Nintendo: General Discussion

sligeach

I've noticed before that we've no general discussion thread on/about Nintendo. Very often random stuff about Nintendo gets dumped into irrelevant threads.



[SUPER NINTENDO WORLD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCqJ8llKuA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCqJ8llKuA

Mr E

Good idea, sligeach.

CiDeRmAn

Generally speaking I quite like Nintendo....

Banjo

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Generally speaking I quite like Nintendo....

You're a known slattern who'll plug his controller into any lump of silicone with a few chips to its name. It means nothing!

I wonder if, after the first couple of weeks they'll be able to keep up with cleaning the blood of so many failed backflipping entrances off the pictures in Peach's palace...

If you like the look of Mario Maker but not the cost of the game or it's respective consoles, consider driving up to Sainsbo's for their classic Mario Bros magnet set. It's Mario Maker on your fridge/dishwasher/oven!

Mr E

Expensive year ahead for Switch and 3DS owners. I'm going to need to remortgage.

chrislad

Yup. Definitely.

Mario Rabbids
Sonic Mania
Pokken
Fire Emblem
Mario Odyssey
Skyrim
Rocket League

Probably close to 300 there. Plus others like Steamworld and Oceanhorn. Dammit Nintendo!

Banjo

Boiling it back to the essentials, I think I could live with Splatoon and Mario Odyssey.

I loved Hyrule Warriors, but I barely scratched the surface of the content - adventure mode is a life-swallowing commitment. And it dropped in price pretty quickly. I'm going to hold off on FE Warriors. I've never played Skyrim, but I felt there was a massive drop in quality and scope between Morrowind and Oblivion, so I can probably live without it. I don't know what Rocket League is, and I'm probably better off not finding out so I can save the cash.

But then there's Ever Oasis and Metroid on 3DS.... ah feck. Time to bust open the kids' college fund again.

Mr E

They can do apprenticeships and learn a trade. They'll be fine.

CiDeRmAn

I find myself cooling on new releases for my various formats right now.
I've just got to make some headway on the myriad I actually already own, before I dive back into the shops once again.
BotW is still to be finished.
Still mountains to be done there!

Pac1Man

Ah just pick them up. They'll look great on the shelf.

sligeach

NINTENDO LOCALIZERS NOW WORK WITH JAPANESE DEVS TO CENSOR GAMES FOR WESTERN CULTURE

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/06/nintendo-localizers-now-work-with-japanese-devs-to-censor-games-for-western-culture/33309/

CiDeRmAn

For those that are looking for the NES Classic Mini experience but missed the party, Hyperkin have a product for you, doesn't look bad either, particularly if you have the carts gathering dust,
It can use either HDMI or Composite, the latter will let you use your Zapper gun.
Link to the RetroN HD

Star Lord

sligeach wrote: »

NINTENDO LOCALIZERS NOW WORK WITH JAPANESE DEVS TO CENSOR GAMES FOR WESTERN CULTURE

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/06/nintendo-localizers-now-work-with-japanese-devs-to-censor-games-for-western-culture/33309/

I don't get why this is newsworthy, unless you really like your huge chested underage girls in revealing clothing, or to try for crotch shots in games...

chrislad

Banjo wrote: »

Boiling it back to the essentials, I think I could live with Splatoon and Mario Odyssey.

I loved Hyrule Warriors, but I barely scratched the surface of the content - adventure mode is a life-swallowing commitment. And it dropped in price pretty quickly. I'm going to hold off on FE Warriors. I've never played Skyrim, but I felt there was a massive drop in quality and scope between Morrowind and Oblivion, so I can probably live without it. I don't know what Rocket League is, and I'm probably better off not finding out so I can save the cash.

But then there's Ever Oasis and Metroid on 3DS.... ah feck. Time to bust open the kids' college fund again.

Rocket League will probably be the cheapest. It's only about 20 across most platforms, and was digital only across PSN, PC, and Xbox Live for a long while, so I can't see it being much more than that on the Switch.

Banjo

Well, are you saying you don't like huge chested under-age girls in revealing clothing?
Get out, and leave your Federation of Aging Gamers card at the door!

There is part of me that's upset by this and I don't know why. Am I really pissed off that the Japanese have all seen Tharja's buttcheeks and I haven't? Even though she's a cartoon and I could just draw them myself on a napkin and it would be just as "real"? Or is it that we're so pre-programmed by the left-leaning media to reach for a pitchfork when we see the word "Censor" that we don't stop and think about the context?

