Nintendo: General Discussion

dunworth1 · 29-10-2017 12:59pm

buzzinb wrote: »

Nintendo are at the PlayersXpo event also. Dedicated zone.

officially?

MickF1 · 29-10-2017 1:28pm

Nintendo area featuring Super Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart & Zelda. Come and checkout the switch lounge on level 1.

dunworth1 wrote: »

officially?

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 9:47am

Finally figured how to use my GC controllers with the Switch via the adapter.
I went into the "search for controllers", then backed out to the main menu when it just popped into life!

Then played a little bit of Super Mario Odyssey this morning with the Gamecube controller, feels odd to be sure!
I wonder if the analogue shoulder buttons report accurately to the hardware?
Could be interesting for future controller developments.

sligeach · 30-10-2017 10:10am

Nintendo's financial results.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/171030e.pdf
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

Sorry, meant to post this earlier but it completely slipped my mind. Some interesting stuff in there. They've sold 7.6 million Switch's and plan to ship 16.7 million by the end of the first fiscal year(March 2018).

Software numbers

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
4.70 million pcs.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
4.42 million pcs.

Splatoon 2
3.61 million pcs.

1-2-Switch
1.37 million pcs.

ARMS
1.35 million pcs.

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/924903180269260801

Nintendo have made crazy predictions before. Even when Wii U was having heart attacks they kept having optimistic figures only to later continually revise them. Yes the Switch is doing well but I don't think it'll reach that target and I don't think it'll surpass lifetime 3DS sales. And it's fairly bad that a product is missing such basic features for 20-25% of its life.

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 10:43am

sligeach wrote: »

Nintendo have made crazy predictions before. Even when Wii U was having heart attacks they kept having optimistic figures only to later continually revise them. Yes the Switch is doing well but I don't think it'll reach that target and I don't think it'll surpass lifetime 3DS sales. And it's fairly bad that a product is missing such basic features for 20-25% of its life.

Negative.... again.

Why would 3DS sales now be the metric the Switch must be measured against?
A bit arbitrary I think.

And, your opinion is ill informed, the Switch is on a great sales trajectory there is no reason to assume this is going to deteriorate, especially coming into it's first holiday season.

And, that final point on the features being missing, perhaps as a Nintendo only owner you are ignorant of the fact that pretty much every modern console since the mid 00's has had an evolving feature list, with things added and removed over time, and the Switch has been no different.

Stop portraying this normal part of a modern console as "bad", it's at best simply mistaken, at worst it's another example of negative reporting with no evidence.

Banjo · 30-10-2017 11:06am

We're 2-3 generations in to the Mainstreaming of Online Services. There should be no room any more for tentative steps and What Ifs. Standards have been set by those previous generations. Certain features, if they are to be introduced at all, are part of that standard. They should be available at or close to launch. The fact that they can be patched in through software updates distributed via a vast network - instead of, say, having to mail out/sell a disc or peripheral, or have people return their system for a firmware flash, so it's cheap and convenient, has made manufacturers lazy and blasé.

Look, I can understand the argument that, after the WiiU, Nintendo want to have a tight focus on the mission statement for the Switch, and releasing a bunch of ancillary services dilutes that, but those services should still have been ready to go from Day 1 just waiting for a button press once we're sure that the brand and the message are understood by the public.

But they aren't.

Netflix may be ready to go *now*, but there's no sign of a browser (possibly for security reasons), there are no signs of other media services, no uplay or origin intergrations, their own Shopfront is bare bones, the GUI nearly 8 months in is getting very messy now that own more than 4 games and demos. They should have been ready for this, anticipating these needs and problems and staying one step ahead instead of dropping arch comments in interviews that never amount to anything, like a Bond villain with no henchman who hasn't paid his electric bill.

Regarding 3DS numbers - there's no suggestion that there's a replacement for the 3DS in the offing. We all know the Switch is that replacement, we're just waiting till the numbers are good enough that Ninty can make it official. And as such, I think it's ok for Ninty to hope for 3DS numbers and for punters to use those numbers as the bar. However, they should also take into account the amount of double and triple dipping that went on in the 3DS space with the hardware revisions, limited edition casings and the need for multiple consoles for family play that the Switch is unlikely to be able to replicate at it's current price point and with it's expanded functionality.

sligeach · 30-10-2017 11:08am

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Negative.... again.

