Female student beaten up in Maynooth(NO SPECULATION)

Widdershins

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This wouldn't have happened if the OP hadn't highlighted gender in the thread title. It's understandably inflammatory, much like when the media reports "12 people, including 3 women, have been killed in an airstrike".

No its not the same. Typically an incident with one individual is described using their gender.

smelly sock

end of the road wrote: »

pc do gooders don't exist, neither does pc, and they're is nothing wrong with being a do gooder. the government make the decisians, and they do not wish to fund enforcement of the law. nothing to do with personal computers.



absolutely. protest, make it an election issue the next time they're is an election and the politicians come looking for votes.



we all ready do. it's the likes of you who throw out sound bites and rant rather then read what was written.



not route causes your hole. route causes are very important to deal with the issue.

You go up to connolly memorial hospital to kym owens bed amd talk to her family about the root causes of this crime.

Del.Monte

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This wouldn't have happened if the OP hadn't highlighted gender in the thread title. It's understandably inflammatory, much like when the media reports "12 people, including 3 women, have been killed in an airstrike".

I didn't highlight the victim's gender to provoke people, but I do regard it as particularly cowardly to attack women, old people or children. That said, I was brought up with the maxim 'do unto others as you would have them do to you', so I am appalled by anybody attacking anybody regardless of their sex.

smelly sock

Why do some poster think that punishing a crime and preventing it need to be linked.

By the time the crime has happened its to late to prevent. No proof shows that prison sentences work. So hang the scum who done this. See of we have more success. Silure if we dont ot one more scumbag off the streets.

eviltwin

smelly sock wrote: »

Why do some poster think that punishing a crime and preventing it need to be linked.

By the time the crime has happened its to late to prevent. No proof shows that prison sentences work. So hang the scum who done this. See of we have more success. Silure if we dont ot one more scumbag off the streets.

If you could be executed for beating someone up then you'd probably kill them anyway to avoid detection.

hatrickpatrick

Widdershins wrote: »

No its not the same. Typically an incident with one individual is described using their gender.

They should have just used the word "man" or "woman" then. Sticking a gender adjective next to a noun like "student" smacks of highlighting.

Regardless, read my post on the other page. Entire thread misses the point, issue here is that these f*ckers will get a slap on the wrist and feel emboldened to do it again, because we don't properly punish crime in Ireland until people are already hardened criminals because they weren't dealt with when they were younger. Assault doesn't get you a jail sentence until you do it a hundred times and permanently scar somebody. Country is a joke in that regard.

smelly sock

eviltwin wrote: »

If you could be executed for beating someone up then you'd probably kill them anyway to avoid detection.

I think they did try to kill the youngster.

hatrickpatrick

eviltwin wrote: »

If you could be executed for beating someone up then you'd probably kill them anyway to avoid detection.

Of course, but would you agree that in Ireland our criminal penalties are a joke? I'm quite confident that I could beat seven shades of sh!te out of multiple people, multiple times and probably wouldn't see the inside of a cell until my conviction count had reached the double digits. Remember those twelve scumbags who raided a family's house, beat the father up in front of the kids and left them so traumatised that they couldn't live at home anymore? They all got sentences which would have been more fitting of a non violent robbery. 12 years, but 7 suspended? F*cking unbelievable.

Widdershins

eviltwin wrote: »

If you could be executed for beating someone up then you'd probably kill them anyway to avoid detection.

There's still the possibility of a good stretch in prison even f our judges don't seem inclined to impose it, and the people who do this kind of thing are not inclined to be generous and let someone live if it came down to it.

kittensmittens

Saw a photo of the victim, Kym, just there. In what looks to be her Debs dress.
She's just a slip of a girl. 5'3 and as slim as anything.
I get a sinking feeling this may not have been just a random attack. Hopefully she can give gardai enough information to catch who did this.
Poor girl and her poor family, I wish her a speedy recovery.

xzanti

kittensmittens wrote: »

Saw a photo of the victim, Kym, just there. In what looks to be her Debs dress.
She's just a slip of a girl. 5'3 and as slim as anything.
I get a sinking feeling this may not have been just a random attack. Hopefully she can give gardai enough information to catch who did this.
Poor girl and her poor family, I wish her a speedy recovery.

Poor kid

Electric Sheep

kittensmittens wrote: »

Saw a photo of the victim, Kym, just there. In what looks to be her Debs dress.
She's just a slip of a girl. 5'3 and as slim as anything.
I get a sinking feeling this may not have been just a random attack. Hopefully she can give gardai enough information to catch who did this.
Poor girl and her poor family, I wish her a speedy recovery.

I agree. The extent of the facial injuries indicates rage to me, not the usual random punch where the victim's injuries are caused by hitting their head on the pavement.

r93kaey5p2izun

The poor girl, I hope she fully recovers from this horrible incident. This attack has left me a little bit shook as I spend time in the area - same as the rape near my home a few months ago. It definitely makes you think about how vulnerable you are. It's not the first time there have been assaults in the town though. I received many warnings from the university when I was last in college there, following a spate of random attacks at the time - one was fairly serious I think but none as vicious as this.

FionnK86

I hope the bastard who did this gets caught and there name published all over the papers.

They have ruined this girl's life, she won't be able to feel safe again for a long time, whoever did this should have the same. The judges won't do anything about it, the media have to.

The flying mouse

My daughter goes to Maynooth college, she telling me tonight there is a lot of scared folks around, including her.

