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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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    #3092
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭jackboy


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Greta needs new writers

    She sounded deranged today

    Did a lot of damage to her cause

    It was clear from her language that at least some of the speech was written by others. Her advisors have ramped up her fear and seem to be increasing her stress levels. Parts of her speech included threatening language which is different to what I have heard from her before. I think her speeches have peaked now. She cannot go further without inciting violence (very close to that today).


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    #3093
    Tell me how
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Well I haven’t carried out extensive research as to the trustworthiness of institutions worldwide but the UN, EU and British parliament are hardly to be held up as paragons of virtue.

    4th time (this is very interesting)

    So, who do you trust to be virtuous?

    (You can just say no one, you live with the expectation (fear maybe) that everyone is out to get you. It would explain the irrational hatred for a 16 year old girl)


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    #3094
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    So anyway today I stole a kids childhood and their dreams, I'm selling them on Adverts if anyone is interested


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    #3095
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    is_that_so wrote: »
    How are these things connected or are you really implying the latter caused the former?

    I said it was other news. But who am I to stop people from coming to their own conclusions.


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    #3096
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Are you a dentist, Dr, mechanic, electrician, etc?

    Do you everything you need in life yourself or do you trust the work of others at any point?

    Does this mean you have carried out climate and environment experiments and studies to be able to present a reasonable view point on the topic or are you admitting you have just relied solely on your own gut feeling?

    So you blindly follow any “expert”?

    The people I trust have a proven track record, have proven their competencies to me. Can you say that about the “institutions” of government anywhere?


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    #3097
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Tell me how wrote: »
    What Greta is saying is; the scientists say there needs to be action, unite behind the science and come up with meaningful actions.

    She talks about reducing the use of fossil fuels, because that is something which is commonly said.... by scientists.

    She went all the way to America to say that, what a numpty


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    #3098
    Tell me how
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    NSAman wrote: »
    So you blindly follow any “expert”?

    The people I trust have a proven track record, have proven their competencies to me. Can you say that about the “institutions” of government anywhere?

    So I guess you agree with the scientists calling for action on climate change so.

    You and Greta are on the same page.


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    #3099
    Tell me how
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    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    She went all the way to America to say that, what a numpty

    Nobody would travel anywhere for a speech ever if it boiled down to something which could have been communicated over a video link or by email.

    Has Greta's action been the tipping point where people will no longer tolerate any travel which was not absolutely necessary. She'll definitely count that as a success.


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    #3100
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Tell me how wrote: »
    So I guess you agree with the scientists calling for action on climate change so.

    You and Greta are on the same page.
    Hardly... “experts” notice the word is different.

    Proven is also a clue in what I have written.

    Currently, Greta and I are about as far apart as you and I in what I have written.

    Now answer MY question....


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    #3101
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    I don’t trust anyone or anything until they’ve proven themselves to me.

    Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith like with a surgeon or a new mechanic but that’s not the same as trusting them.

    Having watched Greta in that clip I just feel lectured by her parents tbh but then I’m a skeptic so I’m not her audience anyway. I just can’t figure out which bits were genuine and which were forced. None of it was convincing.

    Either way, she’s clearly very emotional and if it was my own daughter I’d be getting concerned for her mental wellbeing at this stage.


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    #3102
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Defo mentally unstable and her parents should be done for child abuse


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    #3103
    Tell me how
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    NSAman wrote: »
    Hardly... “experts” notice the word is different.

    Proven is also a clue in what I have written.

    Currently, Greta and I are about as far apart as you and I in what I have written.

    Now answer MY question....

    A - If the scientists who contributed to the IPCC report and have extensive academic peer reviewed research to their names are not experts, what are they? What do you need to do to be considered an expert, in your view.

    B - Yes, there are many governmental institutions to be trusted by and large. You have to assess them on their merits on each topic but by and large the fact they function without repeated determination that they deliberately lied to the public, they can be considered truthful.


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    #3104
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    “Youve stolen my dreams”

    Whatever marxist think tank is funding her should sack that speech writer

    She had a meltdown talking at the marina when she supposedly sailed across the Atlantic. She seems to be on some medication today as she is way more cocky, talking nonsense but cocky.


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    #3105
    Tell me how
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    The Bishop Basher wrote: »
    I don’t trust anyone or anything until they’ve proven themselves to me.

    Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith like with a surgeon or a new mechanic but that’s not the same as trusting them.

    Having watched Greta in that clip I just feel lectured by her parents tbh but then I’m a skeptic so I’m not her audience anyway. I just can’t figure out which bits were genuine and which were forced. None of it was convincing.

    Either way, she’s clearly very emotional and if it was my own daughter I’d be getting concerned for her mental wellbeing at this stage.

    There's no question but that this must be difficult for her.

    I'd say she'd much rather people considered the central tenet of her message rather than expressing faux concern for her while continuously undermining her and questioning her right to have an opinion.


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    #3106
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Nobody would travel anywhere for a speech ever if it boiled down to something which could have been communicated over a video link or by email.

    Has Greta's action been the tipping point where people will no longer tolerate any travel which was not absolutely necessary. She'll definitely count that as a success.

