Ironman 70.3 Dublin

mossym · 25-09-2014 2:17pm

IF it goes ahead it's going to be August though from the looks of it. decision time for a lot between kenmare and this.

griffin100 · 25-09-2014 2:41pm

mossym wrote: »

IF it goes ahead it's going to be August though from the looks of it. decision time for a lot between kenmare and this.

I dunno, price is going to be a big influencer for a lot of people I'd say. Is Dublin likely to be x3 the cost of Kenmare entry?

tunney · 25-09-2014 3:04pm

mossym wrote: »

IF it goes ahead it's going to be August though from the looks of it. decision time for a lot between kenmare and this.

As much as the langers pi$$ me off with registration times, and as expensive as kenmare is for the new dates.

Never get the first version of a device, never marry your first girlfriend, and never ever do the first iteration of a race.

rainbow kirby · 25-09-2014 3:09pm

I'd somehow suspect prices more along the lines of the UK ones, the new Staffordshire race sold out in minutes at £225...

paulie gaultieri · 29-09-2014 11:28am

Lads any chance of registration opening for this within the next two weeks? I'm away on hols and will have very limited access to tinternet......

RacoonQueen · 29-09-2014 11:58am

If Ironman were confident this was going to take place, they would have a date confirmed 100% by now. There are only 4 weekends when this can be on as the city is already closed for the Rock and Roll half on the bank holiday weekend (assume that's set in stone) and if you count DCT that's another weekend gone when there is no chance they'll get DCC road closures...

bryangiggsy · 29-09-2014 12:02pm

tunney wrote: »

As much as the langers pi$$ me off with registration times, and as expensive as kenmare is for the new dates.

Never get the first version of a device, never marry your first girlfriend, and never ever do the first iteration of a race.

Kenmare aint expensive if u shop around. We got a 2 bedroom apt (slept 4) at Kenmare bay hotel for lest than 300 for the 2 nights

EC1000 · 29-09-2014 12:05pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

If Ironman were confident this was going to take place, they would have a data confirmed 100% by now. There are only 4 weekends when this can be on as the city is already closed for the Rock and Roll half on the bank holiday weekend (assume that's set in stone) and if you count DCT that's another weekend gone when there is no chance they'll get DCC road closures...

I don't think IM would care about DCT. There is going to be a NS race on regardless of which weekend they chose and I dont think (IM) they would worry about not getting a crowd.

IIRC, Galway went head to head with another NS race in Connaught the first year? (Could be mistaken.....)

RacoonQueen · 29-09-2014 12:09pm

EC1000 wrote: »

I don't think IM would care about DCT. There is going to be a NS race on regardless of which weekend they chose and I dont think (IM) they would worry about not getting a crowd.

IIRC, Galway went head to head with another NS race in Connaught the first year? (Could be mistaken.....)

DCC would though!

I'm sure DCC would happily screw Piranha for Ironman though.

Podge83 · 29-09-2014 10:14pm

The first thing I'll do when a date is confirmed for this is see what other races are on that weekend and enter one.

Ceepo · 29-09-2014 10:39pm

Podge83 wrote: »

The first thing I'll do when a date is confirmed for this is see what other races are on that weekend and enter one.

It will not clash with DCT anyway as they couldnt have IM 70,3 T2 in the Park on the same day as DCT

RacoonQueen · 29-09-2014 10:51pm

Ceepo wrote: »

It will not clash with DCT anyway as they couldnt have IM 70,3 T2 in the Park on the same day as DCT

OPW and Dublin City Council will not care about DCT if Ironman come knocking. DCT would be expected to change their date. Though TI are not supportive of IM Dublin from what I gathered when it was originally announced. I doubt Piranha have anything to worry about in any case.

sconhome · 30-09-2014 8:54am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

OPW and Dublin City Council will not care about DCT if Ironman come knocking. DCT would be expected to change their date. Though TI are not supportive of IM Dublin from what I gathered when it was originally announced. I doubt Piranha have anything to worry about in any case.

Will DCC stump up the hello money? That's the big question.

Podge83 · 30-09-2014 9:06am

Ceepo wrote: »

It will not clash with DCT anyway as they couldnt have IM 70,3 T2 in the Park on the same day as DCT

Throw in an All-Ireland semi final also.

