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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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    #1322
    everlast75
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    dam099 wrote: »
    I think its the other way, he has laid the groundwork for a no vote i.e. "What Trump did was high crimes but the trial is unconstitutional so unfortunately I have to acquit him on a technicality."

    Not to forget that the reason Trump's trial was after he was no longer president is because McConnell delayed the vote while he was President


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    #1323
    everlast75
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    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1359584571398922244?s=19

    This is absolutely spot on.

    Many moons ago on another thread, when Trump called the media the enemy of the people and pipe bombs were sent, many argued then that Trump "actually said" the *fake* media were the enemy of the people, that somehow that was different and therefore he wasn't responsible.

    We argued that his supporters aren't going to make that differentiation and he should stop with this vitriolic language.

    This whole event was on the cards for years.

    Trump said outrageous stuff and his supporters parsed words and made excuses.

    Let's be honest. If they had gotten Pelosi or Pence, it is highly likely that they would have been injured or worse.

    The idea that there was a violent mob attacking the Capitol building while they were inside, having to be protected by police is bad enough mind you.

    Then you have Trump's response or lack thereof.

    All of it points to someone who, when he couldn't remain in power, despite being voted out, by democratic means, sought to extort, bribe, threaten and bully his way into winning - all against the will of the people who make that decision.

    Then, when it was clear the gig was up, he said "**** you", to Congress, to the people who voted against him, to the U S as a whole and to those who appeared to cheer him on Jan 6th. He wound them up, and let them go and has left them twisting in the wind. Their lives ruined, while he hides away in Florida, playing pretend President.

    An absolute joke of a man.


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    #1324
    Dillonb3
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    Saw it mentioned on another forum but it goes to show how important it was to get Warnock and Ossof elected. If either lost and Mitch still had senate control, all of this evidence would've been buried


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    #1325
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    There is an element of comedy in relation to where all the new footage came from. It was primarily stuff that came from parler. The mix of arrogance and stupidity that gave those people the impression that it would not be used against them in the future. Great to see it.


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    #1326
    Penn
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    Not to forget that the reason Trump's trial was after he was no longer president is because McConnell delayed the vote while he was President

    Trump's own lawyers were saying the impeachment is unconstitutional because he's no longer President, while also saying they should have waited longer to impeach because there's still investigations on-going.

    Such nonsense....


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    #1327
    dam099
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    Not to forget that the reason Trump's trial was after he was no longer president is because McConnell delayed the vote while he was President

    If Trump was even half as devious as McConnell he would probably be in his second term now.


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    #1328
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1359695883906998277?s=19

    I've no words. If you gave them the chance, they would drive you insane with their bullsh!t..


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    #1329
    everlast75
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1359695883906998277?s=19

    I've no words. If you gave them the chance, they would drive you insane with their bullsh!t..

    Lol.

    The recounting of the facts is absurd, but inciting a riot is acceptable.

    There isn't a place far enough away where he should **** off to.


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    #1330
    randd1
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    Lol.

    The recounting of the facts is absurd, but inciting a riot is acceptable.

    There isn't a place far enough away where he should **** off to.

    I'd love to know what Trump et al have on him.


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    #1331
    ohnonotgmail
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    randd1 wrote: »
    I'd love to know what Trump et al have on him.

    I thought that was obvious?


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    #1332
    TheIrishGrover
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    Y'know, one of my favourite shows was The West Wing. I watched it as it was airing. Sure, it was unrealistically optimistic but it was enjoyable. The only criticism I had with the show was that, in general, the GOP was basically eeeeeevil. They practically had pointy mustaches that they would twirl (There were a few decent characters, especially the very likeable Arnie Vinnick in the last season who was actually initially intended to continue with the show before it was cancelled).

    Anyway, that was my biggest criticism of the show. I have recently re-watched it (Finished only last week) and the way the GOP is acting now is 10 times worse than even the most stereotypical hateful GOP representation on the show. It's shocking how much it has descended into this caricature of what they once were.

    I cannot understand this glee at "getting away with it" or this open-armed embracing of ignorance and rejection of science. Surely not EVERY member of the GOP is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.... Surely?


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    #1333
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    Lol.

    The recounting of the facts is absurd, but inciting a riot is acceptable.

    There isn't a place far enough away where he should **** off to.

