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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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    #7622
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,071 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You mean that they are doing their damndest to form a government.

    We should be mature enough as a country to accept that some things are better not done and less damaging.
    There is no need for this power swap thing of selling souls and principles and the giving away of freebies to politicians and constituencies lucky enough to hold the power. Go back to the people...cheaper and more honest all round.


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    #7623
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We should be mature enough as a country to accept that some things are better not done and less damaging.
    There is no need for this power swap thing of selling souls and principles and the giving away of freebies to politicians and constituencies lucky enough to hold the power. Go back to the people...cheaper and more honest all round.

    So all hope for SF now gone this time around Francie?


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    #7624
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Interesting how you got that summation from that article given that the group met with the three party leaders.
    Reading between the lines between the lines maybe?

    Do you honest believe that FF/FG have suddenly decided that now with the Green's on board now its time to increase the majority of the proposed coalition government. Why not have included the Regional Independents a month ago?

    My reading if it is simply this.
    FF/FG have approached the Regional Independent Group for two reason. First it is likely to put pressure on the Green's to cave in and accept whats on offer at this time, whether this will work depends on how good the Green negotiating team is and whether Eamonn Ryan is smart enough to see what is happening.

    Second if the Greens pull out, or more likely that FG refuse to give ground on certain issues, it give FF/FG the opportunity to tell the Greens to feck off with themselves and their unrealistic demands if they could be fairly certain of getting the Regional Independent group on board, despite the unsavoury baggage that comes with that group.

    It would give them a government of 80 seats, barely enough, or as an added bonus if the Green's cave in a majority sufficient enough so that when things get tough neither the Greens or the Independents could threaten to walk out and pull down a government.

    Its basically a pressure play on the Greens, or a back up if the Greens refuse cave in.


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    #7625
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    efanton wrote: »
    Do you honest believe that FF/FG have suddenly decided that now with the Green's on board now its time to increase the majority of the proposed coalition government.

    My reading if it is simply this.
    FF/FG have approached the Regional Independent Group for two reason. First it is likely to put pressure on the Green's to cave in and accept whats on offer at this time, whether this will work depends on how good the Green negotiating team is and whether Eamonn Ryan is smart enough to see what is happening.

    Second if the Greens pull out, or more likely that FG refuse to give ground on certain issues, it give FF/FG the opportunity to tell the Greens to feck off with themselves and their unrealistic demands if they could be fairly certain of getting the Regional Independent group on board, despite the unsavoury baggage that comes with that group.

    It would give them a government of 80 seats, barely enough, or as an added bonus if the Green's cave in a majority sufficient enough so that when things get tough neither the Greens or the Independents could threaten to walk out and pull down a government.

    Its basically a pressure play on the Greens, or a back up if the Greens refuse cave in.

    Personally I just see it as something FF or the greens might want, someone else to take the heat if some unpopular decisions have to be made.


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    #7626
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Personally I just see it as something FF or the greens might want, someone else to take the heat if some unpopular decisions have to be made.

    If it was another political party I would agree with you.
    But its independents, and with the likes of Micheal Lowry in that group you can be certain they will not allow themselves to carry the can.
    There would be no point in bringing them on board unless there was an ulterior motive


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    #7627
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,071 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    So all hope for SF now gone this time around Francie?

    Oh...we want to talk about SF again.


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    #7628
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    FG just being FG again. What a dissapointing party. How is it they hide behind this dubious legal advice whenever a backbone is needed? It's their equivalent of shadowy figures.

    https://twitter.com/frances_black/status/1268488873958653952?s=19


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    #7629
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    smurgen wrote: »
    FG just being FG again. What a dissapointing party. How is it they hide behind this dubious legal advice whenever a backbone is needed? It's their equivalent of shadowy figures.

    https://twitter.com/frances_black/status/1268488873958653952?s=19

    I see not my Taoiseach is trending on twitter today again. What has leo gone and done now does anyone know?