So I won't be able to **** my DD sister with my robot mickey in Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I think the world will keep turning. But there will always be a part of me that will wonder what if, and lament the inbred banjo-playing cybernephson that will never be....

It's wrong to say this isn't newsworthy though. They're changing games at source. You might agree with some of those changes, but you might not agree with others and now you'll never know what they are. And while you might argue that never knowing makes this anti-news, it's not something I feel we should just accept, because we don't know at this stage how far-reaching and homogenizing the effect of pushing US mores onto Japanese games could be.

On the bright side, this could mean that the violence gets amped up to 12 in keeping with American ideals Silver linings...

Star Lord

The only examples of said censorship that I've seen to date have been pretty much exactly that.
Where they either increase the age of a character, and/or make their costume less revealing.

If that's all that's being decried as foul censorship, then long may it continue.

Rhyme

Such a non-article and non-issue. This has been going on for decades without anyone getting their knickers in a twist. The only thing in the article actually worth mentioning is that these changes can happen earlier in development so the changes aren't as obvious eg. proper lip syncing, costumes etc.

Of course, if people want to get bent out of shape over seeing less of animated underage girls than the Japanese audience, go right ahead.

CiDeRmAn

Star Lord wrote: »

The only examples of said censorship that I've seen to date have been pretty much exactly that.
Where they either increase the age of a character, and/or make their costume less revealing.

If that's all that's being decried as foul censorship, then long may it continue.

Rhyme wrote: »

Such a non-article and non-issue. This has been going on for decades without anyone getting their knickers in a twist. The only thing in the article actually worth mentioning is that these changes can happen earlier in development so the changes aren't as obvious eg. proper lip syncing, costumes etc.

Of course, if people want to get bent out of shape over seeing less of animated underage girls than the Japanese audience, go right ahead.

Exactly these posts.
Cultural differences between the different markets result in adjusted products for those markets.
Normal in pretty much every thing that's sold internationally, they are targeted with features unique to the target or with certain things highlighted more.
No conspiracy.

A good example is the MGS2 and 3 we got in the EU, an improved edition compared to what the home, Japanese market got.
And, where appropriate, they have removed the sexualisation of children, which is right.
Modern consoles are now region free, or it's an easy task to import a console that will play the original, so if you really need to have such features in your games, you can.

ERG89

Not exactly stop the presses news but I saw on Twitter that Jose Otero is leaving NVC & IGN as he got a job with Nintendo.

Mr E

Wow, he'll be a loss to NVC. Good at keeping that podcast on the rails.

Good luck to him though. He was always a massive Nintendo fan so it's probably his dream job.

Audrey, then Jose - who's next?

sligeach

I noticed he was missing in the last couple of episodes of NVC and thought it was strange especially in the buildup to and at E3. He's usually the one constant. Now we know why. Nice career progression for Jose. I think he started at 1UP, then to IGN and now Nintendo.

Speaking of NVC, I was listening back to their predictions for E3 and they were wrong on nearly everything. You should have a listen if you missed it. I listen to the Podcasts but they should have a Youtube video as well.

Nintendo E3 2017 Predictions - Nintendo Voice Chat Ep. 359

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYR0M5JPMWQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYR0M5JPMWQ


And if you watch it, you'll understand why I thought Nintendo didn't have a great E3.

CastorTroy

Mr E wrote: »

Wow, he'll be a loss to NVC. Good at keeping that podcast on the rails.

Good luck to him though. He was always a massive Nintendo fan so it's probably his dream job.

Audrey, then Jose - who's next?

Rich as well. At least we get Audrey on treehouse. Always remember the first treehouse where she played Yoshi and beat the dog.

Yeah, was reading a tweet from Peer where he said they didn't have him doing anything for e3 for that reason as it would seem unfair

Mr E

I just listen to the latest NVC. The end of it was hard to listen to - Jose was definitely choked up. It was his last day and they gave him a great sendoff.

Corholio

Mr E wrote: »

I just listen to the latest NVC. The end of it was hard to listen to - Jose was definitely choked up. It was his last day and they gave him a great sendoff.

Ya it seemed fairly emotional for him alright. The dream for a games media presenter really. It will be interesting to see what role he takes up with Nintendo, used rightly he'd be a big asset.

