Nintendo: General Discussion

geotrig · 28-06-2017 1:14pm

get over it !! :pac:

sligeach · 28-06-2017 1:16pm

geotrig wrote: »

get over it !! :pac:

This comment and your last says you can't be taken seriously.

Banjo · 28-06-2017 1:17pm

I know you're hurting... but you have to let the pain go or your life is going to be like the Movie "Jacob's Ladder" but with more Goombas and Yoshis.

They still have the option of a 3DS replacement in a year and a half, two years with 2 screens, something like the power of the Switch split between them with more battery life. Imagine how "butthurt" all the Switch owners will feel then! They could even release a dual screen Switch... with a bastardised franken-screen attachment triples the depth of the original system while adding a battery pack to the back and a top screen clamshell...

sligeach · 28-06-2017 1:23pm

I feel it anything new is coming down the line in a couple of years it'll be a dedicated home Switch with a significant boost in power. The Switch will be their portable, it is their portable. Nintendo just won't admit though because of 3DS.

CiDeRmAn · 28-06-2017 1:34pm

Banjo wrote: »

I notice you're avoiding the GC to the Wii, interestingly - if ever there was an argument for a Revision, that surely was it, wiimotes notwithstanding.

No, that's a good example of new hardware that was, in fact, more like a hardware revision/update, and serves to demonstrate why the WiiU -> Switch is not such a thing.
It's simply wrong to suggest the Switch is a hardware update, end of.

CiDeRmAn · 28-06-2017 1:36pm

sligeach wrote: »

Meanwhile PS4 and XB1 are still here. Nintendo have had 2 go's at this generation. €700 later and it's still basically the same power(same crappy 32GB's of memory storage too) and 3rd party support is just as bad. That's good going.

No, the Switch and WiiU are nothing alike, so stop flogging that one please.

If you dislike Nintendo so much why bother owning one?
Again and again you declare how their hardware disappoints you, how their software disappoints you, is it not time to just move onto a format that aligns more with your expectations?

sligeach wrote: »

I've talked about that before. We all know the jokes about 2 Gamecubes stuck together. The Wii remote was originally going to be a Gamecube peripheral. But it was too late and like the Wii U, Nintendo seen the Gamecube as a failure. Better to start afresh. The Wii allowed for things like a browser, Mii's, Virtual Console, etc that Gamecube wouldn't have been able to do. But in terms of power, the Wii U to Switch feels very much like Gamecube to Wii.

The Wii wasn't a huge gamble for them. It was kind of an experiment I feel, and it worked. Nintendo had the DS should it have failed. If the Switch fails? It doesn't have the 3DS, that's coming to the end of its life. The Switch is the be all and end all. They can't afford to let this fail. Still, you'd wonder what they're at in some regards.

I've likewise talked about how Nintendo could only afford to save either the 3DS or the Wii U. They chose the 3DS. If I was in their shoes I'd do the same but I can still be p1$$ed off as a consumer. They f***ed up, not me. I gave them all the support and it feels like we've been given an almighty kick in the balls.

You can be p1ssed off, and you've made those feelings clear.
But you really don't speak for the majority out there, with the Switch being a sales success and the games the same.
You might feel that you have received a kick to the nethers, but not many others appear to agree with you.

Banjo · 28-06-2017 1:46pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

No, that's a good example of new hardware that was, in fact, more like a hardware revision/update, and serves to demonstrate why the WiiU -> Switch is not such a thing.
It's simply wrong to suggest the Switch is a hardware update, end of.

You just agreed with me. Why did you start with "No"?

The argument for the Switch as a hardware update is more about concepts then the electronics (in my opinion, but I'm playing devil's advocate here) - the initial tests and impressions put it at roughly the power of a WiiU and the form factor is like a Wii U that's not tethered to a base unit. Conceptually surely you can see how there's a case to be made for the Revisionite school of thought?

Having said that, the public are buying the Switch, that more than anything shows that this is not, in the main, seen as a revision or update of the previous console but as a separate commercial entity. That's something the WiiU always struggled with. If the average man on the street can see it, and we all know how thick they are, surely we can too?

Edit : but for the record, I'm Team Kicked Balls all the way.