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    #7630
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,071 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I see not my Taoiseach is trending on twitter today again. What has leo gone and done now does anyone know?

    Size nines (socks and all) in it again.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1268511708152201217


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    #7631
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    efanton wrote: »
    My personal opinion is this move is more likely to be driven by Michael Martin than Leo or FG, but this would give the coalition government just 80 seats. There will be no room whatsoever for an unexpected revolt from an independent TD, an independent essentially black mailing the government or making additional demands for their support once a government is formed, or the unfortunate death of a government TD.
    Whatever comes out the other end is really just going to be about delaying the election until C19 is sorted.


    Way things are going I might end up voting Green purely because they at least made a half-arsed attempt at building a coalition. I hate all their policies but they at least have something resembling a spine.


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    #7632
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    A sectarian party calling out racists, it'd be funny if it weren't so serious a topic.

    Ah it's funny anyway.


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    #7633
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    PommieBast wrote: »
    Whatever comes out the other end is really just going to be about delaying the election until C19 is sorted.


    Way things are going I might end up voting Green purely because they at least made a half-arsed attempt at building a coalition. I hate all their policies but they at least have something resembling a spine.


    I think the Green have really shot themselves in the foot.

    Had they agreed to drop the hard 7% rule for every year and allowed that to be flexible so that at the end of 10 years you got the same result, and dropped their insistence on dropping road projects and reducing the road maintenance budget to that which would barely cover the costs of fixing pot holes, and then insisted that all the other Green demands that were agreed would be fully document and published in the program for government along with pre-agreed budgets for these measure it would have been a massive win for the Green and indeed for the country as a whole

    Now its likely that they might walk away with nothing.


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    #7634
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    McMurphy wrote: »
    I see not my Taoiseach is trending on twitter today again. What has leo gone and done now does anyone know?

    Annoying losers, oddballs, and cranks on Twitter isn’t going to keep him awake at night, Murph.


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    #7635
    [Deleted User]
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Annoying losers, oddballs, and cranks on Twitter isn’t going to keep him awake at night, Murph.
    Nor twits on other forums.


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    #7636
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Annoying losers, oddballs, and cranks on Twitter isn’t going to keep him awake at night, Murph.

    Trump type language. Him and Leo are great mates mind so I suppose it makes sense his defenders would start speaking like the Donald eventually.


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    #7637
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    The latest notion of an interim government to pass legislation and then an election when we get the all clear seems questionable, MM gets to call himself Taoiseach, FG get to sign off on Dinny getting EIR from Iliad in exchange for one of his Carribean networks, AIB (us) financing of course and The Greens getting a few free Teslas


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    #7638
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    A sectarian party calling out racists, it'd be funny if it weren't so serious a topic.

    Ah it's funny anyway.

    The Blueshirts probably delighted with trump's push to label antifa a terrorist organisation for obvious reasons.


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    #7639
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    And to think he was calling ML two-faced only weeks ago :)

    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1268604799181783040?s=19


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    #7640
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    A sectarian party calling out racists, it'd be funny if it weren't so serious a topic.

    Ah it's funny anyway.

    Sectarian in which way? Plenty of protestants have supported SF and republicanism.
    There no rule that says you cant join SF if you are a protestant or any religion other than catholic.

    During the troubles there were even protestant members of the IRA, how would that square with what you are saying?

    Believe it or not there are still protestants who believe in a united Ireland and there been a long list of them. Likewise there have been catholic who continue to support the idea of a British Union and they still exist.

    To suggest SF are sectarian is totally false. You can certainly accuse them of republicanism and against any form of Unionism, but that has nothing to do with sectarianism or the religion or background of a person.

    I suppose you could use the word sectarian in the sense of political doctrine but surely that has nothing to do with religion, colour, background. In that sense it would be equally valid to say there is a sectarian divide between FF and FG.


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    #7641
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Annoying losers, oddballs, and cranks on Twitter isn’t going to keep him awake at night, Murph.
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Nor twits on other forums.