Why would 3DS sales now be the metric the Switch must be measured against?
A bit arbitrary I think.

And, your opinion is ill informed, the Switch is on a great sales trajectory there is no reason to assume this is going to deteriorate, especially coming into it's first holiday season.

And, that final point on the features being missing, perhaps as a Nintendo only owner you are ignorant of the fact that pretty much every modern console since the mid 00's has had an evolving feature list, with things added and removed over time, and the Switch has been no different.

Stop portraying this normal part of a modern console as "bad", it's at best simply mistaken, at worst it's another example of negative reporting with no evidence.

Not negative, realistic. The Switch is a handheld. The 3DS is the handheld that came out before the Switch, so it's a very suitable comparison. Did the Wii or Wii U lack a browser for a year? Or Virtual Console? I could be wrong but I think Nintendo have blown their load for the first year. Can you name all the big games coming next year? Wolfenstein 2, Kirby, Yoshi. Are they system sellers? Pokemon will be if it releases next year. Metroid Prime 4 won't be out next year and Metroid as much as I love it has never been a system seller. I hope they have big games unannounced. Pikmin 4(again, not a system seller) is somewhere, another game robbed of a Wii U release. SMO too, started life on Wii U.

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 11:21am

I see your point Banjo.
Now put it away before you get arrested.

The thing about online services is that it isn't just a matter of turning it on.
It's a process that needs to be built properly or it's a source of misery.
Remember the PS3?
It seemed to have a serviceable online service, right up to the point that you tried to download something, were forced to download something or compared it to the 360.

You're right, these are older consoles, modern expectations demand a modern service, and a modern service now on a current console, but the Switch is new and taking a new approach compared to Nintendo consoles before, perhaps we should be patient with them?
Why should we be borderline petulant because the UI wasn't fixed to some ill-defined standard yesterday?

Netflix and Plex would be great to see on the Switch, but I've got at least a dozen devices in my home, portable and otherwise, that can already access these services.
Surely it's not regrettable to see a games console released with a focus on games, instead of being yet another streaming device/multimedia hub?
That is the only standard a games console needs to achieve, at least at it's foundations, as a platform for great games.
If a networking standard can make these games even better, then sure, lets see investment, but otherwise perhaps it's an extra.

But I think it's on the way, the only people "inconvenienced" are those of us who bought one in Year One, and will ultimately represent a significant minority of that body of people to eventually own a Switch, and early adopters have always suffered under the yoke of being early to the party. #firstworldproblems.

I think the use of the 3DS as a metric for Switch success is the persistent misrepresentation of the Switch as a non-Nintendo mainstream console and as a Nintendo handheld instead, as a further stick to beat the demon of disappointment that is Nintendo for them.
Of course, the Switch IS a mainstream Nintendo console, regardless of it's hybrid nature, but then some mouthpieces wish to persist in this narrative, believing their opinion to possess some entitlement of being a FACT, when it really is just subjective opinion, formed more due to the performance of the WiiU in the marketplace and some sort of ridiculous rage about it.

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 11:24am

sligeach wrote: »

Not negative, realistic. The Switch is a handheld. The 3DS is the handheld that came out before the Switch, so it's a very suitable comparison. Did the Wii or Wii U lack a browser for a year? Or Virtual Console? I could be wrong but I think Nintendo have blown their load for the first year. Can you name all the big games coming next year? Wolfenstein 2, Kirby, Yoshi. Are they system sellers? Pokemon will be if it releases next year. Metroid Prime 4 won't be out next year and Metroid as much as I love it has never been a system seller. I hope they have big games unannounced. Pikmin 4(again, not a system seller) is somewhere, another game robbed of a Wii U release. SMO too, started life on Wii U.

You're talking rot Sligeach.

And it's just the same old negativity repeated again and again.

You don't own one.
I no longer care.

I have no interest in correcting everything you say, enough to say it's more seated in your misplaced rage over the WiiU.

Get over it or just keep playing Super Mario World, whatever.

Star Lord · 30-10-2017 11:29am

sligeach wrote: »

The Switch is a handheld. The 3DS is the handheld that came out before the Switch, so it's a very suitable comparison. Did the Wii or Wii U lack a browser for a year? ... SMO too, started life on Wii U.