Hey - can we divert the subject back to happier things? Got a mail from Amazon US about a Mayflash USB adapter for NES and SNES controllers - are these a new thing? Might be an interesting option for the VC / NESflix whenever it goes live... Although I wouldn't be surprised to see Ninty bring out a USB hub for plugging in Wii-mote-style-plugged accessories (NES and SNES mini, classic controller, classic controller pro and you could probably play a NES game with a nunchuck... )

CiDeRmAn · 28-06-2017 7:03pm

Concerning happier things,
I can whole heartedly recommend Jackbox for those with gatherings, it's a lot of fun with people crowded around the Switch.
Also, there was a suggestion that the game was too US centric to be playable here, but it's not the case.

Looking forward to Redout right now, should be released at the end of August.
A nice Wipeout alternative, looking a little better than Fast RMX too.

Victor McDade · 28-06-2017 8:02pm

I'm relatively new to posting in the Nintendo forum but for those here who feel like they were shafted by Nintendo, may I ask why?
The Wii U came out in 2012 but 3rd parties didn't ever want to know. Still, it has some absolutely brilliant games. They still work, don't they? It's not like they were taken back from you when the Switch came along.
Since the NES, Nintendo have released a new home system every 5/6 years so a replacement was coming regardless of the success of the Wii U. It's not like there was still a chance that sales would sky rocket at this stage and that third parties would then get on board. Wii U failed commercially, and financially it was a disaster for the company. They had to do something to try stop the rot. How long could they expect to live off the 3DS revenue? Had they not brought out the Switch they'd be sinking deeper financially with every quarter. No one would want that to continue to the point that they had to consider being a software-only developer, right?
The gaming world needs Nintendo being successful and being innovative with their hardware risks. Anyone really believe the next gen Sony & Microsoft machines will be anything other than upgraded processors and RAM? Unless maybe they borrow some ideas from Nintendo.
Think they're a rip-off? They're selling the Switch for $43 more than it costs to make it. That excludes other costs like R&D, advertising, shipping and wages to name all that immediately come to mind. Yes, the dock is way more expensive than it needs to be but there are other third party options coming and a second dock is not a must-have anyway. They are a business, they exist to make money for their shareholders. To accuse them of being greedy (and ignoring the others) seems a bit narrow minded and biased maybe.

I own a Wii U and still play MK8 on it. It has some of the best games on the market, some of which can be bought at serious bargain prices now. Enjoy your games and your console, they are still as good as they were on March 2nd. If one day Nintendo folded as a company, I honestly think the gaming world would be a much more boring, uninspired place. We should thank our lucky stars they give us a different option TBH

sligeach · 29-06-2017 12:03am

The Wii U lasted 4 years. The Wii lasted 6 years. But in reality they were both dead long before that. And why? Weak hardware compared to the competition. 3rd parties saying we're not putting up with this. Where are they now?

The XBOX360 came out a year before the Wii and was still getting major releases a year after the Wii U launched. The Wii U had far better support than Switch currently has. They did want to know but quickly jumped ship. Nintendo did nothing to save the sinking ship so why should they? It's not their console. I said the Wii U was doomed before it launched and it came to pass. The Switch is a hard one to figure out because it's a mix but ultimately I think it'll be a failure too. It'll do better than Wii U. That's not saying much though. Its destiny isn't completely written unlike Wii U's. Price and 3rd party support are crucial. Otherwise it's like Wii U, great 1st party games, some indies and a few 3rd party games.

And what is the innovation of the Switch? It has 2 and I'm not mad on either. Maybe people can tell me innovations I'm missing. 1 is HD Rumble. Don't care and don't really hear anyone talk about it. It's a forgettable gimmick. And 2 is two controllers on the Switch. But you don't really end up with any controller being great. It's got compromise written all over it. You've 2 little controllers that are cramped and need a grip to make it more comfortable and to press the shoulder buttons easier. And the main controller for one person is again compromised with no D pad, button placement and a grip needed to play on the TV. Or you can spend €80 more for a normal controller.

