Female student beaten up in Maynooth(NO SPECULATION)

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 10:06am #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/additional-garda-resources-urged-in-wake-of-maynooth-assault-1.2876431

I can't believe there hasn't been a thread on this or have I missed it? The mainstream media are already moving on to other things and the incident will soon disappear into the archives.

This should be front page stuff on newspapers, TV and radio until the thugs involved are arrested and brought before the courts. The Gardai should throw everything they have at it and I mean everything. Anybody else think that this sort of incident no longer gets the response that it needs or should we just give up on civilisation? :mad:

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 22-11-2016 10:15am

Something similar happened in athlone a few years ago. Girl walking back to her house after a night out, scumbags broke a bottle and stabbed her in the face with it.

sullivlo · 22-11-2016 10:18am

Don't see why her gender is relevant to the story. It would be horrific for it to happen to anyone, regardless of their gender.

It was discussed at length on the radio yesterday. Local councillors were all over the story promising changes. Changes that they promised years ago when they were elected.

There's not a lot else to discuss. It's in the hands of the Gardai now, and hopefully incidents like this don't happen again.

Winterlong · 22-11-2016 10:23am

It looks like a random attack too. I just don't understand why some people would want to do this.

thelad95 · 22-11-2016 10:26am

I know Maynooth very well and what's strange is that the estate it happened in is very quite, mostly full of young families who keep to themselves, it's a relatively new development.

However, it's also quite close (pretty much adjacent too) the Universitys student accommodation and many students living in that accommodation often have friends visit from home who are shall we say not so civilised.

Of course I'm speculating but there is a really rough estate in maynooth called Old Greenfield where you'd nearly expect this to happen, the Moyglare road area is really very peaceful, so it's deeply shocked a lot of residents and understandably the student community are now terrified as well as many many students would walk home alone on that road.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 10:30am

sullivlo wrote: »

Don't see why her gender is relevant to the story. It would be horrific for it to happen to anyone, regardless of their gender.

It was discussed at length on the radio yesterday. Local councillors were all over the story promising changes. Changes that they promised years ago when they were elected.

There's not a lot else to discuss. It's in the hands of the Gardai now, and hopefully incidents like this don't happen again.

I think that gender is important as in times gone by attacking old people, women and children tended to be beyond the pale but not these days. What the hell have local councillors to do with it? The local Gardai...God help us, is that the extent of it? I suppose it will be on Crimecall in six months time .. where we you six months ago on such and such a date and did you see a silver coloured car acting suspiciously....That's why things are running out of control in this country and it's only going to get worse.

If I had the money that some of our high flyers have I would feel morally obliged to put up a large reward for information leading to a successful conviction in this case. As for hoping it won't happen again, give me patience - is there anything to be said for another mass!

wakka12 · 22-11-2016 10:50am

Are you saying it should be a bigger story because the victim was a woman? Because I don't see how you can expect a random violent assault to hold public interest or stay in the media for much longer than a day unless it happened to somebody famous

mikhail · 22-11-2016 10:51am

Del.Monte wrote: »

I think that gender is important as in times gone by attacking old people, women and children tended to be beyond the pale but not these days.

Women have been assaulted for as long as there have been women. This is a golden age fallacy.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 10:55am

mikhail wrote: »

Women have been assaulted for as long as there have been women. This is a golden age fallacy.

People in general are being attacked far more in recent years - that isn't a golden age fallacy. This sort of attack needs to cracked down on hard whatever it takes and the charge when brought to court should be attempted murder.

The flying mouse · 22-11-2016 10:56am

OP assaults like this happen daily throughout Ireland, Without taking any compassion from the unfortunate victim ,Why are you so caught up on this particular one ? And without being funny if this is making you think of giving up on civilisation , Don't look at any of the news through out the day or ever.

Flint Fredstone · 22-11-2016 10:56am

Strange thread. You would probably have something similar happen up and down the country every week.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 10:58am

wakka12 wrote: »

Are you saying it should be a bigger story because the victim was a woman? Because I don't see how you can expect a random violent assault to hold public interest or stay in the media for much longer than a day unless it happened to somebody famous

Dear God, I don't expect it to hold public interest unless it is relentlessly pursued by our lazy media. The world is bombarded by bad news every day and the media moves on to the next atrocity or Kardashian story which just isn't good enough.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 10:59am

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Strange thread. You would probably have something similar happen up and down the country every week.