Seriously? There's a difference between bringing balanced commentary, and simply posting negative diatribe for the sake of it. I'm glad you're back posting with us, but seriously, give this nonsense a break. The switch is a hybrid console. Your refusal to acknowledge it as being a home console that's also portable is simply belligerence at this stage. You have some good points to make, and you've made them well in other posts. Repeating the same points again and again ad infinitum dilutes your points, and it comes across as talking down to people. Soapboxing in this manner is grating though, and people can only stand so much of that.

Have you anything to back up the SMO comment?

Pac1Man · 30-10-2017 11:38am

sligeach wrote: »

Can you name all the big games coming next year? Wolfenstein 2, Kirby, Yoshi. Are they system sellers? Pokemon will be if it releases next year. Metroid Prime 4 won't be out next year and Metroid as much as I love it has never been a system seller. I hope they have big games unannounced.

The console already has system sellers. Why does it need some every year? No console ever has that.

I don't think I could ever justify spending €400-500 for the ability to play one game so in truth, no game is a system seller for me. However, eventually there comes a time when it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. All of those games you mention are certainly putting more strain on that camel. Xenoblade is still to come too.

Banjo · 30-10-2017 11:46am

Online :
Is there a good reason why they're playing still playing catch-up with 2 stationary and 2 portable consoles with Online capabilities and 13 years behind them? How many decades does it take for Patient to become Complacent?

As a very prolific Conslut, I don't think you are in a position to understand how patient we chaste, pure monogamers have been so far.

What I'm saying is - yeah, the Switch is new and in that regard deserves some room to find it's feet. But this problem is not new. This problem has been Nintendo's approach to Online all the way along. And this was their opportunity, coming off the back of a high profile failure, to show the world that they had gotten their **** together.

Services :
The Switch is portable. Any media capability it could have is no longer competing with the XB/PS, because you can't take them on the go. And your phone - believe it or not - might need some of it's battery life for the taking and making of phone calls where if your Switch battery dies, it switches off and life goes on. So actually, far from being just another device it's actually got quite a nice little niche for itself. Having FlixPlex and whatnot available on it to piggyback off any local Wifi you can find (or using your mobile data via your phone without the drain of your phone's screen) would actually be quite a handy feature.

And that's before you take into account that I'm a cave dwelling luddite monogamer with no other consoles, no streaming solution in my attic, and an admittedly kick-ass sexy phone with a battery capacity like a 6 month old's bladder, for whom having a media-fied games console in their bag would be like having access to Fire or The Wheel.

System Sellers :
The Switch just had two of the greatest games of all time in the space of 8 months. One the one hand, that's phenomenal. On the other, I have a sinking feeling we'll get to June 2018 and there will be a general malaise of "Yeah, but what have you done for me lately?" (oooh-ooh-oooh yeah!, if you're nasty) and there will be no answer if Pokemon or Metroid isn't ready to be demoed.

sligeach · 30-10-2017 11:51am

Star Lord wrote: »

Seriously? There's a difference between bringing balanced commentary, and simply posting negative diatribe for the sake of it. I'm glad you're back posting with us, but seriously, give this nonsense a break. The switch is a hybrid console. Your refusal to acknowledge it as being a home console that's also portable is simply belligerence at this stage. You have some good points to make, and you've made them well in other posts. Repeating the same points again and again ad infinitum dilutes your points, and it comes across as talking down to people. Soapboxing in this manner is grating though, and people can only stand so much of that.

Have you anything to back up the SMO comment?

That's your opinion, I see it as the opposite. The Switch is the 3DS's replacement, Nintendo won't admit that, but that's what it is and if they can bring some console gamers along for the journey by adding TV out then why not. The Wii U could run Super Mario Odyssey, obviously at a lower resolution and maybe reduced to 30fps. Is that a great evolution for a console? I've said it before, it's a great handheld but as a console it's barely better than the Wii U and in many instances it's worse.

Super Mario Odyssey was started immediately after SM3DW came out and was developed by the same team. SM3DW came out in November 2013. Do you think they had Switch hardware 4 years ago?

Edit: Also, if the Wii U was stripped of a browser, apps, Miiverse, off-TV gaming on the gamepad, etc, I'm sure it could have performed a little better as well.

tony1980 · 30-10-2017 11:55am

Why do you keep repeating it though, you have made your point, we have heard the same thing over and over so I can’t see the point of you posting this stuff.