It's very hard to put a number on its total hardware sales. Could be 25 million, could be 50 million but I doubt it. And there are some talking of Wii like numbers. Not a chance. If I was to guess I'd say 25-30 million right now. It's a very Japanese orientated device and it getting its real launch in the Japanese Direct was telling. It'll do best in Japan, they go nuts for handhelds. I think it'll last 4 years like Wii U and won't ever get proper 3rd party support, some may dip their toe in but they'll quickly leave.

It's just my opinion, not fact. So nobody need go mad or get defensive. And I'd love to be completely wrong.

Banjo · 29-06-2017 12:43am

What he said, about sinking ship and Nintendo's attitude to saving the WiiU. And to add to it, the Switch's catalogue feels like hastily kicked gravel on a shallow dirt grave.

But i have to disagree with you : those tiny controllers are grand.

Buy one. If only because not having one precludes you from feeling betrayed if the Switch is belly up in 3 1/2 years time...

Corholio · 29-06-2017 12:43am

The main innovation of the Switch is the portability, not sure why you'd not mention that? I understand you aren't a portable player but a big number of people are enjoying this use of it. The HD Rumble isn't an out in front innovation, it's just something that they put in. It's a nice little feature when it's used good but it's hardly something they have pushed as groundbreaking. Using the 2 joy con separate is not something they have pushed hugely either, it's just another option controller wise.

The Wii U message was convoluted from the start and never recovered for a few reasons from there. It's been much clearer with the Switch use wise. This is what it does...and a lot of people have bought into the idea. The Switch is only 4 months old, talking support in absolute terms v Wii U is very early.

Personally I'm really enjoying the Switch and I'd recommend it to anyone, it has actually converted me into a much more portable player than I thought because of how streamlined the tech is. It's not the PS4, Xbox but it's not trying to be. Of the big 3 going into next year I can see Microsoft having it more tricky than Nintendo, despite having a more powerful console.

sligeach · 29-06-2017 1:40am

Ah yes, I meant to mention that portability isn't an innovation. Handheld games consoles have been around since the late 80's.

Corholio · 29-06-2017 1:51am

Right...

Well I've pretty much said all I would want to say about the benefits etc of the Switch so no real point in treading already travelled ground in regards to it.

Victor McDade · 29-06-2017 3:41am

Third parties were on board with the Wii U initially because of the success of the Wii. Once sales collapsed they lost interest of course. I understand what you're saying about Nintendo allowing the ship to sink but I'll go back to my point that the were suffering financially in the last couple of years and the irresponsible thing would have been to not try correct that. They are a company with shareholders and over 5000 employees, they have a resposibility to those people and their families moreso than to the customers who bought their hardware 5 years ago and now feel abandoned because they chose to try steady the ship.
Sligeach, you say you're a huge Nintendo fan but you constantly predict failure to the point that I think most observers would assume you secretly want the Switch to fail for whatever reason. But I know you've already denied that in the past so no need to repeat youself. I agree it won't sell anywhere near the 100 million that the Wii sold, maybe even half that is being optimistic but that shouldn't be a banchmark to determine success/failure. Millions of those Wii units were impulse purchases by casual gamers which were left to gather dust after no time at all.
As for innovation, there's nothing more to say, you aren't interested in the portable nature of the console and that's fine, but you are in a minority there. As for HD rumble, it may turn out to be a gimmick but as with your prediction of failure, its subjective to say that at the moment. The system is still only 4 months old!
I said before that we need to give third parties time to consider the Switch. I don't blame them for not wanting to get burned again like they did with the Wii U. There was a lot of uncertainty about how this console would be received but thankfully, so far, demand seems high. If there's no interest by the time E3 2018 comes around then at that point we can agree that they're not interested. We just don't know what's being worked on though so we can't assume third parties are staying away.

I hope this hasn't come across as defensive or aggressive, honestly trying to be a voice of reason. I won't try to hide that I'm a Nintendo fan though, have been since the SNES. And I don't feel like my Wii U was abandoned, I got countless hours of fun out of it. And it still gets played regularly.

CiDeRmAn · 29-06-2017 7:10am

The WiiU was abandoned just like the original Xbox was abandoned, the systems both were replaced within four years of release with an almost immediate cessation of development for both by their parent company, in favour of the replacement.
The 360 went onto even greater things, as we all know.
There was ill feeling on the part of some Xbox owners because of the abrupt end, but the software library for the system at the time remained strong and worth playing.