And that makes it okay? Just move on, nothing to see here.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 11:01am

The flying mouse wrote: »

OP assaults like this happen daily throughout Ireland, Without taking any compassion from the unfortunate victim ,Why are you so caught up on this particular one ? And without being funny if this is making you think of giving up on civilisation , Don't look at any of the news through out the day or ever.

I'm caught up by this one as it is the latest incident and is particularly brutal. Those involved should be hung from a tree. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities,

The flying mouse · 22-11-2016 11:03am

Del.Monte wrote: »

And that makes it okay? Just move on, nothing to see here.

What excacly would you like to be done here ? That is not already being done.

pilly · 22-11-2016 11:04am

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Strange thread. You would probably have something similar happen up and down the country every week.

Really? I like to think that there isn't an 18 year old girl viciously attacked like this every week randomly. I don't believe that is the case at all.

And I agree with other posters that her gender does matter. I fully accept young men are attacked sometime too but they have a far higher chance of defending themselves than a female.

Also there used to be at least some honour amongst thugs that at least they wouldn't hit women, this seems all but gone and is another step down to a completely uncivilised society.

Sonics2k · 22-11-2016 11:04am

Del.Monte wrote: »

What the hell have local councillors to do with it? The local Gardai...God help us, is that the extent of it?

What do you expect them to do? Get on the phone to Obama and ask him to send over the CIA?

Of course it's the Gardai dealing with it.

fizzypish · 22-11-2016 11:04am

sullivlo wrote: »

Don't see why her gender is relevant to the story. It would be horrific for it to happen to anyone, regardless of their gender.

While I don't disagree with you I do think its note worthy. A piece of **** jumps someone is bad. A piece of **** jumps a woman is a little worse in my opinion. Probably gonna get lambasted for this but anyway..... A lot of men (not all of course) through hobbies or just horsing around tend to be able to take a slap. Women tend not to interact like this and less play contact sports and such (not all of course, a lot of women would take a hit better than I ever could). I remember the first time I took a slap in a violent situation. I honestly effected me for a little while in my life. If I had the opportunity to take a slap for someone (not just a woman) to save them that pain (mental, physical pain passes) I'd do it. Anyway I have meandered wildly off topic, probably sound like a neanderthal but my point is if 100 men and 100 women encountered this ****ty situation, I think it would leave a lasting effect on more of the women than the men.

The flying mouse · 22-11-2016 11:05am

Del.Monte wrote: »

I'm caught up by this one as it is the latest incident and is particularly brutal. Those involved should be hung from a tree. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities,

Why would it offend my sensibilities ? If that's what you want to do , of you go , I am sure there are quite a few down your neck of the words that can do with a tree hanging.

Flint Fredstone · 22-11-2016 11:06am

Del.Monte wrote: »

And that makes it okay? Just move on, nothing to see here.

Did I say that? Maybe you should go through all the local papers and start a thread for the rest of them. It would keep you busy anyway.

xzanti · 22-11-2016 11:07am

I find it deeply disturbing. I had nightmares last night after hearing about her injuries.

And, yes, I know it happens all the time here, but it doesn't take away from how horrible it was.

It's not a million miles from where I live tbh. I'm in Naas.

I think what strikes me is that she wasn't raped (afaik) and they didn't rob any of her belongings. So what was the motive?

If I were to make an assumption, I would say some girls followed her off the bus and did this to her. For whatever reason, I don't know. That's just my uneducated guess.

I really wish the girl a speedy recovery and I hope she gets plenty of after care and support. She's going to need it.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-11-2016 11:08am

Hopefully they might be able to sketch those involved. Name and shame and lock them away for good when found

pilly · 22-11-2016 11:09am

fizzypish wrote: »

While I don't disagree with you I do think its note worthy. A piece of **** jumps someone is bad. A piece of **** jumps a woman is a little worse in my opinion. Probably gonna get lambasted for this but anyway..... A lot of men (not all of course) through hobbies or just horsing around tend to be able to take a slap. Women tend not to interact like this and less play contact sports and such (not all of course, a lot of women would take a hit better than I ever could). I remember the first time I took a slap in a violent situation. I honestly effected me for a little while in my life. If I had the opportunity to take a slap for someone (not just a woman) to save them that pain (mental, physical pain passes) I'd do it. Anyway I have meandered wildly off topic, probably sound like a neanderthal but my point is if 100 men and 100 women encountered this ****ty situation, I think it would leave a lasting effect on more of the women than the men.

