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3,140 rooms to rent & 8,500 houses to rent -what 'homeless' crisis

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  • #152
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    You totally missed my point. I don't have a problem with landlords making a profit. I'm not having a pop at landlords. I'm a landlord myself. I'd rather not have rent pressure zones.

    My point is that the reason we have 100s applying for the same property at high rent is purely because we have a housing crisis. In other words this is proof that there is a housing crisis /shortage. If there was no shortage of housing rents would be lower & tenants wouldn't have to to handstands in an attempt to be able to find somewhere to rent.

    and you missed my point kind of too.
    If there was more money in it, there would be more houses built to rent. Its just not a worthwhile investment for the small players now.


  • #153
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Suggesting that people should live where they can afford is hardly fascism! That is what most people do surely? I know when I was buying a house I looked for the nicest area within my price range. Do most people not do that when buying?

    For my starter home I lived in a God awful Midlands town for a few years as that is what I could afford at the time.

    There is a marked difference between this 'crisis' and the previous boom in that people are no longer willing to travel long distances in order to own a home.

    well whats long distance has changed, commuting from portlaoise or even newbridge to the city centre every single day would have been considered mad in 2006 , now newbridge has better transport to the city because many can just about barely afford to live that close and have to commute from there.

    I also think the tide is turning for many irish people, many younger people cannot drive, have no interest in it and just see car ownership as another way for the government to shaft you.


  • #154
    Greyfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »
    But of course rabid right wingers like you don't believe that anyone who is unfortunate enough to have a disability or find themselves locked out of the job market for whatever reason deserve any support and should be ferried off at the next opportunity to ghettos out of your site.

    And here's the rabid left wingers ;)

    Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.


  • #155
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Greyfox wrote: »
    And here's the rabid left wingers ;)

    Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.

    its the lefts favourite tool 'lets take this less than 1% edge case, make sure theres a buzz word in there, and the person has to be black, or disabled or in some other way worthy of massive amounts of pity and use that as a justification for a policy that lets people who chose to live on welfare life long get a free x or get access to y because not doing it would hurt that edge case.

    Social housing
    immigration
    increasing welfare
    ending direct provision and letting them all stay
    etc....


  • #156
    Cyclical Apocalypse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 58 ✭✭Cyclical Apocalypse


    Greyfox wrote: »
    And here's the rabid left wingers ;)

    Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.

    I don't suppose you have any source to back up that claim?

    Oh and by the way, I don't class myself as left-wing. In fact, some issues I lean to the right.


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  • #157
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Greyfox wrote: »
    And here's the rabid left wingers ;)

    Let's shout about the person with a disability so that everyone overlooks the fact that most non workers are in good health and don't need to live in Dublin.

    Should the unemployed move away from family and friends to remain unemployed in some rural backwater because they currently have no job? Should we do the same for the sick and elderly?
    As is happening right now, you might be a hard working tax payer but are you earning enough to justify or afford taking up space in the city?
    We lose community so those wealthier can have apartments in the city.


  • #158
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Should they move away from family and friends to remain unemployed in some rural backwater because they currently have no job? Should we do the same for the sick and elderly?

    working people have to move away from friends and family all the time, like can you just answer me why in this instance where space and housing in the city is limited that any unemployed person deserves what employed people currently cannot afford to have.


  • #159
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Eric Cartman wrote:
    and you missed my point kind of too. If there was more money in it, there would be more houses built to rent. Its just not a worthwhile investment for the small players now.


    It's nothing to do with landlords. You seem a bit hung up on this. There aren't enough homes for sale either. I only used rentals as an example. There is a housing crisis. This covers renters and buyers. Not enough houses. If we had more homes, rent would come down and there would be fewer on the housing list. Plenty of homeless people are working. They just don't have somewhere they can afford to live in. Many have been put on the street by landlords selling up.


  • #160
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Should the unemployed move away from family and friends to remain unemployed in some rural backwater because they currently have no job?

    The employed have to do it. Do we value unemployed people more than employed?


  • #161
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    working people have to move away from friends and family all the time, like can you just answer me why in this instance where space and housing in the city is limited that any unemployed person deserves what employed people currently cannot afford to have.

    If someone loses their job they should leave their family, friends, neighbourhood and live on the dole in the sticks?
    To answer you, people with more money will always have more options than those who have less. Nicer house, nicer area etc. Taking away or refusing the chance of same to people because they are unemployed or poorer is not a society I want any part of paying towards. That's why we need social and affordable housing, coupled with a free market for those capable of paying more for something better.