I see no reason for the Switch not to follow suit.
Like the 360 the Nintendo device isn't doing anything especially new but it does have the opportunity to deliver gaming experiences in an attractive package, in ways that many have never tried, in the 360s case it was online gaming and an easy to use interface, in the Switch's it's home console quality games, made with Nintendo flair, playable outside of the home environment.

We may see an uptick in 3rd party interest with the current sashes trend continuing, but I will be personally disappointed if we don't get done significant buy in from them in the next 6 months

sligeach · 29-06-2017 11:33am

The XBOX was Microsoft's first attempt at a console(so they weren't going to get everything right) and sold slightly more than Gamecube but they were both miles behind the PS2. The XBOX360 had backwards compatibility which softened the blow somewhat.

The Switch has severed all ties with Wii U and are instead selling slightly modified games back to us at full price. Battle Mode could have and should have been added to the Wii U version of MK8. All the tweaks that have been added including today's update, could have run on Wii U.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/mario_kart_8_deluxe_version_1_2_0_is_now_live

It's no different than the latest Zelda: BOTW DLC pack that's releasing later today on Wii U and Switch.

WeleaseWoderick · 29-06-2017 1:27pm

sligeach wrote: »

The XBOX was Microsoft's first attempt at a console(so they weren't going to get everything right) and sold slightly more than Gamecube but they were both miles behind the PS2. The XBOX360 had backwards compatibility which softened the blow somewhat.

The Switch has severed all ties with Wii U and are instead selling slightly modified games back to us at full price. Battle Mode could have and should have been added to the Wii U version of MK8. All the tweaks that have been added including today's update, could have run on Wii U.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/mario_kart_8_deluxe_version_1_2_0_is_now_live

It's no different than the latest Zelda: BOTW DLC pack that's releasing later today on Wii U and Switch.

That ship sailed a long time ago. Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U got one of the best DLC packs that I can remember any game getting.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is selling very well on the Switch so there was obviously a market for it. It would also make no sense to continue adding updates to the legacy game on a dead console.

CiDeRmAn · 29-06-2017 1:40pm

Honestly, seeing as you haven't owned a console outside of the Nintendo brand I'm not sure if you get the consumer experience of owning any of the non-Nintendo consoles mentioned, while I owned them all, at launch, and experienced the effects of system updates/upgrades/replacements and so on.
The 360 was an entirely different machine to the Xbox, and the backwards compatibility was patchy at best, and I'm saying that as someone who owned both devices.
The PS2/PS3 experience was similarly difficult, with the PS3 60gb system I owned being fully backwards compatible with my collection but the device itself made of chocolate that eventually died, resulting in a replacement system that Sony never brought backwards compatibility to.
You could get certain PS2 games on the PS3, but you had to pay for them.
The experience going from PS3 to PS4 is a brick wall, if you own a PS3 disc of Motorstorm you can forget about playing it on the PS4.
The XboxOne has had a decent respect of it's previous gen, with some impressive titles being brought to the console, I was playing Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun last night, two games that I had owned on the 360.

This has been said until we are all sick in the face, every new format has had remasters, it's across the board, and the Switch is no different.
I can see the argument for the MK8 battle mode being brought to the WiiU, in that I can agree, and I was surprised they didn't.

Ultimately though the notion that Nintendo as incompetent, bad, wrong, selfish, buffoons or any other derogatory term is just personalising the company and it's decisions.

It makes products, sometimes they've made popular things, like the Wii, sometimes not so much, the WiiU, but their production of quality gaming experiences is not in question, otherwise why would any of us invest in their hardware at all, some to the exclusion of the other brands and formats.

Honestly, I would be far harder on Microsoft for not stress testing the 360 and releasing a wretched device with such a failure rate.
Similarly the price point and first 18 month software line up on the PS3 was appalling, and Sony were quite unapologetic for either.
The Xbox One has had a litany of crazy plans from MS, from it's price point to hardware choices, as well as software lineup, as did the PS4 with stock shortages and, again, a limited software lineup for the initial 18 months.

