League of Legends (LoL) General Chat Thread

BMMachine wrote: »

because its cheap, tacky and lowbrow.

Well that's entirely subjective.. Some would say that it is a fantasy based game and therefore people dont necessarily want to see characters that look like Joe or Jane Bloggs.

BMMachine wrote: »

and yeah, im pretty sure ive seen those male characters with penis's bigger than their head. no wait i havent, but there is loads of female characters with breasts larger than their own head.

No you just see men totally ripped with muscles coming our their ears. Each sex is subjected to typically fantasy look/body stereotypes that are not attainable for the vast majority of us.

BMMachine wrote: »

sure many people like it, im pretty sure these people would like the game without it being completely over sexualised

Many people dont it as a problem because they can separate fantasy from reality. If you don't like it play a different game

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

I'm glad to see more activity in this thread, but over something as trivial as the human body? Big tits, small tits. Big muscles, small muscles, who gives a ****? Most people like sex. As a male i actually like looking at massive tits. Weird i know. But the fact that a lot of the female characters have big tits is not the reason i play the game. The game is popular because its free to play, easy to play and fun to play. Not because 70%-80% of the female's have massive tits.

And what's this "Doesn't really wash well with society does it?" Unless your talking about an Islamic or Amish community then yeah you're spot on, but sex is in almost all forms of western media, more so than game's my friend. So don't turn on your TV, Radio or PC, or even leave the house lest you be subjected to the atrocities of human nature


tldr: You are wrong

Wrong about what? Women are heavily sexualised in video games - there are countless examples, across different decades and from games made in many different countries. LoL is no different, which is his argument.

BMMachine wrote: »

almost 5000 viewers for Kaceytron (who has her name there like pornhub)

creepy creepy creepy

And its nothing but pervs giving her hundreds and thousands so she mentions their name. Utterly pathetic.

BMMachine wrote: »

so what I'm going to do now is make a list of all the over sexualised males I see in the game. I'm going through them all on the LoL site and I'm picking out all the normal 'men' if you get me.
Pantheon has a tank top on, but a helmet covering his face
Ezreal is 'handsome' in that japanese rpg sort of you
Tryndamere is pretty bare chested.

theres hardly "muscles exploding from everywhere" and not nearly enough where its intimidating and only some are moderately sexual. from what I can see they are all in suits of armour and that sorta thing alt-costumes, yeah probably a good few in there but its a mere smattering. nothing to write home about.

now lets do the girls:
Ashe - massive tits, cleavage for no reason
Ahri - massive tits, cleavage for no reason
caitlin - tiny skirt, massive tits, only hints of cleavage (what about her in game chat about handcuffs? 'kinky')
Cassiopia - massive tits from a half-snake creature. mostly naked on top
Evelynne - massive tits, mostly naked
Janna - massive tits, mostly naked
Jinx - mostly naked - oh normal sized breasts therefore making everything else okay because obviously riot acknowledged it............
LeBlanc - massive tits, mostly naked
katarina - massive tits, armoured sports bra
Miss Fortune - massive tits, kinky get up
Morgana - massive tits, lots of nudity
Nidalee - massive tits, skimpy costume
Sona - massive tits, at least shes wearing a dress
Sivir - massive tits, skimpy costume
Vayne - massive tits, leather catsuit
Vi - massive tits, cleavage + armour combo
Zyra - massive tits, skimpy plant costume

so yeah, those intimating over sexualised males really make it all okay and balanced don't they.
Now there is examples of just 'normal' get ups - diana, karma, leona, Irelia, Fiora spring to mind. but ya know, kinky teacher costume for Fiora and of course Riven has a playboy bunny costume.

you say that having sensibilities and awareness in taste is subjective, yeah, you are right, taste is subjective. and if you decide that this sorta of completely over the top super over sexualised characters is fine because 'oh the men have muscles bursting out everywhere' then great, thats you. But the reality is that doesn't really wash well with society does it? This is why the image of a drooling wreck with his hand down his pants watching a girl with a low cut top play their favourite video game is really quite creepy. just because its popular it doesnt mean its good, healthy, or better for people in any way.
It isn't just a problem with LoL either and if this is 'what sells' than I, personally, am embarrassed to be associated with that audience, or at least large portions of it. If you ever wonder why people look down on gaming culture, this is one of the main reasons, and you know what, they are right.

