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Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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  • #502
    wellwhynot
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    kingofclay wrote: »
    I can't for the life of me fathom what had him around Cherrywood. Why stay in the vicinity of South Dublin and in an area that isn't exactly hidden. Cars would have been going there since it's the last stop on the LUAS.
    Is there a possibility he was waiting for a potential vulnerable victim?

    Maybe he was working up there. There is construction going on at the moment there. Perpetrators tend to stay around areas they are familiar with.


  • #503
    JimPa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭JimPa


    It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

    The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

    I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

    First time and a personal reason for it.

    He knew her and her him.

    Motive love or pride.


  • #504
    kingofclay
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭kingofclay


    Conservatory wrote: »
    Maybe he had keys to a space in the industrial estate

    Who knows but it's really bizarre. Abduction happens maybe 15 minutes drive from his home in his wife's car in broad daylight effectively late afternoon this time of year. Saturday was a decent day, Enniskerry tends to be busy whenever there's any sort of decent weather. It's so strange.


  • #505
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Conservatory wrote: »
    Maybe he had keys to a space in the industrial estate

    I don't think it's that sort of industrial estate. The tennants there are super high tech like Dell, Genomics Medicine Ireland, Evros.


  • #506
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    JimPa wrote: »
    It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

    The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

    I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

    First time and a personal reason for it.

    He knew her and her him.

    Motive love or pride.

    100%


  • #507
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    JimPa wrote: »
    It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

    The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

    I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

    First time and a personal reason for it.

    He knew her and her him.

    Motive love or pride.

    I don't want to speculate but it certainly doesn't look like a planned attack or a serial abducter I totally agree but who knows people do snap aswell


  • #508
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    oneilla wrote: »
    I think it's kinda implied. Guards said they were looking for a particular vehicle in relation to the woman's disappearance and then that vehicle with the reg plate is found and this man is shot. If he was unrelated then you'd imagine that info would have been released

    I dunno, they usually say, maybe its just a matter of waiting for the official statement from them, but they don't tend to imply things by omission.

    They tend to be a little more direct. They say things like "known to the Gardaí" or "the man was being sought in connection with their inquiries" or some such.

    Never nothing like.


  • #509
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    JimPa wrote: »
    Motive love or pride.

    Morbid, unwanted, infatuation.

    Using the word 'love' is just..


  • #510
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    JimPa wrote: »
    It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

    The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

    I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

    First time and a personal reason for it.

    He knew her and her him.

    Motive love or pride.


    If they knew each other , she was hardly bundled into his car ?


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  • #511
    kingofclay
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭kingofclay


    allthedoyles wrote: »
    If they knew each other , she was hardly bundled into his car ?

    I can see that. Pulls up alongside her and demands she gets in. She refuses and because she sort of knows him is reluctant to scream, he gets out and forces her in the car.


  • #512
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    kingofclay wrote: »
    I can't for the life of me fathom what had him around Cherrywood. Why stay in the vicinity of South Dublin and in an area that isn't exactly hidden. Cars would have been going there since it's the last stop on the LUAS.
    Is there a possibility he was waiting for a potential vulnerable victim?

    It's very quiet around there at the weekends.
    Kind of in the middle of nowhere.
    People don't really park in there too much for the LUAS, They tend to go to the park and rides.


  • #513
    Redo91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭Redo91


    JimPa wrote: »
    It wasn't clinical. Poorly planned or unplanned. In broad daylight in the family car. An eyewitness to the abduction and a possible witness to a distressed woman in a moving vehicle.

    The abduction was 9 minutes from his home. He was found and shot 12 minutes from his home. In an open car park. Armed with just a knife.

    I'd be very surprised if he was a serial abductor.

    First time and a personal reason for it.

    He knew her and her him.

    Motive love or pride.

    So much for no speculation...


  • #514
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    allthedoyles wrote: »
    If they knew each other , she was hardly bundled into his car ?

    But they could have had history and were not on good terms, its all speculation but JimPas post sounds to me like it could be close to the truth.


  • #515
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    I’d say it’s likely he went out the night before like the wife said and went on a bender and sobered up getting shot by a Garda.
    None of us have any idea but suggesting the girl was having an affair with a married man is a bit distasteful I think.


  • #516
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,600 ✭✭✭Damien360


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Conservatory wrote: »
    Maybe he had keys to a space in the industrial estate

    I don't think it's that sort of industrial estate. The tennants there are super high tech like Dell, Genomics Medicine Ireland, Evros.

    There is an underground car park under the building pictured by RTE. I use it to visit customers. Construction on going in same area.


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  • #517
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,656 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    The mirror have named him.