    Make lemonade! Fierce bitter sucking those lemons dudes.

    People are just quoting Varadkar. Talk to him.


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    #7642
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Michael Lowry and Verona Murphy open to support FF-FG-Green coalition after meeting party leaders
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/michael-lowry-and-verona-murphy-open-to-support-ff-fg-green-coalition-after-meeting-party-leaders-39260808.html

    The best people....
    Stay classy Fine Gael ;)

    I just thought of the next quango.
    Re-education direct provision centers...now if only we could find a politician who can strike a deal with some businessman....hmmmm.


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    #7643
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    efanton wrote: »
    Sectarian in which way? Plenty of protestants have supported SF and republicanism.
    There no rule that says you cant join SF if you are a protestant or any religion other than catholic.

    During the troubles there were even protestant members of the IRA, how would that square with what you are saying?

    Believe it or not there are still protestants who believe in a united Ireland and there been a long list of them. Likewise there have been catholic who continue to support the idea of a British Union and they still exist.

    To suggest SF are sectarian is totally false. You can certainly accuse them of republicanism and against any form of Unionism, but that has nothing to do with sectarianism or the religion or background of a person.

    I suppose you could use the word sectarian in the sense of political doctrine but surely that has nothing to do with religion, colour, background. In that sense it would be equally valid to say there is a sectarian divide between FF and FG.

    FG have supported sectarianism in the North, turning a blind eye to injustice for decades , some FGers consider the victims of Loyalism as getting what they deserved, remember these people gave Michael Stone a round ofapplause on the LLS.


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    #7644
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,248 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We should be mature enough as a country to accept that some things are better not done and less damaging.
    There is no need for this power swap thing of selling souls and principles and the giving away of freebies to politicians and constituencies lucky enough to hold the power. Go back to the people...cheaper and more honest all round.


    Desperation stakes?

    SF look far from power now, after all the general election celebrations


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    #7645
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,071 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Desperation stakes?

    SF look far from power now, after all the general election celebrations

    The 'celebrations' under your bed blanch? :)

    I didn't see any celebrating of being in government. Are you that bitter about it all that you would deny them celebrating finishing as top party after all the negativity?
    Don't answer that, we know the answer.


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    #7646
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    blanch152 wrote: »
    SF look far from power now, after all the general election celebrations
    Oh god, that newly-elected TD doing Come Out ye Black and Tans in the pub? They seriously need to let that stuff go, because to me it is the sort of cheap dog-whistling that UKIP got upto.


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    #7647
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Desperation stakes?

    SF look far from power now, after all the general election celebrations

    AS far away as another party it seems.

    Roll on GE2.


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    #7648
    PommieBast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    efanton wrote: »
    I think the Green have really shot themselves in the foot.
    More like they should stop pulling the trigger.


    Realistically the 7% target is what they should have ran with as the big-ticket item, maybe with three or four other things. That list of 17 "demands" already covered to death in another thread meant from the outset that their final position would be an inevitable retreat.


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    #7649
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,843 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Lads listen to this . Gave me a few good laugh out loud moments !!!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/stephen-collins-big-two-must-take-fight-to-sf-on-social-media-1.4270879?mode=amp


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    #7650
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why would I ...

    So, you admit, you are just mouthing off with little or no knowledge about the facts of the issue.

    Your modus operandi is, mine for a tweet, cue faux outrage with dollops of ad-hominins and pejorative name-calling. Rinse and repeat a few thousand times.

    All from someone who never voted for SF before the last election. :pac:


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    #7651
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    efanton wrote: »
    So it would be acceptable to you to see Micheal Lowry, a convicted crook, in government?


    I would not be too happy to see Lowry in government but then look at someone like Dessie Ellis, someone whose actions have left people killed and murdered.
    A SINN Fein TD is believed to have been involved in 50 murders during the Troubles, new documents reveal.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-sinn-fein-td-who-is-linked-to-50-murders-28951973.html

    If we are to accept to have people like him in government, then Lowry would also pass the bar.


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