    Are you a Greta worshipper?


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    #3107
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Tell me how wrote: »
    A - If the scientists who contributed to the IPCC report and have extensive academic peer reviewed research to their names are not experts, what are they? What do you need to do to be considered an expert, in your view.

    B - Yes, there are many governmental institutions to be trusted by and large. You have to assess them on their merits on each topic but by and large the fact they function without repeated determination that they deliberately lied to the public, they can be considered truthful.

    So you believe everything you are told by “experts”.

    Academic peer reviewed....words that send shivers down my spine.

    You trust Governmental Institutions also... thanks.... tells me what I need to know.... thank you.


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    #3108
    Tell me how
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    The Bishop Basher wrote: »
    I don’t trust anyone or anything until they’ve proven themselves to me.

    Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith like with a surgeon or a new mechanic but that’s not the same as trusting them.

    Having watched Greta in that clip I just feel lectured by her parents tbh but then I’m a skeptic so I’m not her audience anyway. I just can’t figure out which bits were genuine and which were forced. None of it was convincing.

    Either way, she’s clearly very emotional and if it was my own daughter I’d be getting concerned for her mental wellbeing at this stage.

    Greta is explicitly saying, 'trust the scientists' Why do you have a problem with that message given that the basis for building trust in any scientists is a combination of their professional and academic qualifications. She is not suggesting she is a scientist or has any answers.


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    #3109
    Tell me how
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    NSAman wrote: »
    So you believe everything you are told by “experts”.

    Academic peer reviewed....words that send shivers down my spine.

    You trust Governmental Institutions also... thanks.... tells me what I need to know.... thank you.

    I'll go with the above rather than a gut feeling of some sort thanks.


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    #3110
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    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    She had a meltdown talking at the marina when she supposedly sailed across the Atlantic. She seems to be on some medication today as she is way more cocky, talking nonsense but cocky.

    Wow.
    'This girl has no right to talk about climate problems, I mean what could she know about any of it.
    But I can deduce that she is on medication based on watching a clip of her on TV.'


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    #3111
    The Bishop Basher
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    I'd say she'd much rather people considered the central tenet of her message rather than expressing faux concern for her while continuously undermining her and questioning her right to have an opinion.

    Whatever her message is, scolding, lecturing and talking down to people in that manner will not get it across effectively, if at all.

    And I haven’t seen anyone question her right to an opinion.

    I have however seen them question the fact that she’s being allowed to state those opinions as facts unchallenged.


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    #3112
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    I wish she could use her massive outreach to show people simple ways they can live more sustainably. Wouldn’t that have more impact than selfies in New York and posts of speeches at the UN ?


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    #3113
    sabat
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    I just watched the speech there-she appears to be on some form of medication. The last couple of lines where she basically issues a direct threat to all older people was one of the vilest pieces of incitement I've ever seen.


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    #3114
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    is_that_so wrote: »
    In fairness she has not chosen to be the head of anything. Others have done that. The school strike idea did capture the imagination of kids and that's a good thing in its own right in the sense that it may produce a generation more mindful of the need to change. But there are no guarantees of that either.

    Schools strikes wasn’t her idea.


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    #3115
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    The only ones who stole her childhood were her demented Marxist parents.


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    #3116
    Tell me how
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    The Bishop Basher wrote: »
    Whatever her message is, scolding, lecturing and talking down to people in that manner will not get it across effectively, if at all.

    And I haven’t seen anyone question her right to an opinion.

    I have however seen them question the fact that she’s being allowed to state those opinions as facts unchallenged.

    She was challenged by her opinions at the US congress last week.


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    #3117
    drunkmonkey
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    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1176149492698992641?s=09


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    #3118
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    The only ones who stole her childhood were her demented Marxist parents.

    She has autism and has rich parents, being as articulate as she is shows a really good outcome because of her parents wealth

    If we are talking about stolen childhoods the children working in sweatshops around the world to feed the consumer economy that pollutes the world get first dibs on that one.

    It actually underpins why there is resistance to her, as it comes across as a carefully manufactured charade and is disingenuous.


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    #3119
    Tell me how
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    The only ones who stole her childhood were her demented Marxist parents.

    Travelling throughout Europe and now to america, nominated for Nobel prize, winner of countless other prizes, speaking at EU, UN, US congress, UK HoC, leader of largest coordinated protest in human history.

    I'd say many parents and children would not see that as a stolen childhood.

    I've no doubt she will have her pick of top universities on scholarship should she wish to go to any of them.

    No doubt it is different and difficult (and will get harder) but she has wanted to take the lead on this and the opportunities opened up to her.


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    #3120
    topper75
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    MarquisDeSad wrote: »
    Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.

    Same as the emotive ire Donald Trump got when he became President of the U.S.

    It's all pantomime nowadays. I think opting out of following the global 'news' isn't far away for me at all.


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    #3121
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Facing down a child's opinion in public is not a winner for any adult. You just look like a bully. Usually letting them blow it off is the best approach.

    The good old clever clogs in the RC had this down way back: Fatima, Medjegorje etc. Wheel out the kids to the media. "Ye must repent".


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