Totally agree. As a woman who is not sporty at all I have a been in a situation where someone has punched me and I have to say it was the biggest shock of my life. I know men feel it as well but your point is well made, if you're used to playing football etc. it may not be as big a shock.

Flint Fredstone · 22-11-2016 11:10am

pilly wrote: »

Really? I like to think that there isn't an 18 year old girl viciously attacked like this every week randomly. I don't believe that is the case at all.

And I agree with other posters that her gender does matter. I fully accept young men are attacked sometime too but they have a far higher chance of defending themselves than a female.

Also there used to be at least some honour amongst thugs that at least they wouldn't hit women, this seems all but gone and is another step down to a completely uncivilised society.

I'm willing to bet that there's an 18 year old attacked randomly every day. I doubt it's all that uncommon that it's a female either.
The country is crawling with scum that are too "precious" at a young age to be punished.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 11:11am

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Did I say that? Maybe you should go through all the local papers and start a thread for the rest of them. It would keep you busy anyway.

I am quite busy enough thank you.

silverharp · 22-11-2016 11:11am

fizzypish wrote: »

While I don't disagree with you I do think its note worthy. A piece of **** jumps someone is bad. A piece of **** jumps a woman is a little worse in my opinion. Probably gonna get lambasted for this but anyway..... A lot of men (not all of course) through hobbies or just horsing around tend to be able to take a slap. Women tend not to interact like this and less play contact sports and such (not all of course, a lot of women would take a hit better than I ever could). I remember the first time I took a slap in a violent situation. I honestly effected me for a little while in my life. If I had the opportunity to take a slap for someone (not just a woman) to save them that pain (mental, physical pain passes) I'd do it. Anyway I have meandered wildly off topic, probably sound like a neanderthal but my point is if 100 men and 100 women encountered this ****ty situation, I think it would leave a lasting effect on more of the women than the men.

in reality though there are probably 100 men who face this for every couple of women? and within that 100 there are bound to be a couple of deaths, stabbings, heads cracked of pavement corners....

sbsquarepants · 22-11-2016 11:12am

Del.Monte wrote: »

People in general are being attacked far more in recent years - that isn't a golden age fallacy. This sort of attack needs to cracked down on hard whatever it takes and the charge when brought to court should be attempted murder.

This is actually a fallacy - people are generally being attacked less now than in times gone by, you just hear about it more than you did because of social media etc.
That being said it was a very nasty assault and I hope whoever done it gets what they deserve..

GLaDOS · 22-11-2016 11:12am

Seems like a particularly brutal assault so not sure it's fair to say it happens every week. That said I've seen it reported a few times, as well as another thread here in the Kildare forum, so I'm not sure what the OP wants.

pilly · 22-11-2016 11:14am

I can't understand people saying this is happening every day of the week? If someone can show me reports showing that a young girl is randomly attacked every day then I'll believe it. Until then I don't believe it.

Carlos Orange · 22-11-2016 11:14am

pilly wrote: »

I fully accept young men are attacked sometime too but they have a far higher chance of defending themselves than a female.

I'd say men get attacked a little more often than sometimes.

It doesn't really matter anyway. In the unlikely event they work out who it was and the unlikely event they are convicted they will probably be sentenced to a big long hug because they have had a tough life or something like that.

Advbrd · 22-11-2016 11:17am

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that there's an 18 year old attacked randomly every day. I doubt it's all that uncommon that it's a female either.
The country is crawling with scum that are too "precious" at a young age to be punished.

Thankfully, I must be living a very sheltered life because in the area in which I circulate (which includes Maynooth and Dublin) I am not aware of these 18 year olds getting attacked at random on a daily basis.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 11:18am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

This is actually a fallacy - people are generally being attacked less now than in times gone by, you just hear about it more than you did because of social media etc.
That being said it was a very nasty assault and I hope whoever done it gets what they deserve..

This is a fallacy.

I don't know what age you are but I grew up in the 1960s and I assure you that violent attacks were an awful lot less common then. I remember when a Scottish visitor was stabbed in Bray and the country talked of little else for the year. I get my news from the radio and occasionally newspapers so it's not that I'm influenced by social media.

sbsquarepants · 22-11-2016 11:18am

psinno wrote: »

I'd say men get attacked a little more often than sometimes.