Just lol. Nice rant but I'm not sure what your point is. We could compare notes about champs and their skins male and female but the simple fact is that this game is a fantasy based MOBA which plays on traditional fantasy stereotypes and ainme for its design. There is nothing wrong with fantastical depictions of males or females in an overt sexual way. If you have a problem with that then that's your problem. Your assertion that certain people are creepy or a culture is pathetic quite frankly reveals a lot about your own personality. It's very easy to judge a group or a community whilst sitting on your moral high horse but some of us who have been around for a bit can see right through this kind of moralising and thought policing.

At the end of the day it's a buyers market and if you don't like the community or the design then please feel free to play some whitewashed game where everyone looks like an average Joe and therefore no one feels any pressure to conform to a certain body image or gets the wrong idea about women. This a thread to discuss the game not a thread to discuss feminist theory on sexualisation or female objectification in the popular media. If you want to discuss that topic then please pop over to TLL or TGC and we can discuss further but please we can do without that codswallop here

BMMachine wrote: »

your problem with all that is that LoL is the whitewashed game

You see I don't have a problem, you have a problem. This is what we are discussing is it not, your objection to to the depiction of females in an online game.

BMMachine wrote: »

this kind of lowbrow objectivization is the standard due to people having well, low standards.

So thanks for informing us of what is lowbrow and what equates to low standards. It's nice we have you here as an authority on art.

BMMachine wrote: »

you consider this a "play on traditional fantasy stereotypes" and that right there is the problem. Its not, its really not. you just have that as your level of what to expect

So how is the depiction of both sexes in Lol not a play on traditional fantasy stereotypes (and Anime)? That's a pretty big statement and one I think you will have trouble backing up. Where do you think the designers get their inspiration from? I have read my fair chunk of fantasy over the years, watched Anime and collected comics. I see nothing in LoL that is not recycled from all of those mediums.

BMMachine wrote: »

which is fine, if you think that women should be portrayed like that its your business. but don't get angry at people having higher standards and expecting better.

I dont think women should be portrayed in any particular way. I'm happy for women to be depicted in many different ways just as I am with men. I live in a free society and I'm mature enough to realise that freedom is something to be valued and that means accepting that there are many things that I might not find tasteful or appropriate but its my choice whether I expose myself to those things or not. Back to my original point, you dont like it then play another game, stop trying to impose your own contrived moral standards on a video game and trying to make people believe that because Katarina has big tits and a slim waist that that is somehow harmful to society.

BMMachine wrote: »

yes there is. especially when one sex is objectivised in such an over the top manner for no reason other than to attract a larger (young) male audience. this is probably lost on you though, as like, you have been around for a bit and that seems like a valid enough reason in your mind to dismiss complete gender imbalance and the problems associated with it.

Thats your opinion, its not mine. I dont think there is any problem with the objectification of male or female cartoon characters in a video game. They are not real people, they are fantastical depictions hence the big muscles, big tits and monsters from other dimensions. Your theory as to why the girls are depicted like that is just a theory. I dont hear anybody talking about how they would love to bed Ahri or Kat!!

To your second point, gender imbalance, well you go prove to me that the ladies in LoL contribute to gender imbalance. Are they the reason females get less prison time than men for the same crimes? Are they the reason that women live on average 5-6 years longer than men, are they the reason that womens health issue receive far more public money than men's, are they the reason that men are discriminated against in the family courts, that men get practically no paid paternity leave, that male suicide rates are through the roof in comparison to females, that domestic violence, sexual assault and rape against men is treated as a joke, that men receive no help if they are victims of domestic violence even though meta-studies have shown even distributions of violence amongst men and women. I could go on and on about gender imbalance and happily discuss 3rd wave feminism and all its baggage and nonsense but as I said earlier that is a topic for a different thread and a different forum so go start it and I'll join. This is a discussion forum for the game and we really dont need half baked feminist clap trap telling us what is high brow or low brow or what is morally acceptable or not. Most of us here are adults who can very well make up our own mind about these issues and I certainly dont need someone of your moral persuasion making judgements about what I do or what I like.

This game is set in Valoran, Runeterra. Perhaps there are no overweight women in Runeterra. Maybe all the women in Runeterra are absolute stunners.