Anyway, the provisional date touted earlier sounds more like Caroline Kearney weekend rather than DCT?

EC1000 · 30-09-2014 9:09am

Podge83 wrote: »

Throw in an All-Ireland semi final also.

Anyway, the provisional date touted earlier sounds more like Caroline Kearney weekend rather than DCT?

Meh, not even Ironman would be foolish enough to go head to head with CK tri

tunney · 30-09-2014 9:43am

AKW wrote: »

Will DCC stump up the hello money? That's the big question.

"hey people we want 100k to give to some company to close our roads during the summer, they say it will bring tourists"

"no way - sure you can't swing a cat without hitting a tourist"

RacoonQueen wrote: »

OPW and Dublin City Council will not care about DCT if Ironman come knocking. DCT would be expected to change their date. Though TI are not supportive of IM Dublin from what I gathered when it was originally announced. I doubt Piranha have anything to worry about in any case.

The problem for Piaranha if it was on the same day would be volunteers and spectators. "What go and watch a baby triathlon?"

sconhome · 30-09-2014 4:33pm

tunney wrote: »

Never get the first version of a device...

God help any eejit that orders a 920xt for you ....

s_gr · 02-10-2014 12:36pm

Any word if registration will open soon or if it will even go ahead?

bopperr · 02-10-2014 12:57pm

4/7 doesn't happen in 2015
5/4 it does

jungle jim · 06-10-2014 12:27pm

bopperr wrote: »

4/7 doesn't happen in 2015
5/4 it does

ill take a ton at 4/7 bopperr. Longer it goes without an announcement the less likely it looks that this race will go ahead imo, which is a shame. with the rumoured dates going around would only give racers 9/10 months notice and less if its not announced soon.

bopperr · 06-10-2014 1:20pm

jungle jim wrote: »

ill take a ton at 4/7 bopperr. Longer it goes without an announcement the less likely it looks that this race will go ahead imo, which is a shame. with the rumoured dates going around would only give racers 9/10 months notice and less if its not announced soon.

That is an old price! As you say as each day goes by this is becoming more and more less likely!

1/4 no
5/2 yes

trailrunner · 06-10-2014 9:58pm

Latest word is there's a "Glitch" with the bike route..!! Have to agree with Tunney and Co here and say this is going to be a non runner, .

miller82 · 07-10-2014 8:51am

such a shame

tunney · 07-10-2014 9:14am

trailrunner wrote: »

Latest word is there's a "Glitch" with the bike route..!! Have to agree with Tunney and Co here and say this is going to be a non runner, .

Once their first few choices for a swim location got refused it was dead in the water, pardon the pun.

miller82 wrote: »

such a shame

Why?

RacoonQueen · 07-10-2014 9:32am

I really don't get the attraction to doing a HIM or IM in Dublin.

rainbow kirby · 07-10-2014 9:37am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I really don't get the attraction to doing a HIM or IM in Dublin.

Similar reasons as to why people end up travelling for races like the RnR half - novelty, combine a fun weekend away with a race etc. Also there are plenty of people outside of Ireland who would like the idea of combining a race with a weekend back home, also the fact that with the weak euro there is a decent chance it would end up working out cheaper than IM70.3 Exmoor or Staffordshire.

I'm lazy though and really can't be arsed travelling more than 2-3 hours door to door outside of London for a race next year :pac:

miller82 · 07-10-2014 9:57am

tunney wrote: »

Once their first few choices for a swim location got refused it was dead in the water, pardon the pun.

Why?

Why would someone that does triathlon in Ireland think its a shame that this race isnt happening ? really, you cant think why ? obviously becasue i would like to do it :cool:

its not for everyone and some snobs/tri hipsters wouldnt take part fair enough, but there will obviously be a large amount of people involved in tri here that would be interested in doing this race on home soil

sconhome · 07-10-2014 10:13am

miller82 wrote: »

Why would someone that does triathlon in Ireland think its a shame that this race isnt happening ? really, you cant think why ? obviously becasue i would like to do it :cool:

its not for everyone and some snobs/tri hipsters wouldnt take part fair enough, but there will obviously be a large amount of people involved in tri here that would be interested in doing this race on home soil

I disagree.

