US, apparently some people in hospitals struggling to breathe are still refusing to believe it’s real. It’s a heavy-leaning red state, 61% voted trump, and republicans are over represented in covid stats.

Its feckin cultlike. Nothing will change their mind and thats that. Actual facts and reality be damned.

growleaves

USA is a partisan state, I don't see how a state can function with such incredible polarisation on such sensitive issues, middle ground or balanced views on anything seems simply absent

The US system and parliamentary systems are supposed to function with adversarial government, an adversarial press etc.

It is the states with one opinion which are - or lets be honest, which were - considered inferior.

Eivor

pjohnson wrote: »

Its feckin cultlike. Nothing will change their mind and thats that. Actual facts and reality be damned.

I think the “even one life is too many” and the “do nothing/Covid isn’t real” camps are both equally cult like.

Renjit

bb1234567 wrote: »

God trump has a lot to answer for

Trump is a smart person and he knows it

John O.Groats

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes I agree. Politicisation of Covid , is one of the worst things that Trump will be remembered for .

Thankfully that buffoon will soon be back to where he belongs: Obscurity. No doubt though that he will do more damage in the time he has remaining in the White House.

John O.Groats

John O.Groats wrote: »

Thankfully that buffoon will soon be back to where he belongs: Obscurity. No doubt though that he will do more damage in the time he has remaining in the White House.

He’ll probably steal that tiny table too

Renjit

bb1234567 wrote: »

USA is a partisan state, I don't see how a state can function with such incredible polarisation on such sensitive issues, middle ground or balanced views on anything seems simply absent

It's a systemic polarization. Trump has shifted the overton window where the hate is betrayed publicly now. Single issue voters dont care for anything else but the single issue they espouse for. The hate will be more open going forward.

The world all over is shifting to a more conservative bigoted outlook. Votes are asked on the basis of manufactured fear and victim mentality from the majority.

Kermit.de.frog

What happens to the 'disappeared' listed in the OP?

Is this a 'dragged out the back and a hiding behind the shed type deal'?

I haven't seen those users in a while.

I'm worried for their safety.

ACitizenErased

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What happens to the 'disappeared' listed in the OP?

Is this a 'dragged out the back and a hiding behind the shed type deal'?

I haven't seen those users in a while.

I'm worried for their safety.

you survived so i'm sure theyre fine

Goldengirl

bb1234567 wrote: »

They just don't give a flying fcuk ! It's beyond belief
https://twitter.com/KristiNoem/status/1332001167350452224

This is their mayor! Merry thanksgiving to you too ya absolute tool 1000 people in your tiny farm are state are dead and youve not done an iota to prevent it, in fact she is to blame, covid relief money was spent on tourism campaign to attract people to the state. And look at all the comments, half of them are saying what a fabulous governor she is and wishing her happy holidays back while the other half are cursing her that nearly 1000 South Dakotans are dead . USA is a partisan state, I don't see how a state can function with such incredible polarisation on such sensitive issues, middle ground or balanced views on anything seems simply absent

Republican governor of Wisconsin was the same despite case numbers and deaths rising exponentially.
Refused to mandate any restrictions .
It was down to individuals and some of the non Republican mayors to bring in local restrictions, and they had their funding cut by the governor as result !
It is so horrific that public clinics were open treating Covid patients in poorer areas , with staff working for free because they didn't have funding to pay them!
One of my friends is working in one .
This is one of the reasons Trump lost Wisconsin.

It's ok for some of these highly paid officials to thumb their noses at a virus , which affects those in more crowded areas than they probably reside in . And they can afford to pay for hospital treatment when they get sick and expensive drug treatments, unlike the poorer citizens.

Maybe other states like the Dakotas, would be voting differently if they had hit their peak of infection and deaths earlier this year ?
I don't know , that country is a basket case .

growleaves

Renjit wrote: »

It's a systemic polarization. Trump has shifted the overton window where the hate is betrayed publicly now. Single issue voters dont care for anything else but the single issue they espouse for. The hate will be more open going forward.

The world all over is shifting to a more conservative bigoted outlook. Votes are asked on the basis of manufactured fear and victim mentality from the majority.

I didn't like his rhetoric especially e.g. about Mexicans, but my point isn't to defend Trump but to defend the idea of political alternatives.

An official political culture which arrogates everything to itself is the worst outcome and you see it in this thread where people are confident that there is one establishment that can institute military policing or mandate forcible injections if it wants to.

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pjohnson wrote: »

Its feckin cultlike. Nothing will change their mind and thats that. Actual facts and reality be damned.

It’s make you wonder how people would react in a proper apocalyptic situation or a pandemic with maybe 40% death rate or something.

It’s incredible to see the lack of resilience people have in these situations, easier to pretend it’s not happening and hope it “magically” ends. It’ll end eventually thanks to the work of others, and plenty will be convinced it was no big deal.