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  • #162
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    The employed have to do it. Do we value unemployed people more than employed?

    Equally in a decent society.


  • #163
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    If someone loses their job they should leave their family, friends, neighbourhood and live on the dole in the sticks?
    To answer you, people with more money will always have more options than those who have less. Nicer house, nicer area etc. Taking away or refusing the chance of same to people because they are unemployed or poorer is not a society I want any part of paying towards. That's why we need social and affordable housing, coupled with a free market for those capable of paying more for something better.

    as you can see my suggestion was somebody who had never worked or was long term unemployed, its not a case of your p45 and bus eireann ticket to easkey showing up at the same time.

    until affordable rents for everyone who needs to be in the city and a demand is met, theres no room in my head to offer housing to anyone unemployed long term.


  • #164
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Pawwed Rig wrote:
    Suggesting that people should live where they can afford is hardly fascism! That is what most people do surely? I know when I was buying a house I looked for the nicest area within my price range. Do most people not do that when buying?


    So someone who has their work hours cut should pack in the job and move down the sticks? I think that is very short sighted. Keeping them close to work gives them a realistic chance of going back to full employment.


  • #165
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Suggesting that people should live where they can afford is hardly fascism! That is what most people do surely? I know when I was buying a house I looked for the nicest area within my price range. Do most people not do that when buying?

    For my starter home I lived in a God awful Midlands town for a few years as that is what I could afford at the time.

    There is a marked difference between this 'crisis' and the previous boom in that people are no longer willing to travel long distances in order to own a home.

    You are spot on but we also have a class of people who will never contribute to the state and have never contributed to the state with their hands out looking for taxpayer funded houses. The rest of us work out arses off week in week out just to pay rent and keep the lights on and these parasites feel they are entitled to things we have to work years for. This country is going to turn ugly before much longer because that situation is not acceptable to the majority or sustainable in the long run.


  • #166
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Equally in a decent society.

    So why do those on the housing lists get to demand a house in a certain area when the working person has to move away from family and friends to where they can afford?
    I am from the north side of Dublin and my immediate group of friends are scattered to Navan, Clane, Sallins x 2 and Portlaoise. All due to being unable to afford within their local area. Their neighbour's who have never done a tap of work have houses in their old estates.


  • #167
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    as you can see my suggestion was somebody who had never worked or was long term unemployed, its not a case of your p45 and bus eireann ticket to easkey showing up at the same time.

    until affordable rents for everyone who needs to be in the city and a demand is met, theres no room in my head to offer housing to anyone unemployed long term.

    As with many other things we need fix what we already have rather than throw our hands up. We can find any fraudsters out and that should be a priority as with those behind on rent. Welfare and social housing are two great ideas.

    If we don't provide social housing we are simply going to be paying for more hotels.


  • #168
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    As with many other things we need fix what we already have rather than throw our hands up. We can find any fraudsters out and that should be a priority as with those behind on rent. Welfare and social housing are two great ideas.

    If we don't provide social housing we are simply going to be paying for more hotels.

    Maybe we just need to stop the hotels completely? Name your closest family and friends and get them to provide an explanation why they can’t offer you a room for a few weeks until you get back on your feet. Reasonable excuses get temporary housing, the nonsensical bull****ters get told to **** off and stop and pulling a fast one. We are too soft.


  • #169
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The Specialist wrote: »
    Maybe we just need to stop the hotels completely? Name your closest family and friends and get them to provide an explanation why they can’t offer you a room for a few weeks until you get back on your feet. Reasonable excuses get temporary housing, the nonsensical bull****ters get told to **** off and stop and pulling a fast one. We are too soft.
    we aren't too soft at all.
    your idea is unworkable for the simple reason a private individual does not have to explain to anyone else as to why they can't provide accommodation to someone and nor should they have that obligation.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #170
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    end of the road wrote: »
    we aren't too soft at all.
    suggesting we are is hyperbolic guff.
    your idea is unworkable for the simple reason a private individual does not have to explain to anyone else as to why they can't provide accommodation to someone and nor should they have that obligation.

    But the rest of us should be obligated to put these people in hotels at 100s a night on their word alone? Sorry but we are too soft - we need a much tougher system that isn’t afraid to ask hard questions of people claiming to be in these circumstances.