Anyone seriously get the feeling Nintendo will absolutely dominate Xmas sales this year? They have been absolutely killing it in the last 12 months IMO. Success of the switch launch in mid March, pretty much saving E3 2017 in general & now the SNES Classic Mini.
I wonder how much this will impact Microsoft & Sony.

dunworth1

yes i would agree they could dominate alright but stock issues could hamper them a bit

ERG89

M!Ck^ wrote:

They have been absolutely killing it in the last 12 months IMO.

Since the switch was launched yeah but before then...bar Pokemon it was grim tbh.
Their mid gen revision (WiiU to Switch) has been a success. They have the next 18 months or more laid out at least with Mario, Splatoon, Metroid & Pokemon.

Banjo

Surely a September/October release is a bit early for Christmas? Don't these things start to hit around November normally so they can hit their peak demand in the first week of December when Santy letters are being written and the Toy Show is looming? Unless.... from a strategy point of view, they release the SNES mini in September, fulfill around 30% of demand, the 2nd hand / scalping market goes crazy by the end of October and stews for a month, then 1st of December they announce the entire NES and SNES back catalog available on SNESflix and flood retail with Switch stock. BOOOM! Christmas gets head-shotted.

CiDeRmAn

ERG89 wrote: »

Since the switch was launched yeah but before then...bar Pokemon it was grim tbh.
Their mid gen revision (WiiU to Switch) has been a success. They have the next 18 months or more laid out at least with Mario, Splatoon, Metroid & Pokemon.

I don't think the release of brand new hardware can be referred to as a mid gen revision.
It's nothing like the shift from launch to slim model that we've seen up to now, and nothing like the Sony or MS launch of updated formats, the Switch is a whole new console not an update of the WiiU.
Nevertheless, the system has been a success, hopefully it will continue to be so, and the games you mention can only propel it higher, assuming they can keep stock rolling into stores.

sligeach

I couldn't disagree more. The Switch absolutely is a mid generation revision. It's a Wii U made portable, it plays Wii U level games. The Switch games could play on Wii U but Nintendo need to shift hardware in order to sell games.

Now you could say that had the Wii U been successful, then the Switch wouldn't exist. 4 years(it wasn't really 4 years) was not how long people or Nintendo envisaged the Wii U living back in 2012.

But I'm thinking in an alternate reality had the Wii U succeeded, the Switch could have existed, it may in fact have been one of Nintendo's plan. But it wouldn't have been called the Switch, it would have been something like Wii U Portable. A mid generation revamp to get even more people buying the Wii U and attract the handheld gamers into the fray as well as having a 720p screen on the go. It would play all the Wii U games and have all the Wii U's functions. It would of course use cartridges but they'd be no different than the disc games. The hybrid idea was talked about before Wii U came out. They may even have released a 720p gamepad as well.

But the Wii/U brand is toxic so it was decided to start with a clean slate, plus there was enough confusion going from Wii to Wii U. And because it started anew it could do things a bit different than Wii U like bumping up the graphics slightly in docked mode, funny that the Switch performs at Wii U level in handheld mode. Abandon the dual screen idea for one. Come up with the Joy-Con idea instead of the handheld being one solid piece. You can see the Switch is an evolved Wii U minus the toxicity.

Corholio

It's not a revision at all. It's a different concept and a different machine. The word 'revision' doesn't even lend itself anything close between what the Wii U and the Switch is, Sony and Microsoft have had what you would call revisions. You can argue about the power being similar of course, although the Switch is more powerful from all tear downs performed. Whatever about if the Wii U succeeded or not, the only fact we have is that it didn't, and the Switch came after. The word 'revision' can be used by those that want to make it seem like there isn't much difference between the Wii U and Switch for criticial benefit, and those specifically looking at power, because almost everything else is different about the Switch hardware wise. Going from game discs to cartridges for example isn't some overnight decision that companies would make, it suited the very different structure of the new console.

CiDeRmAn

sligeach wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more. The Switch absolutely is a mid generation revision. It's a Wii U made portable, it plays Wii U level games. The Switch games could play on Wii U but Nintendo need to shift hardware in order to sell games.

Now you could say that had the Wii U been successful, then the Switch wouldn't exist. 4 years(it wasn't really 4 years) was not how long people or Nintendo envisaged the Wii U living back in 2012.