    Just had an oh fuc.k moment.

    Friends husband is the same age , 2 kids, same name and lives in the same area.

    Had to call her to see if it was him. It wasn't , but his phone is working overtime as a result of the the name being released


  • #518
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Conservatory wrote: »
    I’d say it’s likely he went out the night before like the wife said and went on a bender and sobered up getting shot by a Garda.
    None of us have any idea but suggesting the girl was having an affair with a married man is a bit distasteful I think.

    Eh?


  • #519
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    is that the one that the gardai eventually killed a mentally unstable man who harbored a long term grudge against the gardai for trying to take his gun away from him armed with a shot gun after he fired a large number of shots at them, having wounded him in the legs and arms before resorting to a fatal shot.

    the one where they were criticized international for not shooting to kill much earlier

    you haven't a clue mate and you shouldn't bother expressing an opinion about something you know nothing about

    As this thread shows, everyone can have an opinion:)


  • #520
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Has there been a time and location given for when the 'woman in a distressed state' was seen in the car?


  • #521
    kingofclay
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭kingofclay


    ted1 wrote: »
    Just had an oh fuc.k moment.

    Friends husband is the same age , 2 kids, same name and lives in the same area.

    Had to call her to see if it was him. It wasn't , but his phone is working overtime as a result of the the name being released

    That's so messed up. Imagine having to take them calls or put up a Facebook or Instagram status saying you're alive.

    By sounds of it, lingering around Cherrywood indicates that he might have been having an 'Oh fuuuck, what have I done' crisis. We need to get a time and location on where there was sightings of Jastine in distress. I fear the worst but pray she is alive. Being abducted is one of my great fears, in fact I only dreamed I was abducted cycling en route to Enniskerry last week.


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  • #522
    CZ 453
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭CZ 453


    ted1 wrote: »
    Just had an oh fuc.k moment.

    Friends husband is the same age , 2 kids, same name and lives in the same area.

    Had to call her to see if it was him. It wasn't , but his phone is working overtime as a result of the the name being released

    That's not an easy call to make. I can imagine the relief.


  • #523
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I'm not on twitter but often use it to follow stories up to date etc.
    But there are some nuts accounts to put it politely.

    "Irelands Underworld" @Dublingangland... wtf?

    They name him after the Mirror printed his name, and they tweet it followed by R.I.P.

    Naturally someone calls them out on that and says "R.I.P? He kidnapped a woman!"

    To which they reply "He’s was still a human being.If you have any information on him kidnapping someone can let us know.Thanks"

    Ehmm... yes. If anyone has any information on him kidnapping, @Dublingangland will be the first point of contact.. :(


  • #524
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    ted1 wrote: »
    Just had an oh fuc.k moment.

    Friends husband is the same age , 2 kids, same name and lives in the same area.

    Had to call her to see if it was him. It wasn't , but his phone is working overtime as a result of the the name being released

    What if she was lying !


  • #525
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Conservatory wrote: »
    I’d say it’s likely he went out the night before like the wife said and went on a bender and sobered up getting shot by a Garda.
    None of us have any idea but suggesting the girl was having an affair with a married man is a bit distasteful I think.

    I have not seen any other post other than this suggesting what you have posted.


  • #526
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    Suckit wrote: »
    I'm not on twitter but often use it to follow stories up to date etc.
    But there are some nuts accounts to put it politely.

    "Irelands Underworld" @Dublingangland... wtf?

    They name him after the Mirror pronted his name, and they tweet it followed by R.I.P.

    Naturally someone calls them out on that and says "R.I.P? He kidnapped a woman!"

    To which they reply "He’s was still a human being.If you have any information on him kidnapping someone can let us know.Thanks"

    Ehmm... yes. If anyone has any information on him kidnapping, @Dublingangland will be the first point of contact.. :(


    I think most of those accounts are run by the one fruitcake, she was named on here before.
    She was writing letters to Graham Dwyer in prison.


  • #527
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    spurious wrote: »
    Has there been a time and location given for when the 'woman in a distressed state' was seen in the car?
    Not that I have seen, here is the "timeline" of events. It is pretty poor, i am guessing that somebody will clean it up

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/timeline-events-man-shot-dead-12569468


  • #528
    kingofclay
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭kingofclay


    Is a search ongoing? I'm surprised I haven't heard a helicopter since 9pm. Where do you even begin to look? Realistically, how was she not in the car? :(


  • #529
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    Tippex wrote: »
    I have not seen any other post other than this suggesting what you have posted.

    Probably removed


  • #530
    JimPa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭JimPa


    kingofclay wrote: »
    Is a search ongoing? I'm surprised I haven't heard a helicopter since 9pm. Where do you even begin to look?