Had the WiiU been supported by Nintendo for a further 12 months it would have achieved nothing, no one was buying them any more, no one was developing any more, even Nintendo had tailed off new development, despite supporting it almost single handed for so long.
The device was done, the brand of Nintendo would have suffered with a continued association with a console no one wanted to play.

Bringing the Switch to market was the right thing to do, and the sales and interest out there bears that out.
Not only that but the Mini consoles have worked well too, driving interest in the Nintendo brand even higher.
While the 3DS has maintained that youthful market, interested in Pokemon and such, the Mini Classic range are driving attention in that adult market, the one that had moved almost wholesale to the Sony/MS consoles, and as a result we see the Switch appealing to a broad demo, a demo with money to spend, developing a momentum in sales and hopefully 3rd party support won't be too far behind.

You don't own a Switch, maybe you will, but you comments are slightly hollow because you don't, and I'm not engaging on this topic again, because I think I've encapsulated most of my points here, and I've work to be doing!
I understand, most of all, that you are a lover of Nintendo and your WiiU, and I respect that, and I respect your opinions though I don't always agree with them, and I will defend you from personal attacks from others, as I believe you've the right to express them, however much I might feel you are in error.

geotrig · 29-06-2017 1:56pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Honestly, seeing as you haven't owned a console outside of the Nintendo brand I'm not sure if you get the consumer experience of.

:eek:
whattttt !!!!! so if you've never owned an xbox(of any sort) ? how can you compare :think:

although i admire the dedication to the nintendo brand !

CiDeRmAn · 29-06-2017 2:18pm

geotrig wrote: »

:eek:
whattttt !!!!! so if you've never owned an xbox(of any sort) ? how can you compare :think:

although i admire the dedication to the nintendo brand !

I don't think I was ever committed to a single brand, always to the good games and/or the new experiences.
Hence I went from one new device to another, before giving up the buying and selling and keeping them all in the gamesroom.
But my Nintendo hardware has the most character, it has to be said.

madmoe · 30-06-2017 2:58pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I don't think I was ever committed to a single brand, always to the good games and/or the new experiences.
Hence I went from one new device to another, before giving up the buying and selling and keeping them all in the gamesroom.
But my Nintendo hardware has the most character, it has to be said.

How much Nintendo hardware do you have? I'm curious to know? Does it go right back to the beginning?

Banjo · 30-06-2017 3:49pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Honestly, seeing as you haven't owned a console outside of the Nintendo brand I'm not sure if you get the consumer experience of owning any of the non-Nintendo consoles mentioned, while I owned them all, at launch, and experienced the effects of system updates/upgrades/replacements and so on....

Honestly, I would be far harder on Microsoft for not stress testing the 360 and releasing a wretched device with such a failure rate....

Had the WiiU been supported by Nintendo for a further 12 months it would have achieved nothing, no one was buying them any more, no one was developing any more, even Nintendo had tailed off new development, despite supporting it almost single handed for so long.

I know, I'm a little late.
And I've butchered your post.
But damnit I owned a WiiU, I own a Switch and I will be heard

Anyway, I just picked a couple of bits out, because it strikes me that while those of us with less slutacious gaming habits maybe can't see the bigger picture and where the WiiU incident fits into it, perhaps those of you who are looser with your gaming virtues have been numbed to poor treatment or attitude towards the playerbase?

I mean, if I'm getting eaten by a shark, but you watched your whole family - not just the wife and kids but brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, cousins, neices, uncles, hot australian chicks that say you might be related through their step dad's half brother and a great aunt on your mother's side but your dick tells you that can't be true and to just go for it, ALL of them, murdered by shadow beasts, and every treasured family member that fell rose up, feral and mindless, and tore into their own kin in an arterial orgy of viscera.... sure, your experience was worse but I'm still being eaten by a shark and maybe you could just get over yourself and shoot the ****ing thing while I still have some of my legs left.

And so it is with the Wii U. It's not about them stopping all support, that was just how it ended. The death knell was sounding from around 6 months after launch. Earlier if you listened to some commentators talking about the brand confusion, which they did absolutely nothing to clear up.