    Here is the full clip with the above quote.. it doesn't get any better!! Can't embed..

    https://youtu.be/VhND_L6HKm0

    Basically, there was no incitement in the speech on the 6th, even if there was the Proud Boys etc had already planned their violence ergo he still isn't guilty of incitement.


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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    Here is the full clip with the above quote.. it doesn't get any better!! Can't embed..

    https://youtu.be/VhND_L6HKm0

    Basically, there was no incitement in the speech on the 6th, even if there was the Proud Boys etc had already planned their violence ergo he still isn't guilty of incitement.

    The impeachment argument is "Looney Tunes"? I had no idea this woman was going to testify.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxF_Esi8MU


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    #1335
    Dillonb3
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1359695883906998277?s=19

    I've no words. If you gave them the chance, they would drive you insane with their bullsh!t..

    He was on one of the fox news shows last night trying to blame Pelosi.


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    #1336
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The impeachment argument is "Looney Tunes"? I had no idea this woman was going to testify.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxF_Esi8MU

    😂😂 Who thought you could try to overthrow a government based off a big lie and not get maxed!!!

    Just on her looney status, I seen follow up posts about her, supposedly she wasn't even maced, she's holding a towel and in the towel there is "something" white, the suggestion is that it is an onion..


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    #1337
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    Dillonb3 wrote: »
    He was on one of the fox news shows last night trying to blame Pelosi.

    Yeah, that's in the youtube link.. basically saying because the case put forward for everyone knowing there was gonna be trouble, well then so should Nancy ergo fault lays with her, but zero with Trump who we know helped with the changing of the protest plans so people could literally make there way to the Capitol, no cause and effect to be seen here move along down looney tunes Rd..


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    #1338
    frag420
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    Many were positing that perhaps Trump may start his own party causing a split in the GOP!!

    It’s happening but not as we thought...

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/dozens-former-republican-officials-talks-form-anti-trump-party?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Dozens of former Republican officials who view the party as unwilling to stand up to Donald Trump and his attempts to undermine US democracy are in talks to form a centre-right breakaway party, four people involved in the discussions have said.

    The early stage discussions include former elected Republicans, former officials in the Republican administrations of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, George W Bush and Trump, ex-Republican ambassadors and Republican strategists, the people involved told Reuters.

    Donald Trump impeachment trial: what you need to know

    More than 120 of them held a Zoom call last Friday to discuss the breakaway group, which would run on a platform of “principled conservatism”, including adherence to the constitution and the rule of law – ideas they say have been trashed by Trump.


    ***Using phone so hope the link shows proper***


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    #1339
    everlast75
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    A very valid point

    https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1359853113616850950?s=19


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    #1340
    duploelabs
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    Just watched episode one of the BBC's 'Trump takes on the world'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000s5zl/trump-takes-on-the-world-series-1-episode-1
    which was mentioned earlier in this thread, it's truly jaw-dropping stuff


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    #1341
    Professor Moriarty
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    frag420 wrote: »
    Many were positing that perhaps Trump may start his own party causing a split in the GOP!!

    It’s happening but not as we thought...

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/dozens-former-republican-officials-talks-form-anti-trump-party?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Dozens of former Republican officials who view the party as unwilling to stand up to Donald Trump and his attempts to undermine US democracy are in talks to form a centre-right breakaway party, four people involved in the discussions have said.

    The early stage discussions include former elected Republicans, former officials in the Republican administrations of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, George W Bush and Trump, ex-Republican ambassadors and Republican strategists, the people involved told Reuters.

    Donald Trump impeachment trial: what you need to know

    More than 120 of them held a Zoom call last Friday to discuss the breakaway group, which would run on a platform of “principled conservatism”, including adherence to the constitution and the rule of law – ideas they say have been trashed by Trump.


    ***Using phone so hope the link shows proper***

    'Properly'


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    #1342
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    "40 Percent of U.S. COVID Deaths Could Have Been Averted If It Weren't for Trump."

    https://www.newsweek.com/40-percent-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-averted-if-it-werent-trump-report-1568403
    Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanizing the US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation

    The study itself.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32545-9/fulltext

    Meanwhile, Trumpists in the Biden thread are complaining that Biden hasn't ended the pandemic yet and will put their fingers in their ears for this report.