Like the folks on here who berate those being careful, calling them scared or saying they enjoy the misery, when in reality they should be thanking them for lowering overall interaction. But far too selfish to see it.

Goldengirl

John O.Groats wrote: »

Absolutely. I find it amazing that anyone takes what the bulk of posters there spew out seriously. Thankfully there are a few sane posters there who do call out the utter BS, otherwise it would be a complete echo chamber.

Waste of time and energy, and depressing ..leave em at it

didyoufart?

Cases rising in Kilkenny the last few days directly linked to a primary school, infected parents and passed onto their work colleagues.

I presume the adults will count as community transmission?

lukas8888

John O.Groats wrote: »

Absolutely. I find it amazing that anyone takes what the bulk of posters there spew out seriously. Thankfully there are a few sane posters there who do call out the utter BS, otherwise it would be a complete echo chamber.

Lighten up, Paddygreen added a little humour to the non stop misery and was never taken seriously by anyone bar a few over sensitive types.

eagle eye

didyoufart? wrote:

I presume the adults will count as community transmission?

Of course they will, can't link anything to schools.

Goldengirl

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’s make you wonder how people would react in a proper apocalyptic situation or a pandemic with maybe 40% death rate or something.

It’s incredible to see the lack of resilience people have in these situations, easier to pretend it’s not happening and hope it “magically” ends. It’ll end eventually thanks to the work of others, and plenty will be convinced it was no big deal.

Like the folks on here who berate those being careful, calling them scared or saying they enjoy the misery, when in reality they should be thanking them for lowering overall interaction. But far too selfish to see it.

Yes. Like the posts that repeat over and over how cases are low , ignoring the effects measures taken have on these numbers, and that it is only a mild illness , while in the next breath saying they know of noone infected or really sick with Covid .

Goldengirl

lukas8888 wrote: »

Lighten up, Paddygreen added a little humour to the non stop misery and was never taken seriously by anyone bar a few over sensitive types.

You are totally missing the point here.
He's not talking about Paddy but the thread .
Paddy would be the sane one over there

pconn062

Jeez, just do it. Your travelling solo across the country to meet your partner, perfectly valid. Two months without seeing your partner is insane.

John O.Groats

lukas8888 wrote: »

Lighten up, Paddygreen added a little humour to the non stop misery and was never taken seriously by anyone bar a few over sensitive types.

Yes but Paddygreen is a clear and obvious windup merchant and posts accordingly unlike some others on the forum who actually expect to be taken seriously.

Kermit.de.frog

pythonfoot wrote: »

Are we utter pricks for even entertaining the thoughts of flouting the restrictions and going ahead with it .

Yes, yes you are.

Micky 32

pythonfoot wrote: »

I had an anniversary weekend trip booked for Dublin next weekend . Nice restaurant and hotel . Havent seen partner in 2 montHs. I’m travelling across country if I was to go. We had booked it ages ago and thought level 3 in December may not have been a thing .

Are we utter pricks for even entertaining the thoughts of flouting the restrictions and going ahead with it .

A lot of posters on these threads lack any sort of empathy or any human emotion whatsoever and are obsessed with the drama of the virus and nothing else. It’s not acceptable to have not seen your partner for 2 months. Go see him/her or find a way. Thankfully mine 10 km away ( and across the county border)lives on her own and she’s in my “ social bubble”

ThewhiteJesus

The rules are absolute bollo%#s so if it’s just you two and you both feel healthy id go for it, if you’ve waited 2 months you deserve it

normanoffside

pythonfoot wrote: »

I had an anniversary weekend trip booked for Dublin next weekend . Nice restaurant and hotel . Havent seen partner in 2 montHs. I’m travelling across country if I was to go. We had booked it ages ago and thought level 3 in December may not have been a thing .

Are we utter pricks for even entertaining the thoughts of flouting the restrictions and going ahead with it .

You're absolutely crazy to have waited 2 months.

You do know that there is such a thing as a 'support bubble' which was a valid excuse to travel cross country even through level 5?

If your partner is not your support bubble who else is?

Necro

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Plumbthedepths

lukas8888 wrote: »

Lighten up, Paddygreen added a little humour to the non stop misery and was never taken seriously by anyone bar a few over sensitive types.

I thought Paddy's over the top stuff was funny. It was really amusing to see one poster get upset at Paddy's comments yet the same poster trawled the net looking for the most obsure and worrying stuff they could find.

growleaves

I thought Paddy's over the top stuff was funny.

Yeah I thought it was great too. A brilliant satiric parody. This forum is in Social & Fun and in the very early threads there were loads of jokes and pure messing even though it was still possible it could be the New Black Death.