It's not the ****test thing a console manufacturer has ever done to it's very small player base, probably it's not even top 5, but it did happen, it happened very slowly over a period of 4 years, everyone was screaming about it the whole time it was happening but the manufacturer refused to acknowledge the problem until it was too late and then after they brought the axe down there was absolutely zero remorse. Why should there be? They don't owe us anything, as I'm sure a few of you will remind me. And sure, Microsoft and Sony have done far worse.

But sure I know that. I've always known that. That is why I don't own XBoxes or Playstations, and I buy Nintendo because until recently they've always Ninendone what the others don't.

And yeah, the Switch made financial sense. That's not in dispute. You know what else would have made financial sense? Having a ****ing plan in late 2012/early 2013 to generate brand awareness and not try to coast on the success of the Wii. It doesn't matter how great the software library was if there's no one there to see it.

So all I'm saying is yes, you've suffered. And maybe this didn't hurt you. But please stop telling me it's not hurting me...

<Cue the orchestral swell>

CiDeRmAn · 30-06-2017 4:31pm

madmoe wrote: »

How much Nintendo hardware do you have? I'm curious to know? Does it go right back to the beginning?

Everything, mostly.
I don't have the Famicom titler, nor a Famicom Twin or a FDD add on, the Famicom Twin I hope to add this year.
Aside from that, most things I think, all the consoles that got a release here, as well as the likes of the Virtual Boy and Gameboy Light that didn't.
The same is the case for the other formats, everything from Sega, Sony, MS and most other devices too.
Aside from the aforementioned Famicom Twin I need to pick up some others like one particular pre-Famicom console by Nintendo, a PC Engine Duo and that's mostly it.

CiDeRmAn · 30-06-2017 4:34pm

Banjo wrote: »

So all I'm saying is yes, you've suffered. And maybe this didn't hurt you. But please stop telling me it's not hurting me...

<Cue the orchestral swell>

madmoe · 03-07-2017 9:29am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Everything, mostly.
I don't have the Famicom titler, nor a Famicom Twin or a FDD add on, the Famicom Twin I hope to add this year.
Aside from that, most things I think, all the consoles that got a release here, as well as the likes of the Virtual Boy and Gameboy Light that didn't.
The same is the case for the other formats, everything from Sega, Sony, MS and most other devices too.
Aside from the aforementioned Famicom Twin I need to pick up some others like one particular pre-Famicom console by Nintendo, a PC Engine Duo and that's mostly it.

WOW! Impressive ;-)

CiDeRmAn · 03-07-2017 9:47am

madmoe wrote: »

WOW! Impressive ;-)

Thanks.
Bests of the bunch are the following

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Pac1Man · 03-07-2017 10:12am

The Concorde of controllers that last one.

CiDeRmAn · 03-07-2017 12:28pm

I was peeved that the 360 Steel Battalion game didn't have a little dongle to let the original controller work with it.
The Xbox port is just a modified USB port and a cheap as chips dongle would have allowed the Steel Battalion controller to plug straight in.
After that it would be the dev would have to enable it's function in game, which would have been a hell of a lot better than the Kinect sh1te they used instead.

Pac1Man · 03-07-2017 1:10pm

Was that the game whereby if you didn't eject in time, the game would delete your save?!

I wish developers took similar risks these days.

CiDeRmAn · 03-07-2017 3:11pm

Pac1Man wrote: »

Was that the game whereby if you didn't eject in time, the game would delete your save?!

I wish developers took similar risks these days.

That's the one.
Your save was your character, if you die he/she dies too.

sligeach · 08-07-2017 10:18am

Here's a bit of insight into just what it takes to in terms of sales for a game to chart in the UK. Also, the best selling games in June and Switch's market share.

"you could sell under 5,000 units to break the Top 50 this week, and you only needed a little more than 21,000 copies sold to reach the Top Ten........PS4 accounted for over 55% of the games sold last month, Xbox One is at No.2 with 28.4%, while Switch - which has a significantly smaller install base - is at No.3 with 5.7%."

