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ste · 20-08-2019 10:11pm

dubstepper wrote: »

I have an old house (110 years old). I was looking to get a stove put into an existing fire place. Outside of the cost of the stove itself, I have been quoted nearly 5k for a gas stove and about 6.5k for a wood burner on various installation costs:

New inset and hearth required
Access to roof by cherrypicker (house is tall)
Flexible liner
Probably rebuild of fireplace in workshop
If solid fuel need solid fuel liner and back fill with vermiculite
Also if solid fuel needs raising of opening.

Does this sound reasonable? It seems a lot more than I had been expecting. The total is coming in around 10-12k incl VAT. I am based in Dublin as is the company.

Got a the following materials & install over about 2 days 2015. Fireplace was gutted so clean starting point. Finish was to make good plastering around stove & add border & base.

1 no 9kw vitae multi fuel insert stove
1 no 4 sided frame
1 no granite border
1 no granite Base
1 no flexi flue kit + vermiculite
( ie material to line+ insulate chimney)

Going very well with lots of use since. House is modest Dublin semi-d so output is plenty for us.

Cost about 2.5k back then labour & parts

Forge83 · 20-08-2019 11:27pm

dubstepper wrote: »

I have an old house (110 years old). I was looking to get a stove put into an existing fire place. Outside of the cost of the stove itself, I have been quoted nearly 5k for a gas stove and about 6.5k for a wood burner on various installation costs:

New inset and hearth required
Access to roof by cherrypicker (house is tall)
Flexible liner
Probably rebuild of fireplace in workshop
If solid fuel need solid fuel liner and back fill with vermiculite
Also if solid fuel needs raising of opening.

Does this sound reasonable? It seems a lot more than I had been expecting. The total is coming in around 10-12k incl VAT. I am based in Dublin as is the company.

Absolutely bonkers quote. I could probably give a guess at where you got this quote. As another poster said, shop outside Dublin in Westmeath/Meath/Laois/Kildare etc. Most will be happy to travel to Dublin to do the job.
Smyths Hardware Mullingar and Fordes Kilcock would be two good starting points who I just couldn’t envisage being over 7/8k for a similar quotation.

dubstepper · 21-08-2019 9:36am

Forge83 wrote: »

Smyths Hardware Mullingar and Fordes Kilcock would be two good starting points who I just couldn’t envisage being over 7/8k for a similar quotation.

Thanks for the information. Certainly seems like they are taking p*ss. Will look into those.

Caher123 · 30-08-2019 10:52am

Hi,

I want to install a marble fireplace and cassette stove in a small sitting room. Room is 20sqm with ceiling height of 2.6m, 2 external walls and 2 medium windows. Quite good insulation but its of a cold hallway (single door).

I was thinking the Stovax Riva 50 or the Vitae 6kw? Hoping they wont be too hot.

Any idea of installation prices in a two storey house (to include flexi flue lining etc and fitting the fireplace). Materials seperate.

Thanks

An Ri rua · 07-09-2019 10:05am

Apologies if this question is stickied elsewhere but it's very hard to search from Android, I find.

PS as per post #1, is parts pricing banned also?? If so, apologies but it would seem common sense that if there's a good value option out there, that people aren't paying double prices as is the Irish way. A PM would be appreciated if I am in breach. Though I read that as stove sales and installation?

I need stove glass. Arched, for a Heat Design 04D, similar to a Forewarn 4kw.

Getting quotes of xx, but surely there must be somewhere far more reasonable than that? Maybe thinner thickness options?
Stoveglass.ie, is Bantryglass, was xx delivered. A number of Midlands places quoting mid-xxs for me to bring it to them and then collect....

These prices are double what I imagine to be viable, based on online research.

Any tips appreciated.

Forge83 · 07-09-2019 10:27am

An Ri rua wrote: »

Apologies if this question is stickied elsewhere but it's very hard to search from Android, I find.

PS as per post #1, is parts pricing banned also?? If so, apologies but it would seem common sense that if there's a good value option out there, that people aren't paying double prices as is the Irish way. A PM would be appreciated if I am in breach. Though I read that as stove sales and installation?

I need stove glass. Arched, for a Heat Design 04D, similar to a Forewarn 4kw.

Getting quotes of xx, but surely there must be somewhere far more reasonable than that? Maybe thinner thickness options?
Stoveglass.ie, is Bantryglass, was xx delivered. A number of Midlands places quoting mid-xxs for me to bring it to them and then collect....

These prices are double what I imagine to be viable, based on online research.