Star Lord · 30-10-2017 11:57am

sligeach wrote: »

The Wii U could run Super Mario Odyssey, obviously at a lower resolution and maybe reduced to 30fps. Is that a great evolution for a console?

It's less than half the size of the Wii U, the console alone, never mind the gamepad, and still out performs it. Yes, that is a great evolution for a console.

Doesn't matter that they wouldn't have had the hardware at that stage, it'd have been well into planning, and the game would have been developed with the next platform in mind.

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 12:07pm

Given the doldrums the Nintendo brand had reached by 2016, the performance of the Switch has been remarkable and supremely admirable.
I still think my call that the NES Mini was a brand relaunch was the right one, it primed the punters to see Nintendo as being a games company making games that have inspired generations of both players and developers, and had the brand perfectly placed when the Switch was announced.
Regarding streaming solutions on the Switch, it'd be great, but it's not a feature I need right now.
I'm happy to see the device pitched at games for now, but I agree it doesn't have to be an "or" decision, one should have both Mario Odyssey and Plex/Netflix/Amazon Prime, but it's no sin that they aren't there.
How are such apps commissioned anyway?
I'm not clear on that process myself.

Concerning the line up for 2018, with a LoZ, Mario Kart and SMO all on the market already, it's might appear that all the big ones are on the market already, but consider instead that the Switch will feature, in time, a new LoZ and MK title dedicated to the console, and that the Nintendo IP pool is incredibly deep, with the likes of Metroid, F-Zero, Waverace, Donkey Kong Country and many more waiting to be developed or in development.
No reason to suspect that the quality of the products is going to suffer either.

3rd party development is in the ascendant as well, and it's going to be very interesting to see what established 3rd party developers are going to do with the Switch, particularly as the user base expands to the point that they simply can't ignore it.
With big ticket, expensive titles like Mass Effect find themselves canned following poor sales, it might be that a cheaper to develop for Switch with an audience of paying customers could be the place to be.

johnny_ultimate · 30-10-2017 12:10pm

Counterpoint to everyone:

https://twitter.com/nomcomms/status/924007519680262144

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 12:12pm

sligeach wrote: »

That's your opinion, I see it as the opposite. The Switch is the 3DS's replacement, Nintendo won't admit that, but that's what it is and if they can bring some console gamers along for the journey by adding TV out then why not. The Wii U could run Super Mario Odyssey, obviously at a lower resolution and maybe reduced to 30fps. Is that a great evolution for a console? I've said it before, it's a great handheld but as a console it's barely better than the Wii U and in many instances it's worse.

Opinion, and so much wrong.

The WiiU could run SMO?

So what?

The Wii could run SMW3D, with all sort of restrictions, doesn't make it a Wii game, it's a WiiU game.

Games development precedes console releases in every case, and shifts from dev kit to dev kit, nothing unusual or terrible there.
That dev kits change is normal.
That a person would imagine that this means that SMO is a WiiU game is just ridiculous.

It's unfortunate too, given that so many have posted how much they've missed your contributions, that upon your return you default to this type of commentary.

earthwormjack · 30-10-2017 12:22pm

ARMS at 1.35 million

Good work, it probably squeaks into my top 3 games on the system. Been a great year all around for Nintendo software/hardware wise so far. Switch also has the potential to outsell the Wii U in it's first year. Quite a turnaround from that disaster.

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 12:26pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

ARMS at 1.35 million Good work, it probably squeaks into my top 3 games on the system. Been a great year all around for Nintendo software/hardware wise so far.

Arms is a stunning thing, an original IP that has done so well and entirely within the launch window too!

I must confess, I'm not it's biggest fan, but it has struck a chord and I would hope that the pattern of free updates continue, and it's see's continuing sales into the next year, as new users come on stream.

It matches well with the similar success of the Splatoon franchise and makes clear the lie that Nintendo rely on existing IP, a line of bull that those who would recreationally pour scorn on Nintendo would troll with.

sligeach · 30-10-2017 12:26pm

Star Lord wrote: »

It's less than half the size of the Wii U, the console alone, never mind the gamepad, and still out performs it. Yes, that is a great evolution for a console.

Doesn't matter that they wouldn't have had the hardware at that stage, it'd have been well into planning, and the game would have been developed with the next platform in mind.

The size doesn't matter as a console, sure it's impressive but that's down to Nvidia, not Nintendo. It matters for a handheld though.

