Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

Cool_CM wrote: »

This just popped up on my feed, gutted that I didn't see it sooner to send it on to some of of my friends that teach in secondary schools.

https://www.f1inschools.ie/

It's pretty cool that this exists!

That's been around over 20 years, I remember doing it in our school back in 08.

If you're looking for a really cool schools initiative have a look at this, proper cool stuff: https://www.greenpower.co.uk/


Unfortunately F1 in schools is too much like normal F1: money money money....

In the kit you get a piece of balsa wood, 2 axles 2 plastic straws for the axle to spin in and 4 plastic wheels. No rules saying that the school has to use what's in the kit though.

First year we though we were doing great, until we turned up to the competition.... Our 2.5k sponsorship was nothing, the team that won was title sponsored by Koni and had flown the team to their UK base to help develop their feckin piece of wood! We were up against schools who had their own CNC equipment making dozens of prototypes, schools making complex adjustable wings from composites, buying all sorts of bearings, some even used ceramics, full on spray jobs done by professional airbrushers, 3d printing (insane at the time) or CNCing new low friction wheels etc....

I was mad into it so got on the team again, we got about 10k in sponsorship, spent a load on our display etc, went for an out there design and ended up 2nd, the team that 1 had spent what would be are total budget just on custom bearings and wheels.

My school won a year or 2 after i left, turned out one of the dad's of the lads on the team was high up in one of the big pharma companies and the team had gotten 25k from them alone... Think they had to raise something like 50k more to go to the world finals.

Fantastic idea but in reality the costs are astronomical and it turns the students off the whole idea. Should absolutely be a case of "if it's not in the kit you can't use it" like the US pinewood derbys.

GarIT wrote: »

Ban teams paying drivers. Ban teams contracting drivers. Drivers get paid from the teams prize pool at a base salary of £1m +£100,000 per point for their first 100 points and £50,000 per point after that.

Drivers are picked by teams on a draft system at the start of each year. Teams pick drivers in order of last year's constructors championship and each team gets to pick their 2nd driver when the team 3 below them has picked their first. Then at the end each team pick and official reserve driver who must be under 25 and must get at least 1/4 of the FP1s.

Those draft systems always seem complicated in the abstract but they’re never as hard to work out when they actually happen. I think that would be class.

It would change the way drivers are developed as red bull wouldn’t bother developing drivers if they can’t use them. But that’s just a change, not a huge problem.

Seeing crap drivers in good cars and good drivers in crap cars, would certainly spice up the grid. No loyalty between teams and drivers (so no no.2 drivers taking one for the team to get a contract extension).

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well I meant have it per-race rather than the disbursement at the end of the season based on performance. So the winning team as it stands already get more prize money. Having it per-race would add a bit of immediacy (thought I'd made that clear) to the rewards. In fact $5 million per race is probably on the low side considering how much money is floating around.
It's actually a perfect example this season, Alpha Tauri won a race but they're going to finish in the same position in the final standings as if they'd DNFed at Monza. So the only reward for winning the race was the publictity at the time. A $5/10million purse for a minnow team would've made the win be and seem way more important and the fact of a small team get a big money boost would only add to it.

So you're suggesting a better way to distribute the prize fund after each race based on finishing position instead of championship order at the end of the ear? Surely that could achieved in a better way than dishing out money for race wins. They could award money evenly and allow the better teams to use their better performance to get more exposure and attract more sponsors. AT won that race mostly based on luck, not because they were the best that weekend (they got into the pitlane before it was closed and Hamilton got a penalty). I've certainly never seen a set of circumstances like it.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. That is what I'm suggesting.

It's already dished out based on finishing position for the season. I'm not suggesting a massive overhaul of how much money teams will actually get, it's still going to be rare wins for smaller teams. The point is to have a win have the added "benefit" of a measurable, clear reward rather than just a win. It could stand out more. What benefit did the win ultimately have to Alpha Tauri?

How well it would work with the current formula is unknown but you only have to go back to 2009 to see where a team almost fluked a win through their design choices, Force India in Spa. I reckon Fisichella would have won pretty handily in Italy had he not jumped into the Ferrari seat. Teams who aren't going to win the title could have programmes for certain circuits or circuit types. And yeah they caught a lucky break at Monza this year but we could see more people taking chances in some races.

Fair enough. I don’t see that as one of the top problems with f1 at the moment.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's a fun quote to throw around.

Ok

I think they could redistribute the money to encourage competition and make f1 more interesting. But it would probably involve flattening the prize fund (which I think they’re doing to a limited extent) and the way they’re giving more resources, like wind tunnel time, to teams lower down the championship.

I fully understand the bias, but christ sky and brundle are very hard to watch with the Lewis love in. To quote , how has it taken this long for Lewis to be given a knighthood, given the challenges he has over come and how he has risen above adversities. It just becomes tiring to where I can't watch build up any longer

Santan wrote: »

I fully understand the bias, but christ sky and brundle are very hard to watch with the Lewis love in. To quote , how has it taken this long for Lewis to be given a knighthood, given the challenges he has over come and how he has risen above adversities. It just becomes tiring to where I can't watch build up any longer

His son Alex is as bad with Ticktum in GP2.
Mother of divine, he is every bit as bad.:o

I don't get the past eulogising of Tictum from elements of the British media. I don't rate him at all

BBC wondering aloud if there’s any real reason to think RB will not resign Albon? They have never gone outside the RB family for a a driver. And all the talk about hiring Perez is coming from Perez and the media, not from RB. Marko said only once once that they might consider a driver from outside the RB family but that’s all there’s been from RB. The rest is all speculation fuelled by Perez.

Maybe RB don’t think Perez would me much closer to Max than Albon is. They’re really likely to be second in the championship next year regardless of who is in the second seat. And taking an external driver is an acknowledgment of failure of the driver programme.

I think we’d all like to see Perez in a RB but it might not happen.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

BBC wondering aloud if there’s any real reason to think RB will not resign Albon? They have never gone outside the RB family for a a driver. And all the talk about hiring Perez is coming from Perez and the media, not from RB. Marko said only once once that they might consider a driver from outside the RB family but that’s all there’s been from RB. The rest is all speculation fuelled by Perez.

Maybe RB don’t think Perez would me much closer to Max than Albon is. They’re really likely to be second in the championship next year regardless of who is in the second seat. And taking an external driver is an acknowledgment of failure of the driver programme.

I think we’d all like to see Perez in a RB but it might not happen.

Perez seems just not the right fit for Red Bull. I think they will keep Albon. They clearly believe he has the ability but has yet to display the tough mentality and composure that Verstappen has in abundance. Another season would prove conclusively whether he has what it takes or not.

Jesus christ lads he's lucky to come out of that with his life

Very lucky man, but the way he cut in was crazy in itself

naughto wrote: »

How he survived that I'll never no

Halo saved him I'd say, but very impressive how he got out so quick