Here is the UKIE/GfK Top 20 for June:

May June
New 1 Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy
New 2 Tekken 7
5 3 Grand Theft Auto V
12 4 Horizon: Zero Dawn
9 5 Overwatch
New 6 Dirt 4
1 7 Injustice 2
5 8 FIFA 17
New 9 Wipeout: Omega Collection
7 10 Rocket League
3 11 Mario Kart 8: Deluxe
15 12 Forza Horizon 3
6 13 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands
11 14 Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
New 15 Arms
19 16 Dishonored 2
8 17 LEGO Worlds
10 18 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2 19 Prey
22 20 Tom Clancy's Rainbow 6: Siege

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-07-06-crash-bandicoot-rescues-uk-retail-market-in-june

08-07-2017 11:34am

Miyamoto with another headshot on Sony / MS

http://wccftech.com/miyamoto-many-consumers-look-variety/

Pac1Man · 08-07-2017 1:17pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Miyamoto with another headshot on Sony / MS

http://wccftech.com/miyamoto-many-consumers-look-variety/

Either that or justifying their own low powered machine.

Wouldn't it be nice to have variety on a high powered one...

dunworth1 · 08-07-2017 1:55pm

Pac1Man wrote: »

Either that or justifying their own low powered machine.

Wouldn't it be nice to have variety on a high powered one...

why is everything about being the most powerful?

to me, its all about the experience and having the prettiest looking games does not make it the best

the switch in my opinion for me with my life being so hectic is the best console this gen it gives me the ability to play a few games at work when I just need a break I can lay in bed and play it. I can bring it with me anywhere

just because something is the most powerful does not make it the best

CiDeRmAn · 08-07-2017 2:03pm

I think he is not excluding the benefits of a high powered console, but rather what developers seem to choose to do with that power, which is relatively little.
Compare to the modestly powered Nintendo consoles of the past 10 years which have produced plenty of interesting and successful titles, without blindly following the previous years template.

Pac1Man · 08-07-2017 2:25pm

dunworth1 wrote: »

just because something is the most powerful does not make it the best

Never suggested it did, but can you imagine what Nintendo could create with more horsepower?!:eek:

This gen has been fairly weak in terms of evolution from the previous gen in terms of the AAA releases. Sure we have shinier visuals, greater draw distances and bigger worlds but the ethos has basically been a copy and paste job from before.

Then Zelda came along.

On a Wii U.

I can't even imagine what they could achieve with beefier hardware.

sligeach · 08-07-2017 2:34pm

Nintendo introduced HD Rumble as their innovation for their second attempt at this generation. I'm sure most people are salivating at the thought of its use in Super Mario Odyssey and the next Zelda Switch game.

And while I love BOTW's visuals, they went in large part with that style because a world of the scale with realistic graphics just wouldn't be possible on Nintendo hardware I believe.

pasta-solo · 08-07-2017 2:47pm

sligeach wrote: »

Nintendo introduced HD Rumble as their innovation for their second attempt at this generation. I'm sure most people are salivating at the thought of its use in Super Mario Odyssey and the next Zelda Switch game.

And while I love BOTW's visuals, they went in large part with that style because a world of the scale with realistic graphics just wouldn't be possible on Nintendo hardware I believe.

HD rumble is not the only selling point of the Switch. And who on earth would want a realistic looking Zelda game?

CiDeRmAn · 08-07-2017 3:06pm

sligeach wrote: »

Nintendo introduced HD Rumble as their innovation for their second attempt at this generation. I'm sure most people are salivating at the thought of its use in Super Mario Odyssey and the next Zelda Switch game.

You can't really be seriously trying to slip in this nonsense again?
Didn't we have this out already?
And say it was nonsense?

And while I love BOTW's visuals, they went in large part with that style because a world of the scale with realistic graphics just wouldn't be possible on Nintendo hardware I believe.

Well, by your own assessment, the game is a "port" from the WiiU, so it's hardly a reflection of what the Switch can do.

Besides, the other formats out there would be only too delighted to have the likes of BotW on their hardware.

Don't get so hung up on the visuals on other formats, and if you find them so impressive, why not skip the Switch that appears to be so disappointing, and buy a PS4 instead.

Then go over to the PS forum and see how they like your opinions on, say, the PS4 Pro... I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

sligeach · 08-07-2017 3:36pm

pasta-solo wrote: »

HD rumble is not the only selling point of the Switch. And who on earth would want a realistic looking Zelda game?

I mean like Twilight Princess. And I said innovation, not selling point. There's a difference.