I'm less than five foot and I'm slightly built. If a guy over 6ft decides he wants to beat me half to death it's likely (but not a given) that I'll come out worse than if he decided to beat the daylights out of another guy of a similar size with better chance of defending himself.

Other than that, it's an horrific attack and the gender is completely secondary to that. It would be equally horrific if it was a guy left with those injuries and I hope this poor girl makes a good recovery and the culprit is brought to justice, the same as I would if it was a male victim.

Graham

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This wouldn't have happened if the OP hadn't highlighted gender in the thread title.

It's only inflammatory to an overly sensitive subsection of the population.

Best of luck to the young woman, speedy recovery.

mattser

Graham wrote: »

What nonsense. It's only inflammatory to an overly sensitive subsection of the population.

Best of luck to the young woman, speedy recovery.

Exactly. Things seriously derailed on here. Best of luck to the girl and her family, indeed.

Summer wind

It's absolutely horrific to even think about what poor Kym went through. It's as if whoever attacked her really did their best to kill her. It's really frightening to think that person or persons who attacked her are still out there walking around. I hope Kym recovers physically very soon. Her mental recovery will take a lot longer though. Best wishes to her.

D0NNELLY

Female and student in the title.. no wonder there's uproar.

Unconscious bias indeed.

Grandeeod

sullivlo wrote: »

Don't see why her gender is relevant to the story. It would be horrific for it to happen to anyone, regardless of their gender.

It was discussed at length on the radio yesterday. Local councillors were all over the story promising changes. Changes that they promised years ago when they were elected.

There's not a lot else to discuss. It's in the hands of the Gardai now, and hopefully incidents like this don't happen again.

Seriously, why have you made a specific point about gender? This thread could have been about discussing the inccident until you brought a complete ****storm down on it.

"Female student beaten up in Maynooth."

What's wrong with that title? Its a fact.

PC BS and thanked by 50 odd other PC keyboard warriors just out of nappies or forgot they wore them.

osarusan

Grandeeod wrote: »

PC BS and thanked by 50 odd other PC keyboard warriors just out of nappies or forgot they wore them.

Some of the posters who thanked the post will be outraged by that description:pac:

I don't think there is anything wrong with the thread title.

I do think the posts about how a man would have been less affected by it are unfair, and probably what started the diversion.

But I wish people would just shut about it now.

Grandeeod

Del.Monte wrote: »

I didn't highlight the victim's gender to provoke people, but I do regard it as particularly cowardly to attack women, old people or children. That said, I was brought up with the maxim 'do unto others as you would have them do to you', so I am appalled by anybody attacking anybody regardless of their sex.

You did nothing wrong. You are simply a victim of the new way of doing things. Funnily enough the general population in here rediculing you have no problem describing what was done to them sexually or what they did to another sexually be they any gender. You know the way it is in AHs. You can fook a horse, sheep, cow, man or women, but never ever mention gender or sexual orientation.

eviltwin

osarusan wrote: »

Some of the posters who thanked the post will be outraged by that description:pac:

I don't think there is anything wrong with the thread title.

I do think the posts about how a man would have been less affected by it are unfair, and probably what started the diversion.

But I wish people would just shut about it now.

This is AH. A student having the crap beaten out of them is bad but referring to the victim by his or her gender is worse.

Grandeeod

osarusan wrote: »

Some of the posters who thanked the post will be outraged by that description:pac:

I don't care!:D

kittensmittens

osarusan wrote: »

Some of the posters who thanked the post will be outraged by that description:pac:

I don't think there is anything wrong with the thread title.

I do think the posts about how a man would have been less affected by it are unfair, and probably what started the diversion.

But I wish people would just shut about it now.

My take on the majority of those posts wasn't that if would "affect" a man any different.....it wouldn't. and anyone without an agenda or massive chip or their shoulder would clearly know that(thats why I didnt bother replying to any of them and none of this is directed at you btw ).

Broken eye sockets and jaws know no gender.

What I took them to mean was that a man might have a better chance in a similar attack.
That poor girl hadn't a chance given her size and stature.
I think ANYONE with an iota of common sense can see the difference.

Del.Monte

Grandeeod wrote: »

You did nothing wrong. You are simply a victim of the new way of doing things. Funnily enough the general population in here rediculing you have no problem describing what was done to them sexually or what they did to another sexually be they any gender. You know the way it is in AHs. You can fook a horse, sheep, cow, man or women, but never ever mention gender or sexual orientation.

I know, I know - I'm just back from a week long ban on the Radio forum for being 'antediluvian' on the Off the Ball thread of all things.

tayto lover

An attacker would in my opinion be a lot less likely to attempt to attack a 6 ft male than he would be to attack a 5 ft 3 ins female.
Of course gender matters.

Grayson

The flying mouse wrote: »

My daughter goes to Maynooth college, she telling me tonight there is a lot of scared folks around, including her.

She's fine. I've lived in maynooth for 20 years and it's one of the safest places you can imagine.

Spanish Eyes

Join the dots folks.

Seems the perp was on the bus with her according to reports. Digruntled lover/bf or something who knows?

Bet this will be done and dusted within a week. Person got off bus and was going to College there too obviously, otherwise why travel to Maynooth from Monaghan on a private bus. But there may be more to the story.

I don't think it was random at all. But what do I know.

Mods, if you feel my comments are not within the charter, delete. thanks.