But I'm thinking in an alternate reality had the Wii U succeeded, the Switch could have existed, it may in fact have been one of Nintendo's plan. But it wouldn't have been called the Switch, it would have been something like Wii U Portable. A mid generation revamp to get even more people buying the Wii U and attract the handheld gamers into the fray as well as having a 720p screen on the go. It would play all the Wii U games and have all the Wii U's functions. It would of course use cartridges but they'd be no different than the disc games. The hybrid idea was talked about before Wii U came out. They may even have released a 720p gamepad as well.

But the Wii/U brand is toxic so it was decided to start with a clean slate, plus there was enough confusion going from Wii to Wii U. And because it started anew it could do things a bit different than Wii U like bumping up the graphics slightly in docked mode, funny that the Switch performs at Wii U level in handheld mode. Abandon the dual screen idea for one. Come up with the Joy-Con idea instead of the handheld being one solid piece. You can see the Switch is an evolved Wii U minus the toxicity.

That is the biggest load of cobblers I've read in a while.
I'd take each "point" one by one but, really, it's all nonsense.
Very disappointing.

sligeach

There was no decision to make regarding cartridges. Nintendo have been using them for 30+ years. Discs were a non runner for this handheld. The only difference is the size of the cartridges in terms of data storage capacity. Technology now lets them use far bigger sizes at far cheaper rates than in previous generations. The Switch isn't a console.

sligeach

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

That is the biggest load of cobblers I've read in a while.
I'd take each "point" one by one but, really, it's all nonsense.
Very disappointing.

Well we've one thing in common, that's how I felt reading your earlier statement.

CiDeRmAn

sligeach wrote: »

Well we've one thing in common, that's how I felt reading your earlier statement.

?

My earlier statement was that it isn't a mid gen update, because it isn't.
It's objectively not.
It's an entirely new piece of hardware, with an entirely new software environment.
They may port to it, and those games may look similar, but so did the PS3 ports to the ps4 and no one considered that a "hardware update" because it wasn't.
It's a marked stretch of language to suggest the Switch is a updated WiiU, and simply false.

To be honest, before your time on this forum, the kind of people who posted that type of comment were people out to generate negative reactions, I'd hope that's not your objective here, but be aware you are keeping strange bedfellows with such statements.

Corholio

sligeach wrote: »

There was no decision to make regarding cartridges. Nintendo have been using them for 30+ years. Discs were a non runner for this handheld. The only difference is the size of the cartridges in terms of data storage capacity. Technology now lets them use far bigger sizes at far cheaper rates than in previous generations. The Switch isn't a console.

Does that mean the Wii U wasn't a console either considering they are supposedly the same power and I can play both on my TV?

No console 'revision' ever has had a change of playable media, just one of the reasons it's not a 'revision'. It's interesting to see the lengths you go to try and undermine the Switch though, the bitterness of the Wii U doth linger I think. It's a shame really, I enjoy a lot of your posts but the Switch hate with zero use is just quite strange imo.

I woke up today having enjoyed using my Switch, now I find out it's just a mid generation revision and not even a console :pac:

In the end, no hard feelings just very much disagree with you.

CiDeRmAn

I brought the Switch with me on a trip for a few days.
It was great craic, during a day of interminable rain, to play an hour of Arms with my son, an hour of Thumper as well as being a Divine Beast in BotW.

Banjo

Sligs has made his feelings on the Switch abundantly clear in the past, and while I don't think this is deliberately trolling I do feel there's an element of him sexing up those objections to make a point. But, dear Cidey, let's not say things we can't take back. Don't drop the F-bomb.

I see the Switch less as the WiiU's mid-life crisis and more as a bastard lovechild born of a night of unspeakable passion and violence 'twixt WiiU and 3DS, embodying the hope of all that was great about it's parents but with that niggling worry that, like a bald patch or diabetes there's some trouble in the basic genetics. The lack of backwards compatibility confirms it's status as something new though, it's a cleanish break.

Corholio

Banjo wrote: »

Sligs has made his feelings on the Switch abundantly clear in the past, and while I don't think this is deliberately trolling I do feel there's an element of him sexing up those objections to make a point. But, dear Cidey, let's not say things we can't take back. Don't drop the F-bomb.