WeleaseWoderick · 08-07-2017 5:50pm

sligeach wrote: »

Nintendo introduced HD Rumble as their innovation for their second attempt at this generation. I'm sure most people are salivating at the thought of its use in Super Mario Odyssey and the next Zelda Switch game.

And while I love BOTW's visuals, they went in large part with that style because a world of the scale with realistic graphics just wouldn't be possible on Nintendo hardware I believe.

The ability to play the same game on the go or on your television is the USP of the Switch, not HD Rumble. If that doesn't appeal to you, that's fine but it clearly has resonated with people a lot more than the Wii U concept ever did.

There's a reason why the previous generation of consoles lasted so long. We're at a stage now where the improvement in graphics is negligible in terms of what it really adds to a game. Mario Kart 8 is still going to look great in 20 years time for example.

pasta-solo · 08-07-2017 6:42pm

sligeach wrote: »

I mean like Twilight Princess. And I said innovation, not selling point. There's a difference.

You said they introduced it as their innovation, implying that was all they were offering (in my opinion). The real innovation of this generation with Nintendo has been just making good, fun games that you can play anywhere, with friends or solo. What more could you need? Power? Xbox has that, and a very boring (again, my opinion) roster of games which just seems pointless to me. Xbox just can't compete against the PS4, or doesn't know how to anyway. (Xbox One X? zzzzz.....)

Its not in Nintendo's interest to compete in that field anymore, nor has it been for a long time. They've been making consoles for roughly 32 years - Wii came out 11 years ago. So for the last third of Nintendo's life, being the most powerful console has not been something they've cared about. It worked wonders with the Wii, not so great with the Wii U, and looks promising for the Switch. Same in the handheld market - PSP and Vita were more powerful than the DS and 3DS, but where are they now? Bargain bins.

So, while it would be nice if huge games like Red Dead Redemption 2 or whatever were coming to the Switch, truth is its never gonna happen and Nintendo don't care. They're not after that market anymore. They've carved out a nice niche in the gaming market, which is currently profitable and suits their business ethos or whatever. If it doesn't work out, they'll adapt or go under, but at the moment, they're golden!

Banjo · 10-07-2017 9:21am

If you look at the interviews with the big in-house nintyheads, they keep talking about HD rumble the way the used to go on about the 2 screens on the WiiU. I.e. this is the gimic they're going to shoehorn into every game whether it's a good fit or not just because it's an option. If MK8 Deluxe had HD Rumble, I'm not a fan...

I don't see that as their big innovation, I don't think the Switch is particularly innovative, it's more of a refinement of some of the cooler things they got right in the last few gens, but it appears that they do.

dunworth1 · 10-07-2017 9:22am

I was minding kids over the weekend and as such was watching quite a bit of cartoon network I was very surprised at how many ads Nintendo have running
for the 3ds and the new 2ds most of the time there were two 3ds ads running during the ad break. I did notice that there was absolutely zero mention of the switch which i was a bit disappointed by

Pac1Man · 10-07-2017 9:32am

dunworth1 wrote: »

I was minding kids over the weekend and as such was watching quite a bit of cartoon network I was very surprised at how many ads Nintendo have running
for the 3ds and the new 2ds most of the time there were two 3ds ads running during the ad break. I did notice that there was absolutely zero mention of the switch which i was a bit disappointed by

They seem to be pushing it towards adults this time around, trying to shake the kiddie label.

sligeach · 10-07-2017 9:53am

Where are the these Switch ads? 4 months on and I am still waiting to see the first one.

OwaynOTT · 10-07-2017 10:13am

sligeach wrote: »

Where are the these Switch ads? 4 months on and I am still waiting to see the first one.

I barely watch tv lately and I've seen plenty of switch ads. I've seen as many, if not more, ads concerning the switch as the other consoles.

10-07-2017 10:13am

sligeach wrote: »

Where are the these Switch ads? 4 months on and I am still waiting to see the first one.

I've yet to see them either, but I don't watch much live TV now a days unless there's a match on

10-07-2017 10:13am

OwaynOTT wrote: »

I barely watch tv lately and I've seen plenty of switch ads. I've seen as many, if not more, ads concerning the switch as the other consoles.

Out of interest, what channels??

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