Look at how numbers of domestic athletes fell in the second year of Galway 70.3. If there was demand for such an event it would still be going.

Sure, Dublin has a higher population and bigger market but there is not likely to be enough demand or growth in triathlon to sustain domestic numbers for future events.

I'd love some stats to back me up but year 1 will always be big numbers, followed by a swift fall off.

tunney · 07-10-2014 10:15am

miller82 wrote: »

Why would someone that does triathlon in Ireland think its a shame that this race isnt happening ? really, you cant think why ? obviously becasue i would like to do it :cool:

Have you considered where the swim will be? The bike? The run?
Go out on the 27th of this month and get an idea of "local support".
The road closures were never going to happen.

I'm a Dub. I like Dublin. I even like Wicklow. But I can think of many better places to run a half.

miller82 wrote: »

its not for everyone and some snobs/tri hipsters wouldnt take part fair enough, but there will obviously be a large amount of people involved in tri here that would be interested in doing this race on home soil

Really? Why obviously? I've not heard anyone say "I'd do it".

This isn't snobbery. I'd happily do halfs all over ireland, I just don't see the attaction of the venue, perhaps to non locals its attractive and I can see the draw to foreigners, at least the first time. But this are peoples regular stomping grounds. Who hasn't knocked their nuts out up Sally Gap in the snow and rain dreaming of races in different venues, in the heat. Not the same place in possibly slightly warmer conditions. People also want a race thats guaranteed to happen, with a guaranteed level of quality. This doesn't come from the brand name but from the organisers and local support.

rodneyr1981 · 07-10-2014 10:16am

AKW wrote: »

I disagree.

Look at how numbers of domestic athletes fell in the second year of Galway 70.3. If there was demand for such an event it would still be going.

Sure, Dublin has a higher population and bigger market but there is not likely to be enough demand or growth in triathlon to sustain domestic numbers for future events.

I'd love some stats to back me up but year 1 will always be big numbers, followed by a swift fall off.

I assume challenge Galway is a complete non-runner? Have heard zero on it

sconhome · 07-10-2014 10:17am

rodneyr1981 wrote: »

I assume challenge Galway is a complete non-runner? Have heard zero on it

Only thing that happened there was a facebook page, other than that nothing.

Whole lot of political meandering both Galway and Dublin around the time of local elections.

RacoonQueen · 07-10-2014 10:20am

rodneyr1981 wrote: »

I assume challenge Galway is a complete non-runner? Have heard zero on it

Challenge Galway isn't happening. The tickle of an idea was pulled when IM announced their Dublin race.

miller82 · 07-10-2014 10:28am

tunney wrote: »

Have you considered where the swim will be? The bike? The run?
Go out on the 27th of this month and get an idea of "local support".
The road closures were never going to happen.

I'm a Dub. I like Dublin. I even like Wicklow. But I can think of many better places to run a half.

Really? Why obviously? I've not heard anyone say "I'd do it".

This isn't snobbery. I'd happily do halfs all over ireland, I just don't see the attaction of the venue, perhaps to non locals its attractive and I can see the draw to foreigners, at least the first time. But this are peoples regular stomping grounds. Who hasn't knocked their nuts out up Sally Gap in the snow and rain dreaming of races in different venues, in the heat. Not the same place in possibly slightly warmer conditions. People also want a race thats guaranteed to happen, with a guaranteed level of quality. This doesn't come from the brand name but from the organisers and local support.

I just think its odd that you can't fathom why someone ( yes based in Dublin) would be disappointed this isnt going ahead. Fair enough its not for you, but just strange you think everyone would be of the same thinking.

I would 100% do it. I also train in Dublin and the gap, but doing a Half IM at home would be very different IMO and a great buzz IMO. Yes the hype has a lot to do with that but so what. We all get sucked in to that.
Also a lot easier on the wallet.

Izoard · 07-10-2014 10:32am

miller82 wrote: »

I just think its odd that you can't fathom why someone ( yes based in Dublin) would be disappointed this isnt going ahead. Fair enough its not for you, but just strange you think everyone would be of the same thinking.