So the Wii U was exactly a year old and Nintendo had already started developing games for the next platform? Who knows, the Wii U was such an unmitigated disaster from the get-go that anything's possible. Nah, it would have been planned and developed initially for Wii U.

On another note, I still haven't seen a single Switch ad on TV. Still seeing loads fo PS4 and to a lesser extent XB1.

earthwormjack · 30-10-2017 12:28pm

I see ads for Switch all the time I have to admit. More than Xbox at least, all depends on the TV stations being watched I guess. Cartoon Network and the like are on a lot in my house.

Pac1Man · 30-10-2017 12:29pm

sligeach wrote: »

On another note, I still haven't seen a single Switch ad on TV. Still seeing loads fo PS4 and to a lesser extent XB1.

I've seen loads. Splatoon focused ones.

Banjo · 30-10-2017 12:37pm

sligeach wrote: »

On another note, I still haven't seen a single Switch ad on TV. Still seeing loads fo PS4 and to a lesser extent XB1.

Come on man, you know that this is very much a "it's not them, it's you" thing. We've been down this road before. Although, maybe the fact that you don't see them shows that you are not Nintendo's target audience?

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 12:37pm

sligeach wrote: »

The size doesn't matter as a console, sure it's impressive but that's down to Nvidia, not Nintendo. It matters for a handheld though.

Every console has a brand chipset in there,
PS4 and XB1 both have AMD chipsets, with both using AMD graphics solutions.
The Switch is based around Nvdia instead.
Nvidia didn't design the Switch any more than AMD designed the PS4 or XB1.

So the Wii U was exactly a year old and Nintendo had already started developing games for the next platform? Who knows, the Wii U was such an unmitigated disaster from the get-go that anything's possible. Nah, it would have been planned and developed initially for Wii U.

Super Mario Odyssey's development began in 2013, after SM3DW was released, the key word is "began".
A process of prototyping, developing the various components of the game, the initial platform means nothing.
It is not a WiiU game, it wasn't released as such, it's primary development has been for the Switch, as that system has been around as a concept since 2014, following massive losses due to the failure of the WiiU.
So it was likely to be entirely a Switch title since SMO had any significant digital form, given the gestation period of a modern videogame and it's likely release would intersect with the hardware release of the WiiU's replacement.

On another note, I still haven't seen a single Switch ad on TV. Still seeing loads fo PS4 and to a lesser extent XB1.

This was covered elsewhere, perhaps you are watching channels that don't feature the adverts themselves, doesn't seem to matter though, the Switch is still selling just fine without them.
And what has TV advertising got to do with anything at all?

sligeach · 30-10-2017 1:01pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

I see ads for Switch all the time I have to admit. More than Xbox at least, all depends on the TV stations being watched I guess. Cartoon Network and the like are on a lot in my house.

I'm not going to be watching stations like that.

earthwormjack · 30-10-2017 1:04pm

You're missing out. There's some quality cartoons on there these days.

Andrew76 · 30-10-2017 1:04pm

Question for Banjo, or any other the other Switch owners actually - if you could make any changes/improvements to the Switch (hardware/software/anything) what would your top choices be?

Banjo · 30-10-2017 1:06pm

I saw you dance... in the corner... I heard your name... in a conversation.... playing hard to get.... but I can understand...

(oops - this was in a response to Sligeach not watching Cartoon Network...)

@Andrew76

I went on the eShop when Octopath Traveller demo was released. There was no Demo section. There was no hit for the word "Demo". I had to log onto the website on my phone - because there's no browser on the Switch - to search the site for it and trigger the download, then power up my switch momentarily to get it to pick up the request to download.
That, in a word, is <snip> - Actually I've tried 3 different words, none of which were as apt as the original but actually highlight the problem with the original more, even though that was not the original words intent. Christ, this is a minefield. Ok, more than one word. As a design, it's been held back by a failure to look at the end to end user experience. I think I avoided anything there that can be misconstrued as an attack on the differently abled. Everyone happy? The wheels are rollin', let's move on!

So I'd change the shop. The Gui. I'd like to see a series of "Player 2" joycons where they reduce the cost by removing tech you don't need to have in a 2nd set of joy cons like NFC or IR, but also bring in stuff you don't have like the L-JC Dpad or analog triggers, so you could - for example - choose to have a DPad/A-Trig Left Joycon with a default right Joycon with clicky triggers and an NFC reader to play some Amiibo based racing sim that has 2D fighter sections, on the go, if that's your thing.