It doesn't really matter anyway. In the unlikely event they work out who it was and the unlikely event they are convicted they will probably be sentenced to a big long hug because they have had a tough life or something like that.

Seems to be the way alright.

LuckyLloyd · 22-11-2016 11:20am

pilly wrote: »

I can't understand people saying this is happening every day of the week? If someone can show me reports showing that a young girl is randomly attacked every day then I'll believe it. Until then I don't believe it.

May not have been random (not that it would be defensible in any context). Newspaper says "motive is unclear".

Witchie · 22-11-2016 11:20am

xzanti wrote: »

I find it deeply disturbing. I had nightmares last night after hearing about her injuries.

And, yes, I know it happens all the time here, but it doesn't take away from how horrible it was.

It's not a million miles from where I live tbh. I'm in Naas.

I think what strikes me is that she wasn't raped (afaik) and they didn't rob any of her belongings. So what was the motive?

If I were to make an assumption, I would say some girls followed her off the bus and did this to her. For whatever reason, I don't know. That's just my uneducated guess.

I really wish the girl a speedy recovery and I hope she gets plenty of after care and support. She's going to need it.

I highly doubt the highlighted piece. She is from just up the road from me and I know some people who would go on that bus and really don't think this would be the case. Most of these kids leaving our small towns going to college are not the type of thugs who would do this.

When I first heard the story, of course, I thought of the 2 girls I know who are first years in Maynooth from the same town as the victim. Was only a little relieved when I heard it wasn't either of them but one of their school mates so it's not much easier to swallow.

My son goes on a similar bus to UCD on a Sunday evening, would know half of the bus that this girl was on and even though he is in a different college, he was saying that the effects are being felt there. There is a sense of shock and anger that one of their peers could be so brutally attacked.

While I don't expect it to be headline news, I do agree with the OP that it should be a little more highlighted. No young girl and let's face it, she is only little more than a child, moved away from home such a short while, should have to face this.

I worry now that whatever future career she had in mind will be difficult to follow, I know if I was in her situation I would find it impossible to go back to college in Maynooth and even the subjects might now be tainted by the thoughts of what happened.

After her broken eye sockets, nose and cheekbones heal there will still be an awful lot of psychological damage to repair. Poor girl has a long hard road ahead.

Totally shocked and disgusted by this attack.

lertsnim · 22-11-2016 11:20am

Del.Monte wrote: »

The mainstream media are already moving on to other things and the incident will soon disappear into the archives.

Of course it is. As awful as the incident is, most people have no interest in the story.

wakka12 · 22-11-2016 11:23am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Dear God, I don't expect it to hold public interest unless it is relentlessly pursued by our lazy media. The world is bombarded by bad news every day and the media moves on to the next atrocity or Kardashian story which just isn't good enough.

What are the media supposed to talk about other than what happened? Its not like its a developing story?

22-11-2016 11:23am

The flying mouse wrote: »

OP assaults like this happen daily throughout Ireland,.............

It's not an everyday event where an 18 year old gets assaulted randomly while walking to their accommodation on a Sunday evening.

No doubt there are scobes beating up scobes every day but assaults "like this" don't happen daily throughout Ireland.

mikhail · 22-11-2016 11:24am

http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/161625-how-ireland-always-violent-5.html

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 11:25am

lertsnim wrote: »

Of course it is. As awful as the incident is, most people have no interest in the story.

Why on earth would you think that most people have no interest in the story? Anybody I speak to - and that's plenty of people - are totally disgusted by the gradual breakdown in law and order across the country.

pilly · 22-11-2016 11:25am

Augeo wrote: »

It's not an everyday event where an 18 year old gets assaulted randomly while walking to their accommodation on a Sunday evening.

No doubt there are scobes beating up scobes every day but assaults "like this" don't happen daily throughout Ireland.

This is what I can't understand here. People accepting this is an everyday occurrence is nuts! And only goes to show how desensitised we've become. I agree there's no way this is happening randomly every day.

sonic85 · 22-11-2016 11:28am

Could this be classed as something more severe than an assault? An assault to me would probably be a slap or two but this woman seems to have been severely beaten and her injuries are extremely serious. Would attempted murder be stretching it?

pilly · 22-11-2016 11:33am

sonic85 wrote: »

Could this be classed as something more severe than an assault? An assault to me would probably be a slap or two but this woman seems to have been severely beaten and her injuries are extremely serious. Would attempted murder be stretching it?