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    #1343
    extra gravy
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    TheIrishGrover wrote: »
    I cannot understand this glee at "getting away with it" or this open-armed embracing of ignorance and rejection of science. Surely not EVERY member of the GOP is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator.... Surely?

    They're embracing ignorance and rejection of science because their base does. All they care about is themselves and getting elected, they have no character or substance. The pride that someone like Biden takes in public service is non-existent with them.


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    #1344
    francois
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    duploelabs wrote: »
    Just watched episode one of the BBC's 'Trump takes on the world'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000s5zl/trump-takes-on-the-world-series-1-episode-1
    which was mentioned earlier in this thread, it's truly jaw-dropping stuff

    Was excellent-The man really is thick as 2 short planks


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    #1345
    conorhal
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    "40 Percent of U.S. COVID Deaths Could Have Been Averted If It Weren't for Trump."

    https://www.newsweek.com/40-percent-us-covid-deaths-could-have-been-averted-if-it-werent-trump-report-1568403



    The study itself.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32545-9/fulltext

    Meanwhile, Trumpists in the Biden thread are complaining that Biden hasn't ended the pandemic yet and will put their fingers in their ears for this report.


    You must be forgetting Pelosi telling people to stop calling Covid the China virus and telling people to go down to Chinatown and hug people.
    I'm sure Democrat governers like Cuomo moving covid cases INTO old folks homes as a policy did nothing to contribute to death rates either.
    People seem to forget that the states individually manage their own policy on Covid.


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    #1346
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    conorhal wrote: »
    You must be forgetting Pelosi telling people to stop calling Covid the China virus and telling people to go down to Chinatown and hug people.

    Got a source for Pelosi encouraging people to hug each other?
    conorhal wrote: »
    I'm sure Democrat governers like Cuomo moving covid cases INTO old folks homes as a policy did nothing to contribute to death rates either.

    Yes, he is also partly responsible for the rising Covid deaths in NYC and should be held accountable for it. But you cannot believe that he is responsible for more deaths in NYC without also believing that Trump is responsible for more deaths in American as a whole.
    conorhal wrote: »
    People seem to forget that the states individually manage their own policy on Covid.

    No, people are aware of that. If you believe that that sentence suggests Trump cannot be considered accountable for America's Covid response then that alone demonstrates that you did not read this study.


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    #1347
    Smee_Again
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    conorhal wrote: »
    You must be forgetting Pelosi telling people to stop calling Covid the China virus and telling people to go down to Chinatown and hug people.
    Source?
    I'm sure Democrat governers like Cuomo moving covid cases INTO old folks homes as a policy did nothing to contribute to death rates either.
    People seem to forget that the states individually manage their own policy on Covid.

    State's are responsible for their own response but that response can be and was hampered by the actions and inactions of Trump.


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    #1348
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    duploelabs wrote: »
    Just watched episode one of the BBC's 'Trump takes on the world'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000s5zl/trump-takes-on-the-world-series-1-episode-1
    which was mentioned earlier in this thread, it's truly jaw-dropping stuff

    The first 10 mins or so in that is pretty telling of how trump was viewed.. the analogy of "taking a lady to dance in a ballroom" and "what is this creature" in front of us..

    Also, did anyone spot when he was on the white podium with trudeau? He didn't walk down the ramp, he completely steps off the thing.. Has he a problem/fear of ramps? Lol


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    #1349
    TheIrishGrover
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    ...... Also, did anyone spot when he was on the white podium with trudeau? He didn't walk down the ramp, he completely steps off the thing.. Has he a problem/fear of ramps? Lol

    It's his heel spurs.:) Y'know, that's what kept him from being a hero in Vietnam. That's why he can sh*t all over actual veterans. 'cos he's actually a hero.


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    #1350
    everlast75
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    conorhal wrote: »
    You must be forgetting Pelosi telling people to stop calling Covid the China virus and telling people to go down to Chinatown and hug people.
    I'm sure Democrat governers like Cuomo moving covid cases INTO old folks homes as a policy did nothing to contribute to death rates either.
    People seem to forget that the states individually manage their own policy on Covid.

    Another one for the "swing and a miss" board folks...


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    #1351
    everlast75
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    Quite the metaphor for his presidency...

    https://twitter.com/NBCPhiladelphia/status/1359666327380766722?s=20


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