I see the Switch less as the WiiU's mid-life crisis and more as a bastard lovechild born of a night of unspeakable passion and violence 'twixt WiiU and 3DS, embodying the hope of all that was great about it's parents but with that niggling worry that, like a bald patch or diabetes there's some trouble in the basic genetics. The lack of backwards compatibility confirms it's status as something new though, it's a cleanish break.

'Cleanish break'......I like that. It's like a more conservative tagline version of 'You're playing with power'

CiDeRmAn

Banjo wrote: »

Sligs has made his feelings on the Switch abundantly clear in the past, and while I don't think this is deliberately trolling I do feel there's an element of him sexing up those objections to make a point. But, dear Cidey, let's not say things we can't take back. Don't drop the F-bomb.

I see the Switch less as the WiiU's mid-life crisis and more as a bastard lovechild born of a night of unspeakable passion and violence 'twixt WiiU and 3DS, embodying the hope of all that was great about it's parents but with that niggling worry that, like a bald patch or diabetes there's some trouble in the basic genetics. The lack of backwards compatibility confirms it's status as something new though, it's a cleanish break.

Damn, I've both.

Mr E

It is a console, and it is a new generation (of Nintendo hardware). To say anything else is ludicrous.

Pac1Man

sligeach wrote: »

It would play all the Wii U games and have all the Wii U's functions. It would of course use cartridges but they'd be no different than the disc games.

If they changed the software type then it wouldn't have been a revision.

Just look at Sony and MS to see what a revision is.

I look at it as a Super Wii U. Kind of similar but better in almost every way.

sligeach

Pac1Man wrote: »

If they changed the software type then it wouldn't have been a revision.

Just look at Sony and MS to see what a revision is.

I look at it as a Super Wii U. Kind of similar but better in almost every way.

How can you say it's better in almost every way? It doesn't have:

~ a browser
~ Virtual Console
~ Miiverse
~ Netflix
~ decent memory storage(the same as Wii U)
~ backwards compatibility
~ decent battery life(official high capacity battery)
~ ability to change the battery yourself
~ a microphone
~ a camera
~ a D pad on the standard controller
~ ability to transfer saves
~ cheaper peripherals
~ free online gaming from next year
~ Youtube
~ a second screen
~ normal voice chat.

CiDeRmAn

Pac1Man wrote: »

If they changed the software type then it wouldn't have been a revision.

Just look at Sony and MS to see what a revision is.

I look at it as a Super Wii U. Kind of similar but better in almost every way.

It's a generational shift from the WiiU to the Switch, as the GC was from the N64, as the GBA was from the GB, as the Superfamicom was to the Famicom.

Banjo

I notice you're avoiding the GC to the Wii, interestingly - if ever there was an argument for a Revision, that surely was it, wiimotes notwithstanding.

sligeach wrote: »

How can you say it's better in almost every way? It doesn't have:

~ a browser
~ Virtual Console
~ Miiverse
~ Netflix
~ decent memory storage(the same as Wii U)
~ backwards compatibility
~ decent battery life(official high capacity battery)
~ ability to change the battery yourself
~ a microphone
~ a camera
~ a D pad on the standard controller
~ ability to transfer saves
~ cheaper peripherals
~ free online gaming from next year
~ Youtube
~ a second screen
~ normal voice chat.

So you're saying it's nothing like the Wii U? So it's less of an interation and more of... say.... a completely different system?

Of the things you've mentioned, only the D-Pad can be argued to be an essential.

Cheaper peripherals is an odd thing to mention. First party peripherals have never been cheap for Ninty products - look at the wii U pro controller, or hell the 10 year old Wiimote!- and it's still very early days for 3rd party knockoffs.

No 2nd screen and Paid-for Online are in line with the other major home consoles. A fixed battery is standard for moderate to high-end electronics these days (and is possibly driven by shipping regulations and the resultant labelling a removable battery might get you - have to look into that). Backwards compatibility is a moot point given the lack of hte 2nd screen. I'm not opening my Browser/Netflix based pandora's box.

Miiverse? Really?

Look, the Switch isn't perfect. I know it. You know it. It doesn't break your WiiU if you bring it in to your house, but it does make you not care if your WiiU is broken...

Pac1Man

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

It's a generational shift from the WiiU to the Switch, as the GC was from the N64, as the GBA was from the GB, as the Superfamicom was to the Famicom.

I agree. I meant from NES to SNES. That's were my Super came in.

sligeach wrote: »

How can you say it's better in almost every way? It doesn't have...