I would 100% do it. I also train in Dublin and the gap, but doing a Half IM at home would be very different IMO and a great buzz IMO. Yes the hype has a lot to do with that but so what. We all get sucked in to that.
Also a lot easier on the wallet.

+1
Having ticked the "away" box multiple times - I'm looking forward to a few home events next year.
I think it would be great to have a high visibility race in the greater Dublin area - If it is not your thing, there are plenty of local races to keep you busy.

Either way, I think we are not open to this type of complex event handling. You look at how an entire region gets behind Challenge Roth, for example, versus the political gymnastics involved in liaising with multiple County Councils, across a relatively small geographic area.

Pity.

sconhome · 07-10-2014 10:42am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Challenge Galway isn't happening. The tickle of an idea was pulled when IM announced their Dublin race.

There was more hope of CG going ahead than Dublin 70.3 IMO.

The route and logistics was already established, the same organisers were on board with the same knowledge of local 'handshakers' and problem issues.

Far easier to get it up and running in a tighter timeline that as pointed out managing Dublin CC's. Sure look how long it has taken to get the Luas joined up!!

Steroo · 07-10-2014 11:03am

I was hoping to do this. Never done a Tri before. So if it's not on I need something else to aim for... working on the swimming the past few months.

Can anyone recommend a well organised alternative next summer?

Or are the UK 70.3 Races hard to get to Logistically?

Thanks

Oryx · 07-10-2014 11:12am

Steroo wrote: »

I was hoping to do this. Never done a Tri before. So if it's not on I need something else to aim for... working on the swimming the past few months.

Can anyone recommend a well organised alternative next summer?

Or are the UK 70.3 Races hard to get to Logistically?

Thanks

Tri an Mhí
Athy Double
Lost Sheep

For branded events Wimbleball is a tricky area to get around, and a very hard course, but sail to fishguard/pembroke and its straight down the motorway. Staffs is sold out already. Loads of unbranded stuff over there too, but you might as well stay home and do one here.

KillianByrne · 07-10-2014 11:15am

Whatver your opinions on IM, the opportunity to have a race in Dublin with the razzmatazz that goes alongside it would only be good for the sport.

I don't understand the objections to them coming to Ireland but as an occasional triathlete and with many friends in the same position the bandwagon that runs alongside these events is a chance to introduce new entrants to triathlon and grow it from there. Those that see objections instead of opportunities are just holding the sort back.

I would love to do this, just because it is IM. R&R brought many people to running a half that would never have considered it in the past, my wife included. I have no doubt IM would do the same.

The purists can do the regional events alongside IM, you don't like it, then don't enter it. But don't knock it because it's a popular commercial event.

As I cross the finish line and smeone shouts 'Congraulations, You're a Challenge Athlete!' doesn't have the same ring to it....

RacoonQueen · 07-10-2014 11:16am

Oryx wrote: »

Tri an Mhí
Athy Double
Lost Sheep

Shadowman
Hardman
Lough Cutra
Groomsport?
Is Humbert back next year?
Sounded like TI were trying to organise a long distance race?

Edit: Do they say ''You. Are. An. Ironman.'' at the end of a 70.3???

griffin100 · 07-10-2014 11:30am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Edit: Do they say ''You. Are. An. Ironman.'' at the end of a 70.3???

Only if you're Keith Duffy

sconhome · 07-10-2014 11:31am

KillianByrne wrote: »

Whatver your opinions on IM, the opportunity to have a race in Dublin with the razzmatazz that goes alongside it would only be good for the sport.

I don't understand the objections to them coming to Ireland but as an occasional triathlete and with many friends in the same position the bandwagon that runs alongside these events is a chance to introduce new entrants to triathlon and grow it from there. Those that see objections instead of opportunities are just holding the sort back.

To be honest there's nobody objecting to the event. It's simply being realistic. Ireland will not support another Ironman event.

The logistics of organising one of these in any location within the Dublin district will be prohibitive. Both in trying to get the multipe councils on board and expensive dealing with different district councils, Garda etc. never mind road closures.