  • #171
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    The Specialist wrote: »
    But the rest of us should be obligated to put these people in hotels at 100s a night on their word alone? Sorry but we are too soft - we need a much tougher system that isn’t afraid to ask hard questions of people claiming to be in these circumstances.

    We pay a ****ton of tax to pay for these hotels??


    Why would we have to put people up aswell??


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  • #172
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The Specialist wrote: »
    But the rest of us should be obligated to put these people in hotels at 100s a night on their word alone?

    i do not believe we put people in hotels on their word alone. i have no doubt that things are checked out as much as is possible to do so.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    Sorry but we are too soft - we need a much tougher system that isn’t afraid to ask hard questions of people claiming to be in these circumstances.

    we are not to soft, and i do believe we have a tough system that asks questions, but which is also realistic and understands that people will slip through however tough the system is

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #173
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    end of the road wrote: »
    i do not believe we put people in hotels on their word alone. i have no doubt that things are checked out as much as is possible to do so.
    I’m highly skeptical of that
    we are not to soft, and i do believe we have a tough system that asks questions, but which is also realistic and understands that people will slip through however tough the system is

    The problem is the media - a bunch of cowards afraid to dig in to the real reasons for 10k homeless but who perpetually bleat the figures proudly in that familiar mantra “it’s the gubbermints fault and the bankers”. **** personal responsibility in 2019 Ireland - the ones who practice it get screwed left right and centre and the ones who don’t get cooed in to nice free houses.

    We are too soft on wasters and parasites in this country and reward them too well for doing **** all to better themselves.


  • #174
    flas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭flas


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So everyone should move to Longford , rents in Longford and house prices are on the rise due to Center Parcs. I also notice you say you pay a 400 month mortgage, easy suggestions from you to be honest.

    There are currently 6 houses for rent in Longford Town, and from being from down here, not much more than that ever come up, it's really hard to try and find a place to live here, we got lucky, we knew the landlord of where we live now, place before that we were searching for weeks and weeks to find somewhere that wasn't surrounded by drugs fued participants... Me and my wife both still work in Dublin, train up and down every day, its not doable long term, we are lucky as in low on a transfer list in work closer to home, if we weren't we would not be working in Dublin anymore, it's not worth it


  • #175
    Nermal
    Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Nermal


    It was a mistake in the first place to legislate that people have a 'right' to accommodation. If your 'right' to something can only be fulfilled by taking from others, it shouldn't be fulfilled at all. The empty houses in the country would fill up rather quickly if urban councils were not legally obliged to provide accommodation for everyone who turns up at their doors.


  • #176
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The Specialist wrote: »
    The problem is the media - a bunch of cowards afraid to dig in to the real reasons for 10k homeless but who perpetually bleat the figures proudly in that familiar mantra “it’s the gubbermints fault and the bankers”.

    they do report the reasons where and when they can. at least tv and radio do.
    now i can understand that the reasons may not fit in with your viewpoint, but that isn't the problem of the media to be fair.
    the media can only report the facts, sometimes they may not be what we want to hear but that is fine and how it should be IMO.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    **** personal responsibility in 2019 Ireland

    personal responsibility is alive in the vast vast majority of the population however it is only going to carry any of us so far before it is unable to do any more.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    the ones who practice it get screwed left right and centre

    some do and some don't.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    and the ones who don’t get cooed in to nice free houses.

    they generally don't.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    We are too soft on wasters and parasites in this country and reward them too well for doing **** all to better themselves.

    we don't reward anybody as it should be. we help those in need as is right. if someone is not bettering themselves it is because it is not possible for them to do so.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #177
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Nermal wrote: »
    It was a mistake in the first place to legislate that people have a 'right' to accommodation.

    it wasn't. it was absolutely necessary to insure lower costs for us all in the long term. people running riot on the streets with no where to go is not something i want to have to pay to clean up if it can be avoided.
    Nermal wrote: »
    If your 'right' to something can only be fulfilled by taking from others, it shouldn't be fulfilled at all.

    in that case none of our rights should be fulfilled. no education, no health service, no schools or hospitals or gardai as they involve taking something from us all, money. i have a right to keep all of my money. accept when it is decided that isn't the case as we need services for the good of society as a whole.
    Nermal wrote: »
    The empty houses in the country would fill up rather quickly if urban councils were not legally obliged to provide accommodation for everyone who turns up at their doors.