I agree. I think there are certain degrees of assault that someone can be charged with also isn't there. This would be an aggravated assault at the very least.

Lets just hope that whatever judge these scum come up against will throw the book at them.

steddyeddy · 22-11-2016 11:34am

fizzypish wrote: »

While I don't disagree with you I do think its note worthy. A piece of **** jumps someone is bad. A piece of **** jumps a woman is a little worse in my opinion. Probably gonna get lambasted for this but anyway..... A lot of men (not all of course) through hobbies or just horsing around tend to be able to take a slap. Women tend not to interact like this and less play contact sports and such (not all of course, a lot of women would take a hit better than I ever could). I remember the first time I took a slap in a violent situation. I honestly effected me for a little while in my life. If I had the opportunity to take a slap for someone (not just a woman) to save them that pain (mental, physical pain passes) I'd do it. Anyway I have meandered wildly off topic, probably sound like a neanderthal but my point is if 100 men and 100 women encountered this ****ty situation, I think it would leave a lasting effect on more of the women than the men.

That's sexist tripe. I have male friends who got assaulted like that come out with lasting problems.

Del.Monte · 22-11-2016 11:35am

wakka12 wrote: »

What are the media supposed to talk about other than what happened? Its not like its a developing story?

How about getting the Minister for Justice on to the radio to explain what's happening and keep on her case over it. Ditto the Garda Commissioner if she has any time to spare away form sending gmails. Examples need to be made and these scumbags should be hunted down and then sent down for a long, long time.

How about putting Crimecall http://www.rte.ie/tv/crimecall/about.html on 52 weeks of the year instead of treating it like some sort of soap that just runs for a season? How about really cracking down on all sorts of lawlessness - mobile phone use while driving, drink driving, uninsured driving, drug dealing, drug importation, diesel laundering......there's plenty of work out there for the Minister, Commissioner and Gardai - not to mention the useless media.

The flying mouse · 22-11-2016 11:37am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why on earth would you think that most people have no interest in the story? Anybody I speak to - and that's plenty of people - are totally disgusted by the gradual breakdown in law and order across the country.

And yet you would like them hung from a tree :rolleyes: That be great for law and order.

pilly · 22-11-2016 11:39am

wakka12 wrote: »

What are the media supposed to talk about other than what happened? Its not like its a developing story?

I guarantee you if it was Gay Byrne or Joe Duffy that was attacked in this way it would be in the media for weeks maybe months. Why shouldn't this girl and her story be kept in the media, if nothing else it will put pressure on the Garda and courts to make sure these scum are prosecuted fully.

sbsquarepants · 22-11-2016 11:40am

Del.Monte wrote: »

This is a fallacy.

I don't know what age you are but I grew up in the 1960s and I assure you that violent attacks were an awful lot less common then. I remember when a Scottish visitor was stabbed in Bray and the country talked of little else for the year. I get my news from the radio and occasionally newspapers so it's not that I'm influenced by social media.

I'm 42, I grew up in the 70's and 80's. Where I grew up (I still live in the same general area) there were regular huge gang fights, I remember one in particular must have involved about 50 or 60 people most armed with bars or batons of some sort, scared the bejaysus out of me (I'd say I was about 13 or 14 at the time) There where robbed cars rallied and burned out practically every night. For about a year or so things got so bad that there where vigilantes patrolling the streets at night - they were actually worse than the gangs. It was like living in Aleppo!
I can't speak for the 60's but things are certainly much better now than they were 20 years ago.

pilly · 22-11-2016 11:40am

The flying mouse wrote: »

And yet you would like them hung from a tree :rolleyes: That be great for law and order.

It would actually, no harm in removing the scum.

lertsnim · 22-11-2016 11:43am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why on earth would you think that most people have no interest in the story? Anybody I speak to - and that's plenty of people - are totally disgusted by the gradual breakdown in law and order across the country.

Now you are comparing what I said to something different. The "gradual breakdown in law and order" is of course something that is important to everyone and should be discussed as a whole. This does not mean that an assault should stay as a main news item.

sbsquarepants · 22-11-2016 11:45am

mikhail wrote: »

http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/161625-how-ireland-always-violent-5.html

Seems like I was taking my own localised experience and expanding it to the country at large.
There's no arguing with cold statistics, I stand corrected.

Female student beaten up in Maynooth(NO SPECULATION)

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