Necro

Mod:

I think we can move on from the discussion of banned posters now folks, take it to PM if you want to continue the discussion. Thanks

ACitizenErased

Thought this was fascinating.
For every COVID case in South Korea they identify 100 contacts.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-south-korea-traces-100-people-for-every-case-and-is-willing-to-share-expertise-with-uk-12143083

bb1234567

Goldengirl wrote: »

You are totally missing the point here.
He's not talking about Paddy but the thread .
Paddy would be the sane one over there

It is an absolutely bizarre thread I didnt even post the news about retail sector sales increasing in 2020 there yesterday because a post like that would ,somehow, probably be construed as trolling because it would be so at odds with the way the rest of them are allowed to go on. I think it would actually drive several of the posters to hysterically enragement to see any even slightly hopeful news be posted that would put restrictions in an any way positive light. They would do their damnedest to tear it apart and somehow put a negative slant on it.

And apparently the people who are worried about covid are the negative doomers. The lack of self awareness is just stunning

Loafing Oaf

Goldengirl wrote: »

How do they not know what is happening in the rest of the world and the science of this pandemic?
Are they less educated than other states or is their information being censored by Republican biased media ?
I can't understand how healthcare workers in other states are up in arms over Trump's mishandling , but not here .

This article is the best explanation I've come across of the mindset in those states:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n22/adam-shatz/why-go-high

Although Trump failed to deliver on his promise to revive American industry, he gave his followers the illusion of power, something they felt they’d been denied under Obama. He spoke powerfully to red America’s understanding of what it calls ‘freedom’...Today it means not having to take responsibility for other people or for the environment. Anti-taxation, deregulation, gun-ownership, ICE raids, Blue Lives Matter and environmental despoliation are its contemporary manifestations. The adherents of this ‘freedom’ don’t seek to build the country but to be left alone – even if it means dying of opioid addiction, or Covid-19. (This was what Mike Pence meant when, in response to a question about virus controls during his debate with Harris, he said that Trump trusts American families to ‘make choices in the best interest of their health’.)

ElJeffe

John O.Groats wrote: »

Absolutely. I find it amazing that anyone takes what the bulk of posters there spew out seriously. Thankfully there are a few sane posters there who do call out the utter BS, otherwise it would be a complete echo chamber.

It's an absolute madhouse on that thread. Actually frightening to see the lack of awareness of some posters.

growleaves

Relaxations thread has gone downhill a bit but it was great, especially during the first lockdown, to have people with strong and articulate views against the restrictions having an extended discussion where things could be fleshed out and all in one place.

Of course now people who doubt the restrictions can be found in every thread on the forum, including this one, so its not as unique.

Danno

When will the novelty of Covid-19 begin to wane?

I get the victim complex of today's society and how that feeds into this machine of harvesting case numbers. As a nation, we really haven't have much excitement since Bonner's save in '90 or the wall-to-wall coverage of 9/11.

Surely though, like everything - it runs it's course. When will Irish people in general begin to shun going for a Covid test and starve the NEPHET machine of its data?

Plumbthedepths

Danno wrote: »

When will the novelty of Covid-19 begin to wane?

I get the victim complex of today's society and how that feeds into this machine of harvesting case numbers. As a nation, we really haven't have much excitement since Bonner's save in '90 or the wall-to-wall coverage of 9/11.

Surely though, like everything - it runs it's course. When will Irish people in general begin to shun going for a Covid test and starve the NEPHET machine of its data?

First global pandemic response driven by Social Media.

Eivor

Danno wrote: »

When will the novelty of Covid-19 begin to wane?

I get the victim complex of today's society and how that feeds into this machine of harvesting case numbers. As a nation, we really haven't have much excitement since Bonner's save in '90 or the wall-to-wall coverage of 9/11.

Surely though, like everything - it runs it's course. When will Irish people in general begin to shun going for a Covid test and starve the NEPHET machine of its data?

I see Iran creeping back into the news. Maybe we’ll start focusing on ongoing wars and geopolitics again

WoollyRedHat

Any chance we can have a thread on discussion and another main thread for just numbers and updates?

Goldengirl

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

This article is the best explanation I've come across of the mindset in those states:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n22/adam-shatz/why-go-high

Thanks, really interesting article , LO.
Scary though that such a high proportion of voting public in America could possibly be thinking that this is ok .

GazzaL

I'm amazed anyone is still taking the restrictions seriously. Most people I know are working flat out, haven't stayed within 5km of their home any day since "Level 5" began, have been in countless different homes and have had visitors from outside their own counties. Pro Tip: If you don't watch RTE, apart from wearing a mask, you can go about your business as normal and COVID is about as relevant as the war in Ethiopia.

zerosugarbuzz

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Any chance we can have a thread on discussion and another main thread for just numbers and updates?

If we could just have numbers of deaths with ages and locations I’d be interested. Cases I’ve no interest in anymore, particularly asymptomatic cases.