    I think the only looking tonight will be through his personal belongings, phone/computer history and interviewing friends and family. Unless something fairly concrete comes up.


  • #531
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    A Mark Hennessy has been named as the man who was shot dead by Gardai today. It appears he was the suspect in the disappearance of this woman, given the way the news stories have been drafted, linking the two events. No sign of the girl though yet unfortunately

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/timeline-events-man-shot-dead-12569468


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  • #532
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,656 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    CZ 453 wrote: »
    ted1 wrote: »
    Just had an oh fuc.k moment.

    Friends husband is the same age , 2 kids, same name and lives in the same area.

    Had to call her to see if it was him. It wasn't , but his phone is working overtime as a result of the the name being released

    That's not an easy call to make. I can imagine the relief.
    Absolutely, heart was pounding. Really was one of the hardest calls I’ve ever made.


  • #533
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭Tippex


    ted1 wrote: »
    Absolutely, heart was pounding. Really was one of the hardest calls I’ve ever made.

    I cannot imagine making that call.


  • #534
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    ted1 wrote: »
    Absolutely, heart was pounding. Really was one of the hardest calls I’ve ever made.

    Oh wow, can’t even imagine how terrifying it would be to be him. The fear of being targeted by vigilantes would be so tough and to make it worse, his poor family!


  • #535
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    kingofclay wrote: »
    Is a search ongoing? I'm surprised I haven't heard a helicopter since 9pm. Where do you even begin to look? Realistically, how was she not in the car? :(

    There is no point is using a helicopter after dark unless they think she is still alive.


  • #536
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    At a guess, they are probably downloading (Probably already downloaded) the information from the sat nav system in the car, and tracking it back if possible. No need for a helicopter now. I think that was only when they were looking for the car.


  • #537
    Yillan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Yillan


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    There is no point is using a helicopter after dark unless they think she is still alive.

    I don't follow


  • #538
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Yillan wrote: »
    I don't follow

    It can only pick up body heat with thermal imaging. Dead = no body heat.


  • #539
    Mzo1978
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Mzo1978


    It's just so horrific the poor girl could be anywhere


  • #540
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Conservatory wrote:
    Also if a bullet hits an arm it’s not likely to stop and could go anywhere really.


    Yes, this is exactly why they don't go for their fingers; like torturers do with pliers....

    Sigh.


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  • #541
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Redo91 wrote: »
    So much for no speculation...

    well, i would call it a very realistic possibility as opposed to speculation.


  • #542
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Yillan wrote: »
    I don't follow

    The thermal imaging cameras they would use at night can only pick up a heat source if the person is alive.

    Using spotlights is time consuming and pointless unless you know where to start looking.


  • #543
    jk23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 877 ✭✭✭jk23


    What the hell is going on this week? Are these sort of things happening every week or are we just not being told about them? 😮


  • #544
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    The AGS might 'know' already, if his phone has photos/video..


  • #545
    kingofclay
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭kingofclay


    jk23 wrote: »
    What the hell is going on this week? Are these sort of things happening every week or are we just not being told about them? ��

    Violence is actually going down, but our fear of it is going up :rolleyes:

    This absolute bolloxology is always thrown out just because we don't have world wars anymore.

    These two incidents are so unusual for Ireland but I can't help but think this might be a trend we see more of. Still though, the chances of you or someone you know being caught up in such an event is very very very low.


  • #546
    BENDYBINN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    The poor girl could be tied up somewhere......The army should be called in to help with the search at first light. Time is of the essence here.


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  • #547
    Conservatory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Conservatory


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    The poor girl could be tied up somewhere......The army should be called in to help with the search at first light. Time is of the essence here.

    I’m sure there is a fella who actually knows the facts of the situation deciding whether the army will be called in or not. We haven’t been given them yet which could be for a number of reasons.


  • #548
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,165 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    The poor girl could be tied up somewhere......The army should be called in to help with the search at first light. Time is of the essence here.

    I'm sure they are doing everything they can right now. It will be bright by 5.15am.....there's no suggestion the authorities are not making desperate efforts to locate her.


  • #549
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I'm sure they are doing everything they can right now. It will be bright by 5.15am.....there's no suggestion the authorities are not making desperate efforts to locate her.

    Indeed. Having hundreds of people scrambling over the local area in the dark is not a good idea.


  • #550
    Gazzmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Gazzmonkey


    Oh dear.. hope they find her unharmed.

    That carpark won't be in use tomorrow I'd say.


  • #551
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,031 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    The car he was driving was a 171 model might have had satnav built in they might be able to trace its journeys over the last 72 hours if it had one.


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