    IMO this is speculation and wishful thinking with nothing to show it to be the case in reality.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #178
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Exactly. I work about a 15/20 minute drive from my job. If I want to make it in for 8am, I need to get the 6:40am bus. To get that bus I need to leave home at 6:15am.
    And yet I'm still late for work a few times a month, due to the bus not showing up, being too full, or being stuck in traffic.

    I'm lucky that I can walk it in roughly an hour or so if the weather is good but that isn't always possible in this climate, particularly in the winter.

    You really need to buy a car, or move. I used to have a 2 hour commute by public transport until i got a car, which made it a 20 minute commute. Seriously, help yourself. No-one else is goi6to solve your problems.


  • #179
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    end of the road wrote: »
    they do report the reasons where and when they can. at least tv and radio do.
    now i can understand that the reasons may not fit in with your viewpoint, but that isn't the problem of the media to be fair.
    the media can only report the facts, sometimes they may not be what we want to hear but that is fine and how it should be IMO.

    The facts like Margaret Cash and Erica Fleming?? 2 poster children circle jerked over in the media as affllicted little darlings?

    personal responsibility is alive in the vast vast majority of the population however it is only going to carry any of us so far before it is unable to do any more.
    Only proving my point - there’s only so far hard working taxpayers will tolerate this bull**** before something snaps.
    we don't reward anybody as it should be. we help those in need as is right. if someone is not bettering themselves it is because it is not possible for them to do so.

    There is no such thing as impossible to do so when it comes to being on the dole - don’t give me that **** that they “can’t” better themselves to get a job. The problem is they feel even jobs like McDonald’s are beneath them and they have no reason to get out of bed once all the benefits are in on time. The likes of you are only enabling these wasters with your attitude.


  • #180
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    n97 mini wrote: »
    You really need to buy a car, or move. I used to have a 2 hour commute by public transport until i got a car, which made it a 20 minute commute. Seriously, help yourself. No-one else is goi6to solve your problems.

    we are all helping ourselves, however many have reached the limit to how much they are able to help themselves. they can't help themselves any further, they are stuck and have no viable options but what they have. any other options remove more of their income or destroy their quality of life.
    no one else is going to solve your problems is a nice soundbite but that is all it is . a sound bite that does not solve anyone's situation or provide solutions.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    The facts like Margaret Cash and Erica Fleming?? 2 poster children circle jerked over in the media as affllicted little darlings?

    yes, the facts about them were available.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    Only proving my point - there’s only so far hard working taxpayers will tolerate this bull**** before something snaps.

    i couldn't agree more. plenty of them are effected by this housing crisis, in fact, most of those effected are tax payers i would suspect.
    The Specialist wrote: »
    There is no such thing as impossible to do so when it comes to being on the dole - don’t give me that **** that they “can’t” better themselves to get a job. The problem is they feel even jobs like McDonald’s are beneath them and they have no reason to get out of bed once all the benefits are in on time. The likes of you are only enabling these wasters with your attitude.

    there is such thing as impossible to do. what is possible for me or you, may not always be possible for someone else. for some of those unemployed, it is not possible for them to better themselves to the high standards fussy employers expect these days.
    jobs like mcdonalds don't pay a wage that is viable for one to live on in this high cost country. wages need to provide a good living and quality of life.
    my attitude is enabling the worker. it is about enabling the quality of life for all to improve, insuring a happy healthy nation, which is good for all.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



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  • #181
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    end of the road wrote: »
    we are all helping ourselves, however many have reached the limit to how much they are able to help themselves. they can't help themselves any further, they are stuck and have no viable options but what they have. any other options remove more of their income or destroy their quality of life.


    there is such thing as impossible to do. what is possible for me or you, may not always be possible for someone else. for some of those unemployed, it is not possible for them to better themselves to the high standards fussy employers expect these days.
    jobs like mcdonalds don't pay a wage that is viable for one to live on in this high cost country. wages need to provide a good living and quality of life.
    my attitude is enabling the worker. it is about enabling the quality of life for all to improve, insuring a happy healthy nation, which is good for all.

    For this compassionate realism, thank you.


  • #182
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So there was three opportunities for you to ask yesterday, did you?

    I doubt if the bird in Dealz would know that .