It's seems like it's not the console or the company for you then. A change might be good; different perspective.

geotrig

sligeach wrote: »

How can you say it's better in almost every way? It doesn't have:

~ a browser ...Thank **** i want to play games ..on the wii u i just browsed :rolleyes:
~ Virtual Console ...it will come you saw their announcement on that thing they are rolling out
~ Miiverse meh ....i dont even know what miiverse is :pac:
~ Netflix meh again see browser
~ decent memory storage(the same as Wii U) again it has enough as you said earlier memory is cheap these days
~ backwards compatibility ...most new consoles dont have this either ! i have games on the 360 that i doubt will get ported i mean transfered to the xbone
~ decent battery life(official high capacity battery) have had no issues here .maybe if your browsing alot you might need more battery life :pac:
~ ability to change the battery yourself see above
~ a microphone thank god
~ a camera see above
~ a D pad on the standard controller it kinda does just slightly different .who really uses the dpad much anymore ?
~ ability to transfer saves if it did i'd probably not us it anyway !
~ cheaper peripherals new gen is never cheaper
~ free online gaming from next year ??? is online gaming really gaming when you are the only one left playing :pac: also no other consolesonline is free
~ Youtube again see browser
~ a second screen :rolleyes:
~ normal voice chat. again thank god ! its uncomfortable enough on the other consoles to be playing against 10 year old and it does have an app for this doesnt it !

:pac:

chrislad

The only thing I miss from that list is the ability to transfer saves via either memory card or an online service. Currently, if I break or lose my switch, my Zelda save is gone. That's not acceptable in this day and age.

Free online gaming isn't sustainable. It's been paid for years on other platforms, and Nintendo hardly set the world on fire with their free offering. If it doesn't improve when paid, that's a separate issue.

D-Pad can't be an option due to the design of the joy cons. It's a compromise.

As for apps like YouTube, Netflix etc, it's firstly a games console. Really, everyone has a smart phone at this stage, if not a tablet. I don't need these things on it. It's not going to replace my Xbox as a media centre, but I definitely use my Switch more for games at the moment.

The battery life is very decent. Yeah, full games net you about 2-3 hours, but indie games like Isaac, Oceanhorn, and a few others, I've been close to 6 hours. Plus the suspend option barely affects battery. I dropped from 64% to 59% after 5 days on suspend. Turned it on and immediately back where I left off.

Sliegeach, you may eloquently put across your point, but time after time, you're stretching. If I try really hard enough, I can find fault with anything. It may be just your expectations are both high and unrealistic, and you want Nintendo to strive to be the best they can be, and I personally do question a number of their decisions, but I recognize that real world factors impact there, where you don't seem to.

sligeach

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

It's a generational shift from the WiiU to the Switch, as the GC was from the N64, as the GBA was from the GB, as the Superfamicom was to the Famicom.

Meanwhile PS4 and XB1 are still here. Nintendo have had 2 go's at this generation. €700 later and it's still basically the same power(same crappy 32GB's of memory storage too) and 3rd party support is just as bad. That's good going.

Mr E

@chrislad - Yay... a voice of reason.

sligeach

Banjo wrote: »

I notice you're avoiding the GC to the Wii, interestingly - if ever there was an argument for a Revision, that surely was it, wiimotes notwithstanding.

I've talked about that before. We all know the jokes about 2 Gamecubes stuck together. The Wii remote was originally going to be a Gamecube peripheral. But it was too late and like the Wii U, Nintendo seen the Gamecube as a failure. Better to start afresh. The Wii allowed for things like a browser, Mii's, Virtual Console, etc that Gamecube wouldn't have been able to do. But in terms of power, the Wii U to Switch feels very much like Gamecube to Wii.


The Wii wasn't a huge gamble for them. It was kind of an experiment I feel, and it worked. Nintendo had the DS should it have failed. If the Switch fails? It doesn't have the 3DS, that's coming to the end of its life. The Switch is the be all and end all. They can't afford to let this fail. Still, you'd wonder what they're at in some regards.


I've likewise talked about how Nintendo could only afford to save either the 3DS or the Wii U. They chose the 3DS. If I was in their shoes I'd do the same but I can still be p1$$ed off as a consumer. They f***ed up, not me. I gave them all the support and it feels like we've been given an almighty kick in the balls.