With a high population locality comes a high % of support AND a high % of objections. This IMO is one of the reasons for the relative success of the 'smaller' events in Kenmare, Swinford, Athlone, Groomsport etc.

bryangiggsy · 07-10-2014 11:39am

Oryx wrote: »

Tri an Mhí
Athy Double
Lost Sheep

For branded events Wimbleball is a tricky area to get around, and a very hard course, but sail to fishguard/pembroke and its straight down the motorway. Staffs is sold out already. Loads of unbranded stuff over there too, but you might as well stay home and do one here.

Please do not speak Athy double in the same breath as Lost Sheep

Oryx · 07-10-2014 11:40am

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Please do not speak Athy double in the same breath as Lost Sheep

Apologies. I wasnt thinking.

tunney · 07-10-2014 11:45am

KillianByrne wrote: »

Whatver your opinions on IM, the opportunity to have a race in Dublin with the razzmatazz that goes alongside it would only be good for the sport.

Why would it be good for the sport?

KillianByrne wrote: »

I don't understand the objections to them coming to Ireland but as an occasional triathlete and with many friends in the same position the bandwagon that runs alongside these events is a chance to introduce new entrants to triathlon and grow it from there. Those that see objections instead of opportunities are just holding the sort back.

There is no objections to Challenge/WTC in Ireland. They were welcomed to Galway, fell flat on their faces through fault of their own. Dublin, those a little more experienced reckoned it would never happen due to the logistical nightmare of three county councils having to sign off on it.

"Introduce new entrants to triathlon and grow it from there".
The bandwagon types and the "bucket list" types are not ones that grow the sport. Oh they make money for race organisers but don't grow the sport.

KillianByrne wrote: »

I would love to do this, just because it is IM. R&R brought many people to running a half that would never have considered it in the past, my wife included. I have no doubt IM would do the same.

There is completing an event and adopting a lifestyle.

KillianByrne wrote: »

The purists can do the regional events alongside IM, you don't like it, then don't enter it. But don't knock it because it's a popular commercial event.

I have no problem with WTC and Challege. Lord knows I have done enough of their events - halfs and fulls. I like challenege and WTC.

KillianByrne wrote: »

As I cross the finish line and smeone shouts 'Congraulations, You're a Challenge Athlete!' doesn't have the same ring to it....

MOD SNIP

KillianByrne · 07-10-2014 11:47am

AKW wrote: »

To be honest there's nobody objecting to the event. It's simply being realistic. Ireland will not support another Ironman event.

The logistics of organising one of these in any location within the Dublin district will be prohibitive. Both in trying to get the multipe councils on board and expensive dealing with different district councils, Garda etc. never mind road closures.

With a high population locality comes a high % of support AND a high % of objections. This IMO is one of the reasons for the relative success of the 'smaller' events in Kenmare, Swinford, Athlone, Groomsport etc.

The logistics are the responsibility of IM and if that pushes up the entry fee then that's the opportunity for the other locations to shout about their events. I just think it's a chance to grow rather than IM cannibalising other races.

If the other events are concerned about IM then they need to look at what concerned them and either replicate it or use the difference as a selling point.

Has R&R taken entrants from other halfs?

miller82 · 07-10-2014 11:48am

MOD SNIP

bang out of order

KillianByrne · 07-10-2014 11:52am

MOD SNIP

A bandwagon is an ideal way to grow a sport, but resorting to belittling other posters in a debate brings nothing to the table. Thanks for your observations though.

Kurt Godel · 07-10-2014 12:00pm

KillianByrne wrote: »

A bandwagon is an ideal way to grow a sport

You willingly want to jump on a bandwagon, would discount Challenge as you won't be called an IM at the end, and reckon existing club races should now use IM as their reference point...

The tattoo shops of Dublin will be cursing their luck if this doesn't go ahead.

RayCun · 07-10-2014 12:05pm

KillianByrne wrote: »

Has R&R taken entrants from other halfs?

Numbers in the Dublin race series half dropped by about 900 between 2012 and 2013

sconhome · 07-10-2014 12:09pm

KillianByrne wrote: »

The logistics are the responsibility of IM

No they are the reponsibility of the local event organiser. (or at least were for Galway 70.3)

Ironman 70.3 Dublin

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