For the most part the hardware is fine. If they brought out a faster, stronger, higher resolution, lighter version that could be used in a VR Headset, or a dock with a co-processor and external storage support in a year or two, I can live with that.

I'd like to see a Family account system so there's an incentive for me to own more than one, where either nominated accounts can share games or you can buy a multi-user license extension that's cheaper than buying the full game a bunch of times. A family account would inhibit region-hopping so it's a win-win.

earthwormjack · 30-10-2017 1:06pm

Might be a silly one, but I'd love a kick stand similar to the Microsoft Surface line on the back. The flimsy one on it now is a bit crap.

It just makes far more sense.

OwaynOTT · 30-10-2017 1:17pm

I've seen switch ads on sky Atlantic. Which I reckon is one of the biggest sky channels along with the sports.
Really don't think they can do more than that TV wise.
Of all the things to bash the Switch about media presence in my view isn't one. The difference between the wiiu and Switch is night and day in that regard.

ERG89 · 30-10-2017 2:33pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

Question for Banjo, or any other the other Switch owners actually - if you could make any changes/improvements to the Switch (hardware/software/anything) what would your top choices be?

For me.
Improve the wifi on the system, make the bezel around the screen far smaller, wider analogue sticks, larger buttons on joycons, headphone jack at the bottom of the system its so awkward in handheld mode, internal memory at 32 GB's is very poor too.
Its a fun system but I know if they do a hardware revision I will definitely trade in the original system

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 2:36pm

I'd make the screen bigger, and analogue triggers.
Perhaps a bump in the built in storage as well.

earthwormjack wrote: »

Might be a silly one, but I'd love a kick stand similar to the Microsoft Surface line on the back. The flimsy one on it now is a bit crap.

I think the kick stand design is deliberate, being able to breakaway if forced into the dock with it extended, but I'm sure it can be improved.

OwaynOTT · 30-10-2017 2:37pm

Is the wifi an improvement over the 3ds and wiiu because they were useless at it. Proper internal memory would be nice but what cheap but decent portable unit has plenty of built in memory?

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 2:39pm

Banjo wrote: »

That, in a word, is retarded. .

I really don't like that word being used in a derogatory way.
I can't tell you not to, I am not the moderator of this forum either, I'm sure he wouldn't tell someone not to use certain language either, and I don't want to "trigger" a free speech response either.
But, being from an Intellectual Disability background of some 32 years or so, man and boy, I really hate that term.

mayordenis · 30-10-2017 2:48pm

ERG89 wrote: »

For me.
Improve the wifi on the system

I think this is the single biggest issue for me. I have no issue with anything else really.

earthwormjack · 30-10-2017 2:53pm

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Is the wifi an improvement over the 3ds and wiiu because they were useless at it. Proper internal memory would be nice but what cheap but decent portable unit has plenty of built in memory?

It has the worst WiFi performance of any device I own. It's the only major problem I have with it so far. My Wii U is proving way better in regards to WiFi.

Edit: I remember reading that it performs better on 5ghz WiFi. My router isn't capable of that so for 2.4ghz it's performance is crap. Someone else with a dual channel router might know more.

LLMMLL · 30-10-2017 2:53pm

sligeach wrote: »

That's your opinion, I see it as the opposite. The Switch is the 3DS's replacement, Nintendo won't admit that, but that's what it is and if they can bring some console gamers along for the journey by adding TV out then why not. The Wii U could run Super Mario Odyssey, obviously at a lower resolution and maybe reduced to 30fps. Is that a great evolution for a console? I've said it before, it's a great handheld but as a console it's barely better than the Wii U and in many instances it's worse.

Super Mario Odyssey was started immediately after SM3DW came out and was developed by the same team. SM3DW came out in November 2013. Do you think they had Switch hardware 4 years ago?

Edit: Also, if the Wii U was stripped of a browser, apps, Miiverse, off-TV gaming on the gamepad, etc, I'm sure it could have performed a little better as well.

So if it's solely a handheld and replacement for 3ds, what's replacing their home console line?

Why are they releasing games on the 3ds that I assumed would have been migrated over to the switch by now?

Is GTA 5 a ps3 game as it's development started before the ps4 was released?

blockfighter · 30-10-2017 2:55pm

Better dashboard would be my change. I have around 9 or 10 games now and I'd prefer if more than 3 were visable at a time.
That and cloud saves.