Any tips appreciated.

Bantry glass are the cheapest in the country for stove glass. You won’t find cheaper for a curved glass. A square glass would be cheap enough but they are decent prices for curved glass,

An Ri rua · 07-09-2019 11:44am

Forge83 wrote: »

An Ri rua wrote: »

Apologies if this question is stickied elsewhere but it's very hard to search from Android, I find.

PS as per post #1, is parts pricing banned also?? If so, apologies but it would seem common sense that if there's a good value option out there, that people aren't paying double prices as is the Irish way. A PM would be appreciated if I am in breach. Though I read that as stove sales and installation?

I need stove glass. Arched, for a Heat Design 04D, similar to a Forewarn 4kw.

Getting quotes of xx, but surely there must be somewhere far more reasonable than that? Maybe thinner thickness options?
Stoveglass.ie, is Bantryglass, was xx delivered. A number of Midlands places quoting mid-xxs for me to bring it to them and then collect....

These prices are double what I imagine to be viable, based on online research.

Any tips appreciated.

Bantry glass are the cheapest in the country for stove glass. You won’t find cheaper for a curved glass. A square glass would be cheap enough but they are decent prices for curved glass,

Thanks for that. Appreciated.
Arched, not curved though.

An Ri rua · 10-09-2019 11:14am

Can anyone advise if they know of anyone removing the flue collar from an insert stove in order to get it to sit back flush against a Milner (arched) fireback?
I don't plan on using a clue, perhaps an adaptor.
But then I probably need the flue collar for the adaptor?
I'd just shinny out the stove twice a year and clean any debris on top. Though I burn very clean wood fuel.

Anyone have any solutions for ainsert that won't fit due to a fireback? Is there perhaps a surround insert that could be placed between the insert and the fire surround to achieve a seal? Like a giant washer!!

Forge83 · 10-09-2019 4:25pm

An Ri rua wrote: »

Can anyone advise if they know of anyone removing the flue collar from an insert stove in order to get it to sit back flush against a Milner (arched) fireback?
I don't plan on using a clue, perhaps an adaptor.
But then I probably need the flue collar for the adaptor?
I'd just shinny out the stove twice a year and clean any debris on top. Though I burn very clean wood fuel.

Anyone have any solutions for ainsert that won't fit due to a fireback? Is there perhaps a surround insert that could be placed between the insert and the fire surround to achieve a seal? Like a giant washer!!

Just take out the fireback, it’s not needed. Stove will fit fine then and connect safely.

An Ri rua · 10-09-2019 8:08pm

Forge83 wrote: »

An Ri rua wrote: »

Can anyone advise if they know of anyone removing the flue collar from an insert stove in order to get it to sit back flush against a Milner (arched) fireback?
I don't plan on using a clue, perhaps an adaptor.
But then I probably need the flue collar for the adaptor?
I'd just shinny out the stove twice a year and clean any debris on top. Though I burn very clean wood fuel.

Anyone have any solutions for ainsert that won't fit due to a fireback? Is there perhaps a surround insert that could be placed between the insert and the fire surround to achieve a seal? Like a giant washer!!

Just take out the fireback, it’s not needed. Stove will fit fine then and connect safely.

What about other options if leaving the fireback in, thanks.

Apologies for typos. Bloody phone

rpmcs · 10-09-2019 8:22pm

An Ri rua wrote: »

What about other options if leaving the fireback in, thanks.

Apologies for typos. Bloody phone

Why do you not want to take fireback out?
Leaving it in leaves you very restricted in my opinion.

An Ri rua · 10-09-2019 10:04pm

rpmcs wrote: »

An Ri rua wrote: »

What about other options if leaving the fireback in, thanks.

Apologies for typos. Bloody phone

Why do you not want to take fireback out?
Leaving it in leaves you very restricted in my opinion.

Just want to see the options. It's an almost new fireback

Uriel. · 15-09-2019 11:59pm

is there any such thing as a stove fan for an inset stove?

Forge83 · 16-09-2019 12:08am

Uriel. wrote: »

is there any such thing as a stove fan for an inset stove?

Most inset stoves should be convection based so should not require a fan.
Some very large insets above 10/12kw May have a fan to remove the heat quicker from the stove to prevent damage to stove.

Mickeroo · 16-09-2019 12:11am

Uriel. wrote: »

is there any such thing as a stove fan for an inset stove?

There is: http://stovefanreviews.com/product/sirocco-plus-stove-fan/

No idea how effective they are.