Perhaps all the normal men in Runeterra are fat and short and all the male champions are being sexualised.

Anyone heading to the Worlds Viewing party tomorrow in Dublin?

Just watched the open ceremony now, very nice enjoyed it alot. I just wish the players themselves where more charismatic than a wet brown paper bag. I guess to be an e-sport "athlete" these are the sacrifices that have to be made to be the best. Shame though...

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That presenter/host/announcer though! Korean Bruce Buffer

Playboy wrote: »

Was a great show, huge crowds. Hopefully it keeps growing here in Europe and we can see a European team in the final next year. Honestly think Fnatic were talented enough to be in the final but they just had a couple of bad breaks and struggled a little with consistency.

I really don't think they are. They may be talented in a "could take a game off anyone on the day" kind of a way but that's not what wins tournaments. It's talent applied in a consistent way is the key. The Koreans put on so much relentless pressure and don't give a team any chance to come back when they're ahead. They're still a head above everyone else and I'm not sure the Europeans are even in the next tier after their showing this year.

As for the finals themselves; the opening ceremony was very impressive as was the general setup of the stadium. The games themselves weren't very exciting though. It was good to see SHRC pull a game back but I never really believed the comeback was on.

Playboy wrote: »

I dont think they were good enough to win but do think that they are as good as OMG or SHRC. I think the Koreans struggled more against them than any other team (notwithstanding the demolition of NWS by OMG)

They lost twice to OMG so I think it's a bit insulting they say they are as good as them.
And they went 2-4 in the group so the results, I think, speak for themselves. Sure they may have been unlucky in one game but as the old cliché goes, "you make your own luck".
I wish they were on par (or any other European team) as it would make the latter stages of the tournament more interesting when you're watching players you know more about but they're just not.

To say Fnatic are as good as SHRC or OMG is a complete insult to OMG or SHRC, Fnatic are so inconsistent, they only good players they have on the team are their bot lane. The rest are terrible nowadays.

I agree 100% with Seifer, it would make it more interesting to see a European team in there but to say they're as good as the others is just wrong. I'd literally only be supporting them for Rekkles, who is rumoured to be leaving but this was "quashed" by Fnatic themselves saying he is contracted into 2015.


-edit- Nobody on Fnatic except their bot lane are as good as the chinese teams, maybe xPeke is as good as corn but that's not saying much considering how weak corn is in comparison to the other mid laners.

Playboy wrote: »

I think you are overreacting saying that the comparison is a complete insult... I explained my reasoning in the last post. Xpeke is still a quality player who was as good if not better than Dade in both games vs SSB. Dade was considered the best player in the world going into the tournament. Rekkles and Yellowstar are a very good botlane and Soaz is a good toplaner if a bit inconsistent. Top laners have struggled in this meta and tournament though with Freddy and Gogoing being the ones that impressed me most. Cyanide is imo the only real weak link in then team and if Fnatic managed to find a quality replacement then you see a much improved team.

When was Dade considered the best? Pawn was considered the best because he single handedly beat Faker in lane multiple times.

That is overhype if ever i've seen it, Gogoing at 17 as well and Pawn isn't even on it yet he single handedly smashed every mid laner in the tournament.

Someone take some photos and pop them up there please

Anyone having trouble accessing teambuilder? When i click to join a team, i can not select a champion or role !

How bout that new jungle? Alot of junglers having a hard time having the back after 3-4 camps. Where the likes of Aatrox, Fiddle, Warwick and Pantheon have become strong. Pantheon and Warwick are pretty much pick or ban i feel at the moment. As Panth With AS reds and without a leash i cleared Krugs (Smite) and took red straight with a loss of about 5% HP after red. Its pretty insane.

Diana jungle (my guilty pleasure) i feel is weaker. Although on the game i played with her i did a normal S4 clear with smite on blue, which is pointless i feel. Spirit stone could let Diana self sustain in the jungle but with the removal of the passive she kinda needs blue on the 2nd or ever 3rd respawn.

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

Warwick is very strong jungle now, you can take AS quints and clear both sides without needing to use a pot which is just so different to how most other junglers are comparing. I cant help but think that Riot really ****ed the jungle up so much now, they keep talking about versatility but now it has had the opposite effect.

It's been live for a week? They have the whole of the off-season to tweak it; let's hold off on the dramatics.