  • #183
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    end of the road wrote: »
    there is such thing as impossible to do. what is possible for me or you, may not always be possible for someone else. for some of those unemployed, it is not possible for them to better themselves to the high standards fussy employers expect these days.
    jobs like mcdonalds don't pay a wage that is viable for one to live on in this high cost country. wages need to provide a good living and quality of life.
    my attitude is enabling the worker. it is about enabling the quality of life for all to improve, insuring a happy healthy nation, which is good for all.

    I think people would be surprised what they are capable of if the alternative is very unappealing.


  • #184
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SortingYouOut wrote: »
    And our roads are still a joke.

    I'd actually recommend anyone looking for accomodation to reside in one of the potholes out my direction, you'd be set for life.

    I'm holding out for a pothole near me Ma, thanks


  • #185
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    If we have no housing crisis why are rents at an all time high? Why do landlords have to look through over 100 applications for the room to rent they advertise? Why do people go to viewings with cash deposits in a desperate attempt to get somewhere to live?


    Ridiculous government interference and 52% taxation on rental income.


  • #186
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ebbsy wrote:
    I doubt if the bird in Dealz would know that .


    Unless you want to clarify all I can take from your response is you didn't ask any of the three individuals collecting for the homeless where the money goes. Instead you directed your question to a bunch of randomers on an internet forum.....ok.


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  • #187
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.daft.ie/ireland/houses-for-rent/
    Found 1,534 properties Houses to rent in Ireland

    Any chance of a thread title change?


  • #188
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    n97 mini wrote: »
    You really need to buy a car, or move. I used to have a 2 hour commute by public transport until i got a car, which made it a 20 minute commute. Seriously, help yourself. No-one else is goi6to solve your problems.

    I can't afford a car. If I could I wouldn't be reliant on public transport.
    What do you suggest I do, steal one??

    I'm not expecting anyone to solve my problems either :confused: I'm just pointing out the reality of living and working in this country as a young single person, on a not so great income.


  • #189
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The Specialist wrote: »
    Name your closest family and friends and get them to provide an explanation why they can’t offer you a room for a few weeks until you get back on your feet.

    So a "friend" of someone who has become homeless gets hauled in front of the county council and has to explain why they won't accommodate them?

    You haven't really though that through, have you?

    :pac:


  • #190
    JustAThought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Someone in a 2 or 3 bed council or state subsidised house who 'throws out' their son or daughter should be immeduately removed from that council house or flat and reallocated or relisted for a smaller.one as they have additional capacity they are not using and the house is no.longer suited for.their needs - highly subsidised by tye taxpayer. Or they can be told to share with a 'homeless' person and give the use of the.house and share - they have a state sponsored room free in their council house - they either use it or lose it.

    Womens partners and husbands should be made by the state to.provide for their offspring/children - this nonsense of delarung yourself homeless and not knowing who the father is or.being paid for 3 or 4 children living abroad while.declaring yourself homeless here is utter abuse. They found a way to tax our houses and water overnight - no doubt they can use the same resources to.identifying deadbeat fathers and extracting payments from their salaries or benefits - the same way they did for house taxes. A fine gael/labour screw them twice initiative.

    Nobody is talking about the 50% tax put on private rentals - draw your line there - wouodn't everyone prefer this to be reduced to about 5 or 7% . Houses are taxed multiple ways including caputal gains taxes on their appreciated value and inheritance tax when.the owner dies - all going to.the coffers of the government to ge squandered while joe average is crucified paying them and for them in increased rent etc

    At tye same time not a single penny is offered in state support to someone paying a mortgage on their family home if they get cancer or lose their job - because even if they have paid up for q0 or 20 years and still owe money on the mortgage to e paid every month just the same as "rent" - they have nothing to hep them and no safety net until the final payment is made which could take 25 or 30 years. It seems some people who try and look after their families and children are crucified with penaltues,taxes and rates while being given nothing while others are taxed at 50% on their effort, while a wider majority are offered everything on the back of other peoples effort and investment and prudence. True abuse of communism in action.


  • #191
    Greyfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    end of the road wrote: »

    there is such thing as impossible to do. what is possible for me or you, may not always be possible for someone else. for some of those unemployed, it is not possible for them to better themselves to the high standards fussy employers expect these days.
    jobs like mcdonalds don't pay a wage that is viable for one to live on in this high cost country. wages need to provide a good living and quality of life.
    my attitude is enabling the worker. it is about enabling the quality of life for all to improve, insuring a happy healthy nation, which is good for all.