The lips · 16-09-2019 7:40am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Uriel. wrote: »

is there any such thing as a stove fan for an inset stove?

There is: http://stovefanreviews.com/product/sirocco-plus-stove-fan/

No idea how effective they are.

Only one review on Amazon and it is a negative one but I am curious.

Surprised another manufacturer didn't fabricate brackets to hold there own fan on an inset.

Uriel. · 16-09-2019 10:03am

Thanks folks.
Was mainly curious. Have a stovax Riva inset and with a narrowish long sitting room so was just thinking of warm air distribution

Caher123 · 17-09-2019 3:25pm

Just wondering if you can tell me if a granite insert is fitted between a fireplace surround and an inset stove is it likely to crack? I realise it has to be jointed for expansion, which I'm fine with. Supplier is recommending a black matt plate but I'm not fond of the look. They say the granite can still crack.
Thank you

Commissar · 02-10-2019 4:02pm

I'm sure it's been asked but on a thread this long I can't tell.

What have been the experiences with double sided, multi-fuel, insert/tunnel style stoves? Like http://www.thestovedepot.ie/index.php?id_product=121&controller=product&id_lang=1

I'm looking for a stove but am worried that the heating a large space on one side and a smaller space on the other might consume a lot of fuel.

john_doe. · 03-10-2019 10:57pm

Any decent hand held vacuums out there for clearing out Ash pan when dry

The ash vac's are big awkward plug in jobs , there looks to be a DeWalt vac I saw on net.

Most annoying part of owning a stove is the cleaning

Muahahaha · 04-10-2019 1:38pm

The lips wrote: »

Only one review on Amazon and it is a negative one but I am curious.

Surprised another manufacturer didn't fabricate brackets to hold there own fan on an inset.

Stove fans pop up in Aldi/Lidl in their middle aisles for around €25, I'd expect to see them in November or so. Never used one myself but a couple of posters on the Aldi thread got them and said they worked well at distributing hot air. And if it doesnt work well for you then Aldi/Lidl are easy going with returning stuff for a full refund.

Shefwedfan · 04-10-2019 7:01pm

bit of a strange question, have removed a Green 8kWh solid fuel stove.

I got out of sitting room but back is fecked and arm is killing. The thing weights a serious amount. My plan of lifting into the car and bringing to scarp merchants.....so does anyone know if companies will pick them up?

Agent_47 · 05-10-2019 9:26am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

bit of a strange question, have removed a Green 8kWh solid fuel stove.

I got out of sitting room but back is fecked and arm is killing. The thing weights a serious amount. My plan of lifting into the car and bringing to scarp merchants.....so does anyone know if companies will pick them up?

Leave it outside your house or gate and it will be gone in a few days

Shefwedfan · 05-10-2019 1:41pm

Agent_47 wrote: »

Leave it outside your house or gate and it will be gone in a few days

Don’t really want to invite that type around our area

john_doe. · 06-10-2019 11:35am

john_doe. wrote: »

Any decent hand held vacuums out there for clearing out Ash pan when cool

The ash vac's are big awkward plug in jobs , there looks to be a DeWalt vac I saw on net.

Most annoying part of owning a stove is the cleaning

Any one have smart way of cleaning?

Shefwedfan · 07-10-2019 11:14pm

john_doe. wrote: »

Any one have smart way of cleaning?

Tell the wife to do it

Water John · 07-10-2019 11:32pm

The cleaning brush might be shoved in the wrong place.

taytobreath · 10-10-2019 5:31pm

I eventually want to upgrade my stove to a bigger one. Is there an adapter you can get because if I was to upgrade the chimney flue would have to be in a different place and bigger maybe.

Forge83 · 10-10-2019 7:10pm

taytobreath wrote: »

I eventually want to upgrade my stove to a bigger one. Is there an adapter you can get because if I was to upgrade the chimney flue would have to be in a different place and bigger maybe.

If you mean adapt a new 6” wide flue into the old 5” flue, no you cannot get an adapter as it’s against regulations. The smoke would not be able to leave the stove fast enough increasing the chance of carbon monoxide poisoning.

If you mean just adapt the 6” flue into the clay pot, yes you can get an 8 to 6” clay adaptor/reducer.

ravendude · 13-10-2019 8:50pm

Hello,

Was set on a wood burning stove, - but some quotes are coming in very high indeed.
One reason is I am needing 2 stories/floors of double wall flue. Price is coming in at c. 5K with installation etc for a nice Scandinavian wood burner, a big stretch on budget tbh.