Banjo · 30-10-2017 2:58pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I really don't like that word being used in a derogatory way.

While I can appreciate where you're coming from now you state it plainly, my use of the word was in the classical chemical sense rather than playground. In many ways, me being educated beyond the ability to empathise in this situation makes me the victim.....?

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 3:15pm

Banjo wrote: »

While I can appreciate where you're coming from now you state it plainly, my use of the word was in the classical chemical sense rather than playground. In many ways, me being educated beyond the ability to empathise in this situation makes me the victim.....?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7-ma9fX0f4

RobbingBandit · 30-10-2017 4:28pm

Banjo wrote: »

While I can appreciate where you're coming from now you state it plainly, my use of the word was in the classical chemical sense rather than playground. In many ways, me being educated beyond the ability to empathise in this situation makes me the victim.....?

I can appreciate where you're going The ICU

Youre not the victim not yet.

Banjo · 30-10-2017 4:44pm

You'll have to catch me first. And how will you do that? How can you tell the difference between me and the visions that haunt you, memories of what those eyes saw before they were plucked from a 9 year old boy working in a blood diamond mine and sewn into your face? (I'm going to have to butch up, carry a machete everywhere and wear full black-face for a while but if you ever do catch up to me, you're going to be crippled by flashbacks to poor little Ngode's horrifying ordeals.)
Also, what did you do with the buttons those eyes replaced? I need to repair a favourite jacket.

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 4:44pm

I think we should take a moment and think of today's real victims....

Disgruntled WiiU Owners.

Pac1Man · 30-10-2017 5:38pm

Justice For The 7

Andrew76 · 30-10-2017 5:42pm

Thanks for the replies folks. Did they ever sort out that issue with the dock marking the screen?

I'm kind of hoping Gamestop do some sort of Switch summer bundle next year like they did for the Wii-U a couple of years back. Or if by that stage there are rumours of an upgrade I'll hold out for that. Truth is a Nintendo machine is always about the exclusives for me so I can hold out until there's a stack of them to choose from.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Disgruntled WiiU Owners.

Sometimes I think I'm in that camp but when I look at the games I got for it, and the brilliant deal Gamestop had when I picked it up - I can't complain too much. Yep, I never liked the gamepad, the console itself was a bit puny and didn't last too long but the exclusives were amazing. Wii backwards compatibility was handy too.

CiDeRmAn · 30-10-2017 5:51pm

Looking at the games on my shelf I can honestly say that it was a stunning machine and it's tragic it didn't make the sales it deserved to.
From Wonderful 101 to Super Mario 3D World, from Yoshi's Woolly World to Mario Maker, it was a great platform for innovation, and a source of sadness when it didn't get the love it should have.
That said, it's five years now since it's release and we would be due a replacement, I like to think we got the Switch a year early, and those WiiU titles aren't going anywhere and remain as good now as when released, and are still worth playing.

Banjo · 30-10-2017 5:57pm

Ahem, quite a lot of those Wii U titles are going somewhere - specifically, to a list marked "Full price ports for Switch". That's where a lot of the disgruntledness comes from. That these games were so good they'll be sold to us twice, but somehow the WiiU wasn't good enough to advertise or support once...

(this is not the truth, this is a subjective impression of the truth. In that respect I'm not sure which is worse - the idea that W101 would get ported to Switch or that it would not get ported and would be denied so many. Which I suppose betrays my inherent bias - that I want it to get ported, but then I want the port for free as an existing owner)

Pac1Man · 30-10-2017 6:09pm

Banjo wrote: »

That's where a lot of the disgruntledness comes from. That these games were so good they'll be sold to us twice, but somehow the WiiU wasn't good enough to advertise or support once...

Who is buying it twice though? I know I wouldn't.

If the portability of these ports is drawing you in, weigh up whether a portable version is worth €60.

Banjo · 30-10-2017 6:18pm

Pac1Man wrote: »

Who is buying it twice though? I know I wouldn't.

If the portability of these ports is drawing you in, weigh up whether a portable version is worth €60.

Man, you just don't get it, do you....

I own the Wii U gamecube adapter and I don't even play Smash. I have a tub full of Amiibo that I don't scan. I have Nintendo coasters on my kitchen table.
"Who is buying it twice..." - stop acting like I have a choice!

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