    Well they should be trying to get a job. The fact that some people think its ok for someone to choose the dole over working in Mcdonalds is one of the many things wrong with this country.


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  • #192
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Greyfox wrote: »
    Well they should be trying to get a job.

    those of them who can are doing exactly that.
    for the few who aren't, the employment market has no space for them anyway. there are no jobs for them and employers do not want them.
    Greyfox wrote: »
    The fact that some people think its ok for someone to choose the dole over working in Mcdonalds is one of the many things wrong with this country.

    not at all. it's just accepting reality. there will always be unemployed. that's just a fact of life.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #193
    GhostyMcGhost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭GhostyMcGhost


    Boggles wrote: »
    https://www.daft.ie/ireland/houses-for-rent/

    Any chance of a thread title change?

    about as much a chance of an attitude change tbh.... I'd hope to god some here dont fall on hard times, how will they cope knowing they're now they're now part of the problem... but for them of course it will be completely different standards of judgement


  • #194
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    end of the road wrote: »
    those of them who can are doing exactly that.
    for the few who aren't, the employment market has no space for them anyway. there are no jobs for them and employers do not want them..

    If you saw the volume of young fit men and women that hang around all day in Dublin 1 you would not make a statement like that. The only reason alot of them are not gainfully employed is that they are making more from selling prescription meds to the highest bidder. The place is awash with them.


  • #195
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    If you saw the volume of young fit men and women that hang around all day in Dublin 1 you would not make a statement like that. The only reason alot of them are not gainfully employed is that they are making more from selling prescription meds to the highest bidder. The place is awash with them.

    which is exactly why IMO they probably won't be employed.
    i think it's probably fair to say that there are very very few employers who would want a former drug seller/dealer on their pay roll, even if the drugs they were selling were proscription drugs.
    is that fair? no if someone actually changes their ways and shows remorse for what they did, but it is how it is unfortunately

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #196
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    end of the road wrote: »
    which is exactly why IMO they probably won't be employed.
    i think it's probably fair to say that there are very very few employers who would want a former drug seller/dealer on their pay roll, even if the drugs they were selling were proscription drugs.
    is that fair? no if someone actually changes their ways and shows remorse for what they did, but it is how it is unfortunately

    So why do they need to be housed 200metres from the IFSC?


  • #197
    Cyclical Apocalypse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 58 ✭✭Cyclical Apocalypse


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    So why do they need to be housed 200metres from the IFSC?

    No one on here has argued those unfortunate enough to be unemployed should be housed near the IFSC only that people shouldn't be forcefully relocated outside of areas where they grew up and have family and social connections.


  • #198
    Doc07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Doc07


    Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »
    No one on here has argued those unfortunate enough to be unemployed should be housed near the IFSC only that people shouldn't be forcefully relocated outside of areas where they grew up and have family and social connections.

    That’s fine but you could argue the ‘forcefully relocated’ remark applies more to private renters/homeowners who can’t afford to rent or buy where they grew up and live in commuter towns.


  • #199
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Cyclical Apocalypse wrote: »
    No one on here has argued those unfortunate enough to be unemployed should be housed near the IFSC only that people shouldn't be forcefully relocated outside of areas where they grew up and have family and social connections.

    But it is ok that employed people are (due to economic necessity) forcefully relocated outside of areas where they grew up and have family and social connections?

    What about when these families and social connections are the cause of the anti social issues?


  • #200
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    So why do they need to be housed 200metres from the IFSC?


    the existence of and access to services. that goes for cities in general, there are plenty of other options in dublin rather then the specific location you mention but the same would still apply.

    when we talk about housing people it's not just the bare housing cost that needs to be considered but all other possible costs as well.

    Doc07 wrote: »
    That’s fine but you could argue the ‘forcefully relocated’ remark applies more to private renters/homeowners who can’t afford to rent or buy where they grew up and live in commuter towns.





    that is the case at the moment, yes .
    however if there were forced locations of unemployed and wellfare dependents, then it would apply to both as people being forced to buy further out would still continue.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #201
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    end of the road wrote: »
    which is exactly why IMO they probably won't be employed.
    i think it's probably fair to say that there are very very few employers who would want a former drug seller/dealer on their pay roll, even if the drugs they were selling were proscription drugs.
    is that fair? no if someone actually changes their ways and shows remorse for what they did, but it is how it is unfortunately

    There is a thread over on long term illness re rehabilitation that makes interesting reading

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//showthread.php?t=2057989689


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