Just noticed that there are some very nice looking gas stoves ( Gazco looks well) that look similar to wood burners.
How do these compare to wood burners in terms of running and installation costs? I used to hear gas fires burnt money years ago. Not sure is this the case nowadays?

Thanks!

Forge83 · 13-10-2019 9:03pm

ravendude wrote: »

Hello,

Was set on a wood burning stove, - but some quotes are coming in very high indeed.
One reason is I am needing 2 stories/floors of double wall flue. Price is coming in at c. 5K with installation etc for a nice Scandinavian wood burner, a big stretch on budget tbh.

Just noticed that there are some very nice looking gas stoves ( Gazco looks well) that look similar to wood burners.
How do these compare to wood burners in terms of running and installation costs? I used to hear gas fires burnt money years ago. Not sure is this the case nowadays?

Thanks!

You can add about 2k to the 5k for a gas cylindrical installed with two storey of twin wall.

ravendude · 13-10-2019 9:17pm

Forge83 wrote: »

You can add about 2k to the 5k for a gas cylindrical installed with two storey of twin wall.

What about a balanced flue stove ? Like this. Thought it could just go out the wall.
Not sure if there would be some kind of "mock" flue going up then or how that works?

Would need to run a gas line to the location though for 10 metres or so though, I think.

rpmcs · 13-10-2019 11:12pm

ravendude wrote: »

What about a balanced flue stove ? Like this. Thought it could just go out the wall.
Not sure if there would be some kind of "mock" flue going up then or how that works?

Would need to run a gas line to the location though for 10 metres or so though, I think.

Something like this with balanced flue straight out back would be about €2500 plus installation cost.
But gas stoves are very efficient now,, especially balanced flue in my opinion.

blue note · 14-10-2019 4:32pm

Forgive me if these questions have been answered, but I scanned through a few pages and didn't see them and don't want to go through 300 pages. Man stoves are popular!

I have two questions 1. On the flue requirements and 2. On size.

To start with size as it's easier it's going into living room / dining room. Combined they'd be about 28m². However, the stairs to upstairs are in the dining room, so lots of heat will go up there. My concern is that if we get a very big one, we'll be very near it in the living room section (separated by an arch, so not separated at all from a heat perspective). But since lots of heat will be going into the dining room and upstairs, I don't think it can be too small. Would an 8kw be about right?

And the flue.... The stove would be located in the corner of a flat roof extension, furthest from the pitched roof of the house. So the flue would be a distance of approx 3.5 metres from the bottom of the pitched roof. My concern is that it would be unsightly in the garden if it has to go up too high there and would block sea views for our next door neighbour. How high would this need to be? And if it needs to be high, is it possible to run it horizontally along the flat roof so that it goes vertical when it meets the pitched roof?

That's in advance if anyone wants to give opinions!

ravendude · 14-10-2019 9:36pm

rpmcs wrote: »

Something like this with balanced flue straight out back would be about €2500 plus installation cost.
But gas stoves are very efficient now,, especially balanced flue in my opinion.

Thanks.
Any thoughts on Gazko vs Faber in terms of quality? Like the look of the Faber Vasko but some Gazko look well too.

Gazko/Stovax reviews on trust pilot for after service don't inspire my with confidence to be honest.

greenbamboo · 17-10-2019 5:29pm

Hi, Im in the process of replacing my old stanley errigal boiler cooker for just a solid fuel non boiler stanley lismore 12kw stove and just set the oil to come on more often rather then constantly having to feed a boiler stove to heat rads.

Would any of ye recommend the stanley lismore 12kw non boiler stove or should i just go for the stanley reginald to heat 12 rads in your opinion and not use oil as much?

chuck eastwood · 17-10-2019 6:10pm

greenbamboo wrote: »

Hi, Im in the process of replacing my old stanley errigal boiler cooker for just a solid fuel non boiler stanley lismore 12kw stove and just set the oil to come on more often rather then constantly having to feed a boiler stove to heat rads.

Would any of ye recommend the stanley lismore 12kw non boiler stove or should i just go for the stanley reginald to heat 12 rads in your opinion and not use oil as much?

Little food for thought. I have the boiler lismore used with system link. I hit the oil heating for 20 mins to get the rads up to temp them the lismore can comfortably keep 11 rads warm on its own without a massive amount of fuel.
My dad has the Reginald and his heart is broken with in. Completely different set up but if you're is plumbed correctly then the lismore will do the job. If it's a savage cold day I just hit boost on the oil to give it a helping hand

Acey10 · 24-10-2019 3:07pm

Hi, looking at getting a henley apollo 5kw, any one any advice or experience? Thanks

tcif · 24-10-2019 3:11pm

Acey10 wrote: »

Hi, looking at getting a henley apollo 5kw, any one any advice or experience? Thanks

Not with the apollo but we have two other Henley stoves and they're excellent so could definitely recommend the brand.

Bruthal · 24-10-2019 3:14pm

I put 2 henley achill stoves in, one with a heat genie.

Both stoves great.

Mickiemcfist · 24-10-2019 4:16pm

I've spent over an hour going through this thread to try figure out what must be a fairly simple question, so sorry if it's come up before:

I've got a standard 25 y/o 4 bed semi detached with a regular fireplace. Can I just knock out the existing fireplace & put in an inset coal/wood burning stove & connect with an adaptor to the existing ceramic liner?

I would be adding a CM alarm to the room also & it's well ventilated.

Shefwedfan · 24-10-2019 5:32pm

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

I've spent over an hour going through this thread to try figure out what must be a fairly simple question, so sorry if it's come up before:

I've got a standard 25 y/o 4 bed semi detached with a regular fireplace. Can I just knock out the existing fireplace & put in an inset coal/wood burning stove & connect with an adaptor to the existing ceramic liner?

I would be adding a CM alarm to the room also & it's well ventilated.

Yes

I done it in previous house. Insert stove and it was brill. The guy looked at flue and it was perfect so just connected without a flexi flue....but then my flue had a electric heater in it and was probably never used.....most companies will put in flexi

limnam · 24-10-2019 6:09pm

What are the best places to get 2+ year dried wood?

It seems the majority places are 1 year

bobbyss · 26-10-2019 7:33am

Not sure if this has been asked before but how much to get stove cleaned on aversge?

Foleyart · 31-10-2019 1:12pm

Hi there, I put in a henley 8kw stove in my kitchen at the beginning of the year. It has a great output of heat and manages to heat the whole house when going for a day. However it goes through timber like s**t through a goose. The installer did not put in a damper on the chimney and I think this is the problem. Should I install a damper on the chimney ?? When I asked the installer about it at the time he said there wasn't one on the stove.

Forge83 · 31-10-2019 6:59pm

Foleyart wrote: »

Hi there, I put in a henley 8kw stove in my kitchen at the beginning of the year. It has a great output of heat and manages to heat the whole house when going for a day. However it goes through timber like s**t through a goose. The installer did not put in a damper on the chimney and I think this is the problem. Should I install a damper on the chimney ?? When I asked the installer about it at the time he said there wasn't one on the stove.

It is against installation regulations to install a damper on a flue.
The stoves damper per say is its air inlets primary and secondary. So if they are open fully it will eat fuel. These should only be opened fully to get the fire going and then should be almost closed when fire is going.
If you are already doing this then it is most likely you have an excessive updraught in your chimney. A chimney liner or anti draught cowl may help here but it varies from chimney to chimney depending on the location.

Foleyart · 01-11-2019 1:12pm

Hi Forge83. Thanks for your input. I think it is the excessive updraught that is the problem. I always operate it with both inlets closed. The installer did actually put in a chimney liner and that filler vermiculite. He also put a chimney cap on to stop the rain. Would you suggest an anti draught cowl ? the house is on the brow of a hill in connamara where there is a constant wind.

guest2018 · 01-11-2019 4:36pm

Hi,
Is it allowed to install stoves in apartments in Ireland?
I live in a two-story penthouse with a private roof garden. I would like to set a stove with chimney through the wall outside to the roof garden.
But the management company "would not be happy to permit the installation of a wood burning stove in the property".
Does anyone install stoves in multi-units buildings in apartments?

Thanks in advance.

Forge83 · 01-11-2019 6:33pm

Foleyart wrote: »

Hi Forge83. Thanks for your input. I think it is the excessive updraught that is the problem. I always operate it with both inlets closed. The installer did actually put in a chimney liner and that filler vermiculite. He also put a chimney cap on to stop the rain. Would you suggest an anti draught cowl ? the house is on the brow of a hill in connamara where there is a constant wind.

Yes something like this is worth trying.

https://www.chimneycowls.eu/product/static-anti-draft-chimney-cowl__trashed-2/

Acey10 · 02-11-2019 12:32pm

bobbyss wrote: »

Not sure if this has been asked before but how much to get stove cleaned on aversge?

